Genesia said:

babynoz said:

Zannaloaf said:

https://youtu.be/qHpkTpufFD8

yep, who better can say that it didn't serve them than someone who did it.

purplefam99 said:

Zannaloaf said:

https://youtu.be/qHpkTpufFD8

yep, who better can say that it didn't serve them than someone who did it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said:

THANK YOU. No understanding of feminism at all.

Okay if you think feminism is about dressing in clothes society views as "right clothes" for women to not to get judged, you're right, I don't get it! Because that's fucked up to tell a woman what is right and what is wrong about her clothes! [Edited 1/16/18 10:23am]

well what is she selling. this person is in the business of selling music right. seems she is using

other tools to get you to the purchase counter. Her right to do so and others right to point out

it's possible consequences. Every mouth has a right to speak and everyone has free will.

Just an observation that i have had recently. I see musicians taking more care to put their instruments

away in there cases after use, away from humidity and heat, than i see dancers taking the care with their

instruments after a grueling dance class. they aren't wrapping it up and shielding it from the harsh

effects of the environment post class. Why would they not see their bodies as instruments too and care for them the same. i don't get leaving the dance/yoga studio half naked. thx , just My opinion.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

babynoz said: Okay if you think feminism is about dressing in clothes society views as "right clothes" for women to not to get judged, you're right, I don't get it! Because that's fucked up to tell a woman what is right and what is wrong about her clothes! [Edited 1/16/18 10:23am]

well what is she selling. this person is in the business of selling music right. seems she is using

other tools to get you to the purchase counter. Her right to do so and others right to point out

it's possible consequences. Every mouth has a right to speak and everyone has free will.

Just an observation that i have had recently. I see musicians taking more care to put their instruments

away in there cases after use, away from humidity and heat, than i see dancers taking the care with their

instruments after a grueling dance class. they aren't wrapping it up and shielding it from the harsh

effects of the environment post class. Why would they not see their bodies as instruments too and care for them the same. i don't get leaving the dance/yoga studio half naked. thx , just My opinion.

I never said that some women don't use thise tools to sell their stuff, I was talking about the judgement from people like Jill who claim to be "real" feminists, when they're judgement about other women's decisions is just as bad as the ones from the society and I still believe that women never intend to be viewed or degrade themselves to objects just because they make album covers like this we're talking about.

Yes, some use these tools to sell stuff, but doesn't give anyone the right to view them just as objects or call them sluts for doing it.

[Edited 1/16/18 11:02am]

babynoz said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay if you think feminism is about dressing in clothes society views as "right clothes" for women to not to get judged, you're right, I don't get it! Because that's fucked up to tell a woman what is right and what is wrong about her clothes! [Edited 1/16/18 10:23am]

Im not about to let the likes of you put words in my mouth when I have already detailed what femimism is about in my first reply. Please stop being lazy and deflectimg. Go back and read my post so you can address what I actually said.

pushing your own ideals on other women just because you don't like their self expression, isn't feminism.

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

Did Jill get to reflect on her role in Graffiti Bridge? That was rather objectify. And now, she is judging others for what she has done herself. Get a life!

jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

well what is she selling. this person is in the business of selling music right. seems she is using

other tools to get you to the purchase counter. Her right to do so and others right to point out

it's possible consequences. Every mouth has a right to speak and everyone has free will.

Just an observation that i have had recently. I see musicians taking more care to put their instruments

away in there cases after use, away from humidity and heat, than i see dancers taking the care with their

instruments after a grueling dance class. they aren't wrapping it up and shielding it from the harsh

effects of the environment post class. Why would they not see their bodies as instruments too and care for them the same. i don't get leaving the dance/yoga studio half naked. thx , just My opinion.

I never said that some women don't use thise tools to sell their stuff, I was talking about the judgement from people like Jill who claim to be "real" feminists, when they're judgement about other women's decisions is just as bad as the ones from the society and I still believe that women never intend to be viewed or degrade themselves to objects just because they make album covers like this we're talking about.

Yes, some use these tools to sell stuff, but doesn't give anyone the right to view them just as objects or call them sluts for doing it.

[Edited 1/16/18 11:02am]

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

OldFriends4Sale said:

jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

jungleluv said:

I was expecting Laura Richardson to be all over this thread. She is usually so quick to defend Jill.

see how the differing of opinion is missed when it is gone. LR hope you are well.

purplefam99 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

I never said that some women don't use thise tools to sell their stuff, I was talking about the judgement from people like Jill who claim to be "real" feminists, when they're judgement about other women's decisions is just as bad as the ones from the society and I still believe that women never intend to be viewed or degrade themselves to objects just because they make album covers like this we're talking about.

Yes, some use these tools to sell stuff, but doesn't give anyone the right to view them just as objects or call them sluts for doing it.

[Edited 1/16/18 11:02am]

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

It can empower young women to do whatever they want to without being called sluts for doing it.

ThatWhiteDude said:

purplefam99 said:

i think ideally it does not give anyone the right. and when some people are no longer a visually motivated creatures then perhaps sitting with ones legs astride won't have a consequences

that reach far beyond this one person's choice. sorry Thewhitedude i am still stuck in my

annual listen to Dr MLK's dream speech, we all have a duty to each other. Especially to me

when we have been granted the good luck to be able to reach and touch so many. i am grateful for

for those that speak up and out, it isn't ever easy to do so. If this young girl's pose is meant to

empower young girls, then it is lost on me, but i will defend her right to pose but will also remind her of the consequences of her choice beyond the blanket right.

but we can say everyone is just beholden to their own choices, but that picture looks bleek and

lonely to me, i want community so i am willing to make choices that empower that community

than just empowering myself.

It can empower young women to do whatever they want to without being called sluts for doing it.

ok

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

she thinks JJ is slut and cannot sing

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

OldFriends4Sale said:

PennyPurple said:

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

That is true.

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

you read it, I reposted in a different debate, what Laura thought of her

a slut for letting Prince have sex with her in bathrooms and what not

That is true.

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

poppys said:

PennyPurple said:

That is true.

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

That makes Prince a slut too - so it's all good!

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.

poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

I was not attacking Penny.

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

What are you talking about???

I also remember what Laura said and I'm not assuming anything about Penny. I'm pointing out whoever's in the bathroom fucking a slut, that makes them one too, no matter what sex they are. Personally, I could care less who gets off in any bathroom, including Prince. Good for them! I was half-joking, dang.

[Edited 1/16/18 12:22pm]

Sorry, I was agreeing that LR did say that.

poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

get off the offense, PennyPurple isn't saying Jill is a slut, she is saying 'that is true' that Laurarichardson did say that about JJ

I was not attacking Penny.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

OldFriends4Sale said:

poppys said:

I was not attacking Penny.

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

I did not assume anything. Y'all are assumming. Penny or Laura do not need defending from me. How is this on-topic?

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

But you've been attacking Prince because you assumed Penny called Jill a slut

What are you talking about???

I also remember what Laura said and I'm not assuming anything about Penny. I'm pointing out whoever's in the bathroom fucking a slut, that makes them one too, no matter what sex they are. Personally, I could care less who gets off in any bathroom, good for them! I was half-joking, dang.

[Edited 1/16/18 12:18pm]

Nah, you're back paddling right now You said what you said! Get outta the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

ThatWhiteDude said:

poppys said:

What are you talking about???

I also remember what Laura said and I'm not assuming anything about Penny. I'm pointing out whoever's in the bathroom fucking a slut, that makes them one too, no matter what sex they are. Personally, I could care less who gets off in any bathroom, including Prince. Good for them! I was half-joking, dang.

Nah, you're back paddling right now You said what you said! Get outta the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

IF Prince fucked Jill Jones in a bathroom, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT MAKES EITHER OF THEM A SLUT. BUT - if you are going to call the female only a slut, then that's not fair. They are both doing the same thing in the bathroom. That is what I think. Is that clear enough for you?

[Edited 1/16/18 12:34pm]

poppys said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

you assumed she was calling JJ a slut, which is why your retort said "well Prince is too then"

I did not assume anything. Y'all are assumming. Penny or Laura do not need defending from me. How is this on-topic?

I didn't say you were attacking Penny, but your response to Penny was clearly offensive or defensive. Because it is clear your reply that 'Prince must be a slut too' is assuming PurplePenny was agreeing with the LR thought that JJ was a slut (and cannot sing)

.

post #

someone said Laurarichardson would defend JJ and I shared what LR has posted/thought about JJ for them. The 'slut' part sorta goes along with the current of this thread.

poppys said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Nah, you're back paddling right now You said what you said! Get outta the kitchen if you can't take the heat.

IF Prince fucked Jill Jones in a bathroom, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT MAKES EITHER OF THEM IS A SLUT. BUT - if you are going to call the female only a slut, then that's not fair. They are both doing the same thing in the bathroom. That is what I think. Is that clear enough for you?

[Edited 1/16/18 12:33pm]