How old are most of the Prince fans? The shelf life for Morrs, The Time and Sheila might be another five to 10 years. Might. That is working small clubs, oldies shows, etc. Their careers have not exactly lit the world on fire. Same will hold true for all the other protegees, girlfriends, and hangers-on: without The Boss around, there is no chance for a big payday. They have to sign on for the work now, while he is in the news, albeit for a tragic reason. It is very sad. As for PP: I am still doubtful it will work. Artists can record at home or in warm weather cities like LA or Miami. They don't need the snow a good part of the year. If Jay-Z or Diddy or someone like that bought PP, then I could see it becoming a recording powerhouse again.

babynoz said:

malbena said:

My!...How many more of these are we going to have?

I dunno but the show is over for me because Prince isn't here. I have yet to patronize anything posthumously from MJ's career and it will be the same with Prince I guess.

I agree with this EXCEPT that I will probably (at some point) do a Paisley Park tour.

What would really make me happy (performance-wise) would be if they set up the soundstage at Paisley to show concert films. (Because you know that man recorded everything.) Can you imagine seeing Sign O The Times there? Or the 1986 Detroit birthday show?

Genesia said:

babynoz said:

I dunno but the show is over for me because Prince isn't here. I have yet to patronize anything posthumously from MJ's career and it will be the same with Prince I guess.

I agree with this EXCEPT that I will probably (at some point) do a Paisley Park tour.

What would really make me happy (performance-wise) would be if they set up the soundstage at Paisley to show concert films. (Because you know that man recorded everything.) Can you imagine seeing Sign O The Times there? Or the 1986 Detroit birthday show?

Yep, that would be good, and stream music from the vault as you do the tour, people would book multiple tours to hear more !!!

Genesia said:

babynoz said:

I dunno but the show is over for me because Prince isn't here. I have yet to patronize anything posthumously from MJ's career and it will be the same with Prince I guess.

I agree with this EXCEPT that I will probably (at some point) do a Paisley Park tour.

What would really make me happy (performance-wise) would be if they set up the soundstage at Paisley to show concert films. (Because you know that man recorded everything.) Can you imagine seeing Sign O The Times there? Or the 1986 Detroit birthday show?

I could do the tour if they still have it in 2017. That is a great idea about showing concert films. Never before seen and rare footage would be a big draw too.

1Sasha said:

How old are most of the Prince fans? The shelf life for Morrs, The Time and Sheila might be another five to 10 years. Might. That is working small clubs, oldies shows, etc. Their careers have not exactly lit the world on fire. Same will hold true for all the other protegees, girlfriends, and hangers-on: without The Boss around, there is no chance for a big payday. They have to sign on for the work now, while he is in the news, albeit for a tragic reason. It is very sad. As for PP: I am still doubtful it will work. Artists can record at home or in warm weather cities like LA or Miami. They don't need the snow a good part of the year. If Jay-Z or Diddy or someone like that bought PP, then I could see it becoming a recording powerhouse again.

I always thought an average Prince fan is around their late 40s to late 50s. I am just going on 36 and I became a Prince fan in the mid-90s as a preteen and people thought it was weird of me liking Prince and he was consider a hasbeen in the mid-90s to an average late Gen-X and early millennial.

I dont think Oct 13 is going to happen. Bummer too because even though it took me a month to start to healing process of P's death, still that would been a good closure. So far I still havent gotten a closure.

ecnirp98 said:

femaletrouble said:

That didn't take long, did it?

The so called friends/collaborators are really cashing in on his death. Using his legacy so they can boost their own careers. Such a shame...

And Sheila is just milking this situation. Speaking out against the estate saying it's too soon to open Paisley Park while she's cashing in on all of

the so called tributes and selling merchandise with his symbol. Going from one tv show to another, promoting her cruise, shirts, concerts, and even her

book which came out 3 years ago!

And then repeating the same ole lines how she influenced Prince, how she already knew who she was back in '79. She's really trying too hard and it's looking very sad

and a bit delusional for a woman who's going to be 60 soon. And even when she was asked about his hip condition/ pain, she twisted the whole thing to herself saying she's in

pain also.

It really looks like they are just trying to re-vitalize their careers ( which are btw, frozen in time), not paying tributes. Opportunism.

Let's face it, if there was no Prince, she would be just a session musician like she was before. In other words, ALL of them had the opportunity to record albums, songs

post Prince, post the 80s, post their collaboratin and show their musical greatness... Where are these albums, songs or even a song?

And let's be frank, about 4 or 5 years ago, when Prince was still alive, when she was doing interviews she was not particularly positive about him, again dimishing

his influence on her career. I mean, come on!

I don't even want to get into "Girl meets Boy"... and the pompous mentioning how she's not profiting from it.

Yeah, but it's the first time she was on Larry King in her career... and again all because of him and sadly, because of his death.

Like her book; who would even want to buy it if there wasn't for her story with Prince!

And all of these years she's trying really hard to deny, reduce, diminish his influence, impact, contribution on her career.

Disloyal. Disrespectful. Insincere. Even Apollonia came out as more genuine.

Also going to a dozen of these talk shows and besides the obvious and blasphemous promotion, not really saying much besides the usual showbiz

phrases, cliches.

When he died she went to tv and was talking about the same story from the book- the engagement, like a parrot, like she was again promoting her book!

I mean if reporters, journalists are being aholes, vultures and hypocritical and they're promoting sensationalism you don't have to play that game, especially if

you're in the business for 30+ years. You can be a decent, sincere human being if you truly are one.

And that tattoo always in the forefront, and her facebook posts ,which she quadrupled!

I lost respect for her.

It's very sad to see that in the end it's all about money, not music, not his legacy, not friendship, not empathy, dignity.

Sadly (or not) I've seen better tributes coming from fans all over the world and other musicians who were not directly affiiated with Prn or Paisley Park.

So, perhaps now it's easier to see why Prince "ditched" so many of the people he made famous.

Disappointed.

"But you better watch out, they'll kiss you until they get what you got
And they'll show you the friends that they're not
Old friends 4 sale"

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

and with Prince's 'people' still blocking access to his videos(I'm just talking about the released stuff) I wonder how Prince's legacy can survive, if things remain like this for long. Just the few hits played on some radio stations. Real fan stations that played nothing but Prince are under the gun.

I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. Only the medium to hardcore fan bases.

The record sale will die down very soon enough.

I would still rather the people who were a part of the Purple Rain or any other musical periods with Prince, keep the music alive vs Nikki Minage Britney Spears and Rhiannah doing Vanity 6 tributes and other non committed 'fun' groups like Princess

Will the Prince community still be underground in another 5 yrs...

OldFriends4Sale said:

ecnirp98 said:

I agree with most of what you say here, i feel the timing of this is all too soon and the using of Princes name/Purple Rain etc is just too milk it. If they were doing these events/concerts and donating all profits to one of Prince's charitys etc it would feel better.

In defence of Sheila E and the other associated artists, they were in Prince's control, at his whim almost, with Prince deciding what they got to record/release etc (we all know how he could be with changing his mind and was self centred), so you can understand some resentment/jealousy, so now Prince is gone, he does not have that control/legal power, so they are coming out to use what they have and make money on the back of it. Prince will always be regarded as a talented musician in the music business, but his legacy has a limited lifespan to the casual music fan compared to someone like Michael Jackson/Elvis, so I guess they are milking it while Prince is still current.

and with Prince's 'people' still blocking access to his videos(I'm just talking about the released stuff) I wonder how Prince's legacy can survive, if things remain like this for long. Just the few hits played on some radio stations. Real fan stations that played nothing but Prince are under the gun.

I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. Only the medium to hardcore fan bases.

The record sale will die down very soon enough.

I would still rather the people who were a part of the Purple Rain or any other musical periods with Prince, keep the music alive vs Nikki Minage Britney Spears and Rhiannah doing Vanity 6 tributes and other non committed 'fun' groups like Princess

Will the Prince community still be underground in another 5 yrs...

The estate has to be settled before they can do anything with the music. His legacy will be fine once they start releasing music which is the only way to bring in real money.

If the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing for the last 20 years who were all those people at the Musicology shows? Who were all those people at the O2 shows? Who are all those people at the dozens of European shows on YOUTUBE right now? Who were all those people at the Oracle arena in Oakland back in February?

I honestly wonder if some people on this board have been living under a rock.

FlyOnTheWall said:

ecnirp98 said:

Yes, time will tell I guess, I hope Paisley Park and the associated properties survive as a legacy for Prince and can operate as businesses, whatever their context. With music being recorded/distrubuted cheaply online now, Paisley Park is fairly unique in the music world, there will be less of the grand studios for artists built now.

That's true, but I don't see the studios being working ones, not to any large degree. The bulk of the revenue from PP will be from tours, concessions (food and beverages), and memorabilia. There are also HUGE licensing fees to be made. Then there are music and film royalties, not to mention the sale of previously unreleased music. I just think, if the estate manages it properly, it could be a cash cow like nothing we've seen before in posthumous entertainer revenue streams. P. left behind a VAST EMPIRE.

[Edited 9/11/16 13:23pm]

Exactly one of the Breamer attorneys in the court papers described the estate as a vast entertainment empire. Many financial matters have been sealed by the court so we have no idea what he had going on.

funksterr said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

If it's true that Morris wasn't paid for Purple Rain, why didn't his "people" negotiate a better deal with Warner Bros.? And, which tour did Sheila leave with a million dollar debt? Also, very importantly, do you have a source for these claims? If so, a link or two would be nice.

Prince's "people" were their "people". There are numerous Prince biographies that detail this stuff.

I have never heard anyone say Morris was not paid for Purple Rain. We know he was high out of his ass and kept people waiting and did not show up a few times. Maybe his salary was docked for screwing up the production and he worked with Prince many times after Purple Rain. Why keep working for someone who did not pay you?

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

and with Prince's 'people' still blocking access to his videos(I'm just talking about the released stuff) I wonder how Prince's legacy can survive, if things remain like this for long. Just the few hits played on some radio stations. Real fan stations that played nothing but Prince are under the gun.

I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. Only the medium to hardcore fan bases.

The record sale will die down very soon enough.

I would still rather the people who were a part of the Purple Rain or any other musical periods with Prince, keep the music alive vs Nikki Minage Britney Spears and Rhiannah doing Vanity 6 tributes and other non committed 'fun' groups like Princess

Will the Prince community still be underground in another 5 yrs...

The estate has to be settled before they can do anything with the music. His legacy will be fine once they start releasing music which is the only way to bring in real money.

If the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing for the last 20 years who were all those people at the Musicology shows? Who were all those people at the O2 shows? Who are all those people at the dozens of European shows on YOUTUBE right now? Who were all those people at the Oracle arena in Oakland back in February?

I honestly wonder if some people on this board have been living under a rock.

the people at the shows were fans.

I know people who go to shows but don't know albums Prince released in the last 10 yrs
I talked to a woman the other day (she had a symbol tat on her shoulder) "Oh your a Prince fan, me too" her reply was that was a fan of Prince live, but she didn't know many albums in the last 15 yrs+

You really post and say things as if you live under a rock.
Hardcore fans

Medium fans
Mediocre fans

I had people calling me up who saw Prince live, after April 21st who wanted to go out for a drink, and when I aske them about what albums they own... They own NONE. Some who know nothing of videos and albums within the last 20yrs

So the people living under a rock would be those people to some degree.

Takes some of that saltiness out of your posts.

Youtube concerts videos and songs are being forced to be removed. People cannot easily access Prince videos and it has been like that for the last 20yrs. The Org was forced to removed Prince photos from the Photo section, are you living under a rock?

[Edited 9/15/16 6:03am]

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

The estate has to be settled before they can do anything with the music. His legacy will be fine once they start releasing music which is the only way to bring in real money.

If the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing for the last 20 years who were all those people at the Musicology shows? Who were all those people at the O2 shows? Who are all those people at the dozens of European shows on YOUTUBE right now? Who were all those people at the Oracle arena in Oakland back in February?

I honestly wonder if some people on this board have been living under a rock.

the people at the shows were fans.

I know people who go to shows but don't know albums Prince released in the last 10 yrs
I talked to a woman the other day (she had a symbol tat on her shoulder) "Oh your a Prince fan, me too" her reply was that was a fan of Prince live, but she didn't know many albums in the last 15 yrs+

You really post and say things as if you live under a rock.
Hardcore fans

Medium fans
Mediocre fans

I had people calling me up who saw Prince live, after April 21st who wanted to go out for a drink, and when I aske them about what albums they own... They own NONE. Some who know nothing of videos and albums within the last 20yrs

So the people living under a rock would be those people to some degree.

Takes some of that saltiness out of your posts.

Youtube concerts videos and songs are being forced to be removed. People cannot easily access Prince videos and it has been like that for the last 20yrs. The Org was forced to removed Prince photos from the Photo section, are you living under a rock?

[Edited 9/15/16 6:03am]

1) People who go to concerts are usually fans or did I miss something ( WTF are trying to say )

2) 18,000 people went to the Oracle Arena to hear a guy play an acoustic piano at high ticket prices and short notice. Obviously people who did not know what he was doing the last 10 years were not fans. Plenty of other artists do not put out records at all or simply cannot get radio play but their fans go to their concerts. Prince was not any different than any other musical performers who are at the later part of their career. You do know he made 80k on the Musicology tour and that Live Nation have been trying to get him to do a big arena tour for the last couple of years. Promoters do not come to artist for big arena tours if they do not think the public has an interest.

3) Yes, those people would be living under a rock. You can actually go to Amazon.com or I-tunes and find Prince’s music. The independent stuff is harder to get a hold of but I suspect he was good with the tradeoff of having some freedom to release what he wanted knowing he would not have the best distribution. I am sorry if people can find Whip Na Na they can find Prince music to purchase.

4) It has been said time and time again that once the estate is settle we are going to get unreleased music the estate is sitting on a gold mine but estates have to go thru probate before they can monetize. Prince kept control of his copyrights because he knew his music was valuable and you may not know this but a vast amount of his photos he also copyrighted. In the future if you want a photo of Prince you are going to have to pay and if you want music you will have to pay. We will see music and other content pulled from the internet much more so than Prince was able to do to make money for the estate. Now if you have not figured this out yet you need to get out from under your rock.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the people at the shows were fans.

I know people who go to shows but don't know albums Prince released in the last 10 yrs
I talked to a woman the other day (she had a symbol tat on her shoulder) "Oh your a Prince fan, me too" her reply was that was a fan of Prince live, but she didn't know many albums in the last 15 yrs+

You really post and say things as if you live under a rock.
Hardcore fans

Medium fans
Mediocre fans

I had people calling me up who saw Prince live, after April 21st who wanted to go out for a drink, and when I aske them about what albums they own... They own NONE. Some who know nothing of videos and albums within the last 20yrs

So the people living under a rock would be those people to some degree.

Takes some of that saltiness out of your posts.

Youtube concerts videos and songs are being forced to be removed. People cannot easily access Prince videos and it has been like that for the last 20yrs. The Org was forced to removed Prince photos from the Photo section, are you living under a rock?

[Edited 9/15/16 6:03am]

1) People who go to concerts are usually fans or did I miss something ( WTF are trying to say )

2) 18,000 people went to the Oracle Arena to hear a guy play an acoustic piano at high ticket prices and short notice. Obviously people who did not know what he was doing the last 10 years were not fans. Plenty of other artists do not put out records at all or simply cannot get radio play but their fans go to their concerts. Prince was not any different than any other musical performers who are at the later part of their career. You do know he made 80k on the Musicology tour and that Live Nation have been trying to get him to do a big arena tour for the last couple of years. Promoters do not come to artist for big arena tours if they do not think the public has an interest.

3) Yes, those people would be living under a rock. You can actually go to Amazon.com or I-tunes and find Prince’s music. The independent stuff is harder to get a hold of but I suspect he was good with the tradeoff of having some freedom to release what he wanted knowing he would not have the best distribution. I am sorry if people can find Whip Na Na they can find Prince music to purchase.

4) It has been said time and time again that once the estate is settle we are going to get unreleased music the estate is sitting on a gold mine but estates have to go thru probate before they can monetize. Prince kept control of his copyrights because he knew his music was valuable and you may not know this but a vast amount of his photos he also copyrighted. In the future if you want a photo of Prince you are going to have to pay and if you want music you will have to pay. We will see music and other content pulled from the internet much more so than Prince was able to do to make money for the estate. Now if you have not figured this out yet you need to get out from under your rock.

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?
Only the medium to hardcore fan bases know about most of Prince's albums.
Maybe u should not reply with the salty intent to try to set someone straight. Before you understand. Prince musical legacy is much more than his concerts(where he played mostly the hits) His legacy is bigger than his fan base.
Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

And we dont know what we are going to get from the Vault. No one really knows what will/will not happen with that.

I'm talking about more than an 02 show.

[Edited 9/15/16 10:17am]

I have no problem paying for videos on the internet. If there was a Prince channel and I had to pay, I would. I would love it to be in chronological order, starting with the 70s. How fantastic would it be? That being said, new Prince fans won't be brought in if they have to pay to see him in the beginning. I go to the official Rolling Stones "channel" on YouTube and watch their videos all the time. They're great live. The Estate is losing precious time. I know it was Prince's fault - no will, no trust. I get it. But he'll fade from memory if he can't be seen.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

1) People who go to concerts are usually fans or did I miss something ( WTF are trying to say )

2) 18,000 people went to the Oracle Arena to hear a guy play an acoustic piano at high ticket prices and short notice. Obviously people who did not know what he was doing the last 10 years were not fans. Plenty of other artists do not put out records at all or simply cannot get radio play but their fans go to their concerts. Prince was not any different than any other musical performers who are at the later part of their career. You do know he made 80k on the Musicology tour and that Live Nation have been trying to get him to do a big arena tour for the last couple of years. Promoters do not come to artist for big arena tours if they do not think the public has an interest.

3) Yes, those people would be living under a rock. You can actually go to Amazon.com or I-tunes and find Prince’s music. The independent stuff is harder to get a hold of but I suspect he was good with the tradeoff of having some freedom to release what he wanted knowing he would not have the best distribution. I am sorry if people can find Whip Na Na they can find Prince music to purchase.

4) It has been said time and time again that once the estate is settle we are going to get unreleased music the estate is sitting on a gold mine but estates have to go thru probate before they can monetize. Prince kept control of his copyrights because he knew his music was valuable and you may not know this but a vast amount of his photos he also copyrighted. In the future if you want a photo of Prince you are going to have to pay and if you want music you will have to pay. We will see music and other content pulled from the internet much more so than Prince was able to do to make money for the estate. Now if you have not figured this out yet you need to get out from under your rock.

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?
Only the medium to hardcore fan bases know about most of Prince's albums.
Maybe u should not reply with the salty intent to try to set someone straight. Before you understand. Prince musical legacy is much more than his concerts(where he played mostly the hits) His legacy is bigger than his fan base.
Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

And we dont know what we are going to get from the Vault. No one really knows what will/will not happen with that.

I'm talking about more than an 02 show.

[Edited 9/15/16 10:17am]

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing it is total bullshit. Did the public not notice him at the Superbowl, Musicology, O2, The residency in Vegas, Essence Fest, Welcome To America Tour, All of the touring he did in Europe and the states?

His concerts are a large part of his legacy that is when people got to actually to see him and despite what you are saying he actuallly did have music that did chart over the last 20 years with little or no radio airplay. So someone brought that music.

--

Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

Yes, they can go to Youtube and a half a dozen other sites and look all day. You can go to Amazon.com and buy live in Las Vegas and Rave Live in concert and unfortunatly a half a dozen other bootleg videos.

We know that his estate will be monetized so we know we are going to get music and videos. What we don't know is when. People will not be forgetting Prince anytime soon.

1Sasha said:

I have no problem paying for videos on the internet. If there was a Prince channel and I had to pay, I would. I would love it to be in chronological order, starting with the 70s. How fantastic would it be? That being said, new Prince fans won't be brought in if they have to pay to see him in the beginning. I go to the official Rolling Stones "channel" on YouTube and watch their videos all the time. They're great live. The Estate is losing precious time. I know it was Prince's fault - no will, no trust. I get it. But he'll fade from memory if he can't be seen.

But he is being seen. As fast as they take things down things go back up. Eventrully, they will get most of it down and actually put out videos and music that people will have to purchase.

The estate cannot make money by giving music and video away and legally that is what Breamer is suppose to do. Make the estate make money.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?
Only the medium to hardcore fan bases know about most of Prince's albums.
Maybe u should not reply with the salty intent to try to set someone straight. Before you understand. Prince musical legacy is much more than his concerts(where he played mostly the hits) His legacy is bigger than his fan base.
Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

And we dont know what we are going to get from the Vault. No one really knows what will/will not happen with that.

I'm talking about more than an 02 show.

[Edited 9/15/16 10:17am]

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing it is total bullshit. Did the public not notice him at the Superbowl, Musicology, O2, The residency in Vegas, Essence Fest, Welcome To America Tour, All of the touring he did in Europe and the states?

His concerts are a large part of his legacy that is when people got to actually to see him and despite what you are saying he actuallly did have music that did chart over the last 20 years with little or no radio airplay. So someone brought that music.

--

Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

Yes, they can go to Youtube and a half a dozen other sites and look all day. You can go to Amazon.com and buy live in Las Vegas and Rave Live in concert and unfortunatly a half a dozen other bootleg videos.

We know that his estate will be monetized so we know we are going to get music and videos. What we don't know is when. People will not be forgetting Prince anytime soon.

Yeah um your totally trying to argue

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

and with Prince's 'people' still blocking access to his videos(I'm just talking about the released stuff) I wonder how Prince's legacy can survive, if things remain like this for long. Just the few hits played on some radio stations. Real fan stations that played nothing but Prince are under the gun.

I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. Only the medium to hardcore fan bases.

The record sale will die down very soon enough.

I would still rather the people who were a part of the Purple Rain or any other musical periods with Prince, keep the music alive vs Nikki Minage Britney Spears and Rhiannah doing Vanity 6 tributes and other non committed 'fun' groups like Princess

Will the Prince community still be underground in another 5 yrs...

The estate has to be settled before they can do anything with the music. His legacy will be fine once they start releasing music which is the only way to bring in real money.

If the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing for the last 20 years who were all those people at the Musicology shows? Who were all those people at the O2 shows? Who are all those people at the dozens of European shows on YOUTUBE right now? Who were all those people at the Oracle arena in Oakland back in February?

I honestly wonder if some people on this board have been living under a rock.

People were going to Prince shows because they remember the 80's hits, when I went to quite a few of the O2 shows I chatted to a few people around me and most hadn't bought Prince albums since the 80's, he was one of the great performers, so people went along to watch and had a good time, that's why he kept playing the hits and didn't focus on his recent albums, he knew the majority of the audience wanted Purple Rain/When Doves Cry/Kiss etc, the fans on here used to moan they wanted more raritys and new stuff, but we were in the minority.

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[Edited 9/16/16 5:25am]

ecnirp98 said:

laurarichardson said:

The estate has to be settled before they can do anything with the music. His legacy will be fine once they start releasing music which is the only way to bring in real money.

If the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing for the last 20 years who were all those people at the Musicology shows? Who were all those people at the O2 shows? Who are all those people at the dozens of European shows on YOUTUBE right now? Who were all those people at the Oracle arena in Oakland back in February?

I honestly wonder if some people on this board have been living under a rock.

People were going to Prince shows because they remember the 80's hits, when I went to quite a few of the O2 shows I chatted to a few people around me and most hadn't bought Prince albums since the 80's, he was one of the great performers, so people went along to watch and had a good time, that's why he kept playing the hits and didn't focus on his recent albums, he knew the majority of the audience wanted Purple Rain/When Doves Cry/Kiss etc, the fans on here used to moan they wanted more raritys and new stuff, but we were in the minority.

I went to a concert that was at 20k arena and he performed Seven and the whole audience knew the song and sand along with it and did the same thing for Adore. This was in Washington D.C were he had a hugh following. It really depends on the area of the world or country you were in or who you roll with. He was not always just doing the hits. Even the One Alone shows did well and he did very little hits at those concerts.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

I originally said: I mean the majority of the public did not know what Prince was doing by large for the last 20yrs. what is so hard to understand about that?

Nothing it is total bullshit. Did the public not notice him at the Superbowl, Musicology, O2, The residency in Vegas, Essence Fest, Welcome To America Tour, All of the touring he did in Europe and the states?

His concerts are a large part of his legacy that is when people got to actually to see him and despite what you are saying he actuallly did have music that did chart over the last 20 years with little or no radio airplay. So someone brought that music.

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Do people have video access to these concerts, like they do to most other past and present performers? Do they access to Prince's videos like they do to most other past and present artists?

Yes, they can go to Youtube and a half a dozen other sites and look all day. You can go to Amazon.com and buy live in Las Vegas and Rave Live in concert and unfortunatly a half a dozen other bootleg videos.

We know that his estate will be monetized so we know we are going to get music and videos. What we don't know is when. People will not be forgetting Prince anytime soon.

Yeah um your totally trying to argue

And you can't stand to be wrong.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah um your totally trying to argue

And you can't stand to be wrong.

And I'm not wrong at all, so far there is U and then me and ecnirp98 are in agreement

laurarichardson said:

ecnirp98 said:

People were going to Prince shows because they remember the 80's hits, when I went to quite a few of the O2 shows I chatted to a few people around me and most hadn't bought Prince albums since the 80's, he was one of the great performers, so people went along to watch and had a good time, that's why he kept playing the hits and didn't focus on his recent albums, he knew the majority of the audience wanted Purple Rain/When Doves Cry/Kiss etc, the fans on here used to moan they wanted more raritys and new stuff, but we were in the minority.

I went to a concert that was at 20k arena and he performed Seven and the whole audience knew the song and sand along with it and did the same thing for Adore. This was in Washington D.C were he had a hugh following. It really depends on the area of the world or country you were in or who you roll with. He was not always just doing the hits. Even the One Alone shows did well and he did very little hits at those concerts.

7 and Adore are popular Prince songs. Did U really think using those are an example? From the WB years? seriously

Give it up. This is nothing new that we haven't talked about on the org.
Those ONA shows were full of Prince fans

I've been talking to a bunch of 'Prince's fans after her died who know nothing of most of his 1990s - 2000 albums

I again, am talking about his world Legacy

babynoz said:

malbena said:

My!...How many more of these are we going to have?

I dunno but the show is over for me because Prince isn't here. I have yet to patronize anything posthumously from MJ's career and it will be the same with Prince I guess.

i feel the same way for now. i'm afraid i'd go and just feel bummed out prince wasn't there. i might change my mind but maybe not...

Im going to see Morris and Sheila E, and I have my tickets.

I cant pass this up.

Just saying.

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

7 and Adore are popular Prince songs. Did U really think using those are an example? From the WB years? seriously

Give it up. This is nothing new that we haven't talked about on the org.
Those ONA shows were full of Prince fans

I've been talking to a bunch of 'Prince's fans after her died who know nothing of most of his 1990s - 2000 albums

I again, am talking about his world Legacy

-- Adore is known by RnB fans this song was never a single and it never was or will be played on pop stations. Yet everybody knew that song. Seven is not known by outside of the hardcore fan as at but everybody was singing that song. In fact he had participation on most of the songs and they were not all hits. He also performed very few hits at the ONA shows but those were sell out shows and they received rave reviews. Do you think everybody that ever went to his concert over the last 20 years a hard core fan? Did Prince only do the hits at all of his concerts the last 20 years? The answer would be no. What I am saying is that maybe the people you know have been living under a rock. Prince was very much out and about and active the last 20 years of his life if anyone wanted to buy a good chunk of his music they could have. No artist can force radio stations to play their music it is complety out of the artist control. With the Internet and all of the information people can have access to at any given time you can keep up with any artist that is active if you are interested.

Adore is known by Prince fans big time. SOTT was a part of the Purple Grail. I know people who played this for their wedding.

1/2 the songs on the ONA were hits/or songs from his 80s output. another section were from Rainbow Children another section were 'old school covers'

Again, Most people don't know Prince's output past Diamonds & Pearls

OldFriends4Sale said:

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said: -- Adore is known by RnB fans this song was never a single and it never was or will be played on pop stations. Yet everybody knew that song. Seven is not known by outside of the hardcore fan as at but everybody was singing that song. In fact he had participation on most of the songs and they were not all hits. He also performed very few hits at the ONA shows but those were sell out shows and they received rave reviews. Do you think everybody that ever went to his concert over the last 20 years a hard core fan? Did Prince only do the hits at all of his concerts the last 20 years? The answer would be no. What I am saying is that maybe the people you know have been living under a rock. Prince was very much out and about and active the last 20 years of his life if anyone wanted to buy a good chunk of his music they could have. No artist can force radio stations to play their music it is complety out of the artist control. With the Internet and all of the information people can have access to at any given time you can keep up with any artist that is active if you are interested.

Adore is known by Prince fans big time. SOTT was a part of the Purple Grail. I know people who played this for their wedding.

1/2 the songs on the ONA were hits/or songs from his 80s output. another section were from Rainbow Children another section were 'old school covers'

Again, Most people don't know Prince's output past Diamonds & Pearls

Prince was known as a great performer by the general public, probably the greatest musician of his generation. In the last 20 years concerts have changed from something fans goto to see their favourite artist play their latest album, to a general night out who go as someone is 'known', so people who don't even own an album by an artist turn up at the concerts, its the way music is now.

As for the shows, he mainly played the hits with some interspersed songs like 7 & Adore etc, but the core of the shows were the hits. When was the last time Prince did a tour to support an album? where he'd play an album pretty much in its entirety and add some hits and tracks from other albums, like he did for Lovesexy, SOTT, Parade. D&P etc? His albums/singles sales were low for the last 20 years, he was making most of his money on the tours, like ONA, as most artists are now, thats why there's so many 80's revival greatest hits tours and so many of the associated artists are playing gigs in memory of .....

It's like the Superbowl half time show, in the 80's you wouldn't have seen Prince do something like that, he'd demand a 90 minute half time set !!!! he played the Superbowl to get his name out there again to the mass public, so many people said how great he was on the Superbowl who hadn't heard about him for years and pretty much set a marker to say, i'll go see him next time he's on in my local city etc.

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ecnirp98 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Adore is known by Prince fans big time. SOTT was a part of the Purple Grail. I know people who played this for their wedding.

1/2 the songs on the ONA were hits/or songs from his 80s output. another section were from Rainbow Children another section were 'old school covers'

Again, Most people don't know Prince's output past Diamonds & Pearls

Prince was known as a great performer by the general public, probably the greatest musician of his generation. In the last 20 years concerts have changed from something fans goto to see their favourite artist play their latest album, to a general night out who go as someone is 'known', so people who don't even own an album by an artist turn up at the concerts, its the way music is now.

As for the shows, he mainly played the hits with some interspersed songs like 7 & Adore etc, but the core of the shows were the hits. When was the last time Prince did a tour to support an album? where he'd play an album pretty much in its entirety and add some hits and tracks from other albums, like he did for Lovesexy, SOTT, Parade. D&P etc? His albums/singles sales were low for the last 20 years, he was making most of his money on the tours, like ONA, as most artists are now, thats why there's so many 80's revival greatest hits tours and so many of the associated artists are playing gigs in memory of .....

It's like the Superbowl half time show, in the 80's you wouldn't have seen Prince do something like that, he'd demand a 90 minute half time set !!!! he played the Superbowl to get his name out there again to the mass public, so many people said how great he was on the Superbowl who hadn't heard about him for years and pretty much set a marker to say, i'll go see him next time he's on in my local city etc.

[Edited 9/16/16 17:05pm]

Right, I think Gold was the last period he covered the album. Actually he covered the album before it was released. And was over it by the time God was released.

I think the Rainbow Children period he did a lot of shows with music from that album, I understand why, it was a really good Prince album.

But outside of that like U said Prince might do 3 songs from the album but that was it.

Actually I think it was after Lovesexy that he stopped covering most of the album.

I agree with everything U said.

OldFriends4Sale said:

ecnirp98 said:

Prince was known as a great performer by the general public, probably the greatest musician of his generation. In the last 20 years concerts have changed from something fans goto to see their favourite artist play their latest album, to a general night out who go as someone is 'known', so people who don't even own an album by an artist turn up at the concerts, its the way music is now.

As for the shows, he mainly played the hits with some interspersed songs like 7 & Adore etc, but the core of the shows were the hits. When was the last time Prince did a tour to support an album? where he'd play an album pretty much in its entirety and add some hits and tracks from other albums, like he did for Lovesexy, SOTT, Parade. D&P etc? His albums/singles sales were low for the last 20 years, he was making most of his money on the tours, like ONA, as most artists are now, thats why there's so many 80's revival greatest hits tours and so many of the associated artists are playing gigs in memory of .....

It's like the Superbowl half time show, in the 80's you wouldn't have seen Prince do something like that, he'd demand a 90 minute half time set !!!! he played the Superbowl to get his name out there again to the mass public, so many people said how great he was on the Superbowl who hadn't heard about him for years and pretty much set a marker to say, i'll go see him next time he's on in my local city etc.

[Edited 9/16/16 17:05pm]

Right, I think Gold was the last period he covered the album. Actually he covered the album before it was released. And was over it by the time God was released.

I think the Rainbow Children period he did a lot of shows with music from that album, I understand why, it was a really good Prince album.

But outside of that like U said Prince might do 3 songs from the album but that was it.

Actually I think it was after Lovesexy that he stopped covering most of the album.

I agree with everything U said.

I think D&P was the last tour I saw where I'd say Prince toured on an album, where he played most of the album and the feel of the the tour matched the album.

The only tours I remember where Prince didn't play the hits were in the mid 90's when he was not using the Prince name and in his Slave era and wouldn't play most of his WB hits like 'Ultimate Live'.