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Thread started 05/15/18 9:21am

Astasheiks

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Prince's First and Last Ronde Vu at Paisley Park?

Who do you think was Prince's first female he did "Do Me Baby" too at Paisley Park when he moved in? And who was the last? biggrin razz lol

First Possibly: Wasn't he dating Sheila E when he move in?

Last: Maybe Andy Allo or Judith Hill or the woman he was seen with at Electric Fetus Record store the week before he left Earth?

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Reply #1 posted 05/15/18 10:37am

littlemissG

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Please stop.
Prince was in pain, on powerful drugs, and need an enema to poop.
What makes you think sex was on the agenda?
He was human as anyone, I wish the Fam allowed him to be just human.
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Reply #2 posted 05/15/18 10:48am

disch

Yes. Can we please appreciate his music and performance as something more than just elaborate mash notes to various women?

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I think he put far more info both composition (intrumentation, vocals, and arrangement, as well as lyrics), and I think the main objective to his performances was putting on a show that the audience would find engaging and entertaining, not sending coded messages to women he was into. I think, after 40+ years of putting on shows as a consummate professional, he was capable of conjuring emotion and passion in his performing without having to picture specific women for each song.

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Reply #3 posted 05/15/18 10:48am

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Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin

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Reply #4 posted 05/15/18 10:50am

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What we know for sure none of those women was with him when he died, so what does it mean?
[Edited 5/15/18 20:20pm]
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Reply #5 posted 05/15/18 10:50am

disch

If you want to discuss the first and last woman he had sex with at Paisley Park... why start this again? This will just devolve within 2 posts to yet another bout of ridiculousness about who prince true love/last "confirmed girlfriend"/whatever was.

Astasheiks said:

Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin

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Reply #6 posted 05/15/18 10:57am

pinkcashmere23

Astasheiks said:

Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.

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Reply #7 posted 05/15/18 11:28am

disch

Pink, you might want to take a deeper look his catalog and his evolution as an artist (musician, arranger, performer, producer, etc.). This laser focus on the lyrics of his songs as coded messages for/about certain women is incredibly reductive of everything he did as a musician.

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Even he bristled at this kind of thing in the Ebony interview where he disputed the origins of The Beautiful Ones. Rather than being about a particular woman, it was in service to the movie's plot, he said.

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It's your opinion that his love life was the biggest motivator in his artistic output, and the most valuable or interesting part of analysis of his music is decoding the specific woman that you think his lyrics were for or about. There's not universal agreement that that's the key part of what made him such a revolutionary artist.

pinkcashmere23 said:

Astasheiks said:

Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.

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Reply #8 posted 05/15/18 11:38am

Astasheiks

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pinkcashmere23 said:

Astasheiks said:

Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.

Thank you PC! One example is "Martha" in Insatiable. Was she just name he made up or was it a particular Female that existed that he was romantically involved with?

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Reply #9 posted 05/15/18 11:51am

pinkcashmere23

Astasheiks said:

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.

Thank you PC! One example is "Martha" in Insatiable. Was she just name he made up or was it a particular Female that existed that he was romantically involved with?

You're welcome! Now that, I don't know and I've wondered about it myself. Some have said he was talking about Martha Quinn but I doubt that. Maybe it was a name he used as a term of endearment.lol.

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Reply #10 posted 05/15/18 12:17pm

benni

disch said:

Pink, you might want to take a deeper look his catalog and his evolution as an artist (musician, arranger, performer, producer, etc.). This laser focus on the lyrics of his songs as coded messages for/about certain women is incredibly reductive of everything he did as a musician.

-

Even he bristled at this kind of thing in the Ebony interview where he disputed the origins of The Beautiful Ones. Rather than being about a particular woman, it was in service to the movie's plot, he said.

-

It's your opinion that his love life was the biggest motivator in his artistic output, and the most valuable or interesting part of analysis of his music is decoding the specific woman that you think his lyrics were for or about. There's not universal agreement that that's the key part of what made him such a revolutionary artist.

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.


He's even said numerous times that his inspiration comes from God. But I found an article once and copied this from it:


If the idea seems bonkers that the man who shrieked with unbridled sexual energy in the intro of “When Doves Cry” is actually a prude, well, maybe it’s not.

“Prince intended sexuality to be linked to the worship of God, and he filled his music with classic Christian messages,” the author Touré wrote in 2013 in “I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon,” “meaning Prince was sexual but, ultimately, very conservative.”

And then there was this interview:


He is, of course, the prince of tease. His songs drip with sexual innuendo and eroticism. “People hear the sex in my songs much more than I ever write it,” he pouts with camp outrage. “If you listen to the words in Sexy MF, you’ll see they’re about monogamy rather than promiscuous sex.”

He can hardly claim misinterpretation, though, of songs such as Soft And Wet, Scarlet Pussy and Jack U Off. Or Head, the lascivious slab of funk from his 1980 album Dirty Mind.

“Well yes, the choruses in that song are about, erm, sex,” he concedes briefly before flashing an impish grin, “but there are verses too.”


https://www.theguardian.c...s-magazine


And another interview:


Which comes back to the joke he made about not writing "Adore." He didn't write it. Well, he did, but that's not what he meant. Songs come to him the way that breathing air comes to you or me. The source of his inspiration? How he does it? Even the most creative artist in the history of creative artists has a problem explaining it.

"I've tried to answer that question the whole time I've been on earth," Prince says. He leans forward. Thinking about it. "Put it like this: When I'm onstage, I'm out of body. That's what the rehearsals, the practicing, the playing is for. You work to a place where you're all out of body. And that's when something happens.

"You reach a plane of creativity and inspiration. A plane where every song that has ever existed and every song that will exist in the future is right there in front of you. And you just go with it for as long as it takes. Like tonight. You can tell me I was onstage for four hours, but it doesn't feel like that to me. We were all out of body out there. Sometimes it isn't until we're in the car after a jam where I feel my leg tighten up. And then I'm not out of body anymore."


https://www.essence.com/2...-june-2014

To me, God has always been his biggest motivator when writing songs.

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Reply #11 posted 05/15/18 12:34pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

Pink, you might want to take a deeper look his catalog and his evolution as an artist (musician, arranger, performer, producer, etc.). This laser focus on the lyrics of his songs as coded messages for/about certain women is incredibly reductive of everything he did as a musician.

-

Even he bristled at this kind of thing in the Ebony interview where he disputed the origins of The Beautiful Ones. Rather than being about a particular woman, it was in service to the movie's plot, he said.

-

It's your opinion that his love life was the biggest motivator in his artistic output, and the most valuable or interesting part of analysis of his music is decoding the specific woman that you think his lyrics were for or about. There's not universal agreement that that's the key part of what made him such a revolutionary artist.

pinkcashmere23 said:

True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.

I certainly appreciate the musicality of each song but I also can feel an appreciation for his muse at the time.Without the person the song may not even exist. I also believe certain women inspired his creativity more than others,causing him to be more prolific at times. I am referring to the songs that he confirmed were inspired by a particular love interest such as some of the love songs on Emancipation for Mayte and Forever In My Life which he said himself was for Susannah.I'm also well aware that he frequently wrote songs about other topics but women were his main muse and he wrote some of the most beautiful,romantic music I have ever heard.

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Reply #12 posted 05/15/18 12:35pm

disch

I think the lyrics were just one part of his songs. The most interesting thing, I think, is his use of instrumentation and experiments with different kinds of equipment and techniques to get the sound he wanted. Lyrics are the easiest thing for a non-musician to get into (and I'm a not-musician) but I don't think they're actually always the most interesting part of what he did.

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And I don't actually think that many of his lyrics were coded mash notes to particular women.

benni said:

disch said:

Pink, you might want to take a deeper look his catalog and his evolution as an artist (musician, arranger, performer, producer, etc.). This laser focus on the lyrics of his songs as coded messages for/about certain women is incredibly reductive of everything he did as a musician.

-

Even he bristled at this kind of thing in the Ebony interview where he disputed the origins of The Beautiful Ones. Rather than being about a particular woman, it was in service to the movie's plot, he said.

-

It's your opinion that his love life was the biggest motivator in his artistic output, and the most valuable or interesting part of analysis of his music is decoding the specific woman that you think his lyrics were for or about. There's not universal agreement that that's the key part of what made him such a revolutionary artist.


He's even said numerous times that his inspiration comes from God. But I found an article once and copied this from it:


If the idea seems bonkers that the man who shrieked with unbridled sexual energy in the intro of “When Doves Cry” is actually a prude, well, maybe it’s not.

“Prince intended sexuality to be linked to the worship of God, and he filled his music with classic Christian messages,” the author Touré wrote in 2013 in “I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon,” “meaning Prince was sexual but, ultimately, very conservative.”

And then there was this interview:


He is, of course, the prince of tease. His songs drip with sexual innuendo and eroticism. “People hear the sex in my songs much more than I ever write it,” he pouts with camp outrage. “If you listen to the words in Sexy MF, you’ll see they’re about monogamy rather than promiscuous sex.”

He can hardly claim misinterpretation, though, of songs such as Soft And Wet, Scarlet Pussy and Jack U Off. Or Head, the lascivious slab of funk from his 1980 album Dirty Mind.

“Well yes, the choruses in that song are about, erm, sex,” he concedes briefly before flashing an impish grin, “but there are verses too.”


https://www.theguardian.c...s-magazine


And another interview:


Which comes back to the joke he made about not writing "Adore." He didn't write it. Well, he did, but that's not what he meant. Songs come to him the way that breathing air comes to you or me. The source of his inspiration? How he does it? Even the most creative artist in the history of creative artists has a problem explaining it.

"I've tried to answer that question the whole time I've been on earth," Prince says. He leans forward. Thinking about it. "Put it like this: When I'm onstage, I'm out of body. That's what the rehearsals, the practicing, the playing is for. You work to a place where you're all out of body. And that's when something happens.

"You reach a plane of creativity and inspiration. A plane where every song that has ever existed and every song that will exist in the future is right there in front of you. And you just go with it for as long as it takes. Like tonight. You can tell me I was onstage for four hours, but it doesn't feel like that to me. We were all out of body out there. Sometimes it isn't until we're in the car after a jam where I feel my leg tighten up. And then I'm not out of body anymore."


https://www.essence.com/2...-june-2014

To me, God has always been his biggest motivator when writing songs.

[Edited 5/15/18 12:36pm]

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Reply #13 posted 05/15/18 1:18pm

pinkcashmere23

disch said:

I think the lyrics were just one part of his songs. The most interesting thing, I think, is his use of instrumentation and experiments with different kinds of equipment and techniques to get the sound he wanted. Lyrics are the easiest thing for a non-musician to get into (and I'm a not-musician) but I don't think they're actually always the most interesting part of what he did.

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And I don't actually think that many of his lyrics were coded mash notes to particular women.

benni said:


He's even said numerous times that his inspiration comes from God. But I found an article once and copied this from it:


If the idea seems bonkers that the man who shrieked with unbridled sexual energy in the intro of “When Doves Cry” is actually a prude, well, maybe it’s not.

“Prince intended sexuality to be linked to the worship of God, and he filled his music with classic Christian messages,” the author Touré wrote in 2013 in “I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon,” “meaning Prince was sexual but, ultimately, very conservative.”

And then there was this interview:


He is, of course, the prince of tease. His songs drip with sexual innuendo and eroticism. “People hear the sex in my songs much more than I ever write it,” he pouts with camp outrage. “If you listen to the words in Sexy MF, you’ll see they’re about monogamy rather than promiscuous sex.”

He can hardly claim misinterpretation, though, of songs such as Soft And Wet, Scarlet Pussy and Jack U Off. Or Head, the lascivious slab of funk from his 1980 album Dirty Mind.

“Well yes, the choruses in that song are about, erm, sex,” he concedes briefly before flashing an impish grin, “but there are verses too.”


https://www.theguardian.c...s-magazine


And another interview:


Which comes back to the joke he made about not writing "Adore." He didn't write it. Well, he did, but that's not what he meant. Songs come to him the way that breathing air comes to you or me. The source of his inspiration? How he does it? Even the most creative artist in the history of creative artists has a problem explaining it.

"I've tried to answer that question the whole time I've been on earth," Prince says. He leans forward. Thinking about it. "Put it like this: When I'm onstage, I'm out of body. That's what the rehearsals, the practicing, the playing is for. You work to a place where you're all out of body. And that's when something happens.

"You reach a plane of creativity and inspiration. A plane where every song that has ever existed and every song that will exist in the future is right there in front of you. And you just go with it for as long as it takes. Like tonight. You can tell me I was onstage for four hours, but it doesn't feel like that to me. We were all out of body out there. Sometimes it isn't until we're in the car after a jam where I feel my leg tighten up. And then I'm not out of body anymore."


https://www.essence.com/2...-june-2014

To me, God has always been his biggest motivator when writing songs.

[Edited 5/15/18 12:36pm]

I agree. I am musically inclined,certainly not to the degree of Prince but I appreciate all aspects of his music and I am enamored with his performances as well. I do find him to be very impressive as a lyricist.God was definitely at the forefront of the music I agree.

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Reply #14 posted 05/15/18 2:45pm

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pinkcashmere23 said:




Astasheiks said:


Well before he moved to PP he had some Beautiful Romantic Love Songs. So when he moved into PP imagine those Love songs blastin thru State of the Art Speakers getting ole girl in the mood! razz biggrin



True. Women were such an inspiration for him you can't remove them from the equation. A lot of the songs did seem to be directed towards a particular love interest.




Thank you PC! One example is "Martha" in Insatiable. Was she just name he made up or was it a particular Female that existed that he was romantically involved with?


Mayte said in her book that when she landed in LA to film 7 she was told by bodyguard that her name was Martha. Forgot if she was given a last name
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Reply #15 posted 05/15/18 2:53pm

pinkcashmere23

purplemist7777 said:

Astasheiks said:

Thank you PC! One example is "Martha" in Insatiable. Was she just name he made up or was it a particular Female that existed that he was romantically involved with?

Mayte said in her book that when she landed in LA to film 7 she was told by bodyguard that her name was Martha. Forgot if she was given a last name

Interesting! So that was her alias. Thanks!

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Reply #16 posted 05/15/18 3:03pm

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Interesting indeed. May have to get her book. smile

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Reply #17 posted 05/15/18 3:24pm

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Please stop.
Prince was in pain, on powerful drugs, and need an enema to poop.
What makes you think sex was on the agenda?
He was human as anyone, I wish the Fam allowed him to be just human.

yes
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Reply #18 posted 05/16/18 8:13am

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pinkcashmere23 said:

purplemist7777 said:

Astasheiks said: Mayte said in her book that when she landed in LA to film 7 she was told by bodyguard that her name was Martha. Forgot if she was given a last name

Interesting! So that was her alias. Thanks!

Many people , including members of the NPG, had no idea who Martha was but Mayté says that it´s the name given to her by Prince via his bodyguard.

This would make sense considering that he mentions the name repeatedly in "Insatiable", which is on the Diamonds and Pearls album and was written and released during a time when he and Mayté were getting a bit closer.

Then again, I am not really 100% sure about that because we´ve had several "Martha" threads over the years and if I recall correctly there had been a few other times that he had mentioned that name....long before Mayté showed up. But it would make sense if Mayté ´s account of the origin story of that name is true.

Michael Bland once mentioned here on the org that he had no idea who Martha was.

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littlemissG said:

Please stop. Prince was in pain, on powerful drugs, and need an enema to poop. What makes you think sex was on the agenda? He was human as anyone, I wish the Fam allowed him to be just human.

How you know he needed enema to poop?

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