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Reply #30 posted 09/30/16 7:43am

teach49

LEATHRSAIL said:

This woman is delusional! She doesn't hold any copyright on any of this. I am sure she was paid to be in the SOTT movie or music videos. The copyright most likely held with PRN Productions or WB or both. If Woody Allen died without a will, the copyright would then pass with his estate. It wouldn't pass to every actor, soundtrack musician, hairdresser, or costume designer. If you were hired by Woody Allen, paid by Woody Allen the copyright would pass with his estate. Same holds true in this case.

For still photography, the copyright stays with the photographer. Note that the pictures of Prince taken by Steve Park or Jeff Katz hold their watermark. Just like if you hire a wedding photographer. The photographer holds the copyright. They give you proofs, and you order prints from the photographer. Want more prints? You have to order them from the photographer. Photographers don't hand clients the film or negatives (film is the way it would have been done in the 80's) Unless Prince paid the photographers for the copyrights. But good luck in finding a photographer that would be willing to turn that over to prince. Unless Cat Glover entered into a TFP contract with the photographer. TFP stands for Time For Pay or Time For Product. In this agreement both parties acknowledge nether party (model or photographer) has received compensation or consideration. (Consideration could be stocks, real estate or services. Generally something of worth or value) Both parties then hold equal use of the photographs to promote themselves. But if either party wants to use the photos for profit, they can't do that without written consent from the other party. Seeing that the photos she did for Prince was used to help make money for him. This wouldn't be a TFP situation.

For any music created with Prince. This again is the person who wrote the lyrics and music. It is know that Prince would use things that people wrote and not properly compensate them for that. I cant see Cat being one of those people. Even if she was someone who did write something that prince used. The burden of proof would fall on her to prove it. As an example. Prince did a show last January at PP. During the show he talked about how he met Lisa. He also talked about how during a jam, Lisa came up with the music for Raspberry Beret. Well, she is not getting proper credit for this. She could use this audio recording to sue the estate for back royalties. She could argue she had no proof in the past, and it would have been her word against his. But the audio recording is now proof that supports what Wendy & Lisa have said all along. Cat would have to come up with this kind of proof.

She has nothing to stand on here......

You are correct. However, photographers must get photo releases from those in the photographs in order to use them professionally. I can't imagine they didn't get one from her for all of her P-related work, but if they didn't, she does have claim not for copyright, but to ask that her image not be used. I don't know a professional photographer who would not get proper releases, however. The only exception to this rule is photojournalists, who do NOT need your permission if they are covering a news story...

But, as I said, I can't imagine she didn't sign releases or P would have had people coming out of the woodwork.

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Reply #31 posted 10/08/16 11:08am

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teach49 said:



LEATHRSAIL said:


This woman is delusional! She doesn't hold any copyright on any of this. I am sure she was paid to be in the SOTT movie or music videos. The copyright most likely held with PRN Productions or WB or both. If Woody Allen died without a will, the copyright would then pass with his estate. It wouldn't pass to every actor, soundtrack musician, hairdresser, or costume designer. If you were hired by Woody Allen, paid by Woody Allen the copyright would pass with his estate. Same holds true in this case.


For still photography, the copyright stays with the photographer. Note that the pictures of Prince taken by Steve Park or Jeff Katz hold their watermark. Just like if you hire a wedding photographer. The photographer holds the copyright. They give you proofs, and you order prints from the photographer. Want more prints? You have to order them from the photographer. Photographers don't hand clients the film or negatives (film is the way it would have been done in the 80's) Unless Prince paid the photographers for the copyrights. But good luck in finding a photographer that would be willing to turn that over to prince. Unless Cat Glover entered into a TFP contract with the photographer. TFP stands for Time For Pay or Time For Product. In this agreement both parties acknowledge nether party (model or photographer) has received compensation or consideration. (Consideration could be stocks, real estate or services. Generally something of worth or value) Both parties then hold equal use of the photographs to promote themselves. But if either party wants to use the photos for profit, they can't do that without written consent from the other party. Seeing that the photos she did for Prince was used to help make money for him. This wouldn't be a TFP situation.


For any music created with Prince. This again is the person who wrote the lyrics and music. It is know that Prince would use things that people wrote and not properly compensate them for that. I cant see Cat being one of those people. Even if she was someone who did write something that prince used. The burden of proof would fall on her to prove it. As an example. Prince did a show last January at PP. During the show he talked about how he met Lisa. He also talked about how during a jam, Lisa came up with the music for Raspberry Beret. Well, she is not getting proper credit for this. She could use this audio recording to sue the estate for back royalties. She could argue she had no proof in the past, and it would have been her word against his. But the audio recording is now proof that supports what Wendy & Lisa have said all along. Cat would have to come up with this kind of proof.


She has nothing to stand on here.....



You are correct. However, photographers must get photo releases from those in the photographs in order to use them professionally. I can't imagine they didn't get one from her for all of her P-related work, but if they didn't, she does have claim not for copyright, but to ask that her image not be used. I don't know a professional photographer who would not get proper releases, however. The only exception to this rule is photojournalists, who do NOT need your permission if they are covering a news story...



But, as I said, I can't imagine she didn't sign releases or P would have had people coming out of the woodwork.


-/ I am sure she signed a release concerning the photos and if she does not have the copyright on the music she has no say.
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Reply #32 posted 10/08/16 11:54pm

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I would have to say .............some are saying it's a money issue....and even if it is ...........or if it's not............

Cat was amazing with P i'm all for her making sure she get's some funds from it (all) ....seems cause Cat was a dancer .......

some seem to frown on her ???? Or act as if she is or/was less then..... ?

She was a great inspiration to P and had great ....flow with him...to be honest .... some his better ..... creations far as a dance collab was with Cat

Aand i'm sure she was singing ......or had some hand in...some music/ song too far as work etc........ I say... so what's the issue with her saying her piece ??? i noticed even when she asked for some her there was a lot of neg .....heat coming from some the orgers ... but for what ???

So I say .....GO Cat !!!!!

If it's just she don't want to be part of a (let's Go crazy ) issue/s or......... want some funds for work.......whether paid for some danceing or worked some singing and other projects etc........

that she may......... have not got paid for..

But hoped to see the.....those things getting used.......or released andthen get paid.......and they never did

And now has become a part of the estate ......... or may become .......then who are we to judge and say what shouldn't and shouldn't ????

I mean for real??? it's her history tooand she still here inthe living....I say GO CAT ... DO YOU!!!!

some folk saying well she got paid.......... thats real big huge satement t makewhen u don't know that for sure!!!

Blessings... always Love HoneyBabe ..I support you my sista and African American Dancing Queen

P.S. P faught for his why not....Yes....respect & honor and when will we be Paid.......... if you want that too..

Smiling Makes Joy Come Alive........and Joy can never die .........yes
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Reply #33 posted 10/09/16 6:50am

malbena

She is by far my most memorable dancer. Her energy on stage was incredible. Her toned body, facial expressions, and energetic movements were captivating. Although wearing little at times, she still did not look overly sexual due to her petite stature. A woman she was but not a sexual object walking around on stage. She is a dancer, a true one. biggrin

As for her motives in not wanting to appear in any related events post Prince death without her consent, it is her decision and one I won't judge about. But what I can say is how I appreciate her not speaking up for the sole purpose of being seen and respecting Prince's privacy.

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
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Reply #34 posted 10/09/16 6:51am

malbena

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I've always liked Cat. She never sold him out either.

Totally agree! hug

This is my normal life. These marital standards cannot be recreated with money.
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Reply #35 posted 10/09/16 8:14am

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malbena said:



NinaB said:


I've always liked Cat. She never sold him out either.


Totally agree! hug


Best dancer, good personality, never vain or arrogant. hug
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #36 posted 10/09/16 8:30pm

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malbena said:

She is by far my most memorable dancer. Her energy on stage was incredible. Her toned body, facial expressions, and energetic movements were captivating. Although wearing little at times, she still did not look overly sexual due to her petite stature. A woman she was but not a sexual object walking around on stage. She is a dancer, a true one. biggrin

As for her motives in not wanting to appear in any related events post Prince death without her consent, it is her decision and one I won't judge about. But what I can say is how I appreciate her not speaking up for the sole purpose of being seen and respecting Prince's privacy.

Exactly

Smiling Makes Joy Come Alive........and Joy can never die .........yes
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