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um okay. Even I can admit Ive heard arguments on both sides but to say you never saw anyone mention that Wendy and Lisa made him here is hard to believe. I can even recall two threads that were deleted. one of the posters, made a very insensitive comment which I will not repeat here.
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Naw. There would still be criticisms. One might even venture as to say that there are a large group of persons who have little interest in recognizing their contributions or who would diminish their influence during a very recognizable era in Prince's music. "I mean I always figured you were a trip at times, but now I'm beginning to believe you're a freaking vacation." -2elijah | |
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Naw. There would still be criticisms. One might even venture as to say that there are a large group of persons who have little interest in recognizing their contributions or who would diminish their influence during a very recognizable era in Prince's music. --- Yes, you are correct and with reason. | |
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THe reason being that they are still grossly overrated for their time with Prince while others dont get nearly as much credit (Andre and Dez come to mind). Save America - Stop Illegal Immigration. God bless America. PEACE | |
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Yeah people try to diminish their contributions, but I think it's possible to recognize multiple contributors without having to dimish other people's involvement. Other very important persons like Andre and Dez can also be recognized for their influence and can certainly be given recognition for the influence on Prince whether it be stage presence, songcraft, solos, etc (and MUCH MORE). And Wendy and Lisa were also involved in similar facets for comparable periods of times as officially in Prince's employ (perhaps longer with the case of Lisa) and were given entire songs to finish without direct given input via Prince or in the case of songs (Mountains?) that essentially entirely instrumentally created by the two with finishing touches provided by Prince. I "think" some are not interested in giving them any credit whatsoever or recognizing the above because they feel it somehow diminishes Prince's own genius. But during a period that many consider Prince's most recognizable, there is an association with Wendy and Lisa. And it's not undue. But whenever the conversation comes up, certainly there will be people who say something to the effect that they had no influence or that it was insignificant. But to listen to the work of that time period and to understand the actual facts regarding recordings, Wendy and Lisa are very present. Others can try to deny that. And they'd be wrong. But the amount of effort people put it in dminishing their work.. It's um... interesting to say the least. And absent any analysis about why their very present influence wasn't recognizeable in the music, I question other motivating reasons why some are interested in minimizing their influence. But that's probably a topic suited for another thread.
[Edited 6/1/16 18:57pm] "I mean I always figured you were a trip at times, but now I'm beginning to believe you're a freaking vacation." -2elijah | |
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Yeah people try to diminish their contributions, but I think it's possible to recognize multiple contributors without having to dimish other people's involvement. Other very important persons like Andre and Dez can also be recognized for their influence and can certainly be given recognition for the influence on Prince whether it be stage presence, songcraft, solos, etc (and MUCH MORE). And Wendy and Lisa were also involved in similar facets for comparable periods of times as officially in Prince's employ (perhaps longer with the case of Lisa) and were given entire songs to finish without direct given input via Prince or in the case of songs (Mountains?) that essentially entirely instrumentally created by the two with finishing touches provided by Prince. I "think" some are not interested in giving them any credit whatsoever or recognizing the above because they feel it somehow diminishes Prince's own genius. But during a period that many consider Prince's most recognizable, there is an association with Wendy and Lisa. And it's not undue. But whenever the conversation comes up, certainly there will be people who say something to the effect that they had no influence or that it was insignificant. But to listen to the work of that time period and to understand the actual facts regarding recordings, Wendy and Lisa are very present. Others can try to deny that. And they'd be wrong. But the amount of effort people put it in dminishing their work.. It's um... interesting to say the least. And absent any analysis about why their very present influence wasn't recognizeable in the music, I question other motivating reasons why some are interested in minimizing their influence. But that's probably a topic suited for another thread.
[Edited 6/1/16 18:57pm] The issue is that on the Org it was always expressed how he was nothing without them. If their collaboration was fairly portrayed on how they benefitted each other then that would be different. I always got the feeling from interviews from past band members themselves that Prince was always the driving force. And Prince giving them songs to finish, I think that's impressive but that happens all the time in bands no? I also think his influence seems to stop with you in the 80s. I feel prince was just as influenced by the musicians he jammed with in the 90s and 2000s and vice versa, where he went even further into different genres. For the record I think what Wendy and Lisa contributed was great. how could I not? i would like to hear how they all worked with him. [Edited 6/1/16 22:21pm] | |
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Yeah, no. That's not been my experience at all on here. At. All. It has been my experience that people have attempted to discuss the influence of these two. And after a semblance of praise has been granted, there immediately comes in a dissenting voice that attempts to diminish and discredit/mitigate their influence by calling them overrated or whatever. In fact, I can't recollect personally reading anything that would suggest that "he was nothing without them" ever. But I absolutely have seen people shit on these two. "I mean I always figured you were a trip at times, but now I'm beginning to believe you're a freaking vacation." -2elijah | |
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Yeah, it's been that way in my experience that I cannot recollect having read anything that would reach the pitch of "He was nothing without them." No need to "admit" anything I can't recollect.
But a quick search does show people do questioning the importance of their involvement but then there are other posts that quickly start to attack their sexuality using homophobic terms or ones which are entirely dedicated to suggesting their influence was detrimental. But I think for the purposes of this conversation it may not matter as you mentioned you can admit you've seen "both sides." [Edited 6/2/16 13:55pm] "I mean I always figured you were a trip at times, but now I'm beginning to believe you're a freaking vacation." -2elijah | |
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I don't have a problem with it, especially if it was planned before Prince died and the tribute is an added bonus. Fine with me. The latin MJ tribute was on PBS last year, I taped it and watched but didn't know any of the artist except Sheila E. I assume the artist were Latin stars. Beautiful, Loved and Blessed
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Some good news here! Life Matters | |
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the cruise sounds like fun! | |
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terrig said: I love me som Sheila E..... but this is beneath her. Why? Because it's a cruise? Not every day can be an awards ceremony as a musician- and cruise gigs are good coins in a relaxing environment. Between her Latin Jazz chops and some of the smooth stuff she does I think it's fine. She's almost 60. She can play some of her favorite tunes in a sundress and sandals if she wants without having to be TV ready, press ready, deal with gawking fanatics and do was she loves in a chilled out atmosphere without having to be "on". She's a working musician. She can't roll over and never get out of bed again because she lost arguably the biggest male influence (musically or otherwise) in her life outside of her dad. She has to keep moving. | |
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tmo1965 said: In Sheila's defense, I believe the cruise was in the works before Prince died. She's making it a tribute now. Truth. Some folks just talk out of their ass. Sheila E.is a working musician. She doesn't have to try to remain relevant. She's been doing Latin based music for awhile now as well as her Minneapolis era songs. Just because you don't hear new music from her on the radio doesn't mean she is home laid back collecting social security. Don't laugh at my funk
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Welcome to Sheila E.'s Glamorous Life Latin Cruise featuring...I get sea sick on boats. I would spend most of my time puking up to Love bizarre, although I love that song. Baby, you're a star.
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