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Brofie said: therat said: Lisa didn't join the band until 1980. Dez was there longer. You must be thinking of Prince's first female keyboard player Gayle Chapman. Thanks - knowing what the hell you are talking about is still a virtue in this world of the uninformed. [Edited 4/19/10 6:55am] I assume you mean knowledge AND knowing how to count. Dez was in the band for 5 years - 1979- 1983? right? Lisa joined in 1980 and left in 1986. How many years? Let me help you....6. So that means she was there....let me help you again..LONGER than Dez. Which is what I said. Try reading next time, it makes you look smart. |
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WHAT? No reply? Hm...wonder why... |
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Zannaloaf said: WHAT? No reply? Hm...wonder why...
On page 31, line 5 of Dez Dickerson's book entitled My Time With Prince, Dez wrote this: "Once the Capri was set as the venue for the show, dates were set for 2 shows in the first week of January 1979." Assuming Dez referenced the Julian calendar, his association with Prince had to start before 1979 (no later than the year of 1978) - contrary to your elementary arithmetical calculations of tenure. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that this book is the only one written from a first hand perspective and, as such, is the most credible account of the history in my humble opinion. He was there. There is no evidence to the contrary. Aside from the correction in the chronology, the salient point (again, in my humble opinion) is the contribution - not the tenure - in the musical development of the brilliant career of Prince. Dez Dickerson almost never gets recognized for his part in the earliest stages of what would become a major chapter in the history of popular music. Acknowledging what Dez brought to the table is not a detraction or condemnation of the contributions of any other Prince associates. [Edited 4/22/10 14:32pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:40pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:49pm] | |
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Brofie said: Zannaloaf said: WHAT? No reply? Hm...wonder why...
On page 31, line 5 of Dez Dickerson's book entitled My Time With Prince, Dez wrote this: "Once the Capri was set as the venue for the show, dates were set for 2 shows in the first week of January 1979." Assuming Dez referenced the Julian calendar, his association with Prince had to start before 1979 (no later than the year of 1978) - contrary to your elementary arithmetical calculations of tenure. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that this book is the only one written from a first hand perspective and, as such, is the most credible account of the history in my humble opinion. He was there. There is no evidence to the contrary. Aside from the correction in the chronology, the salient point (again, in my humble opinion) is the contribution - not the tenure - in the musical development of the brilliant career of Prince. Dez Dickerson almost never gets recognized for his part in the earliest stages of what would become a major chapter in the history of popular music. Acknowledging what Dez brought to the table is not a detraction or condemnation of the contributions of any other Prince associates. [Edited 4/22/10 14:32pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:40pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:49pm] Well that's all I was really asking to start with. PS- the chronolgy seems a bit different in an interview with Lisa: "Lisa Coleman started working with Prince in 1979, during the recording of his Dirty Mind album. A friend, who was employed by Prince's management, told her that Prince was looking for a new keyboard player. At the time, she was working as a piano teacher and shipping clerk, and figured it couldn't hurt to send him a tape. "He liked the tape I sent him," recalls Coleman. "He called me and I went for a jam session with him and it worked out fine. So I packed my bags and moved to Minneapolis." Point being that they are equally qualified to talk about the Prince "experience" but that many W&L haters pooh pooh her stories over other band members (mostly male) which I don't get. |
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Zannaloaf said: Brofie said: On page 31, line 5 of Dez Dickerson's book entitled My Time With Prince, Dez wrote this: "Once the Capri was set as the venue for the show, dates were set for 2 shows in the first week of January 1979." Assuming Dez referenced the Julian calendar, his association with Prince had to start before 1979 (no later than the year of 1978) - contrary to your elementary arithmetical calculations of tenure. Earlier in this thread, I mentioned that this book is the only one written from a first hand perspective and, as such, is the most credible account of the history in my humble opinion. He was there. There is no evidence to the contrary. Aside from the correction in the chronology, the salient point (again, in my humble opinion) is the contribution - not the tenure - in the musical development of the brilliant career of Prince. Dez Dickerson almost never gets recognized for his part in the earliest stages of what would become a major chapter in the history of popular music. Acknowledging what Dez brought to the table is not a detraction or condemnation of the contributions of any other Prince associates. [Edited 4/22/10 14:32pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:40pm] [Edited 4/22/10 14:49pm] Well that's all I was really asking to start with. PS- the chronolgy seems a bit different in an interview with Lisa: "Lisa Coleman started working with Prince in 1979, during the recording of his Dirty Mind album. A friend, who was employed by Prince's management, told her that Prince was looking for a new keyboard player. At the time, she was working as a piano teacher and shipping clerk, and figured it couldn't hurt to send him a tape. "He liked the tape I sent him," recalls Coleman. "He called me and I went for a jam session with him and it worked out fine. So I packed my bags and moved to Minneapolis." Point being that they are equally qualified to talk about the Prince "experience" but that many W&L haters pooh pooh her stories over other band members (mostly male) which I don't get. No one refuted - or even mentioned - Lisa or Wendy and their work on this thread until you did. I can fully appreciate that certain Wendy and Lisa fans are always concerned that they get credit (even from fans who do not necessarily care for them) but this thread was about Dez and we were simply discussing his relevance (there are plenty of Wendy and Lisa threads on this site) - and the fact that he is the only Prince associate that wrote a book as an account of that vital inaugural period in Prince's career. Condemning male fans for liking Dez on a Dez thread when no attacks on Wendy and Lisa are present (along with a small error in the historical timeline followed by some rather embarrassingly uninformed gloating and trash talk) could possibly be misconstrued as malicious pontification. (I must admit that I still don't understand the chronological difference you refer to with that quote - no one questioned when Lisa came to the band; the question was the tenure of Dez - for which I offered verification. To verify Dez's book - which states the year 1978 on the back cover as well - one could refer to a photo of Dez and Prince from that early 1979 Capri gig). When Lisa writes a book about her time with Prince, I am sure that it will garner equal attention. But Dez did as much time with Prince as Lisa and, in my humble opinion, contributed just as much to the history of Prince. [Edited 4/23/10 4:42am] [Edited 4/23/10 5:22am] | |
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My level of testiness only rose to meet yours around 6 posts ago. Go back and read and you'll see just were things turned. You can't start the incendiary posts and then act all shocked at the (hardly) "embarrassingly uninformed gloating and trash talk". Uninformed being what? I'm still right about the number of years being more. 1979(a new number to me direst from an interview) to 1986 is 7 years. Dez being there 5. All that does is back up my claim (which was only in support of my question)- which you were happy to jump all over with no real argument other than "contribution" over tenure. Numbers is numbers, if that's what you are talking about. And I was. |
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Zannaloaf said: My level of testiness only rose to meet yours around 6 posts ago. Go back and read and you'll see just were things turned. You can't start the incendiary posts and then act all shocked at the (hardly) "embarrassingly uninformed gloating and trash talk". Uninformed being what? I'm still right about the number of years being more. 1979(a new number to me direst from an interview) to 1986 is 7 years. Dez being there 5. All that does is back up my claim (which was only in support of my question)- which you were happy to jump all over with no real argument other than "contribution" over tenure. Numbers is numbers, if that's what you are talking about. And I was.
You are like the guy that picks a fight and then complains when he gets his ass kicked. I never said anything to you. You were wrong and I commented on it. You called me out and gloated with repeated posts containing bad information. I finally stepped up and proved you wrong with documented proof. While I didnt expect you to admit you didnt know what the hell you were talking about, I thought you might refrain from throwing up irrelevant information that proves nothing to support your erroneous information and misguided complaining about Wendy and Lisa - which no one even mentioned on the thread. You just wanted to gripe about some injustice against them - which, I am sorry to say, has nothing to do with acknowledgment of Dez and his tenure from 1978 to 1983 - according to DEZ in his published book. Why don't the numbers add up when they support my point but were good when you were quoting mathematics on your bogus one? So you played yourself several times while being flat out wrong. I have the knowledge of the history of Prince and I have dome the work to get it. I put it up to anyone who is wrong. I was trying to be as cool about it as possible. If you didn't know, I am not the one on the org to call out when you haven't done your homework. But you can be wrong forever. It is not my job to educate. I will leave it at that because I am exhausted and it seems no one else really cares. [Edited 4/24/10 17:00pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:06pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:08pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:14pm] | |
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Brofie said: Zannaloaf said: My level of testiness only rose to meet yours around 6 posts ago. Go back and read and you'll see just were things turned. You can't start the incendiary posts and then act all shocked at the (hardly) "embarrassingly uninformed gloating and trash talk". Uninformed being what? I'm still right about the number of years being more. 1979(a new number to me direst from an interview) to 1986 is 7 years. Dez being there 5. All that does is back up my claim (which was only in support of my question)- which you were happy to jump all over with no real argument other than "contribution" over tenure. Numbers is numbers, if that's what you are talking about. And I was.
You are like the guy that picks a fight and then complains when he gets his ass kicked. I never said anything to you. You were wrong and I commented on it. You called me out and gloated with repeated posts containing bad information. I finally stepped up and proved you wrong with documented proof. While I didnt expect you to admit you didnt know what the hell you were talking about, I thought you might refrain from throwing up irrelevant information that proves nothing to support your erroneous information and misguided complaining about Wendy and Lisa - which no one even mentioned on the thread. You just wanted to gripe about some injustice against them - which, I am sorry to say, has nothing to do with acknowledgment of Dez and his tenure from 1978 to 1983 - according to DEZ in his published book. Why don't the numbers add up when they support my point but were good when you were quoting mathematics on your bogus one? So you played yourself several times while being flat out wrong. I have the knowledge of the history of Prince and I have dome the work to get it. I put it up to anyone who is wrong. I was trying to be as cool about it as possible. If you didn't know, I am not the one on the org to call out when you haven't done your homework. But you can be wrong forever. It is not my job to educate. I will leave it at that because I am exhausted and it seems no one else really cares. [Edited 4/24/10 17:00pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:06pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:08pm] [Edited 4/24/10 17:14pm] That's cause 7 is still more than 5. (or if you include the starting AND ending year 8 is more than 6). I still don't see how you proved me wrong. DEZ: 78-83 LISA: 79-86 There I "played" myself two more times. |
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Guys, couln't we stick to a Dez tribute ???
( we do love Lisa too !!!) "open your heart, open your mind
A train is leaving all day..." | |
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yankem said: Guys, couln't we stick to a Dez tribute ???
( we do love Lisa too !!!)   | |
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PurpleDiamond2009 said: yankem said: Guys, couln't we stick to a Dez tribute ???
( we do love Lisa too !!!) Precisely - I didnt start crying about Wendy and Lisa or shoot off loud adn wrong about Dez history. My avatar is DEZ. That is why I said that I am done with it. Thanks for returning to the positivity about Dez. | |
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I pulled up an interview he did. I guess he's promoting other acts mostly and occasionally performing himself. He comes off as a very down to earth guy in this interview, not a spot of pretention. There came a time when the risk of remaining tight in the bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom. Anais Nin. | |
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Deadflow3r said: I pulled up an interview he did. I guess he's promoting other acts mostly and occasionally performing himself. He comes off as a very down to earth guy in this interview, not a spot of pretention.
I interviewed Dez a few years ago and he was really cool, open and very likable. I can't say enough good things about the guy. The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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Deadflow3r said: I pulled up an interview he did. I guess he's promoting other acts mostly and occasionally performing himself. He comes off as a very down to earth guy in this interview, not a spot of pretention.
I interviewed Dez a few years ago and he was really cool, open and very likable. I can't say enough good things about the guy. The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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yankem said: Guys, couln't we stick to a Dez tribute ???
( we do love Lisa too !!!) I agree. Let's stick to the topic of the thread, folks. |
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I've always dug Mr. D, but I'm shocked at how bad his 2 cd set is. Other than High School and Modernaire it is a mess. Just my 2 pennies. | |
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Yep. The main reason why he didn't get signed was because nearly all his stuff was shit.
I did like "One Man" though. | |
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Graycap23 said: I've always dug Mr. D, but I'm shocked at how bad his 2 cd set is. Other than High School and Modernaire it is a mess. Just my 2 pennies.
i like his other song i cant remember what it was called but it went something like SHEEEEE DONNNNTTT LLIIKKKEEE POLLLITTTIICCCS!  otherwise the guitar work was great!  | |
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I never bought his 2 cd set but I did purchase his "One Man" cd and thought it was excellent, I really dig that album. | |
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Cool image, cool live guitar solos, and cool customized Hamer guitars. Dez was the true "rock star" in P's band.
Even the metalheads I knew (who hated P) gave Dez his props. | |
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