purplenuts said:

I dont know about that but he damn sure isnt equal to Prince in any phase of music making. People who want to make him as good as Prince are subject to what I like to call the Wendy and Lisa theory: some way certain old Prince associates are given some credit for making Prince or being better than Prince but never quite proved it after Prince.

Can't we just have one thread without the sycophant bullshit, just one?

purplenuts said:

StonedImmaculate said:

I liked the stuff he did with Jody Watley but other than "The Dance Electric", I just could never get into Andre.

Even knowing the history, he always sounded like a cheap knock off to me.

I dont know about that but he damn sure isnt equal to Prince in any phase of music making. People who want to make him as good as Prince are subject to what I like to call the Wendy and Lisa theory: some way certain old Prince associates are given some credit for making Prince or being better than Prince but never quite proved it after Prince.

In my opinion,Prince should have hired Andre to be an in-house songwriter/producer for Paisley Park Records.Andre is largely responsible for the success of Jody Watley's career.Imagine what he could have done for Paisley Park artists like Jill Jones,who could have used a big hit like "Lookin For A New Love".

SoulAlive said:

purplenuts said:

I dont know about that but he damn sure isnt equal to Prince in any phase of music making. People who want to make him as good as Prince are subject to what I like to call the Wendy and Lisa theory: some way certain old Prince associates are given some credit for making Prince or being better than Prince but never quite proved it after Prince.

In my opinion,Prince should have hired Andre to be an in-house songwriter/producer for Paisley Park Records.Andre is largely responsible for the success of Jody Watley's career.Imagine what he could have done for Paisley Park artists like Jill Jones,who could have used a big hit like "Lookin For A New Love".

paisleypark4 said:

SoulAlive said:

In my opinion,Prince should have hired Andre to be an in-house songwriter/producer for Paisley Park Records.Andre is largely responsible for the success of Jody Watley's career.Imagine what he could have done for Paisley Park artists like Jill Jones,who could have used a big hit like "Lookin For A New Love".

Right?? I would have had Jimmy & Terry / Andre and the gang set up to make hits!

One of the reasons why Paisley Park Records flopped is because Prince was spreading himself too thin.He was writing and producing for all these acts,while still making his own records and movies.There was no way that he oversee the careers of all these people.He should have offered Andre a production deal,and utlilized the songwriting/production talents of other proteges,such as Monte Moir.

lets hope that P doesn't hit him with the legals!! [seems to be his thing again!!] Wouldn't it be just great if they added some new / unreleased joint trax that were of the standard of Dance Electric.

funkyhead said:

lets hope that P doesn't hit him with the legals!! [seems to be his thing again!!] Wouldn't it be just great if they added some new / unreleased joint trax that were of the standard of Dance Electric.

funkyhead said:

hopefully Dance Electric will be on there. Hope there's a proper reason to buy this i.e. new / unrealeased trax. Let's be honest most of us will buy this for the Prince track. AC needs to step up to to plate and put some new stuff on it and show what all the hype about him being as talented as P is all about. I have no doubt that he could do it. Come on AC, show yourself!

I have heard all the hype about how all these other people are responsible for Prince's success.

"Morris Day wrote Partyup...he's the real talent."

"Mazarati really made Kiss what it is...they are the real talent."

"Andre Cymone wore the underwear first, he's the real Prince vision."

"Wendy and Lisa obviously were the reason Prince was so good in the 80's."

Sure, some of these people were big influences on Prince, but if they were so important, why has Prince continued to do so well after they were all long gone? Why have all of them fell off of the face of the earth? Sure, Wendy&Lisa have made some fine music, but have barely sold many copies of anything.

Prince did most of Sign "O" The Times by himself. If you still think that those others were just as talented, then why have they all had lackluster sales? Please.

Jesse Johnson's Verbal Penetration is one of the best associated artist releases in years...it only took him 15 years to make it.

stillwaiting said:

Prince did most of Sign "O" The Times by himself. If you still think that those others were just as talented, then why have they all had lackluster sales? Please.

Jesse Johnson's Verbal Penetration is one of the best associated artist releases in years...it only took him 15 years to make it.

Yeah because we have all seen Prince play multiple horn parts and play a whole host of symphonic stringed instruments...wait...oh, my bad. [img:$uid]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee105/Prometheus364/Emoticons/Expressive%20Emoticons/raised_eyebrow.gif[/img:$uid]

As for Andre, I'd rather get some new music from this dude rather than hearing the old stuff remastered...but its a start.

[Edited 5/29/11 9:59am]

on that facebook page,a fan mentions a B-side called "Fallin,Fallin",which he says was on the B-side of the "Lipstick Lover" US single.Has anyone heard this song before?

"Red Light" has already been confirmed as one of the bonus tracks.

Book of Love sounds like Prince through and through - it is reminiscent of Erotic City. Love it.

I also really like Lipstick Lover, very catchy!!

SoulAlive said:

paisleypark4 said:

Right?? I would have had Jimmy & Terry / Andre and the gang set up to make hits!

One of the reasons why Paisley Park Records flopped is because Prince was spreading himself too thin.He was writing and producing for all these acts,while still making his own records and movies.There was no way that he oversee the careers of all these people.He should have offered Andre a production deal,and utlilized the songwriting/production talents of other proteges,such as Monte Moir.

Yea ya never know what could have been! Everything happens for a reason though.

SoulAlive said:

ALL OVER MY FACE!

NouveauDance said:

SoulAlive said:

ALL OVER MY FACE!

Do u have the link for the cover & the traxlist?

thanx

It's not up on their website yet:

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/bbr/index.php

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/newreleases.php

Incidently. Cherry Red do a lot of reissues, BBR is the R&B side of things I guess, but I have a few of their other releases like La Toya Jackson, Dead or Alive and SAW acts - they usually put a lot of work into them, liner notes etc - so we should be in for a treat!

I do wanna pick up those Pointer Sisters ones too, especially Contact.

[Edited 6/13/11 14:11pm]

NouveauDance said:

purplenuts said:

I dont know about that but he damn sure isnt equal to Prince in any phase of music making. People who want to make him as good as Prince are subject to what I like to call the Wendy and Lisa theory: some way certain old Prince associates are given some credit for making Prince or being better than Prince but never quite proved it after Prince.

Can't we just have one thread without the sycophant bullshit, just one?

No !!! Call it sycophant bullshit if you want to but the underlaying issue is true. None of the so-called talented has beens have not done anything decent in over 20 fucking years. P has had a least one decent cut on everything he has put out in over the last decade. He is putting on the best shows of his carreer.

Andre Cymone had disappeared from the planet and I have not liked anything W&L have done since their first solo recording back in 1988. If you took a random poll a vast amount of people would not know W&L from Adam. I keep coming to this board and seeing the same thing over and over again that these folks are very talented well it takes more than just being a talented musician and these two artist do not have the full package and could never go the distance.

BlaqueKnight said:

stillwaiting said:

Prince did most of Sign "O" The Times by himself. If you still think that those others were just as talented, then why have they all had lackluster sales? Please.

Jesse Johnson's Verbal Penetration is one of the best associated artist releases in years...it only took him 15 years to make it.

Yeah because we have all seen Prince play multiple horn parts and play a whole host of symphonic stringed instruments...wait...oh, my bad. [img:$uid]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee105/Prometheus364/Emoticons/Expressive%20Emoticons/raised_eyebrow.gif[/img:$uid]

Clare Fischer wrote the string parts. Eric Leeds and Atlanta Bliss wrote horn parts. Wendy and Lisa contributed. Sheila played and even Miko got a solo on that record. You couldn't be more wrong about SOTT. The band contributed.

Prince has been notorious for recording everything his musicians do and later stealing licks from them. Just because he played something doesn't mean he made it all up himself. There is no doubt that Prince is talented but some of the uberfans who were captivated by the Warner Bros. hype machine and fell into believing that Prince plays 2600 instruments at master level all by himself, all of the time on everything he does are just delusional.

Whenever any professional musician works with a group of talented musicians he/she will be affected by them as well as inspired. All good/great musicians know this. Music fans tend to lack a degree of understanding of the processes of making music, so they miss out on comprehending this.

As for Andre, I'd rather get some new music from this dude rather than hearing the old stuff remastered...but its a start.

[Edited 5/29/11 9:59am]

Funny how you did not answer this question

Why has Prince continued to do so well after they were all long gone? Why have all of them fell off of the face of the earth? Sure, Wendy&Lisa have made some fine music, but have barely sold many copies of anything.

As far as the rest of you nonsense nobody really belived all of the WB hype. We know talent and work ethic it is what we see and hear any props P gets he deserves. The former employees have a long way to go to catch up.

NouveauDance said:

purplenuts said:

I dont know about that but he damn sure isnt equal to Prince in any phase of music making. People who want to make him as good as Prince are subject to what I like to call the Wendy and Lisa theory: some way certain old Prince associates are given some credit for making Prince or being better than Prince but never quite proved it after Prince.

Can't we just have one thread without the sycophant bullshit, just one?

Probably not because we can't seem to have a thread without the negative, recreant, anti-Prince hater that comes to a Prince fansite on a regular basis.

[Edited 6/14/11 14:53pm]

laurarichardson said:

Funny how you did not answer this question

Why has Prince continued to do so well after they were all long gone? Why have all of them fell off of the face of the earth? Sure, Wendy&Lisa have made some fine music, but have barely sold many copies of anything.

As far as the rest of you nonsense nobody really belived all of the WB hype. We know talent and work ethic it is what we see and hear any props P gets he deserves. The former employees have a long way to go to catch up.

I have answered that question many times before. It takes a while to type because its not a simple answer and I'm just not in the mood today. I'd rather talk about the possibility of new music from Dre on an Andre Cymone thread. You got any info on some new "beats by Dre?"

freedomrider said:

Probably not because we can't seem to have a thread without the negative, recreant, anti-Prince hater that comes to a Prince fansite on a regular basis.

Double negative? Does that mean you're talking about people who hate anti-Prince people?

NouveauDance said:

freedomrider said:

Probably not because we can't seem to have a thread without the negative, recreant, anti-Prince hater that comes to a Prince fansite on a regular basis.

Double negative? Does that mean you're talking about people who hate anti-Prince people?

Bend over and figure it out:lol:

BBR CD release of ANDRÉ CYMONE - A.C. (Expanded Edition)

Release date: August 29

His childhood friend and one-time bandmate PRINCE once described ANDRÉ CYMONE as “heaven sent”. Having grown up together and lived together, CYMONE played bass for PRINCE’s backing band in the days before it was called The Revolution.

By 1981, relations between PRINCE and CYMONE had broken down and he went solo, signing with Columbia Records and launching a career as a New Wave/Funk artist.

Originally released in 1985, A.C. was ANDRÉ CYMONE’s third and final solo album. It contains his biggest hit, the #10 R&B single THE DANCE ELECTRIC, written and produced by PRINCE, who had offered CYMONE the track when the two met in a nightclub.

Fans of both ANDRÉ CYMONE and PRINCE have been campaigning for decades to have A.C. released on CD. BBR is very proud to present the first ever CD issue of A.C. anywhere in the world, in full and expanded form, complete with extensive liner notes that feature interviews along with added bonus tracks.

Released in deluxe Super Jewel cases this BBR Remaster is a must have for all New Wave, Funk and Soul fans out there!

1. THE DANCE ELECTRIC
2. LIPSTICK LOVER
3. PRETTY WILD GIRL
4. BOOK OF LOVE
5. SATISFACTION
6. SWEET SENSUALITY
7. VACATION
8. NEON PUSSYCAT

BONUS TRACKS:

9. THE DANCE ELECTRIC (LONG VERSION)
10. LIPSTICK LOVER (CLUB MIX)
11. SATISFACTION (12" REMIX)
12. RED LIGHT
13. FALLIN' FALLIN'
14. THE DANCE ELECTRIC (SINGLE VERSION)
15. LIPSTICK LOVER (INSTRUMENTAL)
16. SATISFACTION (SINGLE VERSION)

It's been ages since I dug the album and Dance Electric 12" out but isn't the Long Version the album version?

jjam said:

It's been ages since I dug the album and Dance Electric 12" out but isn't the Long Version the album version?

Exactly what I was thinking. I have both the album and 12" too. I'll have to check the times on each but I'm pretty sure they're the same. If so then what would be the difference of these two tracks on the CD? Still would like to hear it remastered though.

I'm pretty sure it's the same - same length, unless there's different instrumentation or something like that. Still, that's a pretty bitchin' tracklist.

NouveauDance said:

I'm pretty sure it's the same - same length, unless there's different instrumentation or something like that. Still, that's a pretty bitchin' tracklist.

that's what I love about Big Break Records.When they remaster an album,they give you all the goodies.....12" versions,B-sides,single versions,etc.You should see the tracklist for The Pointer Sister's 'Breakout' remaster!! It's incredible.

I never even heard "Fallin,Fallin".It was the B-side of the "Lipstick Lover" single.

I may check this out. I'd never heard the song Dance Electric until it played in one of those "Best of Soul Train" '80s reruns on WGN a few years ago.

afro75 said:

I may check this out. I'd never heard the song Dance Electric until it played in one of those "Best of Soul Train" '80s reruns on WGN a few years ago.

It's a great album,especially if you like the mid-80s Minneapolis Sound.There are six excellent uptemto jams and two sexy ballads.Highlights: Dance Electric,Pretty Wild Girl,Book Of Love and Neon Pussycat.