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Reply #120 posted 03/07/10 2:18pm

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Zannaloaf said:

prodigalfan said:




I totally agree with your choices. Mani appears to have been creativity Kryptonite that P has yet to recover.


Really?He was out in public FAR more than with any of his other women...and seems to have made better promotional appearances since he was paying attention to what WB set up for him. So maybe she was better for his business than hi creativity. Though he did go double platinum with Musicology.



He did do better promotional appearances etc. But prior to Mani he put out albums that could be played beginning to end with a few skips. After hooking up with Mani ( or to be fair it could be JW or even Larry since all 3 came to a peak around the same time); but after this time period instead of a whole album of gems with a few bombs now you will find one or two solid tunes and the rest is filler or background music. Honestly when I feel like hearing Prince for an hour or more I inevitably go back to the 1990's or earlier. I never listen to Lotus Flower, or Planet Earth and rarely Musicology (and even then the same 3 or 4 song).
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #121 posted 03/07/10 5:10pm

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Yeah but Tamar qualifies as a protege for the mere reasons that Prince performed on stage with her several times, produced her songs and tried hard to get her signed to a label. Related artists are more left to fend for themselves I think.



I Agree cool
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Reply #122 posted 03/07/10 5:12pm

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I liked the honey drippin' on Tamar but the milk just reminds me of.....well y'all know. I keep thinking of what Princey may have done to her many a late night. lol hmm




Where are you going with this confused
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Reply #123 posted 03/07/10 5:14pm

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mimi2 said:

worst one? Carmen Electra by FAR. lol



yeah she at the bottom. he invested a lil time in her but that was not time well spent.






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Reply #124 posted 03/07/10 5:16pm

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I think Carmen is now in the lead of worst Prince chick/triflin' joey coco ho.








Getting hotter! eek
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Reply #125 posted 03/07/10 5:21pm

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mayrain said:



Why do people hate on Carmen? She has done more on her own than any other prince girl. People know her without a Prince mention. I love Carmen.....I just can't figure out why she dates the men she does except for Prince and Dave all others are in question. smile.



I don't think people hate on her but just find her irrelevant as a Prince gf. Granted she's done more on on her own but truthfully had Jenny McCarthy not stepped down from her MTV throne, Carmen would be just a memory or at best a Playboy bunny. With regards to Prince, I'd say she brought nothing to the table.




Yeah its getting even clearer now.
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Reply #126 posted 03/07/10 5:48pm

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Deadflow3r said:

As far as Carmen goes; her "style" isn't that much different from Robin Power. Carmen has enough of a career after Prince that not everyone knows that Prince gave her her break into the business. I mean she made be a slut-bunny but she's doing well with it. I think she may even have gotten a cosmo cover at one time. Bria is a model, yet no one has shown proof of her even being in a Sears Sunday circular.




Now Robin should be where Carmen is. She's way hotter and better built IMO.


falloff @ slut-bunny!! I'm going to add that to my web dictionary.



And that's why that thread was made up about Robin Power. How would you know they was the best or worst girlfriend or wife or trick? Unless you was there. Cuz I Got YA Back . lol
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Reply #127 posted 03/08/10 11:49am

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you know I was looking at Sade recently and thought, she has great poise. maybe that is why Bria made him think of Sade. Bria deffinately has poise. She doesn't strike me as the type that gets all loud and foolish. Anyway despite the endless pics of Bria with flowers in her hair like Sade and the big earings and that song Everytime sounded like something he would have liked Sade to sing, despite all this effort Bria as a protege, was a failure. If you look at the effort put into her and what came of it, well her impact on the music industry was like that of a fart in a huricaine, you just didn't hear a sound.
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Reply #128 posted 03/09/10 5:19pm

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WaterInYourBath said:


Larry Graham is not a joke. His music was fantastic in the 70s.

I've said this before, and I'm sure some agree.

There are two different people here:

1) The Larry Graham of Graham Central Station as well as the solo artist. This Larry Graham redefined how to play a bass guitar. He did it with Sly Stone and he did it on his own. If you just go and listen to albums like Ain't No 'Bout A Doubt It or Release Yourself, it's incredible music. Everyone in that band contributed something amazing to those songs. GCS has its place firmly solidified in music and funk history.

2) The Larry Graham that is a Jehovah's Witness. S-T-A-U-N-C-H, staunch. (Anyone get that reference?) He's the one everyone dislikes, because people view him as really effecting, negatively so, Prince's music, songwriting, and down right way of living. While we're all for more positivity and having our + sign today, we're not for having one of our favorite artists edit himself to the point of being embarrassing in public, on record, in interviews, and otherwise. That's the Larry Graham that is a joke.

If Graham had never gotten involved with Prince to the extent he did, and effected Prince's music, we'd all still be heralding him as one of the greats from 40 years ago. Yet we now see him different. Cunning, almost ego-driven, and a "Right Fighter" (fighting to be RIGHT all the time, opposed to living and let live) - which sort of sums up Prince at this point. Prince has become a bigger ego than ever, and it's not even musical. It's his chemical trails rant. It's his nonsense ramblings like a lunatic savant. He's Stephen Hawking and Rainman all rolled into one. Many would blame Graham for bringing this imbalance out in him. To some extent, that's probably correct. Who knows if Prince would have been exposed to the rantings of Dick Gregory, a theocratic order of women being less-than, and almost downright anti-semetic, or otherwise had it not been for Graham and his "guidance"?

25 years ago, Prince peformed a birthday concert at Paisley Park. When someone shouted "Happy Birthday!", he simply said "Thank you". If someone did that today, what do you think he'd say? That's Graham right there. That is the Graham people hate.

Graham the musician is great. Graham the Witness is a crying shame. If we separate Prince from his religion (when folks say "Oh I love the music on The Rainbow Children, but I can do without the preaching"), then why can't we separate Graham from his eternal "guidance" of Prince, and just enjoy "It's Alright". Because ultimately....isn't it alright?

Well Said lol cool wink
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Reply #129 posted 03/09/10 7:22pm

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interactiveplayer said:

ernestsewell said:


I've said this before, and I'm sure some agree.

There are two different people here:

1) The Larry Graham of Graham Central Station as well as the solo artist. This Larry Graham redefined how to play a bass guitar. He did it with Sly Stone and he did it on his own. If you just go and listen to albums like Ain't No 'Bout A Doubt It or Release Yourself, it's incredible music. Everyone in that band contributed something amazing to those songs. GCS has its place firmly solidified in music and funk history.

2) The Larry Graham that is a Jehovah's Witness. S-T-A-U-N-C-H, staunch. (Anyone get that reference?) He's the one everyone dislikes, because people view him as really effecting, negatively so, Prince's music, songwriting, and down right way of living. While we're all for more positivity and having our + sign today, we're not for having one of our favorite artists edit himself to the point of being embarrassing in public, on record, in interviews, and otherwise. That's the Larry Graham that is a joke.

If Graham had never gotten involved with Prince to the extent he did, and effected Prince's music, we'd all still be heralding him as one of the greats from 40 years ago. Yet we now see him different. Cunning, almost ego-driven, and a "Right Fighter" (fighting to be RIGHT all the time, opposed to living and let live) - which sort of sums up Prince at this point. Prince has become a bigger ego than ever, and it's not even musical. It's his chemical trails rant. It's his nonsense ramblings like a lunatic savant. He's Stephen Hawking and Rainman all rolled into one. Many would blame Graham for bringing this imbalance out in him. To some extent, that's probably correct. Who knows if Prince would have been exposed to the rantings of Dick Gregory, a theocratic order of women being less-than, and almost downright anti-semetic, or otherwise had it not been for Graham and his "guidance"?

25 years ago, Prince peformed a birthday concert at Paisley Park. When someone shouted "Happy Birthday!", he simply said "Thank you". If someone did that today, what do you think he'd say? That's Graham right there. That is the Graham people hate.

Graham the musician is great. Graham the Witness is a crying shame. If we separate Prince from his religion (when folks say "Oh I love the music on The Rainbow Children, but I can do without the preaching"), then why can't we separate Graham from his eternal "guidance" of Prince, and just enjoy "It's Alright". Because ultimately....isn't it alright?

Well Said lol cool wink


funny part is Larry is a down to earth guy who respects your right NOT to discuss religion. I've had the opportunity so i know. Prince is like one of those ex-smokers who gets all over other people who still do. So it's not Larry- it's Prince.
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Reply #130 posted 03/11/10 8:56am

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What's even funnier is that Prince is also like those ex-smokers who sneak a smoke every now and then. They think that social smoking is not really smoking.
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Reply #131 posted 03/11/10 8:07pm

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Zannaloaf said:

interactiveplayer said:


Well Said lol cool wink


funny part is Larry is a down to earth guy who respects your right NOT to discuss religion. I've had the opportunity so i know. Prince is like one of those ex-smokers who gets all over other people who still do. So it's not Larry- it's Prince.

yeah I have to agree. If he is for something (ie JW) then you will hear him talk about it, sing about etc. That seems to be the type of person P is.
"Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack
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Reply #132 posted 03/11/10 10:22pm

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Zannaloaf said:

interactiveplayer said:


Well Said lol cool wink


funny part is Larry is a down to earth guy who respects your right NOT to discuss religion. I've had the opportunity so i know. Prince is like one of those ex-smokers who gets all over other people who still do. So it's not Larry- it's Prince.


We're gonna go with it being Larry Graham's fault.
It's been decided... You missed the meeting. lol
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Reply #133 posted 03/12/10 7:20am

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opps.
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U R NOT BETTER THAN ANYONE NOR R U PERFECT!!
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Reply #134 posted 03/12/10 12:11pm

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2elijah said:

Tamar had the best voice out of all his proteges. She had actual talent. The problem with some folks, and why the industry is so bad today, is you have manufactured. no talent ass, bimbos that can't sing for sh*t, f*cking up the industry, while those with real talent are bypassed. The industry is run by males, so naturally they'll go after no talent females,d who they consider have the looks consumers want, yet half of them can't sing for shit live, and once consumers find out these no talent, has-beens, can't sing live, they don't last.
Talent lasts, looks fade with age.

The problem with some ignorant consumers in this society, is that they are hung up on looks themselves, and bring their own insecurities about themselves, into the mix, which helps to justify the talentless bimbo sh*t the music industry tries to sell to those particular consumers. They know who will fall for that BS, and help support it. It's no different than the modeling industry and its effect on many young girls, brainwashing many young, girls and even older females, about what the ideal female should look like. So it's the fault of these industries and the consumers that fall for the brainwashing BS.
which are the greatest lies ever sold.


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I mentioned this last April when I had the user name dollwoman; I think Susan Boyle was the beginning of a backlash against the idea that a singer has to be a good-looking lap dancer first and after that we'll work on her singing voice. I notted that Lotusflow3r came out the same time, or around the same time as the western world was a-buzz with talk about Susan Boyle who never appeared on a CD and people only heard her sing ONE song!! Meanwhile the much heralded protege Bria had her own CD on the shelves in Target, appeared in a Target add, had photoshopped pics of her here and there and the Everytime Video aswell and nobody outside of Prince fans ever cared. She never sang in public so we don't know how she is as a performer. She didn't even lip synch.

I think people in general are getting fed up with listening to people that look good. Doesn't make much sense to me, unless you are constantly watching the videos of your music, to choose your audio choices based on the visual, video. I listen to music while I do other things. I seldom watching the performer. If their voice gets on my nerves, ie madonna, it does not help that they look good since they are not in my house while I do my chores, only their voice is.


I think the music buying public that is over 18 is getting tired of being treated like fools.
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Reply #135 posted 03/20/10 12:16pm

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Robin Power. An uglier version of Leona Lewis.
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Reply #136 posted 03/20/10 2:12pm

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lipstick said:

Robin Power. An uglier version of Leona Lewis.




Robin ugly??

You must be DROPPED DEAD GORGEOUS to call Robin ugly. So which magazine photo spread have you appeared in? lol
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Reply #137 posted 03/20/10 2:39pm

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Deadflow3r said:

prodigalfan said:



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I mentioned this last April when I had the user name dollwoman; I think Susan Boyle was the beginning of a backlash against the idea that a singer has to be a good-looking lap dancer first and after that we'll work on her singing voice. I notted that Lotusflow3r came out the same time, or around the same time as the western world was a-buzz with talk about Susan Boyle who never appeared on a CD and people only heard her sing ONE song!! Meanwhile the much heralded protege Bria had her own CD on the shelves in Target, appeared in a Target add, had photoshopped pics of her here and there and the Everytime Video aswell and nobody outside of Prince fans ever cared. She never sang in public so we don't know how she is as a performer. She didn't even lip synch.

I think people in general are getting fed up with listening to people that look good. Doesn't make much sense to me, unless you are constantly watching the videos of your music, to choose your audio choices based on the visual, video. I listen to music while I do other things. I seldom watching the performer. If their voice gets on my nerves, ie madonna, it does not help that they look good since they are not in my house while I do my chores, only their voice is.


I think the music buying public that is over 18 is getting tired of being treated like fools.



This is so true. I think that's the back story to the song 'Video Killed the Radio Star'. Some of the best singers in the industry aren't the most attractive appearance-wise. This is a very visual world. Look at the scenes in 'Dreamgirls' where the character Jamie Foxx is playing is talking to Dina's mother about why Dina has become the lead singer in the group and the one where he has confronted Deanna about trying make deals behind his back. Both of those scenes sum up the industry...especially with female actresses and singers.
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Reply #138 posted 03/20/10 8:08pm

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Deadflow3r said:

prodigalfan said:



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I mentioned this last April when I had the user name dollwoman; I think Susan Boyle was the beginning of a backlash against the idea that a singer has to be a good-looking lap dancer first and after that we'll work on her singing voice. I notted that Lotusflow3r came out the same time, or around the same time as the western world was a-buzz with talk about Susan Boyle who never appeared on a CD and people only heard her sing ONE song!! Meanwhile the much heralded protege Bria had her own CD on the shelves in Target, appeared in a Target add, had photoshopped pics of her here and there and the Everytime Video aswell and nobody outside of Prince fans ever cared. She never sang in public so we don't know how she is as a performer. She didn't even lip synch.

I think people in general are getting fed up with listening to people that look good. Doesn't make much sense to me, unless you are constantly watching the videos of your music, to choose your audio choices based on the visual, video. I listen to music while I do other things. I seldom watching the performer. If their voice gets on my nerves, ie madonna, it does not help that they look good since they are not in my house while I do my chores, only their voice is.


I think the music buying public that is over 18 is getting tired of being treated like fools.



I edited my original post, and just to clarify, my comments in that post was not to pinpoint Bria or to criticize her as an artist. I don't really have an opinion on her musically, because I've never heard or seen her sing live. My post was basically centered around what the music industry in general, has been promoting for a number of years. I just feel there's so many artists with real talent that are not being picked up by record companies, and that for the past number of years, it seems "talent" in the music industry is centered more on "looks" than real talent. shrug
I mean I still find myself listening to music of the mid 60s, and much of the 70s and 80s. lol
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Reply #139 posted 03/22/10 11:30am

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you know people who really make it big in the industry whether we are talking lil wayne, alecia keyes or Bruce Springstein, work their butt cheeks off weekly to get on top and stay there. To put out a CD and not back it up by ANY appearances is the kiss of death and a half-hearted attempt to be taken seriously as a SOLO artist. That is why I think of her as the worst Prince chick: there was absolutely NO FOLLOW THROUGH. That is pointless.
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Reply #140 posted 03/22/10 8:15pm

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^

I dunno. I always didn't like Tamar for the simple reason her stint was the complete opposite.

Tons of public performance... practically a minitour

(which did NOT make it to my town. even though i joined the npgmc in anticipation to getting good tickets.
Not only did I not get to buy tickets but then 60 days later my "lifetime' membership ceased to exist. mad)

But I digress

Anyway minitour lots of performances, promise of a CD... NO CD! What is worst... CD and no performance or lots of performance and no CD?
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Reply #141 posted 03/22/10 9:00pm

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Deadflow3r said:

you know people who really make it big in the industry whether we are talking lil wayne, alecia keyes or Bruce Springstein, work their butt cheeks off weekly to get on top and stay there. To put out a CD and not back it up by ANY appearances is the kiss of death and a half-hearted attempt to be taken seriously as a SOLO artist. That is why I think of her as the worst Prince chick: there was absolutely NO FOLLOW THROUGH. That is pointless.



well she was in it for a quick buck and to be princey's arm piece. I mean it takes two to tango. he opened the door and it was up to her to walk through. heffa just hung out on the porch. nobody else's fault.
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Reply #142 posted 03/25/10 9:57am

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^

I dunno. I always didn't like Tamar for the simple reason her stint was the complete opposite.

Tons of public performance... practically a minitour

(which did NOT make it to my town. even though i joined the npgmc in anticipation to getting good tickets.
Not only did I not get to buy tickets but then 60 days later my "lifetime' membership ceased to exist. mad)

But I digress

Anyway minitour lots of performances, promise of a CD... NO CD! What is worst... CD and no performance or lots of performance and no CD?




I don't think Tamar was the one that held back her CD. If she was then she would be tied IMO. I think Tamar is a performer. She could be a big name in a little pond. You know a huge local talent in Austin or Boston etc. But never an international star. I don't think she'll ever need to pay her rent doing something else. (like being a kept woman).
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Reply #143 posted 03/25/10 10:11am

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DesireeNevermind said:

Deadflow3r said:

you know people who really make it big in the industry whether we are talking lil wayne, alecia keyes or Bruce Springstein, work their butt cheeks off weekly to get on top and stay there. To put out a CD and not back it up by ANY appearances is the kiss of death and a half-hearted attempt to be taken seriously as a SOLO artist. That is why I think of her as the worst Prince chick: there was absolutely NO FOLLOW THROUGH. That is pointless.



well she was in it for a quick buck and to be princey's arm piece. I mean it takes two to tango. he opened the door and it was up to her to walk through. heffa just hung out on the porch. nobody else's fault.



Sometimes I wonder if she waited totally for him to do all the pr arranging etc. If he told her not to sing on stage that would have been a big insult IMO. Because she is good on that sexy coo stuff she may get by just by being a sexy voice/ back up singer on alot of men's albums. Even rappers could easily use her "sound" beyond that I don't see the "performer" in her. I don't see her being a host to some lame show either because she refuses to project any personality.


I saw some video stuff that had her laughing in it ans she looked more beautiful laughing then I have ever seen her. It was like her personality came through. unfortunately there was no sound. All her pics are her " I'm to sexy for my cat....so sexy it hurts" face.

This is my guess, total hypothesis, I think Bria is by nature a down to earth girl,very unsophisticated, in a good way; who unfortunately thinks she is meant to be some super sophisticated diva. I think she is trying to be someone she is not. She probably DOES have a good sense of humor and if she stopped being such a photoshopped phony and used her real personality she might get the places she'd like to be. Personally I think she should turn her name back into Brenda Fuentes and forget this Prince nonsense ever happened (just keep the luxery goods lol )
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Reply #144 posted 03/25/10 5:37pm

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mayrain said:

DesireeNevermind said:




I don't think people hate on her but just find her irrelevant as a Prince gf. Granted she's done more on on her own but truthfully had Jenny McCarthy not stepped down from her MTV throne, Carmen would be just a memory or at best a Playboy bunny. With regards to Prince, I'd say she brought nothing to the table.


She brought Sexyness and great dancing. I would even say Mayte tried to copy her style of dance if u watch Carmen and than watch Mayte. Of course Carmen is a better dancer and she would've made it without MTV she had drive and nothing stopped her. Can u tell I love Carmen.....lol


I'm not a huge Carmen fan, or even a minor Carmen fan for that matter, but she has been the most successful ($$$) protege he's ever had. Most people don't even know she was ever associated with Prince or had an album out. Mayte got Carmen's leftovers.
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Reply #145 posted 03/26/10 1:03am

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Reply #146 posted 03/30/10 8:41am

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bria=boring. carmen=too sluty. the twins=pointless. geneva=again boring. for me cat was the one.
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Reply #147 posted 03/30/10 9:11am

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bria=boring. carmen=too sluty. the twins=pointless. geneva=again boring. for me cat was the one.



I totally missed Geneva so I guess she may have just been that lame. I disagree on the twins. If you look at the 3121 thread they looked good with P on that tour but that was pretty much the end of their association with Prince and nothing they have done since has given them national exposure. (unless you count trying out for and NOT GETTING a spot as one of MJ's dancers).
They are still fairly young though so they can't totally be counted out. I don't think P will hire them again though.
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Reply #148 posted 04/07/10 9:38am

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Mayte was the best the rest rotten eggs! razz
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Reply #149 posted 04/08/10 6:35pm

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rbrpm said:

Mayte was the best the rest rotten eggs! razz



I can agree with that...but some were scrambled and not necessarily rotten. lol
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