BEAUGARDE said:

The only beef is on Prince's side. Paul, Susannah, aren't going around for the past 20 years all butt hurt over their past relationships with Prince. It's called moving on and growing up. They've even reached out to Prince to try and hash things out, discuss things like a man, and move forward. Prince refuses to do any of that. So is it about Prince giving in, or about Prince being a baby, still throwing a fit and living in the past (which he claims never to even remember, on purpose; yet even on that front he's a hypocrite because he now digs into the past and talks about people from the past and uses them on records.)

It's not about Prince "giving in", it's about him just being a man about things. Morris jumped camp, as did Jessie. Monte left after Jimmy and Terry got fired. Yet somehow, someway, through the years, The Time was still a band, made albums, and tours w/ the name, still playing all those songs Prince wrote for them. Apollonia still uses a name Prince gave her. Prince needs to grow up and stop being a baby about stuff. He's serving letters to Lisa and company (most likely, although she didn't say who it was, all signs point to Prince), and now he's holding out w/ some name for The Family. I mean come on.

Side note, we WILL see a reunion. The album is finishing up, the artwork, the new name.....all of that is being worked on. In fact, I got emails from two of The Family members saying just that. One mentioned, "still working on the name thing..its tough...been busting A#$ on it." And then mentioned a few of their own ideas for the name (which I won't divulge just yet.)

So whether they're The Family or Shoe String Quartet, we will be hearing new music from these guys, and that is something Prince can't stop.
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Was "The Family" such a brilliant name to begin with? Did it bring them that much fame that they really need to hold onto it? I can understand why the Jefferson Airplane became the Jefferson Starship the remaining performers deserved to show that continuity. But how many people were fans of the family in the first place. I say with a boring name like that they SHOULD change it.

dollwoman said:

It's not that it's a spectacular name, it's just the name they're known by. We wouldn't know who we were talking about without a name. But we can say The Family, and people know. They KNOW it's Paul, Susannah, Bean, Eric, and Jerome. So yeah... a name is a big deal for a band of course.

How many people were fans of "The Family", as in the name? I don't think anyone cared at that point, they were just glad to have more Prince music out with other people singing it.

Give it up, Prince is The Family,
For the most part Prince created the Family, It was his record company, its was his own recording studio, it was his concept, it was his music, It was his lyrics, it was him playing the instruments, it was him giving his girlfriend some play time with him Bria style.
The Family only exists because Prince made it so, not because of anything else.

Paul and Susannah seem like cool folks, but if Prince doesn’t want someone to play with his toys and walks out of the playground, that’s fine too.

Regardless of the name, all of us that care about anything Paisley will buy their record regardless of the name. That's no big deal.
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Family Funkers
Family Funk
Family Sensation
P&S Crew
Minnapolis Players
Family Sound
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violetblues said:

Once again people keep being all Fox News about this. If you keep repeating it it'll be true.
Prince did not play the sax which was a huge part of the sound. He probably let Erik write the charts too. I don't know for sure- but I bet.
He did not put the strings on it- that was Claire Fisher.
He did not write every tune- Bobby Z did.
And as far as the rest - we were no there , so we do not know who did what. So stop repeating the same tired crap about how that record was created.
Be that as it may, I don't care about the name. the tracks I have heard are amazing. and that is what matters to me.

Zannaloaf said:

You also forgot to mention Prince also did not hand make each and every record himself or cut the actual trees used for the sleeves

I look forward to their new record but please enough with the craziness, Paul and Susannah are as responsible for the original Family record as Fabio is for all those romance novels he appeared on the cover of, or that fake butter.
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Prince doesn't have to allow them use just because they're ready to get back in the groove. Because he doesn't, he's called childish. Maybe he has moved on & just doesn't feel the need to deal with saps like Paul & Susannah.

BEAUGARDE said:

Maybe he's just a dude with serious issues who treats his "friends" like his fans...like crap.
It's a mighty mighty ass of a human being that is so petty when you have accomplished so much with your life. And I say that about people no matter how public of a figure. If he's moved on he simply wouldn't care. Simple human motivation. Clearly he cares. A LOT.
What makes Paul and Susannah saps? CAuse they don't rip their fans off over and over again? Because they don't make "coming soon" promises 24/7? Because they don't try shutting out their fans with legal decrees? I'll take saps over that shit any day. And frankly I don't think he has to let them use it. As a matter of fact nothing points to him legally owning it. My point is that why even act like that? Childish? You bet. If a kid did that you'd point out that sharing is better. Funny how it changes as we "grow" up.

Violet - so.....you're just sidestepping all the FACTS I presented? Paul and Susannah SANG on the cd. You try it sometime and see how you fare. In the meantime see all the people who helped CREATE the sound that I referred to. Or did you just ignore that because it didn't support your accusation? Hardly crazy to point out known facts.
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ernestsewell said:

Well if Susannah and Paul and maybe even Bobby Z want there old fans to know who they are why not put their own name in the band name ?

how about "Better than Before"

dollwoman said:

Because 1) Bobby Z isn't in The Family.
2) The band is more than Susannah and Paul.
3) The band is still The Family, just needs a new name because of the brat in Paisley Park.

Ha, you guys R so funny, getting on P over 1 of his biggest mistakes, THE FAMILY. P should have recorded this album himself, dumped the song that Bobby Z. wrote & added She's Always In My Hair, dumped Wendy & Lisa & the rest of The Revolution & their album Around The World In A Day, too. Screw Parade, Roadhouse Gardens, Dream Factory. Yeah, the Sign O' The Times album never would have happened but Camille might have. But anyways, it was the Prince show & those guys should be grateful for the experience. They knew it was his show didn't they? Or should I say they knew WHAT TIME IS IT

THE ARTISTS FORMERLY KNOWN AS THE FAMILY. OR.....
THE ARTISTS!!!!!

BEAUGARDE said:

You seem unbelievably dense about the creative process. Do you really think Prince created all that stuff in a vacuum? Princes voice alone would not have sold that music...and I like his voice a great deal- I think it is one of his under rated talents. Sorry to say, but it was the combination of the two lead voices that worked. Also - Prince doesn't play sax or write and record string arrangements. That is an all too often left our fact (though facts don't seem to matter much in this thread )
What time it was (and always is) is the cumulative experience of an artist and their interaction with other artists they trust or bond with. That is why (imo) Prince's music has fallen to the mundane and repetitive; believes his own hype and trusts no one other than himself.
Are you actually that blinded to how things work, or are you one of those "Prince doesn't need anyone else" types who just like to say that out of hand.
Of course the fact that you think "She's Always In My Hair" (a song I love) would fit in with the Family album tells me volumes about about how your ears work.

Nothing is wrong with my hearing:
1."High Fashion" credited to (St. Paul/Jerome)
2."Mutiny" credited to (Jerome)
3."The Screams of Passion" credited to (St. Paul/Susannah)
4."Yes" credited to (Jerome/Jellybean)
5."She's Always In My Hair" (Prince)
6."Nothing Compares 2 U" (Prince)
7."Susannah's Pajamas" credited to (Eric Leeds)
8."Desire" credited

BEAUGARDE said:

Totally out of the vibe of that record was my point. The Bobby Z track is really good and works on the record.

I never really liked it, I'm sure P had something else or could have come up with something better than that crap. And pls, had She's Always In My Hair been placed there from the get go you wouldn't of known the difference or felt it was out place.

good thing prince didnt name mazarati

ernestsewell said:

BTW, do you remember the lawsuit against Prince because of the name NPG ? He had to shut down the NPGMC because of that.
http://freedomtrainonline...r-lawsuit/

Or maybe not because of that ?

http://www.usatoday.com/l...site_x.htm
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BEAUGARDE said:

We kinda get that you like nothing that Prince didn't do himself. Yes - I would have thought - why is that track that sounds nothing like the rest of them suddenly appear on that album. I'm someone who actually pays attention to shit like that.
If Prince COULD have come up with better - then why let someone else contribute a track. Cause we all know Prince is so magnanimous...
Tell ya what- since we know you have a "Prince is better than anything else" attitude why don't you stop posting on anything that's not his, lock , stock and barrel...cause you ain't gonna like it.

They should be called "Reunion".

Or how do you say it in French?

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[Edited 8/2/09 21:49pm]

My point is that I always thought The Family album was better than Around The World In A Day & P sounded better singing Desire, Mutiny & High Fashion than St. Paul (the bootlegs). So with that being said, I think Wendy & Lisa's influence was just a little overboard (but appreciated). Don't get me wrong some tracks like Raspberry Beret, Pop Life & Mountains (extended) was the shiznit. Around The World In A Day & Parade are unique & artistic but falls in comparison to let's say the Camille album or The Family. And let the record show I love WENDY & LISA & Eroica & most of P's camp's solo efforts.

The Associates.

LOL.

love that they need a new name... it gives them the chance to wipe the slate clean and start all over with a new chalk board and be far more creative. they're all awesome performers, vocalists and musicians. so long as they market well on here and across social media (which they seem to be doing well), they won't lose their audience.

good for Jellybean for letting P have it in print! It's high time somebody got brave enough!

The Fam-damly

Wow, it just seems like they should have figured out a new name by now..
I'm seriously starting to wonder if they'll ever break out with a new album.

I'm a big fan, but this is going on much too long
Does Prince still have some sort of strong-hold on this not progressing?

how about "Prince's stepchildren"

actually like some of the names woogiebear named especially the first one