But that just proves my point. It is understandable for people to point their fingers at him. I am not saying he guilty of anything. Hopefully, he did everything he could to help Prince. But it is not beyond reason to feel uneasy about Kirk.

AnnaStesia91 said:

purplerabbithole said:

What makes you think it shocked everyone but the MN doctor who cared for him?

I have to ask but why did Kirk get a lawyer right after P died?

Because he already knew what it would LOOK like and people would start pointing fingers. Shit I would've gotten a lawyer too.

purplerabbithole said:

But that just proves my point. It is understandable for people to point their fingers at him. I am not saying he guilty of anything. Hopefully, he did everything he could to help Prince. But it is not beyond reason to feel uneasy about Kirk.

AnnaStesia91 said:

purplerabbithole said: Because he already knew what it would LOOK like and people would start pointing fingers. Shit I would've gotten a lawyer too.

Kirk was wise to retain an attorney. Anyone undergoing police interrogation should have counsel present. That's where we are in this country.

And why was HE under police interrogation? Why not Prince's fellow musicians or cooks or housekeepers? He was close to Prince and would have seen signs of drug usage. I don't think he did anything criminal. But like I said before, where is the indication of any intervention prior to the last weeks or months of Prince's life?

FlyOnTheWall said:

purplerabbithole said:

But that just proves my point. It is understandable for people to point their fingers at him. I am not saying he guilty of anything. Hopefully, he did everything he could to help Prince. But it is not beyond reason to feel uneasy about Kirk.

Kirk was wise to retain an attorney. Anyone undergoing police interrogation should have counsel present. That's where we are in this country.

There is just something about this guy that still rubs me the wrong way. He went from break dancing in Purple Rain to top of the ladder at Paisley/P's right hand man??? Was it always his intent to get close to P from the very beginning?

Are you implying that he rose to the top of the Prince ladder because he was his longtime drug hookup. God I hope not. I really do hope that is not the case. God, what a lonely existance for P if that is the case.

bondno9 said:

There is just something about this guy that still rubs me the wrong way. He went from break dancing in Purple Rain to top of the ladder at Paisley/P's right hand man??? Was it always his intent to get close to P from the very beginning?

Kirk's rise through the ranks to become Prince's longest and most consistent friend/employee is not reason to suspect anything nefarious. From what I've read, Prince was close to KJ's entire family. Kirk was P's best man in his first wedding and his brother performed the ceremony. I think KJ's sister would sometimes cater events at Paisley Park. They were very close.

purplerabbithole said:

Good to hear. Sincerely. I really want people to help me understand all this.

FlyOnTheWall said:

Kirk's rise through the ranks to become Prince's longest and most consistent friend/employee is not reason to suspect anything nefarious. From what I've read, Prince was close to KJ's entire family. Kirk was P's best man in his first wedding and his brother performed the ceremony. I think KJ's sister would sometimes cater events at Paisley Park. They were very close.

Also true. Is it bad that I kind of hope Prince had a disease other than just addiction. Not that I look down on people who have addictions. It just would mean that people were not enabling a long time addiction--instead they were letting him cope with pain the best way he knew how because there was nothing that could be done for him.

laurarichardson said:

If he was so strung out all someone had to do was call the cops on him. purplerabbithole said:

Well, with the exception of the last week of Prince's life, is there any proof or indication that Kirk or anyone else even tried to call someone for professional help. Yes, I know its Prince's fault he died. But we have no proof or even indication of any interventions prior to his first overdose. That's not right.

Its hard for an addict to kick addiction without support and encouragement. Maybe there was some calls made to that one doctor in MN, but those seemed pretty recent as well and I doubt P's addiction started in the first months of 2016. People should have tried harder. Its not like P was someone like Amy Winehouse who had several close calls and OD"s before finally succumbing. it feels like P was enabled for a while before it got out of hand and then people started to panic but it was too late.

[Edited 10/14/16 18:45pm]

purplerabbithole said:

purplerabbithole said:

wavesofbliss said:

donnyenglish said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Kirk's rise through the ranks to become Prince's longest and most consistent friend/employee is not reason to suspect anything nefarious. From what I've read, Prince was close to KJ's entire family. Kirk was P's best man in his first wedding and his brother performed the ceremony. I think KJ's sister would sometimes cater events at Paisley Park. They were very close.

Was P close to KJ's family during filming of Purple Rain or after Kirky rose through the ranks?

donnyenglish said:

wavesofbliss said:

everyone but Tyka, apparently. i maintain what i havesaid for the beginning; there is no way kj and mb DON"T know the deal. and there is no way that they didn't help get the stuff for him. only jesus christ himself will convince me otherwise. does that mean that they will be charged? who knows, but KJ and MB know the deal and have known for awhile.

I hear you, but Tamron was one of his best friends in the world and she had no clue. She wasn't an employee and certainly has her own mind. She saw no signs. MB was really just a young person that ran his errands. KJ was his good friend, but still an employee so there is a certain level of distance that is going to be there. The people who were his friends like Tamron and Van Jones had no clue. I can see Tyka knowing because she was his sister. Here is the thing. Prince told us in several songs and at several concerts and we still didnt know. We cant blame those close to him. I do blame the minnesota doctor.

Van Jones and Tamryn Hall didn't see Prince on a day to day basis. Tamryn said that she talked to him every day on the phone. MB and KJ on the other hand, were around P pretty much all the time so I would say that they would be the ones to know better than anyone what was going on.

bondno9 said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Kirk's rise through the ranks to become Prince's longest and most consistent friend/employee is not reason to suspect anything nefarious. From what I've read, Prince was close to KJ's entire family. Kirk was P's best man in his first wedding and his brother performed the ceremony. I think KJ's sister would sometimes cater events at Paisley Park. They were very close.

Was P close to KJ's family during filming of Purple Rain or after Kirky rose through the ranks?

I believe that I read KJ was a dancer in PR and he and P became friends after.

The entire tribute concert was a tepid, lame, disaster and since it's almost Halloween, it's only appropriate that Frankenstein should attend.

I was alway a little uncertain about the extent of the MN doctor's involvement. Was P back in MN in the first week of April?

KJ getting a lawyer would seem less suspicious if it weren't for the fact that he went on vacation around the same time. There are other explanations for both things he did other than criminal wrongdoing but the two together do cast a little doubt for me. However, he being back in charge at Paisley and at the tribute looks good for him because if there was a real possibility of charges against him, I doubt he would be bold enough to carry on within Paisley.

donnyenglish said:

purplerabbithole said:

What makes you think it shocked everyone but the MN doctor who cared for him?

I have to ask but why did Kirk get a lawyer right after P died?

That doctor cared for him when he cancelled the Atlanta show the first week in April and cared for him after the Molone incident and cared for him the night before his passing and who was on his way to Paisley on the morning of April 21. He was the one person who was well aware of Prince's physical condition. If I have any anger, it is the fact that the doctor left Prince alone that night. Perhaps Prince refused treatment, but the doctor seemed to think Prince was stable enough to be left alone. He thought wrong. He got a lawyer because there was an investigation and he was being questioned by police. Everyone should do that. He cooperated and answered all questions and is not suspected of any wrong doing. [Edited 10/16/16 3:37am]

funksterr said:

funksterr said:

NinaB said:

Purplebflogirl said:

NinaB said:

Purplebflogirl said:

NinaB said:

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

I hear you, but Tamron was one of his best friends in the world and she had no clue. She wasn't an employee and certainly has her own mind. She saw no signs. MB was really just a young person that ran his errands. KJ was his good friend, but still an employee so there is a certain level of distance that is going to be there. The people who were his friends like Tamron and Van Jones had no clue. I can see Tyka knowing because she was his sister. Here is the thing. Prince told us in several songs and at several concerts and we still didnt know. We cant blame those close to him. I do blame the minnesota doctor.

What did Prince tell us?

true, except P's behavior would be altered at least a little bit by constant pill usage. Outer circles may attribute weird behavior to typical Prince eccentricity. But I would assume that the inner circle would notice the shifts in his behavior.

803 said:

NinaB said:

I know, I've clocked all that, but I still think P had close peep who I know nothing of & I've no idea of how he procured the black market pain killers.

I have no idea how he procured the pills but a recent Wall Street journal might shed some light.. The article was about mom and pop counterfeit pill operations in the u.s. It described how easy it to get the presses, supplies, etc; set up a site to sell them on the dark web; accept Bitcoin for payment and then ship them out by a legit delivery service like fed x or ups..it would be easy to set up an ups mail box, order the stuff and have it delivered. No one would ever know.

803 said: