purple1968 said:

Graycap23 said:

That is the sad part of this equation.

He may or may not show up.

------ Why is that sad? People are smart they can read the advertisement. Be honest a lot of this complaining is just plain old jelousy. A lot of people cannot afford these prices and P has not done a across the country tour in a while (with resonable prices). I am sure he will do one soon at least I hope before he is 60years old. No need to be negative about a concert you are not going to attend be happy for the people that are going.

Geez. Why would anyone be jealouse to be able to pay big bucks for a concert where Prince may or may not show up?? When you only want to see Prince and don't care for the others, then you end up being disappointed either way. He's taking advantage of the people that want to see him.

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How swank are these 6 shows gonna be? Just too damn for me...

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I saw Orianthi, Alice Cooper's lead guitarist and a fantastic singer too, 2 nights ago at the tiny 100 Club in London, a "real" musician btw lol. Ticket was around £25 (approx $35) incl booking fees.

Backed up by Alice's bassist and drummer it was a fantastic show.

Oh and a "surprise" special guest, Alice himself, showed up and sang a song at the end.

So you see this sort of thing," real" musicians/singers playing a show and having a special guest come on do a song happens all the time...

...the difference being, no jacked up, crazy ass expensive ticket prices, no teases, false hopes raised, then dashed, no lies, bullshit or trickery.

Oh and Orianthi is a genuine, renowned talent in her own right, a v well respected musician,who's guitar skills are right up there with Prince's and has a great voice whereas outside the hardcore Prince fans and here on the Org i don't think anyone knows who Shelby J or Liv Warfield are.

One last thing, as i'm using her as my example to make my point, Orianthi has released 3 full albums as well as an EP...how many has Shelby J released? Does she even have any of her own material?

Sorry for the rather rambling, long ass post, just trying to get my point across

[Edited 8/9/13 2:25am]

onecrush said:

whereas outside the hardcore Prince fans and here on the Org i don't think anyone knows who Shelby J or Liv Warfield are.

One last thing, as i'm using her as my example to make my point, Orianthi has released 3 full albums as well as an EP...how many has Shelby J released? Does she even have any of her own material?

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/blackgypsy

http://www.amazon.com/Embrace-Me-Liv-Warfield/dp/B000IONRLW

And as you can see here shelby has performed with other popular acts:

http://princevault.com/index.php/Shelby_J.

So there are probably more people than just prince fans who know her.

[Edited 8/9/13 5:04am]

onecrush said:

I saw Orianthi, Alice Cooper's lead guitarist and a fantastic singer too, 2 nights ago at the tiny 100 Club in London, a "real" musician btw lol. Ticket was around £25 (approx $35) incl booking fees.

Backed up by Alice's bassist and drummer it was a fantastic show.

Oh and a "surprise" special guest, Alice himself, showed up and sang a song at the end.

So you see this sort of thing," real" musicians/singers playing a show and having a special guest come on do a song happens all the time...

...the difference being, no jacked up, crazy ass expensive ticket prices, no teases, false hopes raised, then dashed, no lies, bullshit or trickery.

Oh and Orianthi is a genuine, renowned talent in her own right, a v well respected musician,who's guitar skills are right up there with Prince's and has a great voice whereas outside the hardcore Prince fans and here on the Org i don't think anyone knows who Shelby J or Liv Warfield are.

One last thing, as i'm using her as my example to make my point, Orianthi has released 3 full albums as well as an EP...how many has Shelby J released? Does she even have any of her own material?

Sorry for the rather rambling, long ass post, just trying to get my point across

[Edited 8/9/13 2:25am]

Hi Onecrush,

There's a lot of well-known artists, that don't have cds out. Anyway, Shelby has performed with Carlos Santana, D'Angelo, Martin Luther, Anthony Hamilton and yours truly...Prince, as well as other known musicians/artists. I think that gives her some clout as an artist, but they are not responsible for the gift of her powerful, soulful voice. I don't think it is fair that just because she doesn't have 4 or 5 albums out, that she should be judged so unfairly. There are many background vocalists who later pursue a solo career. The prices for those tickets in NYC are pretty much average prices It's not just her performing at those shows, it's also Liv Warfield and the NPGhornz section. I'm sure they will put on a good show.

Besides, didn't you fly all the way from England when Prince was promoting Tamar at the Empire Club in Vegas back in 2006, yet you were not familiar with who Tamar was, and she didn't have an album out at the time either, but you attended those shows and paid over $300 per show, like the rest of us wh attended those shows that weekend? Just sayin'.

[Edited 8/9/13 7:02am]

I'm really shocked that the VIP tickets for the last show have sold out. $350 a ticket? All 48 of you are crazy. Someone just made $16,800 and it might not even be Prince! And God only knows to what capicity they're going to fill that tiny venue up to for the $200 standing room only tickets. City Winery is usually a nice small intimate venue with several tables and seats (not JUST 48) this is going to be a hot August night stuffy mess. If I'm paying $200... a seat, legroom and elbow room better be included. Has Prince forgotten that most of his fans are over 30?

DaisyHall said:

I'm really shocked that the VIP tickets for the last show have sold out. $350 a ticket? All 48 of you are crazy. Someone just made $16,800 and it might not even be Prince! And God only knows to what capicity they're going to fill that tiny venue up to for the $200 standing room only tickets. City Winery is usually a nice small intimate venue with several tables and seats (not JUST 48) this is going to be a hot August night stuffy mess. If I'm paying $200... a seat, legroom and elbow room better be included. Has Prince forgotten that most of his fans are over 30?

Not everyone is going for the hopes of Prince showing up, although there are some that are hoping that happens. Either way, if people want to and can shell out money for entertainment, then it is what it is, even if there is a big chance the artist they hope to see may not show up. Same as what happened with the Carnegie Hall tribute;the show was still good either way for many.

2elijah said:

onecrush said:

I saw Orianthi, Alice Cooper's lead guitarist and a fantastic singer too, 2 nights ago at the tiny 100 Club in London, a "real" musician btw lol. Ticket was around £25 (approx $35) incl booking fees.

Backed up by Alice's bassist and drummer it was a fantastic show.

Oh and a "surprise" special guest, Alice himself, showed up and sang a song at the end.

So you see this sort of thing," real" musicians/singers playing a show and having a special guest come on do a song happens all the time...

...the difference being, no jacked up, crazy ass expensive ticket prices, no teases, false hopes raised, then dashed, no lies, bullshit or trickery.

Oh and Orianthi is a genuine, renowned talent in her own right, a v well respected musician,who's guitar skills are right up there with Prince's and has a great voice whereas outside the hardcore Prince fans and here on the Org i don't think anyone knows who Shelby J or Liv Warfield are.

One last thing, as i'm using her as my example to make my point, Orianthi has released 3 full albums as well as an EP...how many has Shelby J released? Does she even have any of her own material?

Sorry for the rather rambling, long ass post, just trying to get my point across

[Edited 8/9/13 2:25am]

Hi Onecrush,

There's a lot of well-known artists, that don't have cds out. Anyway, Shelby has performed with Carlos Santana, D'Angelo, Martin Luther, Anthony Hamilton and yours truly...Prince, as well as other known musicians/artists. I think that gives her some clout as an artist, but they are not responsible for the gift of her powerful, soulful voice. I don't think it is fair that just because she doesn't have 4 or 5 albums out, that she should be judged so unfairly. There are many background vocalists who later pursue a solo career. The prices for those tickets in NYC are pretty much average prices It's not just her performing at those shows, it's also Liv Warfield and the NPGhornz section. I'm sure they will put on a good show.

Besides, didn't you fly all the way from England when Prince was promoting Tamar at the Empire Club in Vegas back in 2006, yet you were not familiar with who Tamar was, and she didn't have an album out at the time either, but you attended those shows and paid over $300 per show, like the rest of us wh attended those shows that weekend? Just sayin'.

[Edited 8/9/13 7:02am]

yeah ok, u got me there lol.

But as the song goes "but that was then, this is NOW". Was it really $300 dollars per show? I can't believe I paid that much? Or did I?

Anyway I liked Tamar but just can't stomach Shelby J. I think it was at all those 21 nites @ The O2 back in 2007 that i grew tired of her.

onecrush said:

2elijah said:

Hi Onecrush,

There's a lot of well-known artists, that don't have cds out. Anyway, Shelby has performed with Carlos Santana, D'Angelo, Martin Luther, Anthony Hamilton and yours truly...Prince, as well as other known musicians/artists. I think that gives her some clout as an artist, but they are not responsible for the gift of her powerful, soulful voice. I don't think it is fair that just because she doesn't have 4 or 5 albums out, that she should be judged so unfairly. There are many background vocalists who later pursue a solo career. The prices for those tickets in NYC are pretty much average prices It's not just her performing at those shows, it's also Liv Warfield and the NPGhornz section. I'm sure they will put on a good show.

Besides, didn't you fly all the way from England when Prince was promoting Tamar at the Empire Club in Vegas back in 2006, yet you were not familiar with who Tamar was, and she didn't have an album out at the time either, but you attended those shows and paid over $300 per show, like the rest of us wh attended those shows that weekend? Just sayin'.

[Edited 8/9/13 7:02am]

yeah ok, u got me there lol.

But as the song goes "but that was then, this is NOW". Was it really $300 dollars per show? I can't believe I paid that much? Or did I?

Anyway I liked Tamar but just can't stomach Shelby J. I think it was at all those 21 nites @ The O2 back in 2007 that i grew tired of her.

Yes we did. It was $312.10 each night, for a 2-day weekend show at the Empire Club in Vegas. I still don't get your attitude towards Shelby J though. When I see how many parents pay for voice lessons for their kids to sing that soulful, while Shelby has been blessed to have that singing voice.

It's not like Prince has never let the light shine on any of his band members prior to giving Shelby and the other 2 vocalists their time to shine on stage as well. He does it for Donna, Hannah and Ida, and most fans never heard of Donna or Hannah prior to those two musicians, current association with Prince. Ida already had her foot in the door because she's been part of the NPG family before being part of the 3eg group. So I don't see anything wrong with some of his band members doing their own shows, minus Prince's appearance. I'm sure they will be just fine with their NYC run.

Anyway, I noticed that most of the tix purchases for the City Winery shows, have been for the 8/23 and 8/25 shows, probably because most who purchased tix for those shows, feel Prince will show up on those nights and jam with the band. It would be something though, if he showed up for the shows on 8/21 and 8/22 instead.

If the 8/21 and 8/22 shows don't sell as fast as the 8/23 and 8/25 shows, I wonder if they will cancel late shows for 8/21 and 8/22, and just make both nights, early shows instead, with a longer performance time, which would make more sense if not enough tix are selling for the late shows on 8/21 and 8/22. I think something like that happened, when Prince and 3Eg performed at the Myth shows in Minneapolis. I believe tix prices were lowered and some shows scheduled to be 2 per night was slashed to one show per night, with a longer performance time.

[Edited 8/10/13 11:44am]

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is interesting. Prince is, in a way, a promoter for this series of shows. It is being "teased" that there will be a "hot mike" each night in case he wants to join in and that there will be "special guests." * Bonuses: They should be good shows. These musicians are no slouches. It's a small venue that gets positive reviews. * Cons: NO GUARANTEE THAT PRINCE WILL BE THERE. The singers are mmmkay. The whole "special guest" concept has gotten murky where Prince is concerned. Pricey, but only outrageously so on the final night. * IMHO, this is not earth shattering Prince news and it borders on Bait-and-Switch. It's a shame because it would be a good run on its own, so there's no need for the smoke & mirrors.

I love Prince. I've been attending his shows since 1984. Since I moved to Los Angeles, I have seen Prince more times than I can count since he always plays this city. I just shelled out $500 a few months ago to see him in Anaheim and loved the shows. However, I really wish he would stop pulling stunts like this. It's not cool to do this to fans, especially his hard core fans. No other artists would pull this bait and switch on their fan base. I just don't understand what he's doing anymore. He does these 3rd Eye Shows, sets up a website, releases a few digital singles, and then nothing. Where's the cd? Where's the tour? Where's the tour merchandise? He may believe that what he is doing is anti-establishment, but it's really anti-fan. I, like many fans, just want Prince to release a complete cd (hard copy and Itunes), go on tour and play a mix of old and new music, and have reasonable ticket prices. What's wrong with that Prince? You will make money, your hard core fans will be pleased, your old fans will return, and you will pick up some new fans. Sadly, sometimes it feels like Prince could care less about what his supporters think.

derrick31 said:

Nothinbutjoy said:

This is interesting. Prince is, in a way, a promoter for this series of shows. It is being "teased" that there will be a "hot mike" each night in case he wants to join in and that there will be "special guests." * Bonuses: They should be good shows. These musicians are no slouches. It's a small venue that gets positive reviews. * Cons: NO GUARANTEE THAT PRINCE WILL BE THERE. The singers are mmmkay. The whole "special guest" concept has gotten murky where Prince is concerned. Pricey, but only outrageously so on the final night. * IMHO, this is not earth shattering Prince news and it borders on Bait-and-Switch. It's a shame because it would be a good run on its own, so there's no need for the smoke & mirrors.

I love Prince. I've been attending his shows since 1984. Since I moved to Los Angeles, I have seen Prince more times than I can count since he always plays this city. I just shelled out $500 a few months ago to see him in Anaheim and loved the shows. However, I really wish he would stop pulling stunts like this. It's not cool to do this to fans, especially his hard core fans. No other artists would pull this bait and switch on their fan base. I just don't understand what he's doing anymore. He does these 3rd Eye Shows, sets up a website, releases a few digital singles, and then nothing. Where's the cd? Where's the tour? Where's the tour merchandise? He may believe that what he is doing is anti-establishment, but it's really anti-fan. I, like many fans, just want Prince to release a complete cd (hard copy and Itunes), go on tour and play a mix of old and new music, and have reasonable ticket prices. What's wrong with that Prince? You will make money, your hard core fans will be pleased, your old fans will return, and you will pick up some new fans. Sadly, sometimes it feels like Prince could care less about what his supporters think.

Wrong! Three words..3RD GIRL TV. Prince is only one person! Stop expecting him to part the red sea! If U been a fan 4 that long! Then U should know he doesn't do & will never do the expected. Be happy that he is still here & able to perform and put out new muziq still,no matter what way. He can't please everybody & never will!!!

Graycap23 said:

PatrickS77 said:

PurpleJedi said:

Graycap23 said:

Selling tickets 2 a concert that Prince may or may not show up 2 is not cool in my book.

This has nothing 2 do with being negative.

The Vegas shows were expensive, but they were freakin' VEGAS shows, with the guarantee of seeing Prince.

This nonsense reeks of desperation.

Maybe it's negative on my part, but it sure as hell ain't jealousy! If you have the ability to dish out $200 on a show of this caliber, then good for you. But I'm not going to pretend that I think it's a great idea. That's why we have these boards...to post our feelings, our likes and our dislikes.

Better get used to negative feedback if you want to roll with the Org! That's why I've been here so long and couldn't deal with the unabashed brown-nosing of NPGMC. We are free to criticize here.

Here's something else to consider: Singers who do not play instruments or don't do anything incredibly entertaining, lose a sense of dynamics. I doubt these two think on the level of a Prince/Springsteen/James Brown/ etc.

Can they justify a 75 dollar show & no virtually no Prince when that is the brand they come from? NYC is not a forgiving town, if this show is subpar, you will hear about it on social media immediately. Do you think these two are ready for that? How far has Prince gassed them?

I have no doubt Shelby and Liv are talented, but 75 dollars & some special guests isn't going to cut it. They don't even have a wheelhorse of hits to go through. This is almost to the equivalent of Jada Pinkett headlining w/ her band and charging 75 a pop w/ the hint that maybe some special guests will arrive.

Some of the opinions on this thread are completely irrational. The average price for winery tickets is "50 dollars" per event, a perspective for orgers who are smoking serious purple meth (shameless plug Breaking Bad premiere tonight) A few artists are charging premium prices, Taj Mahal,Kenny Loggins.

But Liv Warfield and Shelby are not even in the fucking building where it concerns the brand names above for performing events. NPG Hornz? No one in NYC knows who the fuck that is.

P.S. Mavis Staples isn't even charging 75 a show at City Winery and she has recent grammy award winning albums. Oh, I know why, you are getting a package deal, the hits of Liv and Shelby! Nevermind...

Trickology said:

PurpleJedi said:

The Vegas shows were expensive, but they were freakin' VEGAS shows, with the guarantee of seeing Prince.

This nonsense reeks of desperation.

Maybe it's negative on my part, but it sure as hell ain't jealousy! If you have the ability to dish out $200 on a show of this caliber, then good for you. But I'm not going to pretend that I think it's a great idea. That's why we have these boards...to post our feelings, our likes and our dislikes.

Better get used to negative feedback if you want to roll with the Org! That's why I've been here so long and couldn't deal with the unabashed brown-nosing of NPGMC. We are free to criticize here.

Here's something else to consider: Singers who do not play instruments or don't do anything incredibly entertaining, lose a sense of dynamics. I doubt these two think on the level of a Prince/Springsteen/James Brown/ etc.

Can they justify a 75 dollar show & no virtually no Prince when that is the brand they come from? NYC is not a forgiving town, if this show is subpar, you will hear about it on social media immediately. Do you think these two are ready for that? How far has Prince gassed them?

I have no doubt Shelby and Liv are talented, but 75 dollars & some special guests isn't going to cut it. They don't even have a wheelhorse of hits to go through. This is almost to the equivalent of Jada Pinkett headlining w/ her band and charging 75 a pop w/ the hint that maybe some special guests will arrive.

Some of the opinions on this thread are completely irrational. The average price for winery tickets is "50 dollars" per event, a perspective for orgers who are smoking serious purple meth (shameless plug Breaking Bad premiere tonight) A few artists are charging premium prices, Taj Mahal,Kenny Loggins.

But Liv Warfield and Shelby are not even in the fucking building where it concerns the brand names above for performing events. NPG Hornz? No one in NYC knows who the fuck that is.

P.S. Mavis Staples isn't even charging 75 a show at City Winery and she has recent grammy award winning albums. Oh, I know why, you are getting a package deal, the hits of Liv and Shelby! Nevermind...

(Bolded part) Actually it's more like $65.00. Makes no sense to drive yourself nuts worried about how much someone pays to see a concert, especially if you're not paying for it. At the end of the day, many will do whatever they choose with their money, and all the complaints and opinions in the world won't change that.

[Edited 8/11/13 11:38am]

andykeen said:

2elijah said:

Trickology said:

Here's something else to consider: Singers who do not play instruments or don't do anything incredibly entertaining, lose a sense of dynamics. I doubt these two think on the level of a Prince/Springsteen/James Brown/ etc.

Can they justify a 75 dollar show & no virtually no Prince when that is the brand they come from? NYC is not a forgiving town, if this show is subpar, you will hear about it on social media immediately. Do you think these two are ready for that? How far has Prince gassed them?

I have no doubt Shelby and Liv are talented, but 75 dollars & some special guests isn't going to cut it. They don't even have a wheelhorse of hits to go through. This is almost to the equivalent of Jada Pinkett headlining w/ her band and charging 75 a pop w/ the hint that maybe some special guests will arrive.

Some of the opinions on this thread are completely irrational. The average price for winery tickets is "50 dollars" per event, a perspective for orgers who are smoking serious purple meth (shameless plug Breaking Bad premiere tonight) A few artists are charging premium prices, Taj Mahal,Kenny Loggins.

But Liv Warfield and Shelby are not even in the fucking building where it concerns the brand names above for performing events. NPG Hornz? No one in NYC knows who the fuck that is.

P.S. Mavis Staples isn't even charging 75 a show at City Winery and she has recent grammy award winning albums. Oh, I know why, you are getting a package deal, the hits of Liv and Shelby! Nevermind...

(Bolded part) Actually it's more like $65.00. Makes no sense to drive yourself nuts worried about how much someone pays to see a concert, especially if you're not paying for it. At the end of the day, many will do whatever they choose with their money, and all the complaints and opinions in the world won't change that.

[Edited 8/11/13 11:38am]

No, it is 75.00. Not driving myself nuts, it is just too much for tickets to see someone. 6 shows? Good luck w/ that.

http://www.citywinery.com/newyork/tickets/new-power-generation-vocalists-shelby-j-and-liv-warfield-and-the-npg-hornz-w-special-surprise-guests-nightly-late-8-21.html

All I know is I was geeked at the prospect of seeing Prince in a three-piece band format...I've read all the 3EG reviews and they have been mostly positive...Plus P shredding on the axe? I was down considering this was the first time he would be in NYC with the new lineup...

Now if I want to see P with the new set up I have to guess which gig he will be at? Like for real? ....

If he wanted to promote Shelby and Liv just let them open up for him...Or let Liv and Shelby/NPG do their own gigs without all the bait and switch nonsense....I'll try to come up on some freebies....lol

Hopefully P will be back in NYC with a proper show....

Trickology said:

2elijah said:

(Bolded part) Actually it's more like $65.00. Makes no sense to drive yourself nuts worried about how much someone pays to see a concert, especially if you're not paying for it. At the end of the day, many will do whatever they choose with their money, and all the complaints and opinions in the world won't change that.

[Edited 8/11/13 11:38am]

No, it is 75.00. Not driving myself nuts, it is just too much for tickets to see someone. 6 shows? Good luck w/ that.

http://www.citywinery.com/newyork/tickets/new-power-generation-vocalists-shelby-j-and-liv-warfield-and-the-npg-hornz-w-special-surprise-guests-nightly-late-8-21.html

Actually, I was referring to a different event that was priced around $65.00 at City Winery in the past. I won't deny that there will be some who will be disappointed, especially for the late Thursday or Sunday shows if P is a no show, but the early advertisement did give the impression Prince would be present for some of those shows, but if not, well, it will be another no-show for NY. Nothing new at this point.

[Edited 8/12/13 9:51am]

2elijah said:

Trickology said:

No, it is 75.00. Not driving myself nuts, it is just too much for tickets to see someone. 6 shows? Good luck w/ that.

http://www.citywinery.com/newyork/tickets/new-power-generation-vocalists-shelby-j-and-liv-warfield-and-the-npg-hornz-w-special-surprise-guests-nightly-late-8-21.html

Actually, I was referring to a different event that was priced around $65.00 at City Winery in the past. I won't deny that there will be some who will be disappointed, especially for the late Thursday or Sunday shows if P is a no show, but the early advertisement did give the impression Prince would be present for some of those shows, but if not, well, it will be another no-show for NY. Nothing new at this point.

[Edited 8/12/13 9:51am]

I think some artists are tonedeaf when it comes to economic situations. Not putting anyone deliberately at fault, I just think if this is the audience you want at your shows to give a series of shows, you cut out people out of a certain bracket. But if the goal is just to sell your VIP seating and maxing your profit for the night, knock yourself out. Hopefully they can deliver at that price.

These shows are being done during one of the biggest weeks in the muziq industry!!!The mega VMA Awards week!! The per4mance doesn't just feature Shelby & Liv. It will be the whole NPG revamped band! With the swagged out NPG HORNZ!!!! Plus SPECIAL GUEST!! Anybody in the industry would love 2 c the band that backs SUPERSTAR PRINCE up!!! So it will b the event to attend that week. Plus his ROYAL BADNESS will make a surprise appearance. Who would want 2 miss that!!!

I'm sad because I thought I'd be able to go and Im not...

CherrieMoonKisses said:

My heart is beating so....because of the delightful possibilities!!! I'm still trying to get it to do what it do to attend Sunday 8/25 show(s) and hoping some tickets will come available. Still working on getting away to get my fix Prince on which I really really need...hoping I can also attend the Monday Film Screening of Prince & 3rdeyegirl Live and FREE Montreux Jazz Festival Screening. Wishing everyone who wants to atend to attend...ummm the wonderful possibilities!!!

KCOOLMUZIQ said: