Where does one end and one begin?

Which actions since Prince's death feel the most like a balance of both making some money/getting attention and a pride about their time with Prince/appreciation for the man and his music??

What actions since Prince's death feel the most like the actions of people who care little-to-nothing for the man or his legacy and much more for themselves?

[Edited 9/27/17 4:57am]

I don't really judge as much as I want to be able to believe folks when they say that they "love" Prince.

Maybe, it really depends how folks justify their behavior. People can delude themselves and justify some dodgy behavior but their heart is still in the right place. Some people seem like their justifications are quite weak and not particularly convincing and their behavior is even worse.

As for the music, that has been handled kind of badly in my opinion. Its as if Paul McCartney just died and all people can talk about is the first half of his work with the Beatles and they are leaving out all the later day Beatles, the Wings and his solo work -- while replaying "Yesterday" and "A Hard Day's NIght" over and over again. This lack of delving into P's category from everyone from his associates to most of the media is partly why the 'exploitative' actions of others are even more troubling. their excuse might be the probate issue but it seems like they could do a better job of pointing out the lesser known gems in his work. I have my issues with Mayte (her inconsistencies, the timing of her book, and People Magazine article) but she did at least talk about the COmeBack song during an Interview. She knows he wasn't just about Purple Rain.

jaawwnn said:

Its not really our place to judge. I mean, we're only human and we will judge and that's fine but we're on the outside looking in and we don't know what anyone's relationships were really like with him and what constitutes callous exploitation. If you want to say you think Susannah or Mayte or whoever has gone too far so be it, but it does no one any good comparing and ranking these people. I'd be more judgemental of a person who wants to buy a, for example, love letter Prince wrote than the person who wants to sell it. But that's just me, I can see why others see of as betraying something quite personal. IMHO his legacy is his music and I'm more concerned about shitty badly thought out releases with errors than trinkets from his personal life. When the dust settles his music is why anyone cares in the first place. [Edited 9/27/17 5:27am]

It is our place to judge when something is public. Our whole society has gone into this "don't judge me" Well stop doing attention seeking things and keep your business private and no one will judge.

I think in that Ebony interview that Prince did he may his feelings about one ex-girlfriend loud and clear so I am judging her.

jaawwnn said:

Its not really our place to judge. I mean, we're only human and we will judge and that's fine but we're on the outside looking in and we don't know what anyone's relationships were really like with him and what constitutes callous exploitation. If you want to say you think Susannah or Mayte or whoever has gone too far so be it, but it does no one any good comparing and ranking these people. I'd be more judgemental of a person who wants to buy a, for example, love letter Prince wrote than the person who wants to sell it. But that's just me, I can see why others see of as betraying something quite personal. IMHO his legacy is his music and I'm more concerned about shitty badly thought out releases with errors than trinkets from his personal life. When the dust settles his music is why anyone cares in the first place. [Edited 9/27/17 5:27am]

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

laurarichardson said:

It is our place to judge when something is public. Our whole society has gone into this "don't judge me" Well stop doing attention seeking things and keep your business private and no one will judge.

I think in that Ebony interview that Prince did he may his feelings about one ex-girlfriend loud and clear so I am judging her.

SNIP - OF4$

SNIP

laurarichardson said:

No it isn't. It isn't at all.
Just because something is in a media source doesn't mean it is attention seeking.
Anyone here can accuse any of us of 'attention seeking'
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It is all connected if you judge people just because they are famous and feel you have right to their life, you will get it back yourself.

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Prince clearly being in the public eye, did a lot of things for entertainment reasons as well as to get attention ie Slave on the face. I don't think just because he is a celebrity that we have a right to judge him. Same as just because you are known on your street or in the office doesn't give people a right to judge you.

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There is a difference in weighing things vs condemning people.

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They fact that you know you research stuff on people, means you are looking for something to get on someone.

We make it easy to dehumanize people when we do, and the further someone is away from us 'naturally' the nastier we can be with people and we create a more sociapathic society that is less and less empathic

.

'judge not for with the same measure that you meet it out, it shall be measured to you again'

'All fault finders shall have their part in the lake...'

laurarichardson said:

It is our place to judge when something is public. Our whole society has gone into this "don't judge me" Well stop doing attention seeking things and keep your business private and no one will judge.

I think in that Ebony interview that Prince did he may his feelings about one ex-girlfriend loud and clear so I am judging her.

jaawwnn said:

Its not really our place to judge. I mean, we're only human and we will judge and that's fine but we're on the outside looking in and we don't know what anyone's relationships were really like with him and what constitutes callous exploitation. If you want to say you think Susannah or Mayte or whoever has gone too far so be it, but it does no one any good comparing and ranking these people. I'd be more judgemental of a person who wants to buy a, for example, love letter Prince wrote than the person who wants to sell it. But that's just me, I can see why others see of as betraying something quite personal. IMHO his legacy is his music and I'm more concerned about shitty badly thought out releases with errors than trinkets from his personal life. When the dust settles his music is why anyone cares in the first place. [Edited 9/27/17 5:27am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it isn't. It isn't at all.
Just because something is in a media source doesn't mean it is attention seeking.
Anyone here can accuse any of us of 'attention seeking'
.
It is all connected if you judge people just because they are famous and feel you have right to their life, you will get it back yourself.

.

Prince clearly being in the public eye, did a lot of things for entertainment reasons as well as to get attention ie Slave on the face. I don't think just because he is a celebrity that we have a right to judge him. Same as just because you are known on your street or in the office doesn't give people a right to judge you.

.

There is a difference in weighing things vs condemning people.

.

They fact that you know you research stuff on people, means you are looking for something to get on someone.

We make it easy to dehumanize people when we do, and the further someone is away from us 'naturally' the nastier we can be with people and we create a more sociapathic society that is less and less empathic

.

'judge not for with the same measure that you meet it out, it shall be measured to you again'

'All fault finders shall have their part in the lake...'

There's a difference between judgment and discernment too. (Just a thought; not in opposition to what you wrote.) Like, I want to know what I see, but not "judge" it. This helps me choose who is in my universe. I'll admit I'm not perfect with it.

discernment is what I meant with 'weighing' things.

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So we are on the same page.
The English language does have different meaning for the word 'judge(ment)'

a judgement can be a good thing 'judgement in your favor of $100 thousand' or bad of course

And yes we discern(should) people who come into our lives, if they are good for us/safe etc

.

But people go to far and condemn people as is the case with a lot of the people associated with Prince. A few too many us seem to be gettng to spiritual with this. We were told in another thread to 'watch and learn. Listen and be deceived' wtf? If people took this much care in judging their own hearts and intention OMG what a better world and Org we could be

OldFriends4Sale said:

anangellooksdown said:

purplerabbithole said:

Where does one end and one begin?

Which actions since Prince's death feel the most like a balance of both making some money/getting attention and a pride about their time with Prince/appreciation for the man and his music??

What actions since Prince's death feel the most like the actions of people who care little-to-nothing for the man or his legacy and much more for themselves?

->>>> New Power Soul

I realized a long time ago that there are people who make an excuse for anything. So it is what it is.

Everything that is occuring visable and known is not always from a media source.

If I saw you walking down the street "buck naked" I am looking at you live and in living color = no media source. Sorry I am going to judge you and so will law enforcement.

You are not a famous person and you would be judged for your behavior.

No one feels they have a right to someone's life because they do not care for their behavior. They just do not like the manner that they are coducting themselves.

Once again people are going to be judged for their actions be thoses actions good or bad. This is just a part of human interaction.

What do you call reserch going to the auction page was not me reserching anything. The last time I looked it is called reading and listening. No need to look to get something on someone when they are making it obvious and known to the world. No one had to search for what Suzi Q was doing.

I do not have any problem with anyone judging me because I do not think I am beyond judgement.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. John Wooden
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.c...63015.html

Suzi Q should be concerned about her character. I am judging her character.

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it isn't. It isn't at all.
Just because something is in a media source doesn't mean it is attention seeking.
Anyone here can accuse any of us of 'attention seeking'
.
It is all connected if you judge people just because they are famous and feel you have right to their life, you will get it back yourself.

.

Prince clearly being in the public eye, did a lot of things for entertainment reasons as well as to get attention ie Slave on the face. I don't think just because he is a celebrity that we have a right to judge him. Same as just because you are known on your street or in the office doesn't give people a right to judge you.

.

There is a difference in weighing things vs condemning people.

.

They fact that you know you research stuff on people, means you are looking for something to get on someone.

We make it easy to dehumanize people when we do, and the further someone is away from us 'naturally' the nastier we can be with people and we create a more sociapathic society that is less and less empathic

.

'judge not for with the same measure that you meet it out, it shall be measured to you again'

'All fault finders shall have their part in the lake...'

laurarichardson said:

It is our place to judge when something is public. Our whole society has gone into this "don't judge me" Well stop doing attention seeking things and keep your business private and no one will judge.

I think in that Ebony interview that Prince did he may his feelings about one ex-girlfriend loud and clear so I am judging her.

SNIP - OF4$

SNIP off topic bait-OF4$

anangellooksdown said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

discernment is what I meant with 'weighing' things.

.
So we are on the same page.
The English language does have different meaning for the word 'judge(ment)'

a judgement can be a good thing 'judgement in your favor of $100 thousand' or bad of course

And yes we discern(should) people who come into our lives, if they are good for us/safe etc

.

But people go to far and condemn people as is the case with a lot of the people associated with Prince. A few too many us seem to be gettng to spiritual with this. We were told in another thread to 'watch and learn. Listen and be deceived' wtf? If people took this much care in judging their own hearts and intention OMG what a better world and Org we could be

For sure. And I see you covered already what I meant with the discernment. I was just thinking I actually miss the days last year when this forum was so active. It's sort of weird that it's been almost a year and a half since 4/21/16, I even have to put a year in the date now. People are moving ahead and things are changing. I wonder what the future holds for the Purple Family (us)? PP, websites, thenassociates, it's weird to think about. Glad you work so hard to keep the music alive here. In the end, that plus Prince's legacy is really all there will be of this whole thing we've been through. You think?

No it isn't

for a lot of the people they are still in limbo

and 'the party is over' sense of what do I do now lingers

Nothing has changed from before or after, Just because we don't allow a lot of conspiracy stuff to run rampant doesn't mean the org is being censored

laurarichardson said:

People are moving on because of censorship on the board. Half the info out cannot be posted on this board.

anangellooksdown said:

OldFriends4Sale said: For sure. And I see you covered already what I meant with the discernment. I was just thinking I actually miss the days last year when this forum was so active. It's sort of weird that it's been almost a year and a half since 4/21/16, I even have to put a year in the date now. People are moving ahead and things are changing. I wonder what the future holds for the Purple Family (us)? PP, websites, thenassociates, it's weird to think about. Glad you work so hard to keep the music alive here. In the end, that plus Prince's legacy is really all there will be of this whole thing we've been through. You think?

is it easier to 'judge' 'scrutinize' etc women vs men?

anangellooksdown said:

SNIP - OF4$

SNIP - OF4$

laurarichardson said:

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Yes, your example of seeing me walking down the street butt naked is in your actual life. I and AnAngellooks down talked about discernment and judging what is in your 'natural' life

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You are not judging Susannah's character, you are judging her heart based on an action.

The fact that you call her Suzie Q is a blatant example of disrespect.

laurarichardson said:

I realized a long time ago that there are people who make an excuse for anything. So it is what it is.

Everything that is occuring visable and known is not always from a media source.

If I saw you walking down the street "buck naked" I am looking at you live and in living color = no media source. Sorry I am going to judge you and so will law enforcement.

You are not a famous person and you would be judged for your behavior.

No one feels they have a right to someone's life because they do not care for their behavior. They just do not like the manner that they are coducting themselves.

Once again people are going to be judged for their actions be thoses actions good or bad. This is just a part of human interaction.

What do you call reserch going to the auction page was not me reserching anything. The last time I looked it is called reading and listening. No need to look to get something on someone when they are making it obvious and known to the world. No one had to search for what Suzi Q was doing.

I do not have any problem with anyone judging me because I do not think I am beyond judgement.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. John Wooden
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.c...63015.html

Suzi Q should be concerned about her character. I am judging her character.

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it isn't. It isn't at all.
Just because something is in a media source doesn't mean it is attention seeking.
Anyone here can accuse any of us of 'attention seeking'
.
It is all connected if you judge people just because they are famous and feel you have right to their life, you will get it back yourself.

.

Prince clearly being in the public eye, did a lot of things for entertainment reasons as well as to get attention ie Slave on the face. I don't think just because he is a celebrity that we have a right to judge him. Same as just because you are known on your street or in the office doesn't give people a right to judge you.

.

There is a difference in weighing things vs condemning people.

.

They fact that you know you research stuff on people, means you are looking for something to get on someone.

We make it easy to dehumanize people when we do, and the further someone is away from us 'naturally' the nastier we can be with people and we create a more sociapathic society that is less and less empathic

.

'judge not for with the same measure that you meet it out, it shall be measured to you again'

'All fault finders shall have their part in the lake...'

SNIP - OF4S

What is in her heart is a part of her character. I also do not have to respect someone who appears to have no respect for herself, Prince or even his family. Stuff like that cross should go back to his family.

People can and will be judged for their actions. This is never going to change so you need to just accept it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, your example of seeing me walking down the street butt naked is in your actual life. I and AnAngellooks down talked about discernment and judging what is in your 'natural' life

.

You are not judging Susannah's character, you are judging her heart based on an action.

The fact that you call her Suzie Q is a blatant example of disrespect.

laurarichardson said:

I realized a long time ago that there are people who make an excuse for anything. So it is what it is.

Everything that is occuring visable and known is not always from a media source.

If I saw you walking down the street "buck naked" I am looking at you live and in living color = no media source. Sorry I am going to judge you and so will law enforcement.

You are not a famous person and you would be judged for your behavior.

No one feels they have a right to someone's life because they do not care for their behavior. They just do not like the manner that they are coducting themselves.

Once again people are going to be judged for their actions be thoses actions good or bad. This is just a part of human interaction.

What do you call reserch going to the auction page was not me reserching anything. The last time I looked it is called reading and listening. No need to look to get something on someone when they are making it obvious and known to the world. No one had to search for what Suzi Q was doing.

I do not have any problem with anyone judging me because I do not think I am beyond judgement.

"Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are. John Wooden
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.c...63015.html

Suzi Q should be concerned about her character. I am judging her character.

but you would have to know her and know more of her in her real life.
You don't have anything about her to judge her character much less her heart

laurarichardson said:

What is in her heart is a part of her character. I also do not have to respect someone who appears to have no respect for herself, Prince or even his family. Stuff like that cross should go back to his family.

People can and will be judged for their actions. This is never going to change so you need to just accept it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, your example of seeing me walking down the street butt naked is in your actual life. I and AnAngellooks down talked about discernment and judging what is in your 'natural' life

.

You are not judging Susannah's character, you are judging her heart based on an action.

The fact that you call her Suzie Q is a blatant example of disrespect.