Efan said:

I think Genesia has made some good points.

chocolate1 said:

johnart said:

no, because it only affects your Facebook when you post here, not the other way around.....easy to escape the org.

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I also have some org friends on FB.. I find while we do often chat on FB it is kept pretty respectable because most of us have parents or children or other family on FB... The org sometimes is kind of a refuge from the ordinary boringness of some of the IRL people we know... I surely wouldnt want my MOM having acess to anal douching threads and other silly things we talk about here.. Even tho I know anyone can find the org, most people I know doesnt know it exists...

Its not that I am embarrased by my behaviour on the org, its just I have always been "different" from most people I know, and here on the org I feel like I have found a place where I fit in... A place where so called "normal" people just wouldnt understand...

Idk... I hope that makes sense..

tinaz said:

It makes total sense. I'm not embarrassed about anything I say here, but it would be nice to have one place to cut up without worrying that 400 million or so other people might see some nonsense - and perhaps use it against me.

It's going to have a chilling affect on anyone here with a lick of common sense. Which isn't a lot of people, I realize. But still.

I'm not sure I understand what the privacy concern is here.

You can choose to like or link if you want. Or you can choose not to participate.

If someone else does link to a thread here on the org (which, they already could have anyway through facebook at least, we've just made it easier), only their "friends" can view what was liked or linked. So in the case of an employer seeing what you're doing - your coworker or boss or whoever would not only have to be able to put your real name on facebook to your screenname here, but also be friends with whoever is (maliciously or not) linking to a thread here.

I'm just not seeing the big deal.

CarrieMpls said:

Thats not true Carrie... Do you know how many people I have looked at from my friends friends list?? And even if only their friends can see it, anyone can click on the link... Some of my friends have friends that I cant STAND and I dont want those people in my business...

Say Dan posted a link to a thread on my wall... My friend julie can see it, if she comments on fb about that thread in the comment box, then everyone who looks at her wall can see she made a comment... They can totally click on my name then and now people I dont even know are in my fb...And even if they cant see what it said they now know i post on prince.org...

Not that people are trying to see what im doing all the time, its just a feeling of uneasiness that somehow a stranger has invaded my privacy
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CarrieMpls said:

The big deal is that the idea that "only friends" of the person who posts it to Facebook will see it is that that person has to have their Facebook controls set so that "only friends" are seeing their profile. The current default setting on Facebook is "everyone." Which means there are potentially a lot of members who are, essence, "open (Face)books."

"[Y]ou can choose not to participate." Well, there it is. Don't like what we're doing? Too bad - go somewhere else.

I get it.

tinaz said:

I guess I don't know anyone who trolls random people's facebook walls.

And - as I stated - anyone could have linked to threads here already. It's a feature facebook already provides - linking to any web address. People have done it before.

I really think you guys are making mountains out of molehills. But that's just my take.

CarrieMpls said:

Plenty of people "troll" on fb, they just dont tell you about it, its called boredom! ... Even tho you are not on my friends list on fb, i could acsess you and friends of you, and friends of them just because we have one friend in common...

Genesia is right...
It's going to have a chilling affect on anyone here with a lick of common sense...

I do want to say I appreciate that Ben is trying out new ideas!! In a community such as this, I think it should have been put to a vote or something...

tinaz said:

Well, I'd add you as a friend.

But my profile on facebook is set to private. So you currently can't see anything on my own profile. You can see my posts on others walls and such if they are your friends too, sure.

Apparently I don't have a lick of common sense, then. I'm simply not chilled.

CarrieMpls said:

Ok, heres what I just did...and no, im not a creepy internet stalker

I went to someone friends list, found you... I wasnt able to read your wall, but I could see all your pictures, and I know where you live... I then went to another orger you had as a friend, who im not 'friends' with on fb... I was able to read his wall posts, see his profile and look at all his pics, and i have acess to his whole friends list...

Not everyone realizes that fb changed a while ago and that in turn reset all the privacy filters and you had to go back and change them again...

Thats all were sayin...

tinaz said:

But who's gonna take the time to do all that?

And if they're searching that hard, they could find me personally here anyway.

I suppose I can see your concern, in a way, but this really doesn't change anything, other than made it easier to feature org threads. That's all I'm saying.

CarrieMpls said:

Well its all been said...

CarrieMpls said:

plenty...there are folks right here that have done the same sort of thing with photobucket and other sites...

making the threads easier to feature is kinda what bothers me...links, as I see it, kinda go unoticed but start throwing likes and that annoying lil' thumb beside 'em and they're gonna be way more attractive to people that otherwisae would have paid no attention...

the internet is a huge place and when it boils down to it, you shouldn't post anything that you don't want seen...I personally would prefer that the org be "my" place and not some place that my friends or random friends of friends can more easily access...

Okay... say someone decides to link a photowhore thread. On here, I haven't really cared that much, because I never post pix of myself that are "inappropriate".

However, with the WWW, people are connected to people who we would never expect. I don't have a picture on the profile I created not using my actual name.... for a reason. I don't want my picture on FB. People who know me understand this, and don't tag me either.
Like I said.... this feature will cause me to not participate in photowhore threads anymore. Or certain topics.

chocolate1 said:

thejason said:

I had to password-protect my photobucket account, after I deleted a bunch of pictures. Someone was cyber-stalking me....
Nothing was "bad", but this psycho went thru my things and tried to cause trouble for me (over a guy) based on what she THOUGHT she saw in my pictures.

thejason said:

YUP!

I suppose I can see what you're saying.

Nearly everyone I know well knows I'm on the org, so there's no real expectation of privacy for me here. I treat this as I would any other online venture in that I know what I post here could be read by bascially anyone I know. This may change things slightly for those of you who have been a bit more anonymous here.

I don't expect to see hundreds of threads highlighted on facebook, though. Especially not stuff from GD or P&R. What I can see being highlighted most are the frontpage newsworthy threads - stuff like that.

We'll have to see how this all plays out, I guess.

CarrieMpls said:

This is a good reason why the Mods should have facebook linking/liking tabs ~ I agree on that

overall I am not a fan of the entire org being able to use the link/like tabs BUT this is not my site and I can adjust and go with the flow

I'm pretty much on the fence with all of it but my gut says :noliketab: overall

CarrieMpls said:

Firefox browser also has an addon that I've been using for a while now that allows you to link any page on the web to your FB account with just one click. Does a nice job of it too. So while privacy is important to me, knowing that these proposed changes on The Org wouldn't make anything possible that wasn't possible already is why I'm not so threatened by the idea.

But clearly, the members here having issues with the change have valid concerns. And since the new changes aren't something that I would be using anyway, I wouldn't be upset if the FB linking options were removed.

Would still like to see those larger avatars though.

CarrieMpls said:

As I said in a thread on GD, Facebook was created not to join friends with one another, but to collect personal information on its users and sell that information to as many companies that will pay as much for it as possible.

This is why every news site has a story about another Facebook privacy violation or trick almost every day. And this is also why Facebook continuously changes their privacy controls. It's no coincidence that it's always an "Everyone" default, and that you always have to go back and manually change it.

I applaud Ben for being forward-thinking, but most of the posters are right. All kinds of personal information on all of us will be out there for the world to see.

CarrieMpls said:

Every pervert on the internet that sees your picture, or Erin's or just about any of the women who post here, that's who.

PDogz said:

no. that would be terrible. one of the best features of the org's forums is that you don't have to wade through endless gigantic sig pics to see the content of a thread. it actually keeps me from visiting other forums when i see that crap all over a thread.

I agree with the people who are opposed to this facebook integration. Really, really bad idea from a privacy standpoint to be broadcasting people's real names, pics, etc., outside of their own limited social network.