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Thread started 06/21/04 1:26am

Heiress

Proverb on the Taking of Offense...

Here's a verse that some of you may find interesting:

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

What do you think this means?
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Reply #1 posted 06/21/04 1:53am

Hyungbu

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It takes real wisdom not to be offended.

Self-esteem and pride make a big ego. Big egos
can easily be hurt.

That's why, in my opinion, wisdom is also a
certain sense of humor.
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Reply #2 posted 06/21/04 2:32am

Heiress

Hyungbu said:

It takes real wisdom not to be offended.

Self-esteem and pride make a big ego. Big egos
can easily be hurt.

That's why, in my opinion, wisdom is also a
certain sense of humor.


Hello, my friend. You are correct, as always.


Here's another Buddist thought on the same line as the Proverb above:

Speak harshly to no one,
or the words will be thrown
right back at you.
Contentious talk is painful,
for you get struck by rods in return.

-Dhammapada, 10, translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu.
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Reply #3 posted 06/21/04 5:53am

fantasyislande
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yeah, and Proverbs 16:18 says "Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling."

i always liked that one.
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Reply #4 posted 06/21/04 6:27am

JediMaster

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This verse is sooooo important, because so many Christians go around looking for things to be offended by. No point in geting mad at someone for expressing something that is contrary or insulting, because all you do is give the other person power.

I think I'm gonna put this verse in my signature. More people need to read that!!!
jedi

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #5 posted 06/21/04 6:30am

FamousBluRainc
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fantasyislander said:

yeah, and Proverbs 16:18 says "Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit before stumbling."

i always liked that one.


right... "pride goeth before a fall."
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Reply #6 posted 06/21/04 6:30am

FamousBluRainc
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JediMaster said:


I think I'm gonna put this verse in my signature. More people need to read that!!!


heh heh... it's especially applicable at the org, somehow!
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Reply #7 posted 06/21/04 6:37am

Heiress

Here's another:

Proverbs 18:12-13:

12 Before a crash the heart of a man is lofty, and before glory there is humility.

13 When anyone is replying to a matter before he hears [it], that is foolishness on his part and a humiliation.
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Reply #8 posted 06/21/04 8:23am

Heiress

here's one from "daily hindu wisdom." my, so many thoughts in this vein!

Penance is that goodness which refrains from killing.
Perfection is that goodness which refuses to tell others' faults.

Humility is the strength of the strong and the weapon
With which the wise conquer their foes.

-Tirukkural 99:984-985
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Reply #9 posted 06/22/04 12:27am

Hyungbu

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I think that there is genuine wisdom contained in the Proverbs
or in Hindu or Buddhist scriptures.

But when we read those scriptures, we need to take this
wisdom for ourselves.

It is tempting to tell others: see! Don't be offended! Only
stupid people get offended!

But shouldn't we rember first that we are the stupid ones?

Isn't it our responsibility not to be offended an not
to offend others?

Just a thought...


Peace
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Reply #10 posted 06/22/04 1:39am

Heiress

Hyungbu said:

I think that there is genuine wisdom contained in the Proverbs
or in Hindu or Buddhist scriptures.

But when we read those scriptures, we need to take this
wisdom for ourselves.

It is tempting to tell others: see! Don't be offended! Only
stupid people get offended!

But shouldn't we rember first that we are the stupid ones?

Isn't it our responsibility not to be offended an not
to offend others?

Just a thought...


Peace


You are exactly right. Unfortunately, this is a big tendency on the part of human beings in general! But we have many scriptural principles to remind us to look after our own spirituality first, before trying to help another (the best way to help another is by example anyway)...

One illustration that comes to mind is when Jesus said that before trying to remove the straw from your brother's eye, extract the rafter from your own. Now is that not a powerful metaphor?
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Reply #11 posted 06/22/04 1:40am

Heiress

oh, by "this is a big tendency" i meant "the tendency to blame others for our own problems," which would include offense. smile
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Reply #12 posted 06/22/04 2:09am

Hyungbu

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Heiress said:

One illustration that comes to mind is when Jesus said that before trying to remove the straw from your brother's eye, extract the rafter from your own. Now is that not a powerful metaphor?


Wonderful!

A friend of mine was spending a nice evenig with his friends.
At one point during the discussion he said -- perhaps a bit
pretentiously:

- A Buddhist saying advises to "extract the rafter from your own eye,
before trying to remove the straw from your brother's eye"...

- Errr... that's from the Bible, dude! Somebody replied.

eek

lol
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Reply #13 posted 06/22/04 2:50am

bernie10

Heiress said:

Here's a verse that some of you may find interesting:

Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)

What do you think this means?



Makes sense to me.
Everybody's free to feel good...so, be glad that you are free.
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Reply #14 posted 06/24/04 5:52am

Heiress

Hyungbu said:

Heiress said:

One illustration that comes to mind is when Jesus said that before trying to remove the straw from your brother's eye, extract the rafter from your own. Now is that not a powerful metaphor?


Wonderful!

A friend of mine was spending a nice evenig with his friends.
At one point during the discussion he said -- perhaps a bit
pretentiously:

- A Buddhist saying advises to "extract the rafter from your own eye,
before trying to remove the straw from your brother's eye"...

- Errr... that's from the Bible, dude! Somebody replied.

eek

lol


he was just trying to illustrate the scripture's meaning.

"yeah, i meant to say that, right... you see..." lol
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