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PrintableHey there artpal:) I see the thread is continuing to be as interesting as before. What's up bassdame! So nice of you to join us here. I saw on the Sue Ann Carwell thread that artpal suggests asking you about her. Did you happen to run into her while at PP?
Thanks to both of you guys for allowing us to share part of your lives with you. Peace and love... | |
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This thread is awesome! I find yr stories about the dames, particularly about being a woman in the music business, really poignant.
Also the commment about Prince's music working because it's simple...is revealing. I agree with that about music in general, but I've never approached Prince's music that way. I 've always focused on it's complex layering. I bet that you're right. I'll be listening for simplicity now. |
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Hi Bassdame, I love your stories. I have a question for u, do you know what became or what Sue Ann Carwell is up to? Also did she marry someone in Cameo and if so which 1? Thanks in advance! | |
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Hi Artpal! Long time since I've been on this side of the board. First, an assist on the Robin pic:
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Secondly, its good to see you still here and posting. Just letting you and Bassdame know that sharing your experiences with the other members is a very kind and gracious of you two. Its sometimes difficult to reveal certain aspects of one's life; especially when it involves revealing details about your lives as well as others who are greatly admired around here. Some are put on such high pedistals that its forgotten that people are people no matter how rich, famous or infamous they may be. Its a very risky thing to humanize someone as well as opening yourselves up to admonishment from others (Artpal, you know how it can get on here). It takes strong women to do that. You both have my respect. Thirdly, good luck on your documentary. Don't forget to turn the camera on yourself. You wouldn't want to leave out a beautiful woman in the process of sharing the lives of other beautiful women. and fourthly, Bassdame is hot! Peace. That is all.  [Edited 7/18/05 23:30pm] | |
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Thanks, ya'll. And thanks for the photo assist, blaque.
Blaque - what a thoughtful speech!  About being in the beauty video - that's a sweet compliment. I think I'd rather remain behind the camera for this one - or else I'd seem egotistical. 
Judas - poignant huh? Never thought of it that way. So you want to talk about the music, eh?  Yes, if you listen to Prince's stuff - you will notice that he chooses a simple chord pattern and then repeats it a lot. He adds other parts together - but all these parts are simple and repetative. What makes them effective is the relationship between the parts and how they evolve over time in relation to each other. Also, the ideas themselves might be simple but they say a lot - sort of like a simple logo that just sticks in your head. A good idea is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of complicated notes that nobody can make sense of.
There is a famous saying in music and well - the arts in general: "Keep it simple, stupid." And it works. Even the classical artists worked with simple ideas. Take Beethoven's fifth symphony. Ta ta ta dummmmm. Ta ta ta dummmmm. He takes that idea and repeats it higher and lower, faster and slower, louder and softer, stopping and restarting, shifting from instrument to instrument. What makes it complex is how the parts interelate to each other. That's my lesson for today. Any questions?  [Edited 7/19/05 16:24pm] The blessings and curses of being beautiful - a documentary
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Hey Y'll I've been really busy. Blaque you echo my sentiments. I told artpal that she should've been in her documentary..I know her up close and personal and yes she does qualify. Hey artpal don't you owe me a call!!!?!!  there is some flirting going on..no names will be mentioned. Yes i used to know sueann quite well. i'll be back with some stories. appetizer..sue anns' dad was a serious drummer and sueann did not have a conventional upbringing to say the least. she is one of the wildest girls i have ever known and loved.
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So you want to talk about the music, eh?
Yes, if you listen to Prince's stuff - you will notice that he chooses a simple chord pattern and then repeats it a lot. He adds other parts together - but all these parts are simple and repetative. What makes them effective is the relationship between the parts and how they evolve over time in relation to each other. Also, the ideas themselves might be simple but they say a lot - sort of like a simple logo that just sticks in your head. A good idea is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of complicated notes that nobody can make sense of.
There is a famous saying in music and well - the arts in general: "Keep it simple, stupid." And it works. Even the classical artists worked with simple ideas. Take Beethoven's fifth symphony. Ta ta ta dummmmm. Ta ta ta dummmmm. He takes that idea and repeats it higher and lower, faster and slower, louder and softer, stopping and restarting, shifting from instrument to instrument. What makes it complex is how the parts interelate to each other. That's my lesson for today. Any questions?
[Edited 7/19/05 16:24pm] Well, I totally understand the thing about music being simple and stupid. I've even yelled at my own bands "That needs to be STUPIDER!". It's important that part in songs be ICONIC, right? It's gota hit ya in the GUTS and not be some showboat affair. That said, as a listener, I always get caught up in the complexity of Prince's stuff. Songs like Lady Cab Driver, Erotic City, The Beautiful Ones, Adore, these are songs with intensely supple arrangements, filled with DRAMA. I still listen to The Beautiful Ones, and by the end I'm sorta lost keeping track where all the parts are coming from. One day, just for my own self education, I'm going to try and record a note for note copy of that song just so I can learn and figure it out. So, I've never really approached his stuff as simple. Perhaps it's cause I started listening to it when I was young before I had developed my ear and came to understand music. I'll approach it a new way now. I don't know what my questions would be for you. You've been pretty good at spilling the beans. If you have anything more to say about Prince songwriting secrets, I'm definately all ears. Lord knows he never says anything about how he creates music in interviews or anything. |
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artpal said: ...
So you want to talk about the music, eh? Yes, if you listen to Prince's stuff - you will notice that he chooses a simple chord pattern and then repeats it a lot. He adds other parts together - but all these parts are simple and repetative. What makes them effective is the relationship between the parts and how they evolve over time in relation to each other. Also, the ideas themselves might be simple but they say a lot - sort of like a simple logo that just sticks in your head. A good idea is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of complicated notes that nobody can make sense of.
There is a famous saying in music and well - the arts in general: "Keep it simple, stupid." And it works. Even the classical artists worked with simple ideas. Take Beethoven's fifth symphony. Ta ta ta dummmmm. Ta ta ta dummmmm. He takes that idea and repeats it higher and lower, faster and slower, louder and softer, stopping and restarting, shifting from instrument to instrument. What makes it complex is how the parts interelate to each other. That's my lesson for today. Any questions?
When I have said things like this on here, I get blasted to high hell. Maybe its because I've said them on the Prince Music & More side where the FANs hang out. We've discussed the differences in Prince's and Stevie's music and how difficult Stevie's work is to play. Prince often strings together simple parts to come up with contrasts that compliment each other. Sometimes what he's playing sounds hard...until you actually sit down and learn the song(s). The you realize what he does and its easier to deconstruct. There are soem Stevie songs where you really need the sheet music and a lot of time. Stevie likes to change chord voicings a lot during a song sometimes, too. You will be repeating a change and wondering why it doesn't quite sound right. Its because it'll be the same chord with a different voicing; repeated, but not really. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: artpal said: ...
So you want to talk about the music, eh? Yes, if you listen to Prince's stuff - you will notice that he chooses a simple chord pattern and then repeats it a lot. He adds other parts together - but all these parts are simple and repetative. What makes them effective is the relationship between the parts and how they evolve over time in relation to each other. Also, the ideas themselves might be simple but they say a lot - sort of like a simple logo that just sticks in your head. A good idea is a hell of a lot better than a bunch of complicated notes that nobody can make sense of.
There is a famous saying in music and well - the arts in general: "Keep it simple, stupid." And it works. Even the classical artists worked with simple ideas. Take Beethoven's fifth symphony. Ta ta ta dummmmm. Ta ta ta dummmmm. He takes that idea and repeats it higher and lower, faster and slower, louder and softer, stopping and restarting, shifting from instrument to instrument. What makes it complex is how the parts interelate to each other. That's my lesson for today. Any questions?
When I have said things like this on here, I get blasted to high hell. Maybe its because I've said them on the Prince Music & More side where the FANs hang out. On many occasions BK Baby, it's not only yourself that has caught hell for trying to steer fans from indulging into too much Purple Kool Aid  . I must say it is refreshing on this thread to being able to discuss P's music in a unbiased, non-worshiping manner and from a musician perspective. | |
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bassdame said: Blaque you echo my sentiments. I told artpal that she should've been in her documentary..I know her up close and personal and yes she does qualify.
Now who's flirtin' with whom?
Judas - I like that "ICONIC" thing. That's so true. And you're right about the arrangements - around those simple repetative lines are some very insightful accents and dramatic moves. Simple accents but so true. Hotlegs and Blaque, I don't think the issue is Purple Kool Aid. I think it's Complexity Kool Aid. It seems people think music needs to be complicated in order to be good. I so disagree with that philosophy. When I say Prince's music is simple, it's not at all a put down on my part. It's a compliment. To say that he can produce goosebumps in people with such simple ideas is saying he's a genius. His ideas are not comlex - they're amazingly good. So when people got angry at your comment about Prince's music being simple, they were assuming that simple is bad. To me, the "stupid" in "keep it simple, stupid" refers not to the idea being stupid, but to the "stupid" people who think things need to be complicated as a law. After all, it's not "keep it simple AND stupid;" it's "keep it simple, COMMA, stupid." (I'm not calling anyone "stupid" I'm just deconstructing the sentence.) 
Not to say complex music is bad. I love Stevie. Also, jazz has some simple repetition in it but you're right - the variations of those ideas can become complex. But personally, I prefer solos that say more with two soulfully played notes rather than solos that show off with twenty thousand notes and tricky riffs and say nothing to me. [Edited 7/20/05 10:18am] [Edited 7/20/05 21:09pm] The blessings and curses of being beautiful - a documentary
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Here's my view point on the music p. creates (some of it anyway)! He's a genius..the question is..of what!? sometimes i think his best "genius" is his ability to take someone elses sound and make it his own. unique and identifiable as his, but comfortable because it reminds you of other good music and musicians you've heard before.. he lets talented legendary people into his inner circle and absorbs their "style" and makes it his own. should i apologize now? | |
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Just doing some reading and have to say that bk you have one of the most stimulating characteristics someone can have..intelligence. and of course good judgement concerning the "hotness"  | |
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bassdame that is so TRUE-i was watching an interview that Prince's father was in and he was saying that Prince was like a sponge he would just watch him and absorb everything and obviously put his own thing 2 it and make it his | |
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PleasurePrinciple said: bassdame that is so TRUE-i was watching an interview that Prince's father was in and he was saying that Prince was like a sponge he would just watch him and absorb everything and obviously put his own thing 2 it and make it his
I don't think Prince would deny this. The fact is, this is the truth about musical and artistic innovation. You take what there is and add to it. We are all influenced by our environment - it's natural. You don't hear Prince writing Chinese opera - it's not part of his world. He writes stuff that is accessible to us and to him - and adds his own special stamp. Hey Bassdame, you never called me back!  The blessings and curses of being beautiful - a documentary
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bassdame said: Just doing some reading and have to say that bk you have one of the most stimulating characteristics someone can have..intelligence. and of course good judgement concerning the "hotness"
Just kidding. Not about the penis, but about what I thought it was. Sorry, that was naughty...  
That was very sweet of you. Didn't they make a soap opera about you? "The Bold and the Beautiful?" I've said these things in thiis site and been flamed to no end over them. Some typical responses: "Prince is the most original artist this century" "He blends styles better than anyone else does" "No one does it like Prince" "Name an artist who's as good. You're just jealous" "Where's your 25 + albums?" "The difference between Prince and someone like R. Kelly or Lenny Kravitz is that Prince borrows and makes it his own; they blatantly steal from other artists." (as if that changes anything) "Prince has influenced more artists than any of his influences" (that one cracks me up) "Prince has mastered every style. He does everything well." I tried to make the point that his changing band members tends to coincide with the times he changes his sound. He steals more from them than anyone else. He's been sued over it before. The counterpoints have been: "They just play what he tells them to" "He gives more than he takes" (really?) "They are lucky to be where they are" (again, really?) "He creates the music, they just play it" "They are getting the opportunity to work with a musical genius; what's an idea here and there compared to what they get? Not to mention the fact that he's paying the bills." (I guess there is no chance that any of them could be geniuses, too) 
People see what they want to see. Warner Bros. did such a great job with that "one man island" washjob on peoples' heads when it came to promoting Prince. Never once have I said Prince isn't a brilliant, accomplished artist. All I have said is that what people perceive to be Prince is actually Prince & Co.; a whole network of people working together to make it happen. Many are solely convinced that its all just Prince. Oh well.  [Edited 7/26/05 15:04pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: bassdame said: Just doing some reading and have to say that bk you have one of the most stimulating characteristics someone can have..intelligence. and of course good judgement concerning the "hotness"
Just kidding. Not about the penis, but about what I thought it was. Sorry, that was naughty...
That was very sweet of you. Didn't they make a soap opera about you? "The Bold and the Beautiful?" I've said these things in thiis site and been flamed to no end over them. Some typical responses: "Prince is the most original artist this century" "He blends styles better than anyone else does" "No one does it like Prince" "Name an artist who's as good. You're just jealous" "Where's your 25 + albums?" "The difference between Prince and someone like R. Kelly or Lenny Kravitz is that Prince borrows and makes it his own; they blatantly steal from other artists." (as if that changes anything) "Prince has influenced more artists than any of his influences" (that one cracks me up) "Prince has mastered every style. He does everything well." I tried to make the point that his changing band members tends to coincide with the times he changes his sound. He steals more from them than anyone else. He's been sued over it before. The counterpoints have been: "They just play what he tells them to" "He gives more tha he takes" (really?) "They are lucky to be where they are" (again, really?) "He creates the music, they just play it" "They are getting the opportunity to work with a musical genius; what's an idea here and there compared to what they get? Not to mention the fact that he's paying the bills." (I guess there is no chance that any of them could be geniuses, too)
People see what they want to see. Warner Bros. did such a great job with that "one man island" washjob on peoples' heads when it came to promoting Prince. Never once have I said Prince isn't a brilliant, accomplished artist. All I have said is that what people perceive to be Prince is actually Prince & Co. A whole network of people working together to nake it happen. Many are solely convinced that its all just Prince. Oh well.
[Edited 7/26/05 10:52am] co - sign. bk that is sooo true. but u know what they say, ignorance is bliss. some people don't want to know, or accept the fact that prince isn't a completely one man project. i think it ruins their genious concept of him. when in fact it doesnt take away at all. Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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BlaqueKnight said: bassdame said: Just doing some reading and have to say that bk you have one of the most stimulating characteristics someone can have..intelligence. and of course good judgement concerning the "hotness"
Just kidding. Not about the penis, but about what I thought it was. Sorry, that was naughty...
That was very sweet of you. Didn't they make a soap opera about you? ----- "The Bold and the Beautiful?" I've said these things in thiis site and been flamed to no end over them. Some typical responses: "Prince is the most original artist this century" "He blends styles better than anyone else does" "No one does it like Prince" "Name an artist who's as good. You're just jealous" "Where's your 25 + albums?" "The difference between Prince and someone like R. Kelly or Lenny Kravitz is that Prince borrows and makes it his own; they blatantly steal from other artists." (as if that changes anything) "Prince has influenced more artists than any of his influences" (that one cracks me up) "Prince has mastered every style. He does everything well." I tried to make the point that his changing band members tends to coincide with the times he changes his sound. He steals more from them than anyone else. He's been sued over it before. The counterpoints have been: "They just play what he tells them to" "He gives more than he takes" (really?) "They are lucky to be where they are" (again, really?) "He creates the music, they just play it" "They are getting the opportunity to work with a musical genius; what's an idea here and there compared to what they get? Not to mention the fact that he's paying the bills." (I guess there is no chance that any of them could be geniuses, too)
People see what they want to see. Warner Bros. did such a great job with that "one man island" washjob on peoples' heads when it came to promoting Prince. Never once have I said Prince isn't a brilliant, accomplished artist. All I have said is that what people perceive to be Prince is actually Prince & Co.; a whole network of people working together to make it happen. Many are solely convinced that its all just Prince. Oh well.
[Edited 7/26/05 15:04pm] ----- I don't think anyone thinks P is an island. I think the fact that a lot of his peers have not done much on their own with the exception of Jimmy and Terry. If just one of his peers was able to deliver the whole package you would not get so many people disagreeing with you. | |
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laurarichardson said: I don't think anyone thinks P is an island. I think the fact that a lot of his peers have not done much on their own with the exception of Jimmy and Terry. If just one of his peers was able to deliver the whole package you would not get so many people disagreeing with you. Who else has had a multi-million dollar corporation behind them? Prince didn't start off as what he ended up being in 1984. He evolved to that point. Jesse did it, talentwise. "Bare My Naked Soul was the CD Lenny Kravitz SHOULD have been making; and I'd put BMNS up against most of Prince's output as of late and it would win in my book. Even TRC isn't all that great - its just great to Prince fans who don't listen to much jazz. Thats neither here nor there. I disagree. I think fans DO think he's an island and there are thousands of things posted on this site to back that up. [Edited 7/27/05 9:08am] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said:
I don't think anyone thinks P is an island. I think the fact that a lot of his peers have not done much on their own with the exception of Jimmy and Terry. If just one of his peers was able to deliver the whole package you would not get so many people disagreeing with you. Who else has had a multi-million dollar corporation behind them? Prince didn't start off as what he ended up being in 1984. He eveolved to that point. Jesse did it, talentwise. "Bare My Naked Soul was the CD Lenny Kravits SHOULD have been making; and I'd put BMNS up against most of Prince's output as of late and it would win in my book. Even TRC isn't all that great - its just great to Prince fans who don't listen to much jazz. That neither here nor there. I disagree. I think fans DO think he's an island and there are thousands of things posted on this site to back that up.[/quote] Wow, Blaque. I didn't know the Purple Kool Aid was that bad. I see what you mean. It's a pity the drinkers measure the artists by number of units sold. They fail to realize that since Prince, the industry has changed. It no longer nurtures artists like Prince for the long run - it goes where the sure fire money is right away. If your first record doesn't sell, you're dead. That's not how the greats were treated back then - they were allowed to evolve like Prince was. I bet there is another Prince out there somewhere who will never get signed because of the nature of the beast. So tell me, Blaque - what specifically did Prince supposedly steal from his band members? What secret contributions are you privy to? C'mon - there's got to be something you can share. The blessings and curses of being beautiful - a documentary
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artpal said: Wow, Blaque. I didn't know the Purple Kool Aid was that bad. I see what you mean. It's a pity the drinkers measure the artists by number of units sold. They fail to realize that since Prince, the industry has changed. It no longer nurtures artists like Prince for the long run - it goes where the sure fire money is right away. If your first record doesn't sell, you're dead. That's not how the greats were treated back then - they were allowed to evolve like Prince was. I bet there is another Prince out there somewhere who will never get signed because of the nature of the beast. So tell me, Blaque - what specifically did Prince supposedly steal from his band members? What secret contributions are you privy to? C'mon - there's got to be something you can share. Very well said, Artpal! Actually, check out Tonex. You might be surprised. As for secrets..... Artpal, do you remember what happened the last time we shared secrets? LOL! | |
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Krystal asked me via an org note what makes me feel Prince was insecure.
Well, his actions made me feel he has a need to be worshipped and deferred to. Like the fact that he would talk to us only through Robin - as if her were God and she his prophet. He was "too important" and we were "too unworthy" for him to talk to us directly. Also, he likes women that worship the heck out of him - that is someone who needs constant inflation of his esteem. Another example is figuratively making us swim naked in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. To watch us jump when he said jump. To watch us write a song in fifteen minutes when he said so. His power trips to me are a sign of insecurity. I have this one memory of the Dames hanging out in the PP lounge waiting for something. Prince walked in and sort of hovered amongst us. We tried to play it cool and just hang rather than fawn all over him. I don't know what he was hovering there for. Perhaps he wanted us to fawn all over him but we didn't. He just suddenly left without a word. Now that I know more about him, I wonder if I should have said something. But how could I when I had the feeling that talking directly with him was taboo? Did we make him mad? So why am I having these thoughts? Is it because I sense that his ego is so fragile I get overly concerned about every little move I make around him? Were you in that lounge with us Bassdame? What did you think? The blessings and curses of being beautiful - a documentary
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artpal said: Krystal asked me via an org note what makes me feel Prince was insecure.
Well, his actions made me feel he has a need to be worshipped and deferred to. Like the fact that he would talk to us only through Robin - as if her were God and she his prophet. He was "too important" and we were "too unworthy" for him to talk to us directly. Also, he likes women that worship the heck out of him - that is someone who needs constant inflation of his esteem. Another example is figuratively making us swim naked in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. To watch us jump when he said jump. To watch us write a song in fifteen minutes when he said so. His power trips to me are a sign of insecurity. I have this one memory of the Dames hanging out in the PP lounge waiting for something. Prince walked in and sort of hovered amongst us. We tried to play it cool and just hang rather than fawn all over him. I don't know what he was hovering there for. Perhaps he wanted us to fawn all over him but we didn't. He just suddenly left without a word. Now that I know more about him, I wonder if I should have said something. But how could I when I had the feeling that talking directly with him was taboo? Did we make him mad? So why am I having these thoughts? Is it because I sense that his ego is so fragile I get overly concerned about every little move I make around him? Were you in that lounge with us Bassdame? What did you think? dayuuuuum! things was goin down like that? boy is more insecure than i thought Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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BlaqueKnight said: laurarichardson said: I don't think anyone thinks P is an island. I think the fact that a lot of his peers have not done much on their own with the exception of Jimmy and Terry. If just one of his peers was able to deliver the whole package you would not get so many people disagreeing with you. Who else has had a multi-million dollar corporation behind them? Prince didn't start off as what he ended up being in 1984. He evolved to that point. Jesse did it, talentwise. "Bare My Naked Soul was the CD Lenny Kravitz SHOULD have been making; and I'd put BMNS up against most of Prince's output as of late and it would win in my book. Even TRC isn't all that great - its just great to Prince fans who don't listen to much jazz. Thats neither here nor there. I disagree. I think fans DO think he's an island and there are thousands of things posted on this site to back that up. [Edited 7/27/05 9:08am] ----- Who are BMNS ? I can't speak for everyone one on the org. I realize that Prince is not an island and I think a few other people do to. We do have a lot of newbies and young people. In addtion, Prince means a lot to some people in the Mid 30 range. The music is like the soundtrack to their lives and the only identify it with Prince. Not Jesse or any of the other talented people Prince worked with. I also know that TRC is not jazz. People got hyped because it was some experimental for Prince after his long try at doing commercial pop music. The music industry is a game and he knows how to play the game. He is still around and a lot of people from the class of "84" are not even being productive i.e. touring or performing. I think P gets mad props on this board just for still being around. | |
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laurarichardson said: BlaqueKnight said: Who else has had a multi-million dollar corporation behind them? Prince didn't start off as what he ended up being in 1984. He evolved to that point. Jesse did it, talentwise. "Bare My Naked Soul was the CD Lenny Kravitz SHOULD have been making; and I'd put BMNS up against most of Prince's output as of late and it would win in my book. Even TRC isn't all that great - its just great to Prince fans who don't listen to much jazz. Thats neither here nor there. I disagree. I think fans DO think he's an island and there are thousands of things posted on this site to back that up. [Edited 7/27/05 9:08am] ----- Who are BMNS ? . Bare My Nakes Soul BK is talking about Jesse's album.  | |
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artpal and bassdame, thanks for the insights, interesting stuff!  | |
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artpal said: Krystal asked me via an org note what makes me feel Prince was insecure.
Well, his actions made me feel he has a need to be worshipped and deferred to. Like the fact that he would talk to us only through Robin - as if her were God and she his prophet. He was "too important" and we were "too unworthy" for him to talk to us directly. Also, he likes women that worship the heck out of him - that is someone who needs constant inflation of his esteem. Another example is figuratively making us swim naked in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. To watch us jump when he said jump. To watch us write a song in fifteen minutes when he said so. His power trips to me are a sign of insecurity. I have this one memory of the Dames hanging out in the PP lounge waiting for something. Prince walked in and sort of hovered amongst us. We tried to play it cool and just hang rather than fawn all over him. I don't know what he was hovering there for. Perhaps he wanted us to fawn all over him but we didn't. He just suddenly left without a word. Now that I know more about him, I wonder if I should have said something. But how could I when I had the feeling that talking directly with him was taboo? Did we make him mad? So why am I having these thoughts? Is it because I sense that his ego is so fragile I get overly concerned about every little move I make around him? Were you in that lounge with us Bassdame? What did you think?  Thanks artpal! Hmmm, Prince likes women to fawn all over him huh? Well I definatly know I would be in trouble with him if I ever met him because I would be wayyyy to shy and scared to talk to him. Hee hee I would just stare at him like a little puppy. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Even TRC isn't all that great - its just great to Prince fans who don't listen to much jazz. [Edited 7/27/05 9:08am]
A-fuck'n-MEN to THAT, bro! |
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Moonwalkbjrain said: artpal said: Krystal asked me via an org note what makes me feel Prince was insecure.
Well, his actions made me feel he has a need to be worshipped and deferred to. Like the fact that he would talk to us only through Robin - as if her were God and she his prophet. He was "too important" and we were "too unworthy" for him to talk to us directly. Also, he likes women that worship the heck out of him - that is someone who needs constant inflation of his esteem. Another example is figuratively making us swim naked in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. To watch us jump when he said jump. To watch us write a song in fifteen minutes when he said so. His power trips to me are a sign of insecurity. I have this one memory of the Dames hanging out in the PP lounge waiting for something. Prince walked in and sort of hovered amongst us. We tried to play it cool and just hang rather than fawn all over him. I don't know what he was hovering there for. Perhaps he wanted us to fawn all over him but we didn't. He just suddenly left without a word. Now that I know more about him, I wonder if I should have said something. But how could I when I had the feeling that talking directly with him was taboo? Did we make him mad? So why am I having these thoughts? Is it because I sense that his ego is so fragile I get overly concerned about every little move I make around him? Were you in that lounge with us Bassdame? What did you think? dayuuuuum! things was goin down like that? boy is more insecure than i thought ----- Sounds like rich/egotistical guy who has gotten use to woman kissing his rear. Most guys would trip like this if they were in his boots (LOL) | |
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laurarichardson said: Moonwalkbjrain said: dayuuuuum! things was goin down like that? boy is more insecure than i thought ----- Sounds like rich/egotistical guy who has gotten use to woman kissing his rear. Most guys would trip like this if they were in his boots (LOL) Hi gang! Have been missing you all & the .Org! How are you? LauraR. I TOTALLY think you're right... *chuckle* but I know at least one girl who wouldn't have anything to do with that... http://www.phinnweb.org/5...telephone/ okokkokok I know I'm a bit crazy about Miss Thang, but ladyfriend's my hero! Anyone who could walk away from him has my respect because that had to be incredibly hard. Man, I can't believe how much I've missed here since I've been gone... Nice to see you guys- Krystal how are ya?Nasty girls, dance, dance, DANCE! | |
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ScarletteP said: laurarichardson said: ----- Sounds like rich/egotistical guy who has gotten use to woman kissing his rear. Most guys would trip like this if they were in his boots (LOL) Hi gang! Have been missing you all & the .Org! How are you? LauraR. I TOTALLY think you're right... *chuckle* but I know at least one girl who wouldn't have anything to do with that... http://www.phinnweb.org/5...telephone/ okokkokok I know I'm a bit crazy about Miss Thang, but ladyfriend's my hero! Anyone who could walk away from him has my respect because that had to be incredibly hard. Man, I can't believe how much I've missed here since I've been gone... Nice to see you guys- Krystal how are ya?I'm good ScarletteP! Glad to see your still here on the org! I agree with you and laura. I read that article and I though it was cool how relaxed that girl was around him and how respectful she was of his space. Also I'm pretty sure someone told me that girl from the Gangster Glam video hung around Prince for a few years and she wouldn't take any of his crap. Whatever that means. | |
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