Okay, so I've been thinking about this recently and I gotta say, is Gaslight the worst title for a reunited Family album or what? Anyone know the meaning behind it? It sounds like a bar band name or something. I think that's why I don't like it. What do you all think?

It didn't strike me either, I don't get it (beyond the album track).

Seriously, I'm feeling it. I'm so excited about this project because I keep seeing these little pieces of things that remind me of a classier time with Prince music. Pieces that I believe are largely coming from Susannah and her artistic sensibilities. I think we are about to get a very interesting window into what type of an influence she likely was on Prince.

You know, I was really excited about this record.... A year or two ago. Release it already. Call it "garbage can" for all I care.

Spinlight said:

You know, I was really excited about this record.... A year or two ago. Release it already. Call it "garbage can" for all I care.

^^ This, the waiting game is beyond boring now.

So that's what they're naming the new record? They had been working it on for four years. I feel the same thing about the Time's next album, like whatever lol

sosgemini said:

Okay, so I've been thinking about this recently and I gotta say, is Gaslight the worst title for a reunited Family album or what? Anyone know the meaning behind it? It sounds like a bar band name or something. I think that's why I don't like it. What do you all think?

to slowly and methodically psychologically manipulate a person, with the goal of driving them insane

coop said:

sosgemini said:

Okay, so I've been thinking about this recently and I gotta say, is Gaslight the worst title for a reunited Family album or what? Anyone know the meaning behind it? It sounds like a bar band name or something. I think that's why I don't like it. What do you all think?

to slowly and methodically psychologically manipulate a person, with the goal of driving them insane

Appropriate in so many ways.

It's a fine album title. Could be a lot worse, you could be a Chicago fan.

squirrelgrease said:

It's a fine album title. Could be a lot worse, you could be a Chicago fan.

Or a Boston fan.

You would think that after a few albums Chicago would have gotten bored and come up with a really mad name for something.

[Edited 6/9/11 17:25pm]

coop said:

sosgemini said:

Okay, so I've been thinking about this recently and I gotta say, is Gaslight the worst title for a reunited Family album or what? Anyone know the meaning behind it? It sounds like a bar band name or something. I think that's why I don't like it. What do you all think?

to slowly and methodically psychologically manipulate a person, with the goal of driving them insane

Interesting...here's more info from wiki:

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. Gaslighting had a colloquial origin explained below, but the term has also been used in clinical and research literature.

Etymology

The term derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light (originally known as Angel Street in the United States), and the 1940 and1944 film adaptations. The plot concerns a husband who attempts to drive his wife to insanity by manipulating small elements of their environment, and insisting that she is mistaken or misremembering when she points out these changes. The title stems from the husband's subtle dimming of the house's gas lights, which she accurately notices and which the husband insists she's imagining.

Gaslighting has been used colloquially since at least the late 1970s to describe efforts to manipulate someone's sense of reality. In a 1980 book on child sex abuse, Florence Rush summarized George Cukor's 1944 film version of Gas Light, and writes, "even today the word [gaslight] is used to describe an attempt to destroy another's perception of reality." ^[3]

Introjection

In an influential article "Some Clinical Consequences of Introjection: Gaslighting", the authors argue that gaslighting involves theprojection and introjection of psychic conflicts from the perpetrator to the victim: 'this imposition is based on a very special kind of "transfer"...of painful and potentially painful mental conflicts'.^[4]

They explore a variety of reasons why the victims may have 'a tendency to incorporate and assimilate what others externalize and project onto them', and conclude that gaslighting can be 'a very complex, highly structured configuration which encompasses contributions from many elements of the psychic apparatus'.^[5]

Resisting

With respect to women in particular, Hilda Nelson argued that "in gaslighting cases...ability to resist depends on her ability to trust her own judgements"^[6] Establishing "counterstories" to that of the gaslighter may help the victim re-acquire or even for the first time "acquire ordinary levels of free agency."^[7]

Clinical and popular examples

• Psychologist Martha Stout states that sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but are also typically charming and convincing liars who consistently denywrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.^[8]
• Jacobson and Gottman report that some physically abusive husbands may gaslight their wives, even flatly denying that they have used violence.^[2]
• Psychologists Gass and Nichols use the term gaslighting to describe a dynamic observed in some cases of marital infidelity:

"Male therapists may contribute to the women's distress through mislabeling the women's reactions. [...] The gaslighting behaviors of the husband provide a recipe for the so-called 'nervous breakdown' for some women [and] suicide in some of the worst situations."^[1]

• The Manson Family, during their "creepy crawler" burglaries of the late 1960s, would enter homes and steal nothing, but would rearrange furniture to upset and confuse residents.^[9]

onemorething said:

Everybody has a little plight under the sun . . .

...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the s...oh, sorry.

Carry on.

sosgemini said:

coop said:

to slowly and methodically psychologically manipulate a person, with the goal of driving them insane

Interesting...here's more info from wiki:

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. Gaslighting had a colloquial origin explained below, but the term has also been used in clinical and research literature.

Etymology

The term derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light (originally known as Angel Street in the United States), and the 1940 and1944 film adaptations. The plot concerns a husband who attempts to drive his wife to insanity by manipulating small elements of their environment, and insisting that she is mistaken or misremembering when she points out these changes. The title stems from the husband's subtle dimming of the house's gas lights, which she accurately notices and which the husband insists she's imagining.

Gaslighting has been used colloquially since at least the late 1970s to describe efforts to manipulate someone's sense of reality. In a 1980 book on child sex abuse, Florence Rush summarized George Cukor's 1944 film version of Gas Light, and writes, "even today the word [gaslight] is used to describe an attempt to destroy another's perception of reality." ^[3]

Introjection

In an influential article "Some Clinical Consequences of Introjection: Gaslighting", the authors argue that gaslighting involves theprojection and introjection of psychic conflicts from the perpetrator to the victim: 'this imposition is based on a very special kind of "transfer"...of painful and potentially painful mental conflicts'.^[4]

They explore a variety of reasons why the victims may have 'a tendency to incorporate and assimilate what others externalize and project onto them', and conclude that gaslighting can be 'a very complex, highly structured configuration which encompasses contributions from many elements of the psychic apparatus'.^[5]

Resisting

With respect to women in particular, Hilda Nelson argued that "in gaslighting cases...ability to resist depends on her ability to trust her own judgements"^[6] Establishing "counterstories" to that of the gaslighter may help the victim re-acquire or even for the first time "acquire ordinary levels of free agency."^[7]

Clinical and popular examples

• Psychologist Martha Stout states that sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but are also typically charming and convincing liars who consistently denywrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.^[8]
• Jacobson and Gottman report that some physically abusive husbands may gaslight their wives, even flatly denying that they have used violence.^[2]
• Psychologists Gass and Nichols use the term gaslighting to describe a dynamic observed in some cases of marital infidelity:

"Male therapists may contribute to the women's distress through mislabeling the women's reactions. [...] The gaslighting behaviors of the husband provide a recipe for the so-called 'nervous breakdown' for some women [and] suicide in some of the worst situations."^[1]

• The Manson Family, during their "creepy crawler" burglaries of the late 1960s, would enter homes and steal nothing, but would rearrange furniture to upset and confuse residents.^[9]

You will find (if they have not died out) random Queer bars dotted around the country called The Gaslight based on the old movies, and because of the gaslight affect imposed onto Queer culture and people.

Well, it's better than 'Gasbag,' i guess.

allsmutaside said:

sosgemini said:

Interesting...here's more info from wiki:

Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse in which false information is presented to the victim with the intent of making them doubt their own memory and perception. It may simply be the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, or it could be the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. Gaslighting had a colloquial origin explained below, but the term has also been used in clinical and research literature.

Etymology

The term derives from the 1938 stage play Gas Light (originally known as Angel Street in the United States), and the 1940 and1944 film adaptations. The plot concerns a husband who attempts to drive his wife to insanity by manipulating small elements of their environment, and insisting that she is mistaken or misremembering when she points out these changes. The title stems from the husband's subtle dimming of the house's gas lights, which she accurately notices and which the husband insists she's imagining.

Gaslighting has been used colloquially since at least the late 1970s to describe efforts to manipulate someone's sense of reality. In a 1980 book on child sex abuse, Florence Rush summarized George Cukor's 1944 film version of Gas Light, and writes, "even today the word [gaslight] is used to describe an attempt to destroy another's perception of reality." ^[3]

Introjection

In an influential article "Some Clinical Consequences of Introjection: Gaslighting", the authors argue that gaslighting involves theprojection and introjection of psychic conflicts from the perpetrator to the victim: 'this imposition is based on a very special kind of "transfer"...of painful and potentially painful mental conflicts'.^[4]

They explore a variety of reasons why the victims may have 'a tendency to incorporate and assimilate what others externalize and project onto them', and conclude that gaslighting can be 'a very complex, highly structured configuration which encompasses contributions from many elements of the psychic apparatus'.^[5]

Resisting

With respect to women in particular, Hilda Nelson argued that "in gaslighting cases...ability to resist depends on her ability to trust her own judgements"^[6] Establishing "counterstories" to that of the gaslighter may help the victim re-acquire or even for the first time "acquire ordinary levels of free agency."^[7]

Clinical and popular examples

• Psychologist Martha Stout states that sociopaths frequently use gaslighting tactics. Sociopaths consistently transgress social mores, break laws, and exploit others, but are also typically charming and convincing liars who consistently denywrongdoing. Thus, some who have been victimized by sociopaths may doubt their perceptions.^[8]
• Jacobson and Gottman report that some physically abusive husbands may gaslight their wives, even flatly denying that they have used violence.^[2]
• Psychologists Gass and Nichols use the term gaslighting to describe a dynamic observed in some cases of marital infidelity:

"Male therapists may contribute to the women's distress through mislabeling the women's reactions. [...] The gaslighting behaviors of the husband provide a recipe for the so-called 'nervous breakdown' for some women [and] suicide in some of the worst situations."^[1]

• The Manson Family, during their "creepy crawler" burglaries of the late 1960s, would enter homes and steal nothing, but would rearrange furniture to upset and confuse residents.^[9]

You will find (if they have not died out) random Queer bars dotted around the country called The Gaslight based on the old movies, and because of the gaslight affect imposed onto Queer culture and people.

Shouldn't that be Asslight? [img:$uid]http://anchoredbygrace.com/smileys/grin.gif[/img:$uid]

:preparesforfishslap:

Spinlight said:

You know, I was really excited about this record.... A year or two ago. Release it already. Call it "garbage can" for all I care.

It might have been wise to keep the reunion/recording top secret up until recently. Unfortunate band name and the album title is weak.

I love these guys but not sure how lucrative this project will be?? Maybe a co-headlining tour with The Time or Wendy & Lisa would help??

allsmutaside said:

You will find (if they have not died out) random Queer bars dotted around the country called The Gaslight based on the old movies, and because of the gaslight affect imposed onto Queer culture and people.

Indeed, the oldest gay bar in my town, and the very first I ever went into back in 1987, was called The Gaslight. It was bought out several years later and renamed to "Chances". Oh well...

HonEMan said:

I love these guys but not sure how lucrative this project will be?? Maybe a co-headlining tour with The Time or Wendy & Lisa would help??

...or maybe they could do something smart and market to people outside Prince's tiny feudal village.

jtfolden said:

HonEMan said:

I love these guys but not sure how lucrative this project will be?? Maybe a co-headlining tour with The Time or Wendy & Lisa would help??

...or maybe they could do something smart and market to people outside Prince's tiny feudal village.

Would love to see that -- but where would one even start with that these days??

Zannaloaf said:

Sigh. Really? This is what people care about?

Uhh, this is a forum for discussion. It was a thought that flew threw my head that I wanted to discuss. So yeah, sigh, I wanted to discuss it--uhh, not care about. And yes, a good album title is important, period! A crappy album title to a certain generation was the difference between picking up an album or not. And since this album isn't being marketed to teens or anyone born prior to the millennium, IMHO, this album title sucks. If a title has to be explained to "get" and it reads odd in the first place, your title sucks!

If you don't care--don't comment or read the discussion. Tis all.

[Edited 6/12/11 11:29am]

Not crazy about the new logo either. Just sayin'.

sosgemini said:

Zannaloaf said:

sosgemini said:

Zannaloaf said:

Uhh, this is a forum for discussion. It was a thought that flew threw my head that I wanted to discuss. So yeah, sigh, I wanted to discuss it--uhh, not care about. And yes, a good album title is important, period! A crappy album title to a certain generation was the difference between picking up an album or not. And since this album isn't being marketed to teens or anyone born prior to the millennium, IMHO, this album title sucks. If a title has to be explained to "get" and it reads odd in the first place, your title sucks!

If you don't care--don't comment or read the discussion. Tis all.

So [Edited 6/12/11 11:29am]

My point being... Will this stop people from buying it if the music is good?? What did Purple Rain mean to anyone when ot forst dropped ( first example of " what does that mean i could think of". I've bought great albums with crap titles and vice versa.

No, but it will make me wince everytime I look at the hardcopy of it.

sosgemini said:

BlaqueKnight said:

onemorething said:

Everybody has a little plight under the sun . . .

...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the sun!...under the s...oh, sorry.

Carry on.

I am just relieved that Prince has nothing to do with it. I expected nothing more.