I know I've read somewhere that Prince tried to sign Destiny's Child at the very beginning of their career but that Beyoncé's parents didnt approve of it.

Now, Tamar was in the pre-DC group Gyrls Tyme.

Could it be that because Prince couldn't make Beyoncé his new protégé/Vanity he's now trying to turn Tamar into a new Beyoncé?



[Edited 7/2/06 4:45am]

Tamar was never in DC. She was in the pre-DC group Gyrls Tyme. If you've ever gotten the chance to see Beyonce's "Driven" on VH1, Gyrls Tyme was the group that performed on Star Search.

To answer your question, I don't think that Prince is trying to clone Beyonce. He is hip to how the music industry works, so he has to know that she will never have similar success to Beyonce because her look isn't mainstream and she's too old(in music industry years). Of course, he may "borrow" a few style elements from Beyonce, but that's about it as far as I can see. I am more inclined to believe that he is just helping out a talented young lady that probably would not have had a chance to pursue a professional singing career without his help.
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PurpleCharm said:

Thanks, I've edited my initial post

PurpleCharm said:

I agree 100%.

Graycap23 said:

yeah Tamar will dress like her, and jerk like her on stage, she will shake the tambourine like she did, she will wear her hair like she did in the Austin Powers movie and work it out video but naw it has nothing to do with Beyonce.

adorable2 said:

I don't know what kind of rush Prince got from performing with B at them Grammys but I feel he's trying to duplicate it with Tamar as a stand in. Tamar may very well be talented in her own right but that's not what i'm seein with their show. I'm seeing the Grammys revisited with an understudy. I love P but i gotta keep it real and thats just my take on it.

adorable2 said:

I already acknowleged that Prince may "borrow" elements of Beyonce's style.

Since when has Tamar worn a wig like this:



Prince must be on crack if he thinks he can turn Tamar into a Beyonce clone.
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PurpleCharm said:

No that could never happen. On the whole, I just wanna see a female artist come down Main St.(meaning do the pop/r&b thing) without having to look or sound or dance for that matter anything like Beyonce. I have nothing against B, but I think a whole lotta people are guilty of looking at her success and then somehow trying to take something from her and make it work. I said it once and I'll say it again the GMA performance felt like the Grammys revisited and I didn't care for it at all. Show me this girl without the jerking and foolishness and I'm cool.

adorable2 said:

I agree. Beyonce has become the model of success in the R & B game. I just hope Prince isn't trying to follow the Beyonce Rule Book of Success with Tamar. She needs to be allowed to come into her own person. At least he has her doing a rock track. I doubt Beyonce would even attempt to go down that road. Her career is all about playing it safe.

PurpleCharm said:

yeah enough JayZ collabos already.

Have to disagree, Prince wanted Tamar way back then not B. He wanted to sign Girls Tyme not Destiny's Child, and then later offered Tamar a PRODUCTION deal which she turned down at 14.

She choose to futher her education and once she finished her schooling hooked backed up with Prince.

Tamar sang lead in Girls Tyme she wasnt a back up singer. Tamar is more talented than B, Tamar can sing, dance, and act better.

Soon we will see who influenced who and who really "borrowed" they style from in reguards to Tamar and Beyonce

PurpleCharm said:

come again?

Duggs said:

Interesting...

sosgemini said:

stop it

Come on now...Do you really think Prince is that clueless when it comes to this subject only? Is it naivete or arrogance that would make him supposedly want to make Tamar a clone of Beyonce and expect similar results?

Hasn't Prince had a young, beautiful woman dance and sing with him off and on throughout his career?

Prince had Beyonce up with him for one tv appearance and most here agreed he'd have been just fine w/ out her. The general public may have seen it as a highlight. It might have been a boost to Prince's public image, but how significant was it in Prince's 25+ year career?

IMHO, same thing w/ Tamar. I'd say that she was a "Beyonce replacement" if he hadn't shown interest in her BEFORE Destiny's Child made it big.

She's a talented female singer/dancer that for now Prince enjoys performing on stage with. Helps him or hurts him, I don't think he really cares.

Here's a picture of Tamar in the group Girls Tyme .




This picture came up in Yahoo's Girls Tyme image search:




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VenusBlingBling said:

plus he gets free sex from tamar because mani too skinny.

Duggs said:

Do you remember just after Destiny's Child peaked with Survivor I believe it was...werent we introduced to some clones named Millenia?

and after Eminem's star was fading a bit, DVS popped his horrible head up in the Fonky Baldheads?

And Beyonce has also faltered since her Crazy in Love album, so here comes Tamar


Prince, co-opting popular styles just a bit after you forgot about them...at least when it comes to protegees

VenusBlingBling said:

you guys are really trying hard...
Are you implying that Prince saw this pic of B and wanted Tamar 2 look like that?
Come on now, 1st off what makes u think he has total control of her career?

Tamar had several songs on her myspace page, and i know Beautiful, Loved & Blessed was written by Tamar and Prince, as well as her album being Co-Produced by Prince not soley Produced.

If prince had total control of Tamar album directions or career I dont see why he would have HIS song on a myspace account where u can listen 4 free.

Myspace is a place where INDEPENDENT artist use to create a buzz and showcase their music.

Stop thinking that Prince made all of the decisions when it comes to Tamar. Thinking that is more naive than how you guys think Tamar is, wake up!!!!

Duggs said:

I haven't said anything about Prince trying to control Tamar's entire career. I was just thinking if Prince maybe uses her as he couldn't get Beyoncé. Sure, they're nothing alike, but it looks like Prince is trying to make some kind of sex kitten out of Tamar and more Beyoncé like than what she is. It wouldn't be the first time Prince does something like that, trying to "replace" someone with somebody else... I'm referring to Vanity and Apollonia...

I'm not saying that Tamar isn't a good, smart artist. I'm just wondering about Prince´s motives... But hey, let them work together

Keep in mind that only a couple of years after Girls Tyme (when Tamar was 14), but well before the emergence of Beyonce with Destiny's Child as a pop superstar, Prince recorded demos with Tamar/Ashley Davis, one of which is the well-known bootleg "On Your Own". Given that Prince seemed to have a keen interest in Tamar before Beyonce and DC blew up, I doubt the "also-ran" thesis presented here has any legs.

prince turning Tamar into Beyonce?...So, medical science has finally perfected the talent bypass operation. Excellent! Pop stardom here I come!

Duggs said:

I agree about the honey picture. Tamar's milk and honey album cover ties into the title of her album. I doubt Prince scoured the web looking for "inspirations" from Beyonce for Tamar's album cover.

As far as the songs that she has/had up on her myspace page, both of them are credited as the writers of those songs, so I would think she has just as much right to put those songs up, as he would.

Okay, it probably was a bad assumption to make, Prince substituting Beyoncé with Tamar, as I didn't have enough facts. So let's leave that aside.

But what do you think about Prince's and Tamar's relationship (music and style wise)? How much is really her and how much is Prince? Why has he been trying for so long to sign her? Is it just because he believes in her? She's a good artist with a good voice, but there are other female, non-famous, artists who are just as good or even better....

I want your honest and serious thoughts.
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Your wrong they did have a sytle. Go read the article that was written about Gyrls tyme. They explained what the group was about, what there vision was. And it was Tamar who was doing all the talking in that article/interview.

Tamar album completely done by Prince??? so your saying Prince gave Tamar "credit" out of generosity. If that was true he didnt give her credit he gave her ownership, and royalties rights, because she co-wrote every song.

We are talking about Prince right??? generosity when it comes to ownership of music, please that point was real weak.

I agree Tamar will never be Beyonce shell be better than Beyounce