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Thread started 11/09/17 9:56am

Strawberrylova
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Susan rogers interview : " he needed to be the Alpha male to get things done"

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Reply #1 posted 11/09/17 10:26am

ThatWhiteDude

He’d invariably woo a woman nonetheless, but couldn’t resist going back to the studio in the middle of the night. “He’d have her sit there in the control room while we continued working. The girls sat there until they got bored and went home, with Prince saying: ‘Sorry, baby, I’m almost done.’”

It's fair to say that Music was his one true love lol

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
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Reply #2 posted 11/09/17 10:43am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

He’d invariably woo a woman nonetheless, but couldn’t resist going back to the studio in the middle of the night. “He’d have her sit there in the control room while we continued working. The girls sat there until they got bored and went home, with Prince saying: ‘Sorry, baby, I’m almost done.’”




It's fair to say that Music was his one true love lol


Yep!! If i was his girlfriend i would geek out! I'm a tech and music nerd
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Reply #3 posted 11/09/17 1:25pm

bsprout

Great article, thank you
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Reply #4 posted 11/09/17 4:26pm

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bsprout said:

Great article, thank you

Ur welcome wink
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Reply #5 posted 11/09/17 4:59pm

anangellooksdo
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Thanks, Strawberry. Very insightful article.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/17 5:02pm

anangellooksdo
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ThatWhiteDude said:

He’d invariably woo a woman nonetheless, but couldn’t resist going back to the studio in the middle of the night. “He’d have her sit there in the control room while we continued working. The girls sat there until they got bored and went home, with Prince saying: ‘Sorry, baby, I’m almost done.’”




It's fair to say that Music was his one true love lol



I was just listening to Way Back Home again and I really feel he worked so hard because either or both of these factors:

1) He couldn't stop the music from coming out of him; and/or
2) he felt a real responsibility to produce and leave the catalogue of music he did.

I think it's probably both.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #7 posted 11/09/17 5:04pm

Strawberrylova
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anangellooksdown said:

Thanks, Strawberry. Very insightful article.

Ur welcome wink
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/17 5:23pm

FlyOnTheWall

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I really enjoyed reading it. Is it just me, or do parts of it seem to almost correlate to the parts of the Cat Glover Interview thread where Susan Rogers was mentioned, especially the parts about Prince's, well, habits?

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Reply #9 posted 11/09/17 5:28pm

Strawberrylova
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FlyOnTheWall said:

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I really enjoyed reading it. Is it just me, or do parts of it seem to almost correlate to the parts of the Cat Glover Interview thread where Susan Rogers was mentioned, especially the parts about Prince's, well, habits?


?? Elaborate please
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/17 5:59pm

FlyOnTheWall

Strawberrylova123 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I really enjoyed reading it. Is it just me, or do parts of it seem to almost correlate to the parts of the Cat Glover Interview thread where Susan Rogers was mentioned, especially the parts about Prince's, well, habits?

?? Elaborate please

I mean the parts where some mentioned P's work ethic and wondered how much time he had for relaxation and/or sex. Someone, I think it was Laura, even reminded us of how "conservative" Prince was, maybe even using that very word. Or, like when someone used womanizer and "predator" as though they were interchangeable. I cautioned against that because I've never heard that P was a predator. Susan Rogers made these comments in the article that brought that discussion to mind:


"With a song finished, he would often head out to a club afterwards and would end up performing"...she says. He’d invariably woo a woman nonetheless, but couldn’t resist going back to the studio in the middle of the night. “He’d have her sit there in the control room while we continued working. The girls sat there until they got bored and went home, with Prince saying: ‘Sorry, baby, I’m almost done.’”........

Rogers recalls an artist who was enormously professional and respectful, quite unlike the sex fiend that was portrayed in the media. “He understood that an artist is a canvas for us to project our own desires and motives on to,” she says. “He was being the bold male that a lot of men wish they could be but society wouldn’t allow them to; he was being the hyper-confident male that a lot of women wish would find them attractive. He was letting us see this almost comic-book hero version of himself, so the real man could hide: a quiet, respectful, polite working man. I never heard him use profanity; he was not lecherous. He was personally conservative, I never even saw a Playboy magazine around the house. It used to make me sad that the impression in the 80s was that Michael Jackson was the safe one you could let your daughter go on a date with, but that you wouldn’t dare trust your daughter around Prince.”


[Edited 11/9/17 18:04pm]

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Strawberrylova
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FlyOnTheWall said:



Strawberrylova123 said:


FlyOnTheWall said:

Very interesting article. Thanks for posting it. I really enjoyed reading it. Is it just me, or do parts of it seem to almost correlate to the parts of the Cat Glover Interview thread where Susan Rogers was mentioned, especially the parts about Prince's, well, habits?



?? Elaborate please

I mean the parts where some mentioned P's work ethic and wondered how much time he had for relaxation and/or sex. Someone, I think it was Laura, ever reminded us of how "conservative" Prince was, maybe even using that very word. Or, like when someone used womanizer and "predator" as though they were interchangeable. I cautioned against that because I've never heard that P was a predator. Susan Rogers made these comments in the article that brought that discussion to mind:




"With a song finished, he would often head out to a club afterwards and would end up performing"...she says. He’d invariably woo a woman nonetheless, but couldn’t resist going back to the studio in the middle of the night. “He’d have her sit there in the control room while we continued working. The girls sat there until they got bored and went home, with Prince saying: ‘Sorry, baby, I’m almost done.’”.....

Rogers recalls an artist who was enormously professional and respectful, quite unlike the sex fiend that was portrayed in the media. “He understood that an artist is a canvas for us to project our own desires and motives on to,” she says. “He was being the bold male that a lot of men wish they could be but society wouldn’t allow them to; he was being the hyper-confident male that a lot of women wish would find them attractive. He was letting us see this almost comic-book hero version of himself, so the real man could hide: a quiet, respectful, polite working man. I never heard him use profanity; he was not lecherous. He was personally conservative, I never even saw a Playboy magazine around the house. It used to make me sad that the impression in the 80s was that Michael Jackson was the safe one you could let your daughter go on a date with, but that you wouldn’t dare trust your daughter around Prince.”





[Edited 11/9/17 18:03pm]


No doubt that prince was a womanizer, a predator or sex fiend he was not
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Reply #12 posted 11/10/17 2:38am

Lovejunky

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Strawberrylova123 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:


[Edited 11/9/17 18:03pm]

No doubt that prince was a womanizer, a predator or sex fiend he was not

I think he was both the Hunter and the Hunted...

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
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Reply #13 posted 11/10/17 5:43am

PURPLEIZED3121

very, very true. Working with creatives...especially musicians with ego or simply their own ideas can & was a nightmare. People bitch on about what a hard ass he was, ruthless etc BUT he was the boss & had to maintain absolute control at all times. Without that quality his vision in each era would have been compromised.

Hate how people like Leeds, Wendy etc bitch & moan about the hours of rehearsal...ffs it's what made them & others great & deliver time after time. If he wasn't 'alpha male' his legacy would have been screwed & abused by those around him.

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Reply #14 posted 11/10/17 8:37am

Strawberrylova
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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

very, very true. Working with creatives...especially musicians with ego or simply their own ideas can & was a nightmare. People bitch on about what a hard ass he was, ruthless etc BUT he was the boss & had to maintain absolute control at all times. Without that quality his vision in each era would have been compromised.


Hate how people like Leeds, Wendy etc bitch & moan about the hours of rehearsal...ffs it's what made them & others great & deliver time after time. If he wasn't 'alpha male' his legacy would have been screwed & abused by those around him.


Yep! You have to that industry is a beast
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Reply #15 posted 11/10/17 9:40am

anangellooksdo
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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

very, very true. Working with creatives...especially musicians with ego or simply their own ideas can & was a nightmare. People bitch on about what a hard ass he was, ruthless etc BUT he was the boss & had to maintain absolute control at all times. Without that quality his vision in each era would have been compromised.


Hate how people like Leeds, Wendy etc bitch & moan about the hours of rehearsal...ffs it's what made them & others great & deliver time after time. If he wasn't 'alpha male' his legacy would have been screwed & abused by those around him.



EXACTLY.
I have said this for a long time; that Prince had a lot to protect. He taught the young women he cared about and worked with how to have boundaries.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #16 posted 11/10/17 9:42am

anangellooksdo
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^^^^^ of course then they would have him to practice with. smile
"Would you run to me
Even if that somebody who hurt you was me'
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #17 posted 11/10/17 1:27pm

purplefam99

Lovejunky said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

FlyOnTheWall said: No doubt that prince was a womanizer, a predator or sex fiend he was not

I think he was both the Hunter and the Hunted...

i agree with you both but this is how i frame it for me,

a hunter who hunted to be fed, not to kill and waste his prey. and the hunted aslo ate at his table.

a womanizer but never covert or hidden or secretive in his presuit of female abundance ( if women didnt know ,that was a willing choice, to me)

never a menace or predator in any of the above actions.

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Reply #18 posted 11/10/17 1:40pm

purplefam99

anangellooksdown said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

very, very true. Working with creatives...especially musicians with ego or simply their own ideas can & was a nightmare. People bitch on about what a hard ass he was, ruthless etc BUT he was the boss & had to maintain absolute control at all times. Without that quality his vision in each era would have been compromised.

Hate how people like Leeds, Wendy etc bitch & moan about the hours of rehearsal...ffs it's what made them & others great & deliver time after time. If he wasn't 'alpha male' his legacy would have been screwed & abused by those around him.

EXACTLY. I have said this for a long time; that Prince had a lot to protect. He taught the young women he cared about and worked with how to have boundaries.

i think alpha male can be very attractive, comforting and a thing of beauty when that power is weilded

with unresounding love. the same for mother hens swooping in with their protective wing scooping

the chicks under. i love when humanity shows it's most basic instincts of providing, proctecting and

feeding. i love that being in service to animals/livestock

is called "husbandry" the care, feeding, and cultivation. I think in many ways Prince was this "Husband" in his relm. Caring, Feeding and cultivating an enviornment to florish.

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Reply #19 posted 11/10/17 1:50pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

Lovejunky said:

I think he was both the Hunter and the Hunted...

i agree with you both but this is how i frame it for me,

a hunter who hunted to be fed, not to kill and waste his prey. and the hunted aslo ate at his table.

a womanizer but never covert or hidden or secretive in his presuit of female abundance ( if women didnt know ,that was a willing choice, to me)

never a menace or predator in any of the above actions.

I concur, as "hunter" and "hunted" can both have very negative connotations, but I don't think Lovejunky intended to use the words to suggest anything predatory about P.

[Edited 11/10/17 15:23pm]

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Reply #20 posted 11/10/17 2:06pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

anangellooksdown said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said: EXACTLY. I have said this for a long time; that Prince had a lot to protect. He taught the young women he cared about and worked with how to have boundaries.

i think alpha male can be very attractive, comforting and a thing of beauty when that power is weilded

with unresounding love. the same for mother hens swooping in with their protective wing scooping

the chicks under. i love when humanity shows it's most basic instincts of providing, proctecting and

feeding. i love that being in service to animals/livestock

is called "husbandry" the care, feeding, and cultivation. I think in many ways Prince was this "Husband" in his relm. Caring, Feeding and cultivating an enviornment to florish.

Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.

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Reply #21 posted 11/10/17 2:35pm

anangellooksdo
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FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:




anangellooksdown said:


PURPLEIZED3121 said: EXACTLY. I have said this for a long time; that Prince had a lot to protect. He taught the young women he cared about and worked with how to have boundaries.

i think alpha male can be very attractive, comforting and a thing of beauty when that power is weilded


with unresounding love. the same for mother hens swooping in with their protective wing scooping


the chicks under. i love when humanity shows it's most basic instincts of providing, proctecting and


feeding. i love that being in service to animals/livestock


is called "husbandry" the care, feeding, and cultivation. I think in many ways Prince was this "Husband" in his relm. Caring, Feeding and cultivating an enviornment to florish.




Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.



I think of him more as a father than a husband in this sense.
NOT to be confused with MY father, but more like God the Father.
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #22 posted 11/10/17 2:37pm

anangellooksdo
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purplefam99 said:



Lovejunky said:




Strawberrylova123 said:


FlyOnTheWall said: No doubt that prince was a womanizer, a predator or sex fiend he was not

I think he was both the Hunter and the Hunted...




i agree with you both but this is how i frame it for me,



a hunter who hunted to be fed, not to kill and waste his prey. and the hunted aslo ate at his table.


a womanizer but never covert or hidden or secretive in his presuit of female abundance ( if women didnt know ,that was a willing choice, to me)



never a menace or predator in any of the above actions.




Definitely.
But I got what LoveJunky said too.
There was Prince the lover, and there was Prince the provider.
[Edited 11/10/17 14:37pm]
~Paisley Park is in your heart~
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Reply #23 posted 11/10/17 6:45pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplefam99 said:

i agree with you both but this is how i frame it for me,

a hunter who hunted to be fed, not to kill and waste his prey. and the hunted aslo ate at his table.

a womanizer but never covert or hidden or secretive in his presuit of female abundance ( if women didnt know ,that was a willing choice, to me)

never a menace or predator in any of the above actions.

I concur, as "hunter" and "hunted" can both have very negative connotations, but I don't think Lovejunky intended to use the words to suggest anything predatory about P.

[Edited 11/10/17 15:23pm]

oh yes and i agree that Lovejunky was not implying anything predatory. i didn't mean my

reflections to convey that i thought so, please excuse my wording if that was the impression

i gave.

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Reply #24 posted 11/10/17 6:49pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

I concur, as "hunter" and "hunted" can both have very negative connotations, but I don't think Lovejunky intended to use the words to suggest anything predatory about P.

[Edited 11/10/17 15:23pm]

oh yes and i agree that Lovejunky was not implying anything predatory. i didn't mean my

reflections to convey that i thought so, please excuse my wording if that was the impression

i gave.

Your wording is just fine. I just wanted to be sure that my comments didn't sound critical.

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Reply #25 posted 11/10/17 7:30pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:




anangellooksdown said:


PURPLEIZED3121 said: EXACTLY. I have said this for a long time; that Prince had a lot to protect. He taught the young women he cared about and worked with how to have boundaries.

i think alpha male can be very attractive, comforting and a thing of beauty when that power is weilded


with unresounding love. the same for mother hens swooping in with their protective wing scooping


the chicks under. i love when humanity shows it's most basic instincts of providing, proctecting and


feeding. i love that being in service to animals/livestock


is called "husbandry" the care, feeding, and cultivation. I think in many ways Prince was this "Husband" in his relm. Caring, Feeding and cultivating an enviornment to florish.




Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.



Wow that is really interesting I would love to hear the interview is it posted here on the org, or were you in person? I really like Mr. Hayes. Thanks for sharing Parke’s recollection of Prince the provider.
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Reply #26 posted 11/10/17 8:12pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.

Wow that is really interesting I would love to hear the interview is it posted here on the org, or were you in person? I really like Mr. Hayes. Thanks for sharing Parke’s recollection of Prince the provider.

Yes, the interview is posted on the Org. Steve Parke and Mr. Hayes were at a Picturing Prince book signing event at Barnes and Noble in Edina, MN in September. There are two parts to the interview, but the part about all the responsibility that Prince took on with opening and maintaining Paisley Park is on Part 2, at around the 14:35 mark. I truly enjoyed that entire conversation between the two trusted Prince associates.

Here is the link to the thread, "Video: The New Power Generation's MORRIS HAYES and photographer Steve Parke speak about PRINCE."

http://prince.org/msg/5/448571




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Reply #27 posted 11/10/17 8:32pm

purplefam99

FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:


FlyOnTheWall said:


Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.



Wow that is really interesting I would love to hear the interview is it posted here on the org, or were you in person? I really like Mr. Hayes. Thanks for sharing Parke’s recollection of Prince the provider.

Yes, the interview is posted on the Org. Steve Parke and Mr. Hayes were at a Picturing Prince book signing event at Barnes and Noble in Edina, MN in September. There are two parts to the interview, but the part about all the responsibility that Prince took on with opening and maintaining Paisley Park is on Part 2, at around the 14:35 mark. I truly enjoyed that entire conversation between the two trusted Prince associates.

Here is the link to the thread, "Video: The New Power Generation's MORRIS HAYES and photographer Steve Parke speak about PRINCE."

http://prince.org/msg/5/448571






Thx I’ll give it a listen!!!
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Reply #28 posted 11/10/17 8:35pm

purplefam99

purplefam99 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:



purplefam99 said:


FlyOnTheWall said:


Your choice of the word "husbandry" is interesting to describe what Prince did. I love your metaphor. It makes me think of something Steve Parke said during a recent book talk that was facilitated by Morris Hayes. He said that he was once sitting down with Prince and he was surprised by what he told him. He confided that his life/career was very stressful. He then pointed at all the people milling around and doing their jobs, I believe, there at Paisley Park. "All of these people depend on me to feed their families," he said. I'm paraphrasing, but this was the gist of what Parke said that Prince revealed.

Out of the entire conversation between Parke and Mr. Hayes, that was the most profound thing I took away. In fact, it might just be the takeaway when one thinks of Prince, the "husband." I also heard one of his associates say--I think it was one of the male twin city natives-- that Prince paid a WHOLE LOT of mortgages around Minni and St. Paul.



Wow that is really interesting I would love to hear the interview is it posted here on the org, or were you in person? I really like Mr. Hayes. Thanks for sharing Parke’s recollection of Prince the provider.

Yes, the interview is posted on the Org. Steve Parke and Mr. Hayes were at a Picturing Prince book signing event at Barnes and Noble in Edina, MN in September. There are two parts to the interview, but the part about all the responsibility that Prince took on with opening and maintaining Paisley Park is on Part 2, at around the 14:35 mark. I truly enjoyed that entire conversation between the two trusted Prince associates.

Here is the link to the thread, "Video: The New Power Generation's MORRIS HAYES and photographer Steve Parke speak about PRINCE."

http://prince.org/msg/5/448571






Thx I’ll give it a listen!!!




I get this when I try the link.
UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master

?????
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Reply #29 posted 11/10/17 9:02pm

FlyOnTheWall

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:
Thx I’ll give it a listen!!!
I get this when I try the link. UK availability of GCS2000 and 1999: The New Master ?????

Just copy and paste the URL into your browser. I don't know why it's so hard to direct link Org threads. Here's the link again:


http://prince.org/msg/5/448571

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