PeteSilas said:

compared to how fanatical she got, he probably woulda killed herself over that one. she was gorgeous but I never understood any of the fan's fawning over her, she had no talent. I don't even get why Prince liked women with that little to offer upstairs, I mean, a beauty is great but what do you do when you're not fucking? Not just vanity, mayte was dumb as a post too.

Because it was easier to control them.

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tevin had TWO platinum albums and was a teen idol.If that's not successful I don't know what else is.

Jerome co-starring in a movie with a superstar in UTCM, toured upfront with Prince on two tours & danced with Janet Jackson. That's pretty successful to me. U said "Prince never had any intention of making anyone a star after The Time left him". Thats not accurate.

NOONE knew who Kristen Scott Thomas was before UTCM.

U need to quit while U ahead. U have dug yourself so far in the ditch already. U just using more excuses to put Prince's character down. I WON'T stand for it!

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I think Pete was referring more to the longevity of the associates' careers - not their popularity while working with Prince.

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Tevin was a teen idol?? Was he strictly R&B, because I don't remember him being a big name through the 90's.

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Jerome co-starrred in UTCM, but remember, the film flopped at the box office. I don't recall him moving on to bigger celebrity status after that. I really like Jerome, and he was great with Morris in PR, and fun to watch in UTCM, but he is not a musician or actor, and he hasn't had a career as such.

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Kristin Scott Thomas was only 19 when she did UTCM - yes it was her first feature film, and I seriously doubt it helped her acting career move forward. The critics hated the movie and she got poor reviews. I would guess it took her awhile to build her career from that point. Her next larger role in a feature film didn't happen until 1994 with Four Wedding's And A Funeral (one of my favorite films), and then she was off and running. Prince had absolutely nothing to do with her going on to win the Academy Award for The English Patient (an amazing film) - she did that on her own and with her own merits. That being said, I'm sure doing UTCM was a good experience for her, and she learned from it.

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Carmen E - don't think there is really much to say on this one. The kind of celebrity that she has had (Playboy

spreads, reality shows, tabloid marriages n with it, and to keep herself in the "celebrity of sorts" mix.

Tevin's debut single in 1991 "Tell Me What You Want Me To Do" from his debut album went all the way to number 6 on Billboard Hot 100 . The Prince penned "Round & Round" went to number 12. On his second DOUBLE platinum album in 1993 both singles "Can We Talk" & "I'm Ready" hit #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. So YES he was a big name in the 90's and this was ALL by the age of 16. And yes he was a teen idol. I was there I saw it ALL in person. He also WAS NOT a crack addict!

Any actor that gets a co-starring role in a motion picture whether it flops or not is a MAJOR achievement. Jerome(who had two) also danced with Janet Jackson on her videos and The Granmmy's. So if he did nothing else it doesn't really matter. That's not including his work with The Time.

Carmen has done WAY more than "Playboy spreads,reality shows, & tabloid marriages". Which Included countless motion pictures,tv shows, hosting various shows on MTV and being a bonafied sex symbol. All starting with her association with Prince.

As far as Kristin, Every actor starts somewhere. Of course the first gig doesn't have to be a box office smash. But it gets them or us noticed. Which all led to her Academy Award.

All of U kill me with how U try to downplay anyones association with Prince. I doubt any of U can do better. Even with Prince's magical ,devine touch.

His magical and divine touch only got them so far, until he cut them out of his life. He lured them in by making all kinds of promises, then when he was done with them he was done and never looked back.

PennyPurple said:

His magical and divine touch only got them so far, until he cut them out of his life. He lured them in by making all kinds of promises, then when he was done with them he was done and never looked back.

ya, that was one of his more negative aspects, thank god he had plenty of positive ones that we never rarely heard about when he was alive.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

compared to how fanatical she got, he probably woulda killed herself over that one. she was gorgeous but I never understood any of the fan's fawning over her, she had no talent. I don't even get why Prince liked women with that little to offer upstairs, I mean, a beauty is great but what do you do when you're not fucking? Not just vanity, mayte was dumb as a post too.

Because it was easier to control them.

of course i know that but he was a very intelligent guy, who want a functional retard around with that kind of brain? Smart people are often insufferable because they don't like being around average people. Maybe he really was a idiot savant as many have implied.

did you just wake up? good evening chocolate.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

I think Pete was referring more to the longevity of the associates' careers - not their popularity while working with Prince.

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Tevin was a teen idol?? Was he strictly R&B, because I don't remember him being a big name through the 90's.

*

Jerome co-starrred in UTCM, but remember, the film flopped at the box office. I don't recall him moving on to bigger celebrity status after that. I really like Jerome, and he was great with Morris in PR, and fun to watch in UTCM, but he is not a musician or actor, and he hasn't had a career as such.

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Kristin Scott Thomas was only 19 when she did UTCM - yes it was her first feature film, and I seriously doubt it helped her acting career move forward. The critics hated the movie and she got poor reviews. I would guess it took her awhile to build her career from that point. Her next larger role in a feature film didn't happen until 1994 with Four Wedding's And A Funeral (one of my favorite films), and then she was off and running. Prince had absolutely nothing to do with her going on to win the Academy Award for The English Patient (an amazing film) - she did that on her own and with her own merits. That being said, I'm sure doing UTCM was a good experience for her, and she learned from it.

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Carmen E - don't think there is really much to say on this one. The kind of celebrity that she has had (Playboy

spreads, reality shows, tabloid marriages n with it, and to keep herself in the "celebrity of sorts" mix.

Tevin's debut single in 1991 "Tell Me What You Want Me To Do" from his debut album went all the way to number 6 on Billboard Hot 100 . The Prince penned "Round & Round" went to number 12. On his second DOUBLE platinum album in 1993 both singles "Can We Talk" & "I'm Ready" hit #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. So YES he was a big name in the 90's and this was ALL by the age of 16. And yes he was a teen idol. I was there I saw it ALL in person. He also WAS NOT a crack addict!

Any actor that gets a co-starring role in a motion picture whether it flops or not is a MAJOR achievement. Jerome(who had two) also danced with Janet Jackson on her videos and The Granmmy's. So if he did nothing else it doesn't really matter. That's not including his work with The Time.

Carmen has done WAY more than "Playboy spreads,reality shows, & tabloid marriages". Which Included countless motion pictures,tv shows, hosting various shows on MTV and being a bonafied sex symbol. All starting with her association with Prince.

As far as Kristin, Every actor starts somewhere. Of course the first gig doesn't have to be a box office smash. But it gets them or us noticed. Which all led to her Academy Award.

All of U kill me with how U try to downplay anyones association with Prince. I doubt any of U can do better. Even with Prince's magical ,devine touch.

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

I think Pete was referring more to the longevity of the associates' careers - not their popularity while working with Prince.

*

Tevin was a teen idol?? Was he strictly R&B, because I don't remember him being a big name through the 90's.

*

Jerome co-starrred in UTCM, but remember, the film flopped at the box office. I don't recall him moving on to bigger celebrity status after that. I really like Jerome, and he was great with Morris in PR, and fun to watch in UTCM, but he is not a musician or actor, and he hasn't had a career as such.

*

Kristin Scott Thomas was only 19 when she did UTCM - yes it was her first feature film, and I seriously doubt it helped her acting career move forward. The critics hated the movie and she got poor reviews. I would guess it took her awhile to build her career from that point. Her next larger role in a feature film didn't happen until 1994 with Four Wedding's And A Funeral (one of my favorite films), and then she was off and running. Prince had absolutely nothing to do with her going on to win the Academy Award for The English Patient (an amazing film) - she did that on her own and with her own merits. That being said, I'm sure doing UTCM was a good experience for her, and she learned from it.

*

Carmen E - don't think there is really much to say on this one. The kind of celebrity that she has had (Playboy

spreads, reality shows, tabloid marriages n with it, and to keep herself in the "celebrity of sorts" mix.

Tevin's debut single in 1991 "Tell Me What You Want Me To Do" from his debut album went all the way to number 6 on Billboard Hot 100 . The Prince penned "Round & Round" went to number 12. On his second DOUBLE platinum album in 1993 both singles "Can We Talk" & "I'm Ready" hit #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. So YES he was a big name in the 90's and this was ALL by the age of 16. And yes he was a teen idol. I was there I saw it ALL in person. He also WAS NOT a crack addict!

Any actor that gets a co-starring role in a motion picture whether it flops or not is a MAJOR achievement. Jerome(who had two) also danced with Janet Jackson on her videos and The Granmmy's. So if he did nothing else it doesn't really matter. That's not including his work with The Time.

Carmen has done WAY more than "Playboy spreads,reality shows, & tabloid marriages". Which Included countless motion pictures,tv shows, hosting various shows on MTV and being a bonafied sex symbol. All starting with her association with Prince.

As far as Kristin, Every actor starts somewhere. Of course the first gig doesn't have to be a box office smash. But it gets them or us noticed. Which all led to her Academy Award.

All of U kill me with how U try to downplay anyones association with Prince. I doubt any of U can do better. Even with Prince's magical ,devine touch.

No one is trying to "downplay" their association with Prince.

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Regarding Kristin Scott Thomas - acting in a major role for a film that does not do well at the box office does not typically bode well for that actor being offered more of those roles - it's not a good association to have, especially for a beginner actor. Not always fair, but that is the reality.

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Jerome was given his parts in The Time, Purple Rain, and UTCM because he was a close friend to Prince, and he had great comedic chemistry with Morris. I think Prince was trying to recreate that comedic chemistry with him in UTCM, but it did not work quite the same way with him as it did with Morris in PR. Jerome will always be special for that time period, but he did not go on to have a career in music or acting.

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Carmen as a "sex symbol" celebrity - yes., I agree. Carmen as a serious actor and/or musician/singer - no. So, what Prince tried to do with her did not work. It also did not work for Anna Garcia or Robin Power. It worked for Vanity, becuase of the music, her stage presence, and touring with Prince as Vanity 6. It worked with Sheila, because of the music, and her talent on drums and with performing.

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I tink Prince wanted to do with the others the same thing that he was able to do with Vanity and Sheila, but those "projects" were not as successful, because the talent was not there and/or he did not have the time to focus on them. It's not a matter of "downplaying" their successes. Most did not make it too far - in terms of a serious career - when they left the Prince camp.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

Because it was easier to control them.

of course i know that but he was a very intelligent guy, who want a functional retard around with that kind of brain? Smart people are often insufferable because they don't like being around average people. Maybe he really was a idiot savant as many have implied.

I read somewhere that he wanted to date more intelligent women though I think he was seen as undatable by more discerning women. Too much philandering, ego etc.

PennyPurple said:

PeteSilas said:

compared to how fanatical she got, he probably woulda killed herself over that one. she was gorgeous but I never understood any of the fan's fawning over her, she had no talent. I don't even get why Prince liked women with that little to offer upstairs, I mean, a beauty is great but what do you do when you're not fucking? Not just vanity, mayte was dumb as a post too.

Because it was easier to control them.

Penny P, we actually agree on something here!!!!! Yes, many of them were very young, inexperienced, and not the "sharpest tools in the shed" so to speak. Very easy to control and manipulate with regard to what he wanted them to do musically or otherwise. Also, they wanted to be famous, which is a huge factor. Vanity, I think, out of all of them, spoke her mind and fought him on many things. However, ultimately she accepted his control over her for awhile. Most of them did. Even Susannah, who in my opinion, was the brightest bulb in the bunch, has stated she "felt owned by him". He HAD to have that control. Most of his friends and associates have discussed this over the years.

peggyon said:

PeteSilas said:

of course i know that but he was a very intelligent guy, who want a functional retard around with that kind of brain? Smart people are often insufferable because they don't like being around average people. Maybe he really was a idiot savant as many have implied.

I read somewhere that he wanted to date more intelligent women though I think he was seen as undatable by more discerning women. Too much philandering, ego etc.

I think he had the deeper, more intellectual relationship with Susannah. The songs during that time show that he was trying to "evolve" with more thought provoking lyrics and more complex musical arrangements too. He still wasn't monogamous - nor was he with any of the more serous relationships; however, I think it was much more than sexual for him - much more intense.

violetcrush said:

PennyPurple said:

Because it was easier to control them.

Penny P, we actually agree on something here!!!!! Yes, many of them were very young, inexperienced, and not the "sharpest tools in the shed" so to speak. Very easy to control and manipulate with regard to what he wanted them to do musically or otherwise. Also, they wanted to be famous, which is a huge factor. Vanity, I think, out of all of them, spoke her mind and fought him on many things. However, ultimately she accepted his control over her for awhile. Most of them did. Even Susannah, who in my opinion, was the brightest bulb in the bunch, has stated she "felt owned by him". He HAD to have that control. Most of his friends and associates have discussed this over the years.

I also do not think he could have handled a woman with her own career/obligations. However, the price he paid was settling for beautiful women who were not his peers intellectually/career-wise. Likely contributed to his rapid boredom with many of them.

I agree, I thought Susannah was articulate. Troy Beyer seemed smart as well.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Penny P, we actually agree on something here!!!!! Yes, many of them were very young, inexperienced, and not the "sharpest tools in the shed" so to speak. Very easy to control and manipulate with regard to what he wanted them to do musically or otherwise. Also, they wanted to be famous, which is a huge factor. Vanity, I think, out of all of them, spoke her mind and fought him on many things. However, ultimately she accepted his control over her for awhile. Most of them did. Even Susannah, who in my opinion, was the brightest bulb in the bunch, has stated she "felt owned by him". He HAD to have that control. Most of his friends and associates have discussed this over the years.

I also do not think he could have handled a woman with her own career/obligations. However, the price he paid was settling for beautiful women who were not his peers intellectually/career-wise. Likely contributed to his rapid boredom with many of them.

I agree, I thought Susannah was articulate. Troy Beyer seemed smart as well.

Yes, Susannah was smarter, more cultured, and had musical knowledge and knew the business more than the others. I think they just bonded in many ways, and he took inspirations and advice from her. She taught him things, as opposed to him teaching the others. Troy may have had a better head on her shoulders than some of the others, but I think he still "sexualized" her - based on the Sexy MF video. Per a discussion about that time period, she was very young and did not have the most stable upbringing. She said Prince gave her confidence and also encouraged her to go back to school to get her degree, which she did do.

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Your comment about his boredom with the various girls reminds me of his song "101", which I think was inspired by Susannah, as she had left not long before he recorded it - "Nothing on TV, my girlfriends bore me, they try to please me, but I need my baby. You and me, need to be together, physically. Why can't you come and see about me?"

[Edited 9/10/18 18:03pm]

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

I read somewhere that he wanted to date more intelligent women though I think he was seen as undatable by more discerning women. Too much philandering, ego etc.

I think he had the deeper, more intellectual relationship with Susannah. The songs during that time show that he was trying to "evolve" with more thought provoking lyrics and more complex musical arrangements too. He still wasn't monogamous - nor was he with any of the more serous relationships; however, I think it was much more than sexual for him - much more intense.

ya, she was an exception, i remember not believing that she was his girlfriend because she looked so plain, even ugly to me but it was true. Her and her sister looked like they fell on a curb when they were kid.

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

Penny P, we actually agree on something here!!!!! Yes, many of them were very young, inexperienced, and not the "sharpest tools in the shed" so to speak. Very easy to control and manipulate with regard to what he wanted them to do musically or otherwise. Also, they wanted to be famous, which is a huge factor. Vanity, I think, out of all of them, spoke her mind and fought him on many things. However, ultimately she accepted his control over her for awhile. Most of them did. Even Susannah, who in my opinion, was the brightest bulb in the bunch, has stated she "felt owned by him". He HAD to have that control. Most of his friends and associates have discussed this over the years.

I also do not think he could have handled a woman with her own career/obligations. However, the price he paid was settling for beautiful women who were not his peers intellectually/career-wise. Likely contributed to his rapid boredom with many of them.

I agree, I thought Susannah was articulate. Troy Beyer seemed smart as well.

ya, troy was pretty smart, i think she has some sort of advanced psychological degree now which was surprising, not on an intellect level but on a lifestyle level, after starfucking that kind of career would seem a bizarre detour. word was that Prince wrote Shockadelica for her "the girl must be a witch" was, as someone said, he thought she was witchy.

PeteSilas said:

well beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess, i've seen and heard plenty of her stuff. I thought she looked wierd, her sister was a little prettier, i don't think they were identical twins. neither one was gonna win any beauty contests though.

PeteSilas said:

PennyPurple said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

violetcrush said:

I think Pete was referring more to the longevity of the associates' careers - not their popularity while working with Prince.

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Tevin was a teen idol?? Was he strictly R&B, because I don't remember him being a big name through the 90's.

*

Jerome co-starrred in UTCM, but remember, the film flopped at the box office. I don't recall him moving on to bigger celebrity status after that. I really like Jerome, and he was great with Morris in PR, and fun to watch in UTCM, but he is not a musician or actor, and he hasn't had a career as such.

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Kristin Scott Thomas was only 19 when she did UTCM - yes it was her first feature film, and I seriously doubt it helped her acting career move forward. The critics hated the movie and she got poor reviews. I would guess it took her awhile to build her career from that point. Her next larger role in a feature film didn't happen until 1994 with Four Wedding's And A Funeral (one of my favorite films), and then she was off and running. Prince had absolutely nothing to do with her going on to win the Academy Award for The English Patient (an amazing film) - she did that on her own and with her own merits. That being said, I'm sure doing UTCM was a good experience for her, and she learned from it.

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Carmen E - don't think there is really much to say on this one. The kind of celebrity that she has had (Playboy

spreads, reality shows, tabloid marriages n with it, and to keep herself in the "celebrity of sorts" mix.

Tevin's debut single in 1991 "Tell Me What You Want Me To Do" from his debut album went all the way to number 6 on Billboard Hot 100 . The Prince penned "Round & Round" went to number 12. On his second DOUBLE platinum album in 1993 both singles "Can We Talk" & "I'm Ready" hit #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. So YES he was a big name in the 90's and this was ALL by the age of 16. And yes he was a teen idol. I was there I saw it ALL in person. He also WAS NOT a crack addict!

Any actor that gets a co-starring role in a motion picture whether it flops or not is a MAJOR achievement. Jerome(who had two) also danced with Janet Jackson on her videos and The Granmmy's. So if he did nothing else it doesn't really matter. That's not including his work with The Time.

Carmen has done WAY more than "Playboy spreads,reality shows, & tabloid marriages". Which Included countless motion pictures,tv shows, hosting various shows on MTV and being a bonafied sex symbol. All starting with her association with Prince.

As far as Kristin, Every actor starts somewhere. Of course the first gig doesn't have to be a box office smash. But it gets them or us noticed. Which all led to her Academy Award.

All of U kill me with how U try to downplay anyones association with Prince. I doubt any of U can do better. Even with Prince's magical ,devine touch.

Can you make your font larger?

I cant read such small type.

PeteSilas said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

LIES! Carmen Elektra became a star,Tevin Campbell,Jerome Benton, Kristen Scott Thomas even won an Oscar after debuting in UTCM. Just to name a few.

U seem like another so called fan on here that's hot & cold and fairweather. Depends on the day.

[Edited 9/9/18 22:41pm]

are we talking the same carmen who randy phillips and prince got in a fight over after randy told him "stop doing a&r with your dick"? Tevin became a crackhead and never really got that successful, jerome benton wasn't a musician and he didn't do much more than what he did with Prince, kristen scott was a pro actress and i don't think utcm helped her win shit. Not hot and cold at all, the man wasn't perfect, I try to see the good and bad in people. On the boxing site i'm on, someone said I had a "weird love hate for ali" furthest fucking thing from the truth, no hate at all, but he fucked up many many times, we all do, we're just people. Not gods.

Yep.

PennyPurple said:

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tevin's debut single in 1991 "Tell Me What You Want Me To Do" from his debut album went all the way to number 6 on Billboard Hot 100 . The Prince penned "Round & Round" went to number 12. On his second DOUBLE platinum album in 1993 both singles "Can We Talk" & "I'm Ready" hit #9 on the Billboard Hot 100. So YES he was a big name in the 90's and this was ALL by the age of 16. And yes he was a teen idol. I was there I saw it ALL in person. He also WAS NOT a crack addict!

Any actor that gets a co-starring role in a motion picture whether it flops or not is a MAJOR achievement. Jerome(who had two) also danced with Janet Jackson on her videos and The Granmmy's. So if he did nothing else it doesn't really matter. That's not including his work with The Time.

Carmen has done WAY more than "Playboy spreads,reality shows, & tabloid marriages". Which Included countless motion pictures,tv shows, hosting various shows on MTV and being a bonafied sex symbol. All starting with her association with Prince.

As far as Kristin, Every actor starts somewhere. Of course the first gig doesn't have to be a box office smash. But it gets them or us noticed. Which all led to her Academy Award.

All of U kill me with how U try to downplay anyones association with Prince. I doubt any of U can do better. Even with Prince's magical ,devine touch.

No one is trying to "downplay" their association with Prince.

*

Regarding Kristin Scott Thomas - acting in a major role for a film that does not do well at the box office does not typically bode well for that actor being offered more of those roles - it's not a good association to have, especially for a beginner actor. Not always fair, but that is the reality.

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Jerome was given his parts in The Time, Purple Rain, and UTCM because he was a close friend to Prince, and he had great comedic chemistry with Morris. I think Prince was trying to recreate that comedic chemistry with him in UTCM, but it did not work quite the same way with him as it did with Morris in PR. Jerome will always be special for that time period, but he did not go on to have a career in music or acting.

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Carmen as a "sex symbol" celebrity - yes., I agree. Carmen as a serious actor and/or musician/singer - no. So, what Prince tried to do with her did not work. It also did not work for Anna Garcia or Robin Power. It worked for Vanity, becuase of the music, her stage presence, and touring with Prince as Vanity 6. It worked with Sheila, because of the music, and her talent on drums and with performing.

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I tink Prince wanted to do with the others the same thing that he was able to do with Vanity and Sheila, but those "projects" were not as successful, because the talent was not there and/or he did not have the time to focus on them. It's not a matter of "downplaying" their successes. Most did not make it too far - in terms of a serious career - when they left the Prince camp.

Are U an actor or talent agent? If not........

All of them were chosen because of devine intervention. They ALL were touched by an angel not of this earth who christened them into stardom. Now Prince is on his path into a better spiritual existence.That includes a life of never ending happiness.

CatB said:

PennyPurple said:

His magical and divine touch only got them so far, until he cut them out of his life. He lured them in by making all kinds of promises, then when he was done with them he was done and never looked back.

That's actually not true. For the most part it was the women leaving his life and he was the one to look back and try to get back in touch. As for the intelligent and not so intelligent ones - he wanted to send Anna to law school and Jill, as far as I know, holds a degree in psychology. Aside from that he had relationships with women who had their own life and those kept their own life. He had a lot of respect for them.

It is my impression per what I have heard Anna, Susannah and Jill say was that when he was romantically involved with them, they needed to join him in his world.

I think he did have intelligent female friends but think he acted differently with his lovers.

Why did so many women leave? Infidelity, P not following through on promises etc. I am surprised that many did not hold grudges. (I think Jill did)

peggyon said:

peggyon said:

CatB said:

PennyPurple said: That's actually not true. For the most part it was the women leaving his life and he was the one to look back and try to get back in touch. As for the intelligent and not so intelligent ones - he wanted to send Anna to law school and Jill, as far as I know, holds a degree in psychology. Aside from that he had relationships with women who had their own life and those kept their own life. He had a lot of respect for them.

It is my impression per what I have heard Anna, Susannah and Jill say was that when he was romantically involved with them, they needed to join him in his world.

I think he did have intelligent female friends but think he acted differently with his lovers.

Why did so many women leave? Infidelity, P not following through on promises etc. I am surprised that many did not hold grudges. (I think Jill did)

Everyone he was involved with had to join him in his world. It's that universe that he talked about. The universe that he created and then peopled.

Prince needed intelligent people in his life for he was highly intelligent and to some degree even an intellectual. He needed that kind of stimulus, and as I said in a previous post, he needed to teach. He loved to teach and to see people, including loves, develop their potential and to be instrumental in it.

However, he was also competitive and when you got too good he did not like that. And I think that dichotomy was what made people, not just women, leave his life. At some point you want to be your own man/woman and you can't live your life between having someone wanting you to reach for your goals and be your best and at the same time not wanting you to go out and pursue it. It had to happen with him. For a while that's tempting, it's always a good feeling to have someone believing in you. Especially when others don't.

Of course, there were other reasons why women left him. His infidelity - I don't know, as it was not really a secret.

I too believe that Jill is holding a grudge. She's an intellectual and feminist (more power to her) and I can relate to her feelings concerning Prince very well.

violetcrush said:

peggyon said:

It is my impression per what I have heard Anna, Susannah and Jill say was that when he was romantically involved with them, they needed to join him in his world.

I think he did have intelligent female friends but think he acted differently with his lovers.

Why did so many women leave? Infidelity, P not following through on promises etc. I am surprised that many did not hold grudges. (I think Jill did)

I don't think the relationship with Anna G was important enough for her to hold a grudge. I think she was a fun diversion for awhile. Susannah and Prince had a rough patch around 2009/2010 when he refused to allow her to use The Family name on the group' new records. Sadly, they did not reconcile before his death, but she stated that he had his Engineer call her two weeks before Moline to tell her he wanted to write and record with her again. So she's got his lyrics - probably some of the last he had written, in her possession. Very sad. It seems Jill was more of a "friend with benefits" to him, which may be some of the reason for her grudge. * It seems Susannah was able to be a friend and a lover in that relationship, but he also wanted to control her. The songs Wally and Empty Room sort of speak to how he connected with her. [Edited 9/10/18 21:18pm]

Susannah and prince had a rough patch moreso in 1986-1987 with his infidelity, she was only 21- 22. Anna was 18 and living with him while he was with Kim and Robin etc. Jill was kept in a contract that she wanted out of and was strung along in other ways.(romantically)There are significant patterns to Prince's behavior and it isn't pretty. How about Vanity? Rosie?Kim? Nona? Mayte? Bria? Just sayin. His behavior is what largely made these women leave. I don't like to romanticise that part of his personality. I think most forgave him but he caused all of them significant pain. So many of them were so young( Mayte, Susannah, Anna, Jill) and others were emotionally fragile (Nona, Kim, Vanity). It was his treatment of young and/or vulnerable women that I find uncool.

Anna seemed strongest but was only 18. I am not clear about Bria.

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

peggyon said:

violetcrush said:

peggyon said: I don't think the relationship with Anna G was important enough for her to hold a grudge. I think she was a fun diversion for awhile. Susannah and Prince had a rough patch around 2009/2010 when he refused to allow her to use The Family name on the group' new records. Sadly, they did not reconcile before his death, but she stated that he had his Engineer call her two weeks before Moline to tell her he wanted to write and record with her again. So she's got his lyrics - probably some of the last he had written, in her possession. Very sad. It seems Jill was more of a "friend with benefits" to him, which may be some of the reason for her grudge. * It seems Susannah was able to be a friend and a lover in that relationship, but he also wanted to control her. The songs Wally and Empty Room sort of speak to how he connected with her. [Edited 9/10/18 21:18pm]

Susannah and prince had a rough patch moreso in 1986-1987 with his infidelity, she was only 21- 22. Anna was 18 and living with him while he was with Kim and Robin etc. Jill was kept in a contract that she wanted out of and was strung along in other ways.(romantically)There are significant patterns to Prince's behavior and it isn't pretty. How about Vanity? Rosie?Kim? Nona? Mayte? Bria? Just sayin. His behavior is what largely made these women leave. I don't like to romanticise that part of his personality. I think most forgave him but he caused all of them significant pain. So many of them were so young( Mayte, Susannah, Anna, Jill) and others were emotionally fragile (Nona, Kim, Vanity). It was his treatment of young and/or vulnerable women that I find uncool.

Anna seemed strongest but was only 18. I am not clear about Bria.

This is something important you say here.

They say like attracts like. Prince himself had been that young and vulnerable one and to a degree stayed that all through his life. That's the angle from where you need to look at the picture.

And when you leave their age aside, some of those women don't seem to have been so innocent either. That is not an excuse to take advantage of it. But again, like attracts like. I called it his orphan detector.