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Printable midnightmover said: OldFriends4Sale said: I don't know if they could be considered just hired hands, especially in light of the time, These were friends (actually Prince is still friends with most of them, Wendy Dr Frink, Lisa, Bobby Z, Dez, Andre, I don't know where BrownMark is) But these people were with him from when he was no body They hung out, stayed at each others houses, ran around the city/cities together, Dr Fink Prince Andre used to work out together, cook outs, knew each others families, Lisa said in the current SPIN mag that she and Prince lived together for a while, she would make him sandwiches they did laundry together ... that's just hired hands? I don't think it could have been anyone that was in the band at the time. For example I think Lisa brought something to the table that Gayle Chapman didn't have, and I think she was able to go sexual-musically/lyrically with Prince in a way Gayle couldn't. Everyone brings different experiences and a different background. When I looked into the musical background of the Revolution members I was blown away, another example, as much as I love the SOTT/Lovesexy band I don't think as a whole they had the studio/songwriting creativity Prince got from the Revolution + Susannah. Don't be fooled by those heart warming anecdotes. Just 'cos your boss cracks a joke with you once in a while doesn't mean he sees you as an equal. Obviously Andre was different and Wendy & Lisa clearly were important contributors to Parade, but the rest were along for the ride (as Fink said himself). Pretty much all the definitive Prince stuff was done by P ALONE! Sometimes if one of them came up with a cool bass line or keyboard riff P would take that and turn it into a song, but frankly when a songwriter is in the zone, as P was at that time, they can use anything for inspiration and make it work. Remember, a riff and a song are two different things. It's also worth pointing out that the songs where P shared credits were often the weaker ones. Most of them were either not released or were lesser moments on stellar albums. CB for instance is the weakest track on PR. IGBABN is not one of the highlights of SOTT either. The highlights were done by P ALONE! Those guys did their jobs well, but none of them were essential, and P played with much better musicians later. The problem was P himself was not as inspired later, which is why I say those guys were lucky to be there when they were. I'm not talking about the business side of it nor who contributed. I'm talking about relationships We aren't talking about crack jokes Prince changed a bit after the stardom hit Like Lisa said they lived together for a while and would do their laundry together, feeding each other, Matt Prince Dez Andre Bobbby hanging out in the city, working out, having fun together That's not an occasionaly boss employee relationship | |
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scififilmnerd said: Riverpoet31 said: You are saying: Prince is clearly trying to stay fresh and relevant. But sorry, I dont see that at all during this decade.
Yeah, he's all Ol' Skool now. 
[Edited 6/8/09 9:59am] But his Ol'Skool works 2day 'cause he had that gift 2 see that far ahead. He has music in those vaults he recorded 15-20 years ago that could still work 2day. | |
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diamondpearl1 said: scififilmnerd said: Yeah, he's all Ol' Skool now.
[Edited 6/8/09 9:59am] But his Ol'Skool works 2day 'cause he had that gift 2 see that far ahead. He has music in those vaults he recorded 15-20 years ago that could still work 2day. maybe. maybe not. |
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midnightmover said: OldFriends4Sale said: I don't know if they could be considered just hired hands, especially in light of the time, These were friends (actually Prince is still friends with most of them, Wendy Dr Frink, Lisa, Bobby Z, Dez, Andre, I don't know where BrownMark is) But these people were with him from when he was no body They hung out, stayed at each others houses, ran around the city/cities together, Dr Fink Prince Andre used to work out together, cook outs, knew each others families, Lisa said in the current SPIN mag that she and Prince lived together for a while, she would make him sandwiches they did laundry together ... that's just hired hands? I don't think it could have been anyone that was in the band at the time. For example I think Lisa brought something to the table that Gayle Chapman didn't have, and I think she was able to go sexual-musically/lyrically with Prince in a way Gayle couldn't. Everyone brings different experiences and a different background. When I looked into the musical background of the Revolution members I was blown away, another example, as much as I love the SOTT/Lovesexy band I don't think as a whole they had the studio/songwriting creativity Prince got from the Revolution + Susannah. Don't be fooled by those heart warming anecdotes. Just 'cos your boss cracks a joke with you once in a while doesn't mean he sees you as an equal. Obviously Andre was different and Wendy & Lisa clearly were important contributors to Parade, but the rest were along for the ride (as Fink said himself). Pretty much all the definitive Prince stuff was done by P ALONE! Sometimes if one of them came up with a cool bass line or keyboard riff P would take that and turn it into a song, but frankly when a songwriter is in the zone, as P was at that time, they can use anything for inspiration and make it work. Remember, a riff and a song are two different things. It's also worth pointing out that the songs where P shared credits were often the weaker ones. Most of them were either not released or were lesser moments on stellar albums. CB for instance is the weakest track on PR. IGBABN is not one of the highlights of SOTT either. The highlights were done by P ALONE! Those guys did their jobs well, but none of them were essential, and P played with much better musicians later. The problem was P himself was not as inspired later, which is why I say those guys were lucky to be there when they were. I agree with u they should b glad they were there 4 the "RIDE" and people will even interview them NOW.Without Prince they would b just like the rest of us-LOOKING in FROM THE STREET. | |
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DMSRCMC12 said: midnightmover said: Don't be fooled by those heart warming anecdotes. Just 'cos your boss cracks a joke with you once in a while doesn't mean he sees you as an equal. Obviously Andre was different and Wendy & Lisa clearly were important contributors to Parade, but the rest were along for the ride (as Fink said himself). Pretty much all the definitive Prince stuff was done by P ALONE! Sometimes if one of them came up with a cool bass line or keyboard riff P would take that and turn it into a song, but frankly when a songwriter is in the zone, as P was at that time, they can use anything for inspiration and make it work. Remember, a riff and a song are two different things. It's also worth pointing out that the songs where P shared credits were often the weaker ones. Most of them were either not released or were lesser moments on stellar albums. CB for instance is the weakest track on PR. IGBABN is not one of the highlights of SOTT either. The highlights were done by P ALONE! Those guys did their jobs well, but none of them were essential, and P played with much better musicians later. The problem was P himself was not as inspired later, which is why I say those guys were lucky to be there when they were. I agree with u they should b glad they were there 4 the "RIDE" and people will even interview them NOW.Without Prince they would b just like the rest of us-LOOKING in FROM THE STREET. Some of them have reason to be interviewed for what they do now. I guess you just failed to notice. |
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OldFriends4Sale said: Prince's subsequent musicians were always talented. But arguably, they're not of the level he once had. If they don't bring any ideas, they don't challange him, they don't stimulate him. The Revolution were constantly bringing songs to his attention. They would leave rehearsal and go listen to a Duke Ellington record or a country western record. He was all ears. The more money he's had, the more he's been able to isolate himself from the real world. He handpicks his input.
-Alan Leeds SPIN Mag July 2009 pg 61 These comments are funny as hell. I guess Prince couldn't go out and buy his own music 2 listen 2 or just turn the radio dail 2 a station he would not ordinarily listen 2.....keep'em coming. | |
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