Militant said:

Yawn. You are tiresome. Like I said - people are going to believe what they want regardless.

I'm not here for people like you who have absolutely NOTHING of worth to add to the conversation.

Square1entertainment said:

Yes, there is. And re the trademark, unfortunately you are also misinformed.

It's official, you are misinformed, as per this official source, Square1entertainment.

cbarnes3121 said:

people can say what they want but these are all groups prince created not wendy or lisa, jimmy jam none of them they have 2 go by his flow when warner signed thoses deals they were made with prince not paul,susanahh, morris none of em they were all signed through prince production company so if they want the name but it from him.if they had control over it jimmy and terry wouldnt have had 2 leave the time prince fired them not morris they knew what they were involved with them so everybody can stop bitching now cuz prince owns he dont owe morris wendy paul none of them nothing

Can you form a real sentence please. I'd like to know what you are trying to say.

Militant said:

That's fair, Chiquetet.

But the fact that the status has not changed in over 2 years seems to be quite telling.

It tells you one thing. Prince doesn't OWN it. When my llc applied for a trademark it was LIVE until we got it. Then it was no longer LIVE. If you've never applied for a trademark how do you know what you are talking about? If you said any point you were just guessing I wouldn't be so adamant about this, but you keep posting like it is fact - and it does not appear to be. You do know that Sqaureone guy is the bands manager...so he might know what he is talking about.

Zannaloaf said:

Militant said:

That's fair, Chiquetet.

But the fact that the status has not changed in over 2 years seems to be quite telling.

It tells you one thing. Prince doesn't OWN it. When my llc applied for a trademark it was LIVE until we got it. Then it was no longer LIVE. If you've never applied for a trademark how do you know what you are talking about? If you said any point you were just guessing I wouldn't be so adamant about this, but you keep posting like it is fact - and it does not appear to be. You do know that Sqaureone guy is the bands manager...so he might know what he is talking about.

What was the status after you got it then? Dead? That makes no sense. I'm familiar with the British process, I can't imagine the US is THAT different. I'm just basing it on the evidence I can see, Square1 "claims" to manage them but has not only provided no evidence to back that up but also no evidence to defend his point, simply preferring to tell me I'm wrong and misinformed but not saying why or on what basis.

Militant said:

Zannaloaf said:

It tells you one thing. Prince doesn't OWN it. When my llc applied for a trademark it was LIVE until we got it. Then it was no longer LIVE. If you've never applied for a trademark how do you know what you are talking about? If you said any point you were just guessing I wouldn't be so adamant about this, but you keep posting like it is fact - and it does not appear to be. You do know that Sqaureone guy is the bands manager...so he might know what he is talking about.

What was the status after you got it then? Dead? That makes no sense. I'm familiar with the British process, I can't imagine the US is THAT different. I'm just basing it on the evidence I can see, Square1 "claims" to manage them but has not only provided no evidence to back that up but also no evidence to defend his point, simply preferring to tell me I'm wrong and misinformed but not saying why or on what basis.

also:

That first one is some good evidence - Thanks! But the second one, not so much as the filing is for the name "Puff Daddy & The Family" not The Family on it's own.

Militant said:

Zannaloaf said:

It tells you one thing. Prince doesn't OWN it. When my llc applied for a trademark it was LIVE until we got it. Then it was no longer LIVE. If you've never applied for a trademark how do you know what you are talking about? If you said any point you were just guessing I wouldn't be so adamant about this, but you keep posting like it is fact - and it does not appear to be. You do know that Sqaureone guy is the bands manager...so he might know what he is talking about.

What was the status after you got it then? Dead? That makes no sense. I'm familiar with the British process, I can't imagine the US is THAT different. I'm just basing it on the evidence I can see, Square1 "claims" to manage them but has not only provided no evidence to back that up but also no evidence to defend his point, simply preferring to tell me I'm wrong and misinformed but not saying why or on what basis.

If there are only two options for the status of the application, then presumably once the application is processed, one way or the other, it becomes 'dead' (simply by virtue of it no longer being 'live'). I would have thought there might be a third status, being 'completed/successful' or similar, but I have absolutely no idea of that - but 'live' in the context of an application surely means that the application is still being processed.

I'm generally wary of anyone offering information and claiming to be an official source (as evidenced earlier in this thread), but nothing about Square1's posts have given me any reason to be suspicious - I would be a lot MORE suspicious if they spent hours providing evidence and defending their words to a bunch of fans as if it were of any importance to them.

As they said, they responded as a matter of courtesy - they don't really owe you an explanation. If you want to keep believing that Prince owns the name and that's the beginning and the end of it, then obviously you're free to.

Maybe he does but, somewhat ironically, it was the link you offered that's eventually swayed me to thinking otherwise

It wouldn't make sense for it to say LIVE meaning up in the air. LIVE means the registration is in tact and up to date. DEAD (in red colors) means it is lapsed. So, according to that website Prince is up to date with his Vanity 6, The Family, etc trademarks, but he has let some (like Androgynine and Pop Music Records) lapse.

Zannaloaf said:

Militant said:

What was the status after you got it then? Dead? That makes no sense. I'm familiar with the British process, I can't imagine the US is THAT different. I'm just basing it on the evidence I can see, Square1 "claims" to manage them but has not only provided no evidence to back that up but also no evidence to defend his point, simply preferring to tell me I'm wrong and misinformed but not saying why or on what basis.

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=4008%3Ao5paa7.1.1&p_search=searchss&p_L=50&BackReference=&p_plural=yes&p_s_PARA1=&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24LD&expr=PARA1+AND+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=%22the+family%22&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24COMB&p_op_ALL=AND&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query&a_search=Submit+Query Word Mark	THE FAMILY
Goods and Services	IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: HUNTING GAME CALLS
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code	(4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number	85161569
Filing Date	October 26, 2010
Current Filing Basis	1B
Original Filing Basis	1B
Published for Opposition	March 22, 2011
Owner	(APPLICANT) Wildgame Innovations, LLC LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY LOUISIANA 101 Cason Road, 1st Floor Broussard LOUISIANA 70518
Attorney of Record	Robert L. Waddell
Type of Mark	TRADEMARK
Register	PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator	LIVE

Word Mark	THE FAMILY
Goods and Services	IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: Audio and video recordings featuring music and artistic performances
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code	(4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number	85154691
Filing Date	October 18, 2010
Current Filing Basis	NO FILING BASIS
Original Filing Basis	NO FILING BASIS
Owner	(APPLICANT) MBK Entertainment, Inc. CORPORATION NEW YORK 240 West 35th Street. 18th FL New York NEW YORK 10001
Type of Mark	TRADEMARK
Register	PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator	LIVE

Well, this just says they applied for it. Doesn't mean they won it.

Woah, hang on.

PP application: http://www.tmquest.com/77792684.htm

Spinlight said:

It wouldn't make sense for it to say LIVE meaning up in the air. LIVE means the registration is in tact and up to date. DEAD (in red colors) means it is lapsed. So, according to that website Prince is up to date with his Vanity 6, The Family, etc trademarks, but he has let some (like Androgynine and Pop Music Records) lapse.

MBK Entertainment application: http://www.tmquest.com/85154691.htm

Spinlight said:

Well, this just says they applied for it. Doesn't mean they won it.

I'm confused - the PP application is 'live' and you said in the first post that it wouldn't make sense if live meant up in the air. Yet the MBK Entertainment application is also 'live' and you said that it just says they applied for it.

I notice that neither of them have a registration number nor date. My reading of the information here is that the applications are live - the registrations are not.

Here we are nearly 30 years after they first opened for Prince playning the same songs that Prince made for them back then. At the end of the day, Prince is the Time - still.

Chiquetet said:

Woah, hang on.

PP application: http://www.tmquest.com/77792684.htm

Spinlight said:

It wouldn't make sense for it to say LIVE meaning up in the air. LIVE means the registration is in tact and up to date. DEAD (in red colors) means it is lapsed. So, according to that website Prince is up to date with his Vanity 6, The Family, etc trademarks, but he has let some (like Androgynine and Pop Music Records) lapse.

MBK Entertainment application: http://www.tmquest.com/85154691.htm

Spinlight said:

Well, this just says they applied for it. Doesn't mean they won it.

I'm confused - the PP application is 'live' and you said in the first post that it wouldn't make sense if live meant up in the air. Yet the MBK Entertainment application is also 'live' and you said that it just says they applied for it.

I notice that neither of them have a registration number nor date. My reading of the information here is that the applications are live - the registrations are not.

Well, as you can see - it says MBK is an applicant on what I was replying to. Your link via TMQuest doesn't say applicant.

More interesting to me, though, is that they are two different kinds of marks. A Trademark and Trademark/Service Mark. I don't know the difference. Additionally, they are trademarked for different reasons, which I do know does make a difference.

Paisley Park:

And MBK:

Spinlight said:

Chiquetet said:

Woah, hang on.

PP application: http://www.tmquest.com/77792684.htm

I'm confused - the PP application is 'live' and you said in the first post that it wouldn't make sense if live meant up in the air. Yet the MBK Entertainment application is also 'live' and you said that it just says they applied for it.

I notice that neither of them have a registration number nor date. My reading of the information here is that the applications are live - the registrations are not.

Well, as you can see - it says MBK is an applicant on what I was replying to. Your link via TMQuest doesn't say applicant.

More interesting to me, though, is that they are two different kinds of marks. A Trademark and Trademark/Service Mark. I don't know the difference. Additionally, they are trademarked for different reasons, which I do know does make a difference.

Paisley Park:

Goods & Services: 009 - Musical sound recordings, musical video recordings 025 - Men, women and children's clothing, namely, shirts, sweatshirts, pants, shorts, loungewear, sleepwear, sweaters, underwear, headwear and footwear, all of the foregoing relating to a musical band 041 - Entertainment services, namely live musical performances by a musical group; entertainment services, namely, providing online entertainment information about recording artists and musical groups; recording studios; record production; music production; music publishing
Design Search Codes:	Design Description:
Type Of Mark: TRADEMARK SERVICE_MARK	Mark Drawing Code: 4) Standard character mark

And MBK:

Goods & Services: 009 - Audio and video recordings featuring music and artistic performances
Design Search Codes:	Design Description:
Type Of Mark: TRADEMARK	Mark Drawing Code: 4) Standard character mark

Don't forget :

THE FAMILY

this one is funny...

THE FAMILY

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

people can say what they want but these are all groups prince created not wendy or lisa, jimmy jam none of them they have 2 go by his flow when warner signed thoses deals they were made with prince not paul,susanahh, morris none of em they were all signed through prince production company so if they want the name but it from him.if they had control over it jimmy and terry wouldnt have had 2 leave the time prince fired them not morris they knew what they were involved with them so everybody can stop bitching now cuz prince owns he dont owe morris wendy paul none of them nothing

Can you form a real sentence please. I'd like to know what you are trying to say.

if u that dumb and cant read what i said i can see wht u argue with every comment can u form this trick back up

Spinlight said:

Well, as you can see - it says MBK is an applicant on what I was replying to. Your link via TMQuest doesn't say applicant.

Ah, ok. Fair enough - apples with apples then, this is the info for PP from the same part of the site:

It seems that PP have gotten further (which makes sense, given how much longer the application has been in play), as they have filing codes, whereas MBK's application still says "no filing basis".

More interesting to me, though, is that they are two different kinds of marks. A Trademark and Trademark/Service Mark. I don't know the difference. Additionally, they are trademarked for different reasons, which I do know does make a difference.

Yes, which supports the point that it's more complicated than it looks from the outside.

From my reading of it, PP's application is more all-encompassing than MBK's. I think for certain codes you need to apply for a Trademark and for others it needs to be a Service Mark. Presumably 009 (sound/video recordings) requires a trademark, whereas either 025 or 041 require a service mark. Thus, if you apply for all three, you require both a trademark and a service mark (ie. PP), whereas if you just apply for 009, you're only applying for a trademark (MBK).

All of that is just a guess of course though. I have no idea whether it's possible that PP could get 025 and 041, but MBK could get 009, which is the only one they're both going for (I doubt it though).

That would be a substantial problem, given that 041 seems to address live music performances and online advertising.

Sounds pretty messy, in any case.

Zannaloaf said:

Don't forget :

THE FAMILY

Owner: Wildgame Innovations, LLC
Serial number: 85161569
Filing date: Oct 26, 2010
Int class: 028

That one and the Osmond Network one are unlikely to be factors in this though, because the classes are different. PP and MBK share a class on their application (009), which is to do with sound/video recordings.

Wow, to this thread... Just stick with official sources...

purplenuts said:

Here we are nearly 30 years after they first opened for Prince playning the same songs that Prince made for them back then. At the end of the day, Prince is the Time - still.

This.

I like the guys, but there are a lot of properties in entertainment that are owned by a parent company. The principles involved in movies like Jaws, and Poltergeist generally move on and make a mark on their own instead of beating the horse in which they worked on and milking for the rest of their lives.

Chiquetet said:

Zannaloaf said:

Don't forget :

THE FAMILY

Owner: Wildgame Innovations, LLC
Serial number: 85161569
Filing date: Oct 26, 2010
Int class: 028

That one and the Osmond Network one are unlikely to be factors in this though, because the classes are different. PP and MBK share a class on their application (009), which is to do with sound/video recordings.

it was more for the sheer entertainment value...

Zannaloaf said:

Chiquetet said:

That one and the Osmond Network one are unlikely to be factors in this though, because the classes are different. PP and MBK share a class on their application (009), which is to do with sound/video recordings.

it was more for the sheer entertainment value...

Ah, cool

Zannaloaf said:

Militant said:

Logic dictates that he would not ask them to open for him and they would not accept if they had some issues to resolve.

You apply logic to the way Prince does things?? hmmmm- where have you been?

Well i maintain alot of love for the man, but cannot disagree with u there, he isnt very logical at all, but it doesnt matter, whats going on behind stage, but whats gonna take place on stage

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

people can say what they want but these are all groups prince created not wendy or lisa, jimmy jam none of them they have 2 go by his flow when warner signed thoses deals they were made with prince not paul,susanahh, morris none of em they were all signed through prince production company so if they want the name but it from him.if they had control over it jimmy and terry wouldnt have had 2 leave the time prince fired them not morris they knew what they were involved with them so everybody can stop bitching now cuz prince owns he dont owe morris wendy paul none of them nothing

Can you form a real sentence please. I'd like to know what you are trying to say.

u what u can form your lips to kiss honey boo

cbarnes3121 said:

Zannaloaf said:

Can you form a real sentence please. I'd like to know what you are trying to say.

u what u can form your lips to kiss honey boo

stay in school kids.

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

u what u can form your lips to kiss honey boo

stay in school kids.

form them lips u bore me

cbarnes3121 said:

Zannaloaf said:

stay in school kids.

form them lips u bore me

did you skip the year they taught basic sentence structure?

Zannaloaf said:

cbarnes3121 said:

form them lips u bore me

did you skip the year they taught basic sentence structure?