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"TRUTH IN RHYTHM" ~ Lisa Coleman (Prince) 3 Part Interview

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Reply #1 posted 05/15/19 10:39am

violetcrush

Thanks for posting! Can’t wait to listen to this extensive interview!! LOVE Lisa smile
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Reply #2 posted 05/15/19 11:54am

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listening 2 this now

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the m
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Reply #3 posted 05/15/19 12:04pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



listening 2 this now


Started the 1st part, but I’m at work, so have to wait. Base on the first 20 min and the total length I’m really looking forward to it!! Lots of great detail.
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Reply #4 posted 05/15/19 8:07pm

Shockadelica9

From listening to this interview and reading kims book its really disheartening to hear stories of him appearing to be a chauvinist pig
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Reply #5 posted 05/16/19 6:03am

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I loved this interview,,,the end is heartbreaking ...He just wanted to be loved and you hd to prove it

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Reply #6 posted 05/16/19 1:45pm

violetcrush

Shockadelica9 said:

From listening to this interview and reading kims book its really disheartening to hear stories of him appearing to be a chauvinist pig

I think much of that was what he was exposed to growing up and in his culture. Women had a major uphill battle, especially in the entertainment industry, to be taken seriously and not objectified. The way the women were portrayed in PR was very much how it was - even though Prince tried to deny that. It seems his Dad also did not provide a good example of how to treat women.
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Lisa had it better than Gayle though. At least she didn’t get his tongue down her throat on stage...although some women may have been okay with that biggrin
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I loved the interview. Most of it I’d already read about, but I had never heard the story about Prince and Morris making her go lingerie shopping and having to model the outfits for them. Ugghhh!!! SOOOO sexist confused
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I love this guy’s interview style - he takes it slow and allows enough time for more detailed answers. He let Lisa stretch out and take her time. Only wish he would have asked more questions about the “magic trio” recordings of Power Fantastic and Sometimes It Snows In April, and the incident that caused her and Wendy to quit prior to the Parade tour.
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Reply #7 posted 05/16/19 1:59pm

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80tomato said:

I loved this interview,,,the end is heartbreaking ...He just wanted to be loved and you hd to prove it


So many facets of one’s emotional health tie back to childhood and family structure. He wanted to be loved but never trusted anyone enough to have a truly loving relationship. Always had that wall up. Very sad. sad
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Reply #8 posted 05/16/19 8:13pm

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I love Lisa & this interview.......

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #9 posted 05/16/19 9:23pm

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Shockadelica9 said:

From listening to this interview and reading kims book its really disheartening to hear stories of him appearing to be a chauvinist pig

We all knew he was a playboy and wasn't faithful in relationships. Nothing new. He also showcased female musicians throughout his career from the beginning, so say what you want about his philandering personal ways, but he respected women on a professional level.
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Reply #10 posted 05/16/19 9:33pm

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endiadj said:

Shockadelica9 said:

From listening to this interview and reading kims book its really disheartening to hear stories of him appearing to be a chauvinist pig

We all knew he was a playboy and wasn't faithful in relationships. Nothing new. He also showcased female musicians throughout his career from the beginning, so say what you want about his philandering personal ways, but he respected women on a professional level.

I'm not referring to him philandering I'm referring to him saying sexist remarks like the ones lisa mentions in this interview
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Reply #11 posted 05/17/19 5:10am

violetcrush

Shockadelica9 said:

endiadj said:


We all knew he was a playboy and wasn't faithful in relationships. Nothing new. He also showcased female musicians throughout his career from the beginning, so say what you want about his philandering personal ways, but he respected women on a professional level.

I'm not referring to him philandering I'm referring to him saying sexist remarks like the ones lisa mentions in this interview

Yes, it is very strange how he seemed to have a sexist mindset, but then also worked with, and helped many women with music - although many were also women with whom he had personal relationships. I winder how many of them, especially in earlier years, did not have a personal /sexual relationship with him (except Wendy and Lisa of course)?
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Reply #12 posted 05/17/19 6:17am

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Lisa is the best. I hope she writes a book someday.

3121... Don't U Wanna Come?
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Reply #13 posted 05/17/19 7:38am

80tomato

yes , it bothered me the way he fired Lisa and Wendy talking about crotchless panties etc and how humiliated Lisa must have felt shopping for lingerie with Prince and Morris..would he have gotten away with making the guys wear gstrings as he wore biggrin

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Reply #14 posted 05/17/19 8:16am

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yes , it bothered me the way he fired Lisa and Wendy talking about crotchless panties etc and how humiliated Lisa must have felt shopping for lingerie with Prince and Morris..would he have gotten away with making the guys wear gstrings as he wore biggrin

Andre Cymone at times dressed just as provocative as Prince(r.i.p.) with sometimes no underwear.

And Prince(r.i.p.) was right about the "crotchless panties" the next band after The Revolution Sheila E's wardrobe left little to the imagination. Cat's body was on display on the SOTT & Lovesexy tours. So he did go in a more sexually appealing direction & it WORKED!

BTW: I still LOVE Lisa & she will ALWAYS remain my favorite Revolution member. Because she comes off as very humble and not a chatterbox.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #15 posted 05/17/19 9:06am

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80tomato said:


yes , it bothered me the way he fired Lisa and Wendy talking about crotchless panties etc and how humiliated Lisa must have felt shopping for lingerie with Prince and Morris..would he have gotten away with making the guys wear gstrings as he wore biggrin





Andre Cymone at times dressed just as provocative as Prince(r.i.p.) with sometimes no underwear.



And Prince(r.i.p.) was right about the "crotchless panties" the next band after The Revolution Sheila E's wardrobe left little to the imagination. Cat's body was on display on the SOTT & Lovesexy tours. So he did go in a more sexually appealing direction & it WORKED!




BTW: I still LOVE Lisa & she will ALWAYS remain my favorite Revolution member. Because she comes off as very humble and not a chatterbox.


Lisa AND Wendy are both smart and talented women. Wendy’s outgoing and assertive personality was part of her appeal to Prince - along with her beautiful guitar playing. Being comfortable speaking out does not equate to being a chatterbox, especially when what you have to say is smart and interesting. To me, a “chatterbox” is someone who continuously talks but communicates nonsense or nothing of interest.
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Yes, no doubt Prince added the “hoochie-mama” outfits and sexual scenarios on SOTT and LoveSexy tours, and he knew Wendy and Lisa would never have gone for that. However, they could have been part of the band without playing the sexual roles. Lisa stated that he decided “I have these new friends and they are just as funky and cool”, so he cleared house and started over (except for Matt). Even though Prince had Cat and Sheila doing the “sex pot” thing on stage I think Cat’s dance moves and stage presence gave her a “tougher” image, and Sheila’s drumming made it more acceptable - like, yeah I’m wearing these skimpy outfits, but I’m also a bad-ass drummer.
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It’s interesting that Cat’s SOTT peach dress was originally made for Susannah. Guessing he was going to try to fit her in as well before she left.
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Reply #16 posted 05/17/19 9:33am

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I think Prince struggled in his younger years with how he treated both men & women. I think it stemmed from his childhood and subconsciously he was protecting his own feelings. Seemed he struggled with relationships period but he came a long way as he matured as we all do.
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Reply #17 posted 05/17/19 10:19am

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RJP1205 said:

I think Prince struggled in his younger years with how he treated both men & women. I think it stemmed from his childhood and subconsciously he was protecting his own feelings. Seemed he struggled with relationships period but he came a long way as he matured as we all do.

Yes, I had mentioned this in an earlier post - that early childhood family dynamic and environment can create emotional baggage that affects future relationships of any kind. This was most likely the case with Prince.
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No doubt as he matured and grew emotionally he was able to improve some things, but I don’t think his “wall” ever fully came down - even though he sang about that in his song “Revelation” -“there’s a door you can walk through where there used to be a wall..”.
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Reply #18 posted 05/17/19 10:22am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Andre Cymone at times dressed just as provocative as Prince(r.i.p.) with sometimes no underwear.

And Prince(r.i.p.) was right about the "crotchless panties" the next band after The Revolution Sheila E's wardrobe left little to the imagination. Cat's body was on display on the SOTT & Lovesexy tours. So he did go in a more sexually appealing direction & it WORKED!

BTW: I still LOVE Lisa & she will ALWAYS remain my favorite Revolution member. Because she comes off as very humble and not a chatterbox.

Lisa AND Wendy are both smart and talented women. Wendy’s outgoing and assertive personality was part of her appeal to Prince - along with her beautiful guitar playing. Being comfortable speaking out does not equate to being a chatterbox, especially when what you have to say is smart and interesting. To me, a “chatterbox” is someone who continuously talks but communicates nonsense or nothing of interest. * Yes, no doubt Prince added the “hoochie-mama” outfits and sexual scenarios on SOTT and LoveSexy tours, and he knew Wendy and Lisa would never have gone for that. However, they could have been part of the band without playing the sexual roles. Lisa stated that he decided “I have these new friends and they are just as funky and cool”, so he cleared house and started over (except for Matt). Even though Prince had Cat and Sheila doing the “sex pot” thing on stage I think Cat’s dance moves and stage presence gave her a “tougher” image, and Sheila’s drumming made it more acceptable - like, yeah I’m wearing these skimpy outfits, but I’m also a bad-ass drummer. * It’s interesting that Cat’s SOTT peach dress was originally made for Susannah. Guessing he was going to try to fit her in as well before she left.

rolleyes

Eye no!'

U thoroughly & repeatedly told me this AGAIN, a few months ago in ANOTHER thread. I do agree with what U said. But I've always preferred Lisa's quiet demeanor, haunting piano chords,sexy background vocals & sarcastic personality. Plus the way she blew her hair. I really get her.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
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Reply #19 posted 05/17/19 10:40am

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violetcrush said:

RJP1205 said:

I think Prince struggled in his younger years with how he treated both men & women. I think it stemmed from his childhood and subconsciously he was protecting his own feelings. Seemed he struggled with relationships period but he came a long way as he matured as we all do.

Yes, I had mentioned this in an earlier post - that early childhood family dynamic and environment can create emotional baggage that affects future relationships of any kind. This was most likely the case with Prince.
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No doubt as he matured and grew emotionally he was able to improve some things, but I don’t think his “wall” ever fully came down - even though he sang about that in his song “Revelation” -“there’s a door you can walk through where there used to be a wall..”.
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Yes, that song is breakdown. Even at his worst he couldn't have been so bad, and maybe people saw through it, because his former associates still speak so highly of him. 💜
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Reply #20 posted 05/17/19 10:50am

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RJP1205 said:

violetcrush said:


Yes, I had mentioned this in an earlier post - that early childhood family dynamic and environment can create emotional baggage that affects future relationships of any kind. This was most likely the case with Prince.
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No doubt as he matured and grew emotionally he was able to improve some things, but I don’t think his “wall” ever fully came down - even though he sang about that in his song “Revelation” -“there’s a door you can walk through where there used to be a wall..”.
[Edited 5/17/19 10:20am]

Yes, that song is breakdown. Even at his worst he couldn't have been so bad, and maybe people saw through it, because his former associates still speak so highly of him. 💜

Oh right, whoops!! I meant Breakdown. Such a heartfelt and sad song. I think it follows his pattern of sharing his heart and soul in his music, but not in life situations.
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It seems he had good days and bad days in his personal life. Friends, girlfriends and associates have said that they never knew which “guy” they were going get on a day to day basis. This has been a pretty consistent description throughout the years.
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Reply #21 posted 05/17/19 11:05am

RJP1205

I'll probably get snipped for off topic but along the same lines and working for the Dept of Social Services...I believe we could change the world with how we treat children. So many people treat children as if they don't have feelings or their feelings don't matter... when in truth we should be boosting their confidence, being examples of love and how to treat others. If you want to make a difference... give your time and love to a child.
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Reply #22 posted 05/17/19 5:19pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: Lisa AND Wendy are both smart and talented women. Wendy’s outgoing and assertive personality was part of her appeal to Prince - along with her beautiful guitar playing. Being comfortable speaking out does not equate to being a chatterbox, especially when what you have to say is smart and interesting. To me, a “chatterbox” is someone who continuously talks but communicates nonsense or nothing of interest. * Yes, no doubt Prince added the “hoochie-mama” outfits and sexual scenarios on SOTT and LoveSexy tours, and he knew Wendy and Lisa would never have gone for that. However, they could have been part of the band without playing the sexual roles. Lisa stated that he decided “I have these new friends and they are just as funky and cool”, so he cleared house and started over (except for Matt). Even though Prince had Cat and Sheila doing the “sex pot” thing on stage I think Cat’s dance moves and stage presence gave her a “tougher” image, and Sheila’s drumming made it more acceptable - like, yeah I’m wearing these skimpy outfits, but I’m also a bad-ass drummer. * It’s interesting that Cat’s SOTT peach dress was originally made for Susannah. Guessing he was going to try to fit her in as well before she left.

rolleyes

Eye no!'

U thoroughly & repeatedly told me this AGAIN, a few months ago in ANOTHER thread. I do agree with what U said. But I've always preferred Lisa's quiet demeanor, haunting piano chords,sexy background vocals & sarcastic personality. Plus the way she blew her hair. I really get her.

Okay, fair enough, but I figured your use of the word "chatterbox" - which you've also used before - was again a dig toward Wendy, so I was just adding my 2 cents about how that term is seen as quite negative in general. I really like her enthusiasm, especially when talking about music and her time with Prince.

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I love Lisa. I love Wendy. I love their music together and I loved them as a couple. It was a good mix and balance. Interestingly, if you watch some of the interviews they did in 1989/1990 on YT, Lisa talks much more than Wendy smile

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Reply #23 posted 05/17/19 5:24pm

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RJP1205 said:

I'll probably get snipped for off topic but along the same lines and working for the Dept of Social Services...I believe we could change the world with how we treat children. So many people treat children as if they don't have feelings or their feelings don't matter... when in truth we should be boosting their confidence, being examples of love and how to treat others. If you want to make a difference... give your time and love to a child. [Edited 5/17/19 11:05am]

You are a THOUSAND percent correct on your statement above. I work with elementary age kids, and it has become very easy to recognize which ones have a positive, loving and nurturing environment at home, and which ones do not.

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Birth to age 5 yrs is a crucial time, and a dysfunctional, unloving and/or abusive environment can have negative affects which last a lifetime.

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