2elijah said:

Sassey said:

There are some situations in life that are not worth the energy it would take to confront them but it’s not for someone else to tell a person who has been hurt or treated unfairly to just get over it and move on. Certain things that have happened in people’s lives can bother them, even years later because deep down they know it shouldn’t have happened yet it did happen. They know it was unfair and it erodes at their inner peace and sense of confidence, especially when it’s something that could easily happen again to them and others.

2elijah said:If person feels they have been 'wronged' by someone, they had a personal friendship with over a long, period of time, but then something happens, which causes division in the friendship, and there is much hurt involved, it is not unusual that bitter feelings and hurt will be involved, but I will note that in your post, you specifically stated that (see below):

Sassey said

" There are some things in life that are not worth the energy".

2elijah said:

Your answer above, basically translates into saying it's best to 'move on/move forward'. Even JellyBean suggested the same, despite the hurt he says he still feels, and admitting he knows he has to find a way to accept it and 'move on'. Words from JB himself in that article; see excerpt below from article:"....

From article:

JB said: "....they're going to always be attached to me, so I just accept it and move on. It’s kind of a bitter pill sometimes that I’m struggling like this and I probably shouldn’t be. But I am, so I have to get through it the best I can."

2elijah said:

Given JB's experience, it's not insulting to suggest that the best thing to do is to 'move forward' with his life. Is it not better to do that, than suggesting the person continue to harbor ill feelings about a hurt situation, that may affect his health over the years? If you have tried everything in the way of compromising with the person, and that doesn't work, then it is obvious, what the response to that action tells you. You see, sometimes,when you are caught-up in years of hurt and bitterness over hurt from a 'friendship', you don't realize that you may be harming yourself physically, mentally and spiritually. There comes a time, when someone comes along, and help you to see the situation more clearly. Why continue to make yourself a 'slave' to the situation, if you know nothing may ever come of it?

As a reader of the article, I am just looking at the situation from a different perspective than yours . I'm also not saying or suggesting that JB is wrong to have those feelings, because it is his experience, not mine. The only two who can work that out, is between the two people the situation relates to. So if you don't understand my point, that's okay, like I said, it is not my experience to judge, but it is an article open to the public, and there will be different opinions expressed about it.

Sassey said:

Maybe this will make it less puzzling for you:

It’s so easy for people who haven’t been disappointed, hurt, and humiliated by Prince to try to tell people who have what they “should have” or what they shouldn’t do. It sort of reminds me how Black people have been advised by people who are unsympathetic and consider themselves superior that they should move on, get over slavery and all the separation practices of segregation. We know America has a history of forcing Black people to drink from separate water fountains and sit in the back of the bus and if it weren’t for people like Rosa Parks, who made it impossible for the world to continue to ignore the unfair treatment of Black people, you may have had to ride on the back of a bus today. If Prince can write SLAVE on his face because he didn’t like how WB was treating him, I can bring up slavery and segregation in my reply.

2elijah said:

Well, of course those reading what JB is stating in that article, who have never been hurt by the same person as JB, will not have the same perspective from reading the contents of the article. It is apparent, that you, and JB are speaking from an 'emotional' place. You're probably a close friend of JB or you could just be one of his fans, but.....comparing Black history in America, and bringing Rosa Parks into this, has absolutely nothing to do with two 'friends', whose personal relationship went sour. You know why? Because the people that barred Rosa and other Blacks from specific liberties, were not personal 'friends' of Rosa or the many Black people, who were barred from specific freedoms during those eras. So using my suggestion that it is better for JB to 'move on/move forward' with his life, in comparison to someone telling Blacks to 'move on', from the history of slavery and racist situations of the Jim Crow/Civil rights' eras of this country, has nothing to do with two men who had a personal friendship at one time, and now that friendship is not where it used to be.

Using that comparison is like belittling the history of slavery/civil rights era, and the accomplishments of Rosa Parks and the many Black people who fought/suffered and died during slavery, and the Jim Crow/Civil Rights eras. I'm sure you could have thought of something much different to compare my opinion to.

Oh, and by the way, I am a Black-American woman, well-informed about the history of American Blacks within this country, as well as the history of slavery, and related experiences/cultures of many others around the world, who identify as 'Black/Black African'. Should you ever feel the need to converse on that particular topic, on another thread, just let me know, as I'm sure we can compare notes in a friendly way.

Sassey said:

Jellybean Johnson might help make it impossible for people to continue to ignore and apologize for Prince’s unfair treatment of people. Jellybean’s past experiences may help musicians currently working with Prince or musicians who may work with Prince make more informed decisions before they start working for Prince.

2elijah said:

Interesting, but by using his experience as a musician, and knowledge of the music industry, I think he could benefit, by working as a consultant, to younger or older musicians,who are trying to get into the music industry, and educate them, as to what to be aware of before signing contracts, working with record labels, record execs, managers, etc.

He could turn a 'hurt and bitter' situation into a positive one, and I think that could help with his healing process somewhat, as he moves forward with his music career and life. Either way, and despite any disagreements you and I may have on this topic, I do wish JellyBean the best. Peace.

[Edited 3/22/13 18:25pm]

I've read many of your comments. I figured you're a Black-American woman.

Prince and some of his fans come off as unsympathetic and like they consider themselves superior to others. This type of mentality reminds me of the slavery/civil rights era and how a certain group of people treated another group of people they viewed as inferior to them. I disagree with people who have this type of mentality and I know for many people who have been hurt, including Prince, it's not always so easy for them to move on and get over it.

I agree that there comes a time when someone comes along to help you to see the situation more clearly and I'll add that many people don't realize how their own negative emotions put them at a dis-ease spiritually, mentally, and physically. It will inevitably cause disease to manifest in their body. People should remember that being superior and bitter are just two of the many negative emotions and diseases don't discriminate.

I wish Jellybean the best as well. I don't know him. I hope his situation turns into a positive one. I think he's taking the necessary steps he needs to take. It's healing and courageous whenever a person is willing to express their true feelings.

[Edited 3/23/13 0:12am]

listening 2 what alot of prince people say give u mixed emotions and questions marks. jeallybean is so pissed and i question that b/che is super talented i say that again. jesse said he wasnt really close 2 anybody but prince and morris in the time.they have all moved onand did many other things but at times they all come off souding like little kids made cuz mom made em move out at 18.fact is nobody in prince world is gonna be as big as him same as nobody in michael jackson world gonna be as big as him. jesse said it its a free world u have to create your own destiny same way prince did. i love all of em music so i hope they can find peace and continue 2 give the world something special without being bitter about their past

Sassey said:

2elijah said:

Sassey said:

There are some situations in life that are not worth the energy it would take to confront them but it’s not for someone else to tell a person who has been hurt or treated unfairly to just get over it and move on. Certain things that have happened in people’s lives can bother them, even years later because deep down they know it shouldn’t have happened yet it did happen. They know it was unfair and it erodes at their inner peace and sense of confidence, especially when it’s something that could easily happen again to them and others.

2elijah said:If person feels they have been 'wronged' by someone, they had a personal friendship with over a long, period of time, but then something happens, which causes division in the friendship, and there is much hurt involved, it is not unusual that bitter feelings and hurt will be involved, but I will note that in your post, you specifically stated that (see below):

Sassey said

" There are some things in life that are not worth the energy".

2elijah said:

Your answer above, basically translates into saying it's best to 'move on/move forward'. Even JellyBean suggested the same, despite the hurt he says he still feels, and admitting he knows he has to find a way to accept it and 'move on'. Words from JB himself in that article; see excerpt below from article:"....

2elijah said:

Given JB's experience, it's not insulting to suggest that the best thing to do is to 'move forward' with his life. Is it not better to do that, than suggesting the person continue to harbor ill feelings about a hurt situation, that may affect his health over the years? If you have tried everything in the way of compromising with the person, and that doesn't work, then it is obvious, what the response to that action tells you. You see, sometimes,when you are caught-up in years of hurt and bitterness over hurt from a 'friendship', you don't realize that you may be harming yourself physically, mentally and spiritually. There comes a time, when someone comes along, and help you to see the situation more clearly. Why continue to make yourself a 'slave' to the situation, if you know nothing may ever come of it?

As a reader of the article, I am just looking at the situation from a different perspective than yours . I'm also not saying or suggesting that JB is wrong to have those feelings, because it is his experience, not mine. The only two who can work that out, is between the two people the situation relates to. So if you don't understand my point, that's okay, like I said, it is not my experience to judge, but it is an article open to the public, and there will be different opinions expressed about it.

Sassey said:

Maybe this will make it less puzzling for you:

It’s so easy for people who haven’t been disappointed, hurt, and humiliated by Prince to try to tell people who have what they “should have” or what they shouldn’t do. It sort of reminds me how Black people have been advised by people who are unsympathetic and consider themselves superior that they should move on, get over slavery and all the separation practices of segregation. We know America has a history of forcing Black people to drink from separate water fountains and sit in the back of the bus and if it weren’t for people like Rosa Parks, who made it impossible for the world to continue to ignore the unfair treatment of Black people, you may have had to ride on the back of a bus today. If Prince can write SLAVE on his face because he didn’t like how WB was treating him, I can bring up slavery and segregation in my reply.

2elijah said:

Well, of course those reading what JB is stating in that article, who have never been hurt by the same person as JB, will not have the same perspective from reading the contents of the article. It is apparent, that you, and JB are speaking from an 'emotional' place. You're probably a close friend of JB or you could just be one of his fans, but.....comparing Black history in America, and bringing Rosa Parks into this, has absolutely nothing to do with two 'friends', whose personal relationship went sour. You know why? Because the people that barred Rosa and other Blacks from specific liberties, were not personal 'friends' of Rosa or the many Black people, who were barred from specific freedoms during those eras. So using my suggestion that it is better for JB to 'move on/move forward' with his life, in comparison to someone telling Blacks to 'move on', from the history of slavery and racist situations of the Jim Crow/Civil rights' eras of this country, has nothing to do with two men who had a personal friendship at one time, and now that friendship is not where it used to be.

Using that comparison is like belittling the history of slavery/civil rights era, and the accomplishments of Rosa Parks and the many Black people who fought/suffered and died during slavery, and the Jim Crow/Civil Rights eras. I'm sure you could have thought of something much different to compare my opinion to.

Oh, and by the way, I am a Black-American woman, well-informed about the history of American Blacks within this country, as well as the history of slavery, and related experiences/cultures of many others around the world, who identify as 'Black/Black African'. Should you ever feel the need to converse on that particular topic, on another thread, just let me know, as I'm sure we can compare notes in a friendly way.

Sassey said:

Jellybean Johnson might help make it impossible for people to continue to ignore and apologize for Prince’s unfair treatment of people. Jellybean’s past experiences may help musicians currently working with Prince or musicians who may work with Prince make more informed decisions before they start working for Prince.

2elijah said:

Interesting, but by using his experience as a musician, and knowledge of the music industry, I think he could benefit, by working as a consultant, to younger or older musicians,who are trying to get into the music industry, and educate them, as to what to be aware of before signing contracts, working with record labels, record execs, managers, etc.

He could turn a 'hurt and bitter' situation into a positive one, and I think that could help with his healing process somewhat, as he moves forward with his music career and life. Either way, and despite any disagreements you and I may have on this topic, I do wish JellyBean the best. Peace.

[Edited 3/22/13 18:25pm]

I've read many of your comments. I figured you're a Black-American woman.

Prince and some of his fans come off as unsympathetic and like they consider themselves superior to others. This type of mentality reminds me of the slavery/civil rights era and how a certain group of people treated another group of people they viewed as inferior to them. I disagree with people who have this type of mentality and I know for many people who have been hurt, including Prince, it's not always so easy for them to move on and get over it.

I agree that there comes a time when someone comes along to help you to see the situation more clearly and I'll add that many people don't realize how their own negative emotions put them at a dis-ease spiritually, mentally, and physically. It will inevitably cause disease to manifest in their body. People should remember that being superior and bitter are just two of the many negative emotions and diseases don't discriminate.

I wish Jellybean the best as well. I don't know him. I hope his situation turns into a positive one. I think he's taking the necessary steps he needs to take. It's healing and courageous whenever a person is willing to express their true feelings.

[Edited 3/23/13 0:12am]

You are way off the deep end with the comparision to slavery/civil rights era. I dont even know how you thought to bring that in the discussion.

Here's the thing. I think we all respect and love Jellybean for the musician he is. We know all that Prince did them wrong when they were The Time back in the 80's. I'm not saying that Jellybean should not express his disgust with his treatment from PRince 30 years ago, or his decision to not be involved with FDEluxe or the Original7ven. HOwever, He is blaming Prince for his current situation. The frustration and bitterness is being drawn from his current financial woes. the fact is, He has not worked for Prince in decades. The name issue came up last year or so. What happened in between that time period? Why has Jellybean not been able to secure steady work as incredibly talented and gifted as he is and being connected to the industry more than the average up and coming indie musician? If you can fill in the gaps and prove that Prince blocked every opportunity that Jellybean had to make it in this business, then yeah, I could see how saying a simple "move on" is unsympathetic.

I looked at your profile, are you Jellybean or his relative?? haha.

Sassey said:

2elijah said:

Sassey said:

There are some situations in life that are not worth the energy it would take to confront them but it’s not for someone else to tell a person who has been hurt or treated unfairly to just get over it and move on. Certain things that have happened in people’s lives can bother them, even years later because deep down they know it shouldn’t have happened yet it did happen. They know it was unfair and it erodes at their inner peace and sense of confidence, especially when it’s something that could easily happen again to them and others.

2elijah said:If person feels they have been 'wronged' by someone, they had a personal friendship with over a long, period of time, but then something happens, which causes division in the friendship, and there is much hurt involved, it is not unusual that bitter feelings and hurt will be involved, but I will note that in your post, you specifically stated that (see below):

Sassey said

" There are some things in life that are not worth the energy".

2elijah said:

Your answer above, basically translates into saying it's best to 'move on/move forward'. Even JellyBean suggested the same, despite the hurt he says he still feels, and admitting he knows he has to find a way to accept it and 'move on'. Words from JB himself in that article; see excerpt below from article:"....

2elijah said:

Given JB's experience, it's not insulting to suggest that the best thing to do is to 'move forward' with his life. Is it not better to do that, than suggesting the person continue to harbor ill feelings about a hurt situation, that may affect his health over the years? If you have tried everything in the way of compromising with the person, and that doesn't work, then it is obvious, what the response to that action tells you. You see, sometimes,when you are caught-up in years of hurt and bitterness over hurt from a 'friendship', you don't realize that you may be harming yourself physically, mentally and spiritually. There comes a time, when someone comes along, and help you to see the situation more clearly. Why continue to make yourself a 'slave' to the situation, if you know nothing may ever come of it?

As a reader of the article, I am just looking at the situation from a different perspective than yours . I'm also not saying or suggesting that JB is wrong to have those feelings, because it is his experience, not mine. The only two who can work that out, is between the two people the situation relates to. So if you don't understand my point, that's okay, like I said, it is not my experience to judge, but it is an article open to the public, and there will be different opinions expressed about it.

Sassey said:

Maybe this will make it less puzzling for you:

It’s so easy for people who haven’t been disappointed, hurt, and humiliated by Prince to try to tell people who have what they “should have” or what they shouldn’t do. It sort of reminds me how Black people have been advised by people who are unsympathetic and consider themselves superior that they should move on, get over slavery and all the separation practices of segregation. We know America has a history of forcing Black people to drink from separate water fountains and sit in the back of the bus and if it weren’t for people like Rosa Parks, who made it impossible for the world to continue to ignore the unfair treatment of Black people, you may have had to ride on the back of a bus today. If Prince can write SLAVE on his face because he didn’t like how WB was treating him, I can bring up slavery and segregation in my reply.

2elijah said:

Well, of course those reading what JB is stating in that article, who have never been hurt by the same person as JB, will not have the same perspective from reading the contents of the article. It is apparent, that you, and JB are speaking from an 'emotional' place. You're probably a close friend of JB or you could just be one of his fans, but.....comparing Black history in America, and bringing Rosa Parks into this, has absolutely nothing to do with two 'friends', whose personal relationship went sour. You know why? Because the people that barred Rosa and other Blacks from specific liberties, were not personal 'friends' of Rosa or the many Black people, who were barred from specific freedoms during those eras. So using my suggestion that it is better for JB to 'move on/move forward' with his life, in comparison to someone telling Blacks to 'move on', from the history of slavery and racist situations of the Jim Crow/Civil rights' eras of this country, has nothing to do with two men who had a personal friendship at one time, and now that friendship is not where it used to be.

Using that comparison is like belittling the history of slavery/civil rights era, and the accomplishments of Rosa Parks and the many Black people who fought/suffered and died during slavery, and the Jim Crow/Civil Rights eras. I'm sure you could have thought of something much different to compare my opinion to.

Oh, and by the way, I am a Black-American woman, well-informed about the history of American Blacks within this country, as well as the history of slavery, and related experiences/cultures of many others around the world, who identify as 'Black/Black African'. Should you ever feel the need to converse on that particular topic, on another thread, just let me know, as I'm sure we can compare notes in a friendly way.

Sassey said:

Jellybean Johnson might help make it impossible for people to continue to ignore and apologize for Prince’s unfair treatment of people. Jellybean’s past experiences may help musicians currently working with Prince or musicians who may work with Prince make more informed decisions before they start working for Prince.

2elijah said:

Interesting, but by using his experience as a musician, and knowledge of the music industry, I think he could benefit, by working as a consultant, to younger or older musicians,who are trying to get into the music industry, and educate them, as to what to be aware of before signing contracts, working with record labels, record execs, managers, etc.

He could turn a 'hurt and bitter' situation into a positive one, and I think that could help with his healing process somewhat, as he moves forward with his music career and life. Either way, and despite any disagreements you and I may have on this topic, I do wish JellyBean the best. Peace.

[Edited 3/22/13 18:25pm]

I've read many of your comments. I figured you're a Black-American woman.

Prince and some of his fans come off as unsympathetic and like they consider themselves superior to others. This type of mentality reminds me of the slavery/civil rights era and how a certain group of people treated another group of people they viewed as inferior to them. I disagree with people who have this type of mentality and I know for many people who have been hurt, including Prince, it's not always so easy for them to move on and get over it.

2elijah said:

Everyone is not going to have your opinion, because they are not you, they are individuals.

I think you are stretching things a bit. I don't see how you can compare a American, historic situation with Prince fans having a 'difference of opinion' over an ex-Prince bandmember's, falling out with his former friend. If JB is expressing his experience publically. then the public 's opinion of JB's experience, has nothing to do with having some sort of 'superiority complex', whether they are Prince fans or not. Those giving their take on it, are basically giving their opinion of the situation, from an 'outside point of view';not from the emotional standpoint of JB. When you are the individual who experienced the hurt/pain, you will express that experience with the hurt/pain that consumes you, and regardless of how harsh this may sound to you, there are two sides to a story. This is not saying, that JB is not telling the truth of his experience, and also not an excuse for all those involved.

Sassey said:

I agree that there comes a time when someone comes along to help you to see the situation more clearly and I'll add that many people don't realize how their own negative emotions put them at a dis-ease spiritually, mentally, and physically. It will inevitably cause disease to manifest in their body. People should remember that being superior and bitter are just two of the many negative emotions and diseases don't discriminate.

2elijah said:

But isn't that what JB is doing in a way? Allowing bitterness, which is a negative emotion, consume him and then expressing that bitterness publically? Often times, when these situations involves a famous person or one of celebrity status,including musicians/artists, and disagreements or tension arises between those celebs and their former/current friends, (as in JB's case), it is not uncommon that some former band members/friends of these celebs, will use a media source as a way of revenge to hurt that celeb's reputation. Especially if resolving past issues and trying to restart a friendship--whether personally or businesswise, does not happen. But if that celeb, instead chooses to respectfully move on to a different path vs the previous one he walked in the past. Then what?

With JB seeing this, isn't the message clear that it may be time to stop letting the hurt/pain consume him, and use his experience as a tool to educate younger musicians/as well as older, on having plan 'B's and C's' for their future, in case plan 'A' doesn't work? That's not being harsh, that's just being smart.

Sassey said:

I wish Jellybean the best as well. I don't know him. I hope his situation turns into a positive one. I think he's taking the necessary steps he needs to take. It's healing and courageous whenever a person is willing to express their true feelings.

2elijah said:

I wish him the best as well, and of course 'moving forward/moving on' will take time, that goes without saying. The outcome of how people deal with broken friendships/relationships, pretty much depends on whether the individuals involved, want to find a way to repair it. If they've tried, and nothing becomes of it, then they can choose to move on/move forward, while respecting each others' decison to do so or they can allow the hurt/pain to enslave/consume their spirit with bitterness. They choose the latter, and that bitterness will eventually affect their health/attitude.

You can ask yourself what is the lesson you have learned from the situation? When you find out what that lesson is, use it to educate others in a positive way, not with bitterness. If you choose to teach that lesson using bitterness, then you haven't learned anything from the experience, and you will continue to allow the hurt/pain/bitterness to own and eat your soul.

[Edited 3/24/13 8:14am]

2elijah said:

With JB seeing this, isn't the message clear that it may be time to stop letting the hurt/pain consume him, and use his experience as a tool to educate younger musicians/as well as older, on having plan 'B's and C's' for your future, in case plan 'A' doesn't work? That's not being harsh, that's just smart.

I agree with this. If anything good is to come out of this, its this.

I really do wish Jellybean the best. He's always been a nice person to fans at shows.

wonder505 said:

2elijah said:

I agree with this. If anything good is to come out of this, its this.

I really do wish Jellybean the best. He's always been a nice person to fans at shows.

Thanks. I think it's the best route for him to take, because the only thing you get out of bitterness is high blood pressure and sleepless nights. With all his experience, he can make money as a consultant to other musicians;teaching them the ABC's of the music industry.

[Edited 3/23/13 8:13am]

Graycap23 said:

Garry stated that he hates Prince. That is a strong statement from someone who has been in the game as long as he has. What does that tell u about Prince and some of his childhood musician friends?

I think when a person makes it successfully, even if they don't want to change, success will force a change, because their lifestyle changes, and as they meet people from various, economic and social backgrounds, around the world, which may be very different from the friends of their childhood and young adult days. They eventually will meet many who will have some sort of influence/inspiration in their lives, But with success, it doesn't go without gaining enemies. Those who have made it successfully, as celebs/musicians, etc, will meet many friends along their path, who may be ingenuine and just want something from them, and those who are genuine and ask for nothing but friendship. Trust will often be an issue in a successful person's life, because there will always be people that will remind them or feel, they should have taken them along on their ride to success, or feel the one who 'made it' owes them for that success. It has to be difficult when you reach the top, especially when former friends still want a piece of the pie, even though they still benefit from your name or part of your success.

I guess, if those reading about some of these experiences, from former associates, were a fly-on-the-wall, so-to-speak, to see/know what transpired that made some long-term friendships take a different route, would we know the truth behind what really happened.

[Edited 3/23/13 8:59am]

2elijah said:

Sassey said:

I've read many of your comments. I figured you're a Black-American woman.

Prince and some of his fans come off as unsympathetic and like they consider themselves superior to others. This type of mentality reminds me of the slavery/civil rights era and how a certain group of people treated another group of people they viewed as inferior to them. I disagree with people who have this type of mentality and I know for many people who have been hurt, including Prince, it's not always so easy for them to move on and get over it.

2elijah said:

Everyone is not going to have your opinion, because they are not you, they are individuals.

I think you are stretching things a bit. I don't see how you can compare a American, historic situation with Prince fans having a 'difference of opinion' over an ex-Prince bandmember's, falling out with his former friend. If JB is expressing his experience publically. then the public 's opinion of JB's experience, has nothing to do with having some sort of 'superiority complex', whether they are Prince fans or not. Those giving their take on it, are basically giving their opinion of the situation, from an 'outside point of view';not from the emotional standpoint of JB. When you are the individual who experienced the hurt/pain, you will express that experience with the hurt/pain that consumes you, and regardless of how harsh this may sound to you, there are two sides to a story. This is not saying, that JB is not telling the truth of his experience, and also not an excuse for all those involved.

Sassey said:

I agree that there comes a time when someone comes along to help you to see the situation more clearly and I'll add that many people don't realize how their own negative emotions put them at a dis-ease spiritually, mentally, and physically. It will inevitably cause disease to manifest in their body. People should remember that being superior and bitter are just two of the many negative emotions and diseases don't discriminate.

2elijah said:

But isn't that what JB is doing in a way? Allowing bitterness, which is a negative emotion, consume him and then expressing that bitterness publically? Often times, when these situations involves a famous person or one of celebrity status, and former friends, or in this case, former band members and well-known musician/artists have disagreements, some former bandmembers will use a media source as a way of revenge to hurt that celeb's reputation. Especially if resolving past issues and trying to restart a friendship--whether personally or businesswise, does not happen. That celeb, instead chooses to fespectfully move on to a different path vs the previous one he walked in the past. Then what?

With JB seeing this, isn't the message clear that it may be time to stop letting the hurt/pain consume him, and use his experience as a tool to educate younger musicians/as well as older, on having plan 'B's and C's' for their future, in case plan 'A' doesn't work? That's not being harsh, that's just being smart.

Sassey said:

I wish Jellybean the best as well. I don't know him. I hope his situation turns into a positive one. I think he's taking the necessary steps he needs to take. It's healing and courageous whenever a person is willing to express their true feelings.

2elijah said:

I wish him the best as well, and of course 'moving forward/moving on' will take time, that goes without saying. The outcome of how people deal with broken friendships/relationships, pretty much depends on whether the individuals involved, want to find a way to repair it. If they've tried, and nothing becomes of it, then they can choose to move on/move forward, while respecting each others' decison to do so or they can allow the hurt/pain to enslave/consume their spirit with bitterness. They choose the latter, and that bitterness will eventually affect their health/attitude.

You can ask yourself what is the lesson you have learned from the situation? When you find out what that lesson is, use it to educate others in a positive way, not with bitterness. If you choose to teach that lesson using bitterness, then you haven't learned anything from the experience, and you will continue to allow the hurt/pain/bitterness to own and eat your soul.

[Edited 3/23/13 8:21am]

Of course everyone is not going to have my opinion. You haven't told me anything in any of your replies that I didn't already know. I chose to use the comparison I wanted to use and I used it. You and wonder505 think I'm way off the deep end with the slavery/civil rights era with my comparison but I don't mind since it's not for you to compare and recall things the same as I do.

You must be directing your statement at the end to Jellybean Johnson since there is no lesson for me to learn in Jellybean's interview or from you. With respect I now chose to make this my last reply to you on this thread. There's no need for me to continue discussing this interview with you. You're still puzzled and you think I'm stretching things a bit. It's okay. We don't agree. Peace.

Graycap23 said:

Sassey said:

2elijah said:

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Of course everyone is not going to have my opinion. You haven't told me anything in any of your replies that I didn't already know. I chose to use the comparison I wanted to use and I used it. You and wonder505 think I'm way off the deep end with the slavery/civil rights era with my comparison but I don't mind since it's not for you to compare and recall things the same as I do.

You must be directing your statement at the end to Jellybean Johnson since there is no lesson for me to learn in Jellybean's interview or from you. With respect I now chose to make this my last reply to you on this thread. There's no need for me to continue discussing this interview with you. You're still puzzled and you think I'm stretching things a bit. It's okay. We don't agree. Peace.

That's fine, because your comparison made absolutely no sense at all.

People teliing a person to move on or move forward, from a broken relationship/friendship, in comparison to people telling Blacks to move on regarding the history of slavery in America, are two totally different issues. That is why I found your comparison of the two, ridiculously puzzling. Again, it may not be easy to move on from a friendship that was once amicable, and now broken, but holding onto bitterness, doesn't make it better, does it? Besides, bitterness doesn't pay the bills.

Thanks for your response, as I leave you in peace.

'oif to of' spelling edit

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HonestMan13 said:

Graycap23 said:

Garry stated that he hates Prince. That is a strong statement from someone who has been in the game as long as he has. What does that tell u about Prince and some of his childhood musician friends?

Actually he said he hates his rich friends, Jam and Lewis included.

"Me and him don’t talk. He knows I hate him; I’m sure he don’t like me."

Graycap23 said:

HonestMan13 said:

Graycap23 said: Actually he said he hates his rich friends, Jam and Lewis included.

"Me and him don’t talk. He knows I hate him; I’m sure he don’t like me."

"I was in the Original 7ven with Terry, Jimmy and Jesse Johnson - and they do this. Anytime a crisis comes, they run off, because they're rich. They run off and you don't hear from them no more."

HonestMan13 said:

Graycap23 said:

"Me and him don’t talk. He knows I hate him; I’m sure he don’t like me."

"I was in the Original 7ven with Terry, Jimmy and Jesse Johnson - and they do this. Anytime a crisis comes, they run off, because they're rich. They run off and you don't hear from them no more."

What part of "I hate him" is not clear?

Graycap23 said:

HonestMan13 said:

"I was in the Original 7ven with Terry, Jimmy and Jesse Johnson - and they do this. Anytime a crisis comes, they run off, because they're rich. They run off and you don't hear from them no more."

What part of "I hate him" is not clear?

I understand completely. Prince is the root of all evil, blah blah blah but Jellybeans entire interview shows that he has issues with more than just Prince and also sheds light onto what went wrong internally with the Original 7ven(beyond everyone blaming Jesse).

HonestMan13 said:

Graycap23 said:

What part of "I hate him" is not clear?

I understand completely. Prince is the root of all evil, blah blah blah but Jellybeans entire interview shows that he has issues with more than just Prince and also sheds light onto what went wrong internally with the Original 7ven(beyond everyone blaming Jesse).

This thread is off the rails. None of what Jellybean said is new info. He never was too crazy about Prince's attitude and numerous Prince bios say Jellybean and Prince don't like each other. And he didn't say Jam and Lewis broke up O7ven. What he is saying is that they are working on other projects, like Jerome Benton's musical. My personal assumptions are this: I think Prince played all of the protoges, when they had that meeting with him, where rumour has it, he complained that they were not speaking kindly enough about him in the media and therefore he was not supoorting their reunions. I think Jam, Lewis and Bobby Z, took the bait and that has caused a rift within The Revolution and The Time, where various members want to go forward without Prince if necessary, while others think it is more beneficial to have his approval and involvement and are willing to play his game to get it. The problem is Prince will just string them along endlessly and in the end they will get no real support from him either way.

funksterr said:

This thread is off the rails. None of what Jellybean said is new info. He never was too crazy about Prince's attitude and numerous Prince bios say Jellybean and Prince don't like each other. And he didn't say Jam and Lewis broke up O7ven. What he is saying is that they are working on other projects, like Jerome Benton's musical. My personal assumptions are this: I think Prince played all of the protoges, when they had that meeting with him, where rumour has it, he complained that they were not speaking kindly enough about him in the media and therefore he was not supoorting their reunions. I think Jam, Lewis and Bobby Z, took the bait and that has caused a rift within The Revolution and The Time, where various members want to go forward without Prince if necessary, while others think it is more beneficial to have his approval and involvement and are willing to play his game to get it. The problem is Prince will just string them along endlessly and in the end they will get no real support from him either way.

Yeah we get it that Prince did those guys wrong but per Jellybean's own words things aint peaches and cream on how the Time members treat each other either. but ofcourse nobody is going to talk about that right? :

"On the other hand, my other people—I was in the Original 7ven with Terry and Jimmy and Jessie Johnson—and they always do this. Anytime a crisis comes, they run off, because they’re rich. They run off, and you don’t hear from them no more. And Jessie Johnson bailed on another project too. So you know I’m just tired of babysitting and bowing down to cats that I grew up with. Because I got talent too. So.."

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funksterr said:

funksterr said:

This thread is off the rails. None of what Jellybean said is new info. He never was too crazy about Prince's attitude and numerous Prince bios say Jellybean and Prince don't like each other. And he didn't say Jam and Lewis broke up O7ven. What he is saying is that they are working on other projects, like Jerome Benton's musical. My personal assumptions are this: I think Prince played all of the protoges, when they had that meeting with him, where rumour has it, he complained that they were not speaking kindly enough about him in the media and therefore he was not supoorting their reunions. I think Jam, Lewis and Bobby Z, took the bait and that has caused a rift within The Revolution and The Time, where various members want to go forward without Prince if necessary, while others think it is more beneficial to have his approval and involvement and are willing to play his game to get it. The problem is Prince will just string them along endlessly and in the end they will get no real support from him either way.

Okay then, but if that is how you see it, then just going by that, it doesn't take much common sense for them to know when it's time to 'cut the placenta' and move on does it?

HonestMan13 said:

I liked the interview and Jellybean can have his opinions on what happened but the fact is he was in 2 bands that had to deal with a name change and one of them ain't letting it stop the show. Also like that he laid some blame on Jimmy and Terry finally about things going south with the O7. The issues with Prince are old news and it's time to stop rehashing it for the sake of selling an interview. It gives the impression of these people being bitter over old events even when they are just relaying their experiences. I'm glad Prince didn't get involved with either the Original 7ven or FDeluxe, if gave them a chance to stand on their own as acts and musicians without having his name attached to the projects. Also it's all their credit to how these projects sink or swim. Jellybean is a cool dude though whenever we see him at an event. He'a always smiling and taking pics with the fans. Truly a great soul.

Any & Everyone should have known that Jam & Lewis don't need 2 tour!!!!! Nothin was truly on the books, that's why Jesse left!!!!! Terry was managing the O7ven....conflict of interest!!!!! A REAL Manager/Booking Agent woulda had their asses on the Road, somewhere they REALLY didn't wanna b. Glad I got 2 C 'em in MPLS Nov 2011!!!!!

p.s.: If u go back 2 the "Video Soul in Mpls" show, We've been hearing the SAME promise SINCE!!!

NOW WHAT TIME IS IT???????

woogiebear said:

Any & Everyone should have known that Jam & Lewis don't need 2 tour!!!!!

Neither does Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, The Eagles, Madonna, The Rolling Stones, U2, and a lot of other acts. But it doesn't stop them from touring. I'd say Paul & Ringo are more wealthy than Jam & Lewis, so not needing the money isn't really an excuse for dropping out. Michael Nesmith recently finished a tour with The Monkees and is now going on a solo tour. He doesn't really need to perform at all since his mother invented Liquid Paper and he inherited her fortune.

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Wow, a lightbulb just went on in my head. When I met Jelly back in '06 I was confused because he was carrying a guitar case...I didn't know about his guitar chops at the time.

This was one of the most candid interviews I've read in awhile. No navel gazing BS and I appreciate that, He admits being bitter about certain things but hey, I guess he doesn't feel the need to sugarcoat anything. What he actually did was answer the questions the interviewer asked him and he talks about a lot more than Prince too.

If you read the entire piece, he talks about moving on and apparently has done so because he gives details about the many folks he has worked with. Everybody tells stories about their difficulties, past and present especially when times are tough so Jelly is no different than anyone else in that regard.

Best of luck to him. He's a very cool dude and I hope he gets back on his feet very soon.

Thanks for the interview and the excellent videos of Jellybean playing the blues. Great to see how versatile he is and hear about his other projects.

babynoz said:

Wow, a lightbulb just went on in my head. When I met Jelly back in '06 I was confused because he was carrying a guitar case...I didn't know about his guitar chops at the time.

This was one of the most candid interviews I've read in awhile. No navel gazing BS and I appreciate that, He admits being bitter about certain things but hey, I guess he doesn't feel the need to sugarcoat anything. What he actually did was answer the questions the interviewer asked him and he talks about a lot more than Prince too.

If you read the entire piece, he talks about moving on and apparently has done so because he gives details about the many folks he has worked with. Everybody tells stories about their difficulties, past and present especially when times are tough so Jelly is no different than anyone else in that regard.

Best of luck to him. He's a very cool dude and I hope he gets back on his feet very soon.

Thanks for the interview and the excellent videos of Jellybean playing the blues. Great to see how versatile he is and hear about his other projects.

Hey Sis! Well I do agree it was frank as hell maybe we do need more of that.

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MickyDolenz said:

woogiebear said:

Any & Everyone should have known that Jam & Lewis don't need 2 tour!!!!!

Neither does Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, The Eagles, Madonna, The Rolling Stones, U2, and a lot of other acts. But it doesn't stop them from touring. I'd say Paul & Ringo are more wealthy than Jam & Lewis, so not needing the money isn't really an excuse for dropping out. Michael Nesmith recently finished a tour with The Monkees and is now going on a solo tour. He doesn't really need to perform at all since his mother invented Liquid Paper and he inherited her fortune.

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True, BUT- all those Guys are still "Touring Musicians" except Jam & Lewis. Jesse really wanted 2 tour, so He hooked up w/D'Angelo

wonder505 said:

babynoz said:

Wow, a lightbulb just went on in my head. When I met Jelly back in '06 I was confused because he was carrying a guitar case...I didn't know about his guitar chops at the time.

This was one of the most candid interviews I've read in awhile. No navel gazing BS and I appreciate that, He admits being bitter about certain things but hey, I guess he doesn't feel the need to sugarcoat anything. What he actually did was answer the questions the interviewer asked him and he talks about a lot more than Prince too.

If you read the entire piece, he talks about moving on and apparently has done so because he gives details about the many folks he has worked with. Everybody tells stories about their difficulties, past and present especially when times are tough so Jelly is no different than anyone else in that regard.

Best of luck to him. He's a very cool dude and I hope he gets back on his feet very soon.

Thanks for the interview and the excellent videos of Jellybean playing the blues. Great to see how versatile he is and hear about his other projects.

Hey Sis! Well I do agree it was frank as hell maybe we do need more of that.

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Hey!

The brotha don't mince words, that's for sure...

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Great interview. The usual cockjockeys will always try to make a case for Prince.

Is Bean bitter? Hell yeah! He should be. $150 a week? WTF? Tell ya what: Imagine one of your close friends becomes a millionaire and then he/she tells you they have a job for you. Come work for them and they have your back. Then they pay you less than minimum wage. Its just more proof that the "trickle down theory" doesn't work. People take advantage to those closest to them because they can get away with it. Why wouldn't he feel bitter? He got fucked over by his so-called friend. I see some of you have no concept of loyalty, so it speaks volumes when people support that "48 laws of power" behavior. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for Prince when he whines in his songs about being alone. When you alienate those around you through your deceitful behavior, that is your fate.

Some would rebut that "they wouldn't be anywhere without Prince" but look at it this way:

An architect could say to a carpenter "You wouldn't have a job if I didn't draw this building"

The carpenter could just as easily reply: "Correction, I wouldn't have a job WITH YOU if you didn't draw that building. You are not the only architect." Such can also be said for the members of The Time. As he said, they have all had top 10 records. They have skills. They are architects within their own right. Prince wanted to be the only star and he deliberately manipulated people who trusted him to make sure that is how it went down.

Just because people have to accept the past doesn't mean they should be happy about it.

They weren't his fans; they were there before all of that. They were supposed to be his friends.

Its amazing how some of these rap crews have better business sense than Prince. They stand behind each other and help make each other famous until everyone is well off. They have it right.

BlaqueKnight said:

Great interview. The usual cockjockeys will always try to make a case for Prince.

Is Bean bitter? Hell yeah! He should be. $150 a week? WTF? Tell ya what: Imagine one of your close friends becomes a millionaire and then he/she tells you they have a job for you. Come work for them and they have your back. Then they pay you less than minimum wage. Its just more proof that the "trickle down theory" doesn't work. People take advantage to those closest to them because they can get away with it. Why wouldn't he feel bitter? He got fucked over by his so-called friend. I see some of you have no concept of loyalty, so it speaks volumes when people support that "48 laws of power" behavior. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for Prince when he whines in his songs about being alone. When you alienate those around you through your deceitful behavior, that is your fate.

Some would rebut that "they wouldn't be anywhere without Prince" but look at it this way:

An architect could say to a carpenter "You wouldn't have a job if I didn't draw this building"

The carpenter could just as easily reply: "Correction, I wouldn't have a job WITH YOU if you didn't draw that building. You are not the only architect." Such can also be said for the members of The Time. As he said, they have all had top 10 records. They have skills. They are architects within their own right. Prince wanted to be the only star and he deliberately manipulated people who trusted him to make sure that is how it went down.

Just because people have to accept the past doesn't mean they should be happy about it.

They weren't his fans; they were there before all of that. They were supposed to be his friends.

Its amazing how some of these rap crews have better business sense than Prince. They stand behind each other and help make each other famous until everyone is well off. They have it right.

BlaqueKnight said:

Great interview. The usual cockjockeys will always try to make a case for Prince.

Is Bean bitter? Hell yeah! He should be. $150 a week? WTF? Tell ya what: Imagine one of your close friends becomes a millionaire and then he/she tells you they have a job for you. Come work for them and they have your back. Then they pay you less than minimum wage. Its just more proof that the "trickle down theory" doesn't work. People take advantage to those closest to them because they can get away with it. Why wouldn't he feel bitter? He got fucked over by his so-called friend. I see some of you have no concept of loyalty, so it speaks volumes when people support that "48 laws of power" behavior. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for Prince when he whines in his songs about being alone. When you alienate those around you through your deceitful behavior, that is your fate.

Some would rebut that "they wouldn't be anywhere without Prince" but look at it this way:

An architect could say to a carpenter "You wouldn't have a job if I didn't draw this building"

The carpenter could just as easily reply: "Correction, I wouldn't have a job WITH YOU if you didn't draw that building. You are not the only architect." Such can also be said for the members of The Time. As he said, they have all had top 10 records. They have skills. They are architects within their own right. Prince wanted to be the only star and he deliberately manipulated people who trusted him to make sure that is how it went down.

Just because people have to accept the past doesn't mean they should be happy about it.

They weren't his fans; they were there before all of that. They were supposed to be his friends.

Its amazing how some of these rap crews have better business sense than Prince. They stand behind each other and help make each other famous until everyone is well off. They have it right.

I can see your line of thought. So what stopped Jam & Lewis from sharing in the wealth once they made it or Jesse(who Bean thinks is rich) once he went solo? Once the Time officially disbanded what stopped theses dudes from gathering the original members and making sure everyone could eat.

Also I never heard anyone other than Morris(from the Time) say Prince was his friend growing up. Did they know each other yeah but that doesn't mean they were tight. They were all from rival groups at the beginning if the story was correct.

Everyone wants to see the Time as this band of brothers versus Prince but this interview shows that they have enough of their own in house bullshit to go around that has nothing to do with Prince. Even Jerome bounced on Morris over money(and he was making more than Bean) so let's not act like these dudes were in it for the love of the group.

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HonestMan13 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Great interview. The usual cockjockeys will always try to make a case for Prince.

Is Bean bitter? Hell yeah! He should be. $150 a week? WTF? Tell ya what: Imagine one of your close friends becomes a millionaire and then he/she tells you they have a job for you. Come work for them and they have your back. Then they pay you less than minimum wage. Its just more proof that the "trickle down theory" doesn't work. People take advantage to those closest to them because they can get away with it. Why wouldn't he feel bitter? He got fucked over by his so-called friend. I see some of you have no concept of loyalty, so it speaks volumes when people support that "48 laws of power" behavior. I feel no sympathy whatsoever for Prince when he whines in his songs about being alone. When you alienate those around you through your deceitful behavior, that is your fate.

Some would rebut that "they wouldn't be anywhere without Prince" but look at it this way:

An architect could say to a carpenter "You wouldn't have a job if I didn't draw this building"

The carpenter could just as easily reply: "Correction, I wouldn't have a job WITH YOU if you didn't draw that building. You are not the only architect." Such can also be said for the members of The Time. As he said, they have all had top 10 records. They have skills. They are architects within their own right. Prince wanted to be the only star and he deliberately manipulated people who trusted him to make sure that is how it went down.

Just because people have to accept the past doesn't mean they should be happy about it.

They weren't his fans; they were there before all of that. They were supposed to be his friends.

Its amazing how some of these rap crews have better business sense than Prince. They stand behind each other and help make each other famous until everyone is well off. They have it right.

Everyone wants to see the Time as this band of brothers versus Prince but this interview shows that they have enough of their own in house bullshit to go around that has nothing to do with Prince. Even Jerome bounced on Morris over money(and he was making more than Bean) so let's not act like these dudes were in it for the love of the group.

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Isnt it amazing how the usual suspects here totally skip over or refuse to address what Jellybean had to say about the members of the Time? Its all Prince Prince Prince.