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Thread started 02/20/19 7:52am

nd33

42% of Americans identify as independents, 29% as Democrats, 27% as Republicans

The trend points that it will continue to rise. This is laying the foundation for the death of the two party monopoly that has been going on too long. Fingers crossed for sooner rather than later. Get it to 100%, America!

https://news.gallup.com/p...-2017.aspx
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Reply #1 posted 02/20/19 8:12am

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Many self-proclaimed "centrists" favored Trump in '15 only for the reason he didn't belong in a party back then. Most of these independents are the people who would get Howard Schultz elected probably thinking it's better to let a business man run this country like a business. Look what that got us...

I don't think it's necessarily a bad trend, but the consequences could be that much unpredicted. Just saying.

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Reply #2 posted 02/21/19 3:29am

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How many Americans were actually polled though? I always find these kinds of studies to be highly inaccurate.
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Reply #3 posted 02/21/19 7:37am

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I've been a registered independent for 15 years, and I hope more people start putting their money where their mouth is and doing the same. The two major parties have gotten away with murder for so long because they're the only game in town and they know it.
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Reply #4 posted 02/21/19 7:41am

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Reply #5 posted 02/21/19 8:07am

poppys

A registered Independent cannot vote in the primaries in the majority of states. Been there, done that. Have no desire to shoot the US in the foot in this incredibly important coming election. As jjhunsecker might say, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

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What are the states where independents can vote in the primaries?

Answered May 15, 2016

Many states have “open primaries” where people are allowed to vote in the primary without having to declare party affiliation in advance. As such, independents living in open primary states can vote in primaries. However, like all voters in those states, independents can only vote in one of those primaries because both parties’ primaries are usually on the same day.


The following states have open primary elections:

AL, AR, GA, IL, IN, MA (for “unaffiliated” voters only), MS, MO, NH, NC (for “unaffiliated” voters only), ND, OH, OK (Dem. only), SC, TN, TX, VT, VA, WI.

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Reply #6 posted 02/21/19 8:27am

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I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #7 posted 02/21/19 8:42am

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2freaky4church1 said:

I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.


Whatever the fuck they are, they need to register a party and VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. Don't throw your vote away because you want another system. People can vote for whoever they want to in the general, although I personally think that GETTING OUT TRUMP is the only focus this time around.

Same thing as the last election when your hero Noam Chomsky said "hold your nose and vote for Hillary".

hartmann report

... 'the most compelling point Chomsky makes is that voting shouldn’t be seen as a moral act, but as a strategic necessity aimed at preventing the worst possible outcome.

“Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites,” he writes.'

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Reply #8 posted 02/21/19 11:30am

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poppys said:



2freaky4church1 said:


I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.




Whatever the fuck they are, they need to register a party and VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. Don't throw your vote away because you want another system. People can vote for whoever they want to in the general, although I personally think that GETTING OUT TRUMP is the only focus this time around.

Same thing as the last election when your hero Noam Chomsky said "hold your nose and vote for Hillary".

hartmann report


... 'the most compelling point Chomsky makes is that voting shouldn’t be seen as a moral act, but as a strategic necessity aimed at preventing the worst possible outcome.



“Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites,” he writes.'



Maybe folks should start lobbying states to change their primary laws. Local elections are more important than presidential primaries anyway, and the primaries themselves are pointless when the party heads can just step in and pick whoever they want, voters be damned like the DNC did in 2016.
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Reply #9 posted 02/21/19 11:36am

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2freaky4church1 said:

I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.



Maybe it's because there's a dizzying about of buttfuckery going on with the DNC and refusing to register as a Democrat is a way of saying "This party and it's core values do not speak for me."
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Reply #10 posted 02/21/19 11:56am

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Have any guitar vids? You have to earn that slinger shit.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 02/21/19 12:34pm

poppys

guitarslinger44 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.


Maybe it's because there's a dizzying about of buttfuckery going on with the DNC and refusing to register as a Democrat is a way of saying "This party and it's core values do not speak for me.


Then register as a Repub. Either way, as an Independent - you are not voting until the fat lady is about to sing. Pay attention.

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Reply #12 posted 02/21/19 3:08pm

nd33

poppys said:



guitarslinger44 said:


2freaky4church1 said:

I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.




Maybe it's because there's a dizzying about of buttfuckery going on with the DNC and refusing to register as a Democrat is a way of saying "This party and it's core values do not speak for me.



Then register as a Repub. Either way, as an Independent - you are not voting until the fat lady is about to sing. Pay attention.



Unless you’re in one of the 19 states where independents can vote in the primary? Time for the others to change!
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Reply #13 posted 02/21/19 3:09pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

poppys said:



2freaky4church1 said:


I don't buy any of it. They use the I word because it seems reasonable. I'm not partisan and shit. But you poll these fucks and they all seem pretty damned progressive.




Whatever the fuck they are, they need to register a party and VOTE IN THE PRIMARY. Don't throw your vote away because you want another system. People can vote for whoever they want to in the general, although I personally think that GETTING OUT TRUMP is the only focus this time around.

Same thing as the last election when your hero Noam Chomsky said "hold your nose and vote for Hillary".

hartmann report


... 'the most compelling point Chomsky makes is that voting shouldn’t be seen as a moral act, but as a strategic necessity aimed at preventing the worst possible outcome.



“Voting should not be viewed as a form of personal self-expression or moral judgement directed in retaliation towards major party candidates who fail to reflect our values, or of a corrupt system designed to limit choices to those acceptable to corporate elites,” he writes.'



Maybe folks should start lobbying states to change their primary laws. Local elections are more important than presidential primaries anyway, and the primaries themselves are pointless when the party heads can just step in and pick whoever they want, voters be damned like the DNC did in 2016.
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Reply #14 posted 02/21/19 3:42pm

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:

2freaky4church1 said:
Maybe it's because there's a dizzying about of buttfuckery going on with the DNC and refusing to register as a Democrat is a way of saying "This party and it's core values do not speak for me.


Then register as a Repub. Either way, as an Independent - you are not voting until the fat lady is about to sing. Pay attention.


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Reply #15 posted 02/21/19 4:55pm

poppys

nd33 said:

guitarslinger44 said:
Maybe folks should start lobbying states to change their primary laws. Local elections are more important than presidential primaries anyway, and the primaries themselves are pointless when the party heads can just step in and pick whoever they want, voters be damned like the DNC did in 2016.

thumbs up!


We'll be sure and get that done by next year before the election, K? lol

Pie in the sky, get practical. For the hundredth time, our job is to vote Trump (and his party) out. That is going to be hard enough.

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Reply #16 posted 02/21/19 5:21pm

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:

2freaky4church1 said:
Maybe it's because there's a dizzying about of buttfuckery going on with the DNC and refusing to register as a Democrat is a way of saying "This party and it's core values do not speak for me.


Then register as a Repub. Either way, as an Independent - you are not voting until the fat lady is about to sing. Pay attention.


Or maybe get off your high horse and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you in regards to towing the line where groupthink is concerned. We've already established that primaries don't matter as much as you think they do because the candidates of choice are beholden to the heads of the party. Maybe YOU should pay attention. lol

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Reply #17 posted 02/21/19 5:24pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

poppys said:


Then register as a Repub. Either way, as an Independent - you are not voting until the fat lady is about to sing. Pay attention.


Or maybe get off your high horse and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you in regards to towing the line where groupthink is concerned. We've already established that primaries don't matter as much as you think they do because the candidates of choice are beholden to the heads of the party. Maybe YOU should pay attention. lol


Your choice to not actually participate until the candidates are chosen. A 3rd party is a vote for Trump in 2020, just like it was in 2016.

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Reply #18 posted 02/21/19 5:28pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Have any guitar vids? You have to earn that slinger shit.


There have to be some out there and if you come across one, I've definitely earned the name, although with that said, I came up with it before i actually had the chops to earn it so I think it started out as a bit of wishful thinking. lol

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:


Or maybe get off your high horse and accept the fact that not everyone agrees with you in regards to towing the line where groupthink is concerned. We've already established that primaries don't matter as much as you think they do because the candidates of choice are beholden to the heads of the party. Maybe YOU should pay attention. lol


Your choice to not actually participate until the candidates are chosen. A 3rd party is a vote for Trump in 2020, just like it was in 2016.


ORRRRR....maybe the DNC could have gone with the choice the voters made (Sanders) instead of bogarding the decision like the corrupt little shills they are and Trump would have lost like every poll in existed predicted. But hey, it's a lot easier to tell yourself that thinking outside the box is too hard and shouldn't be done, right?

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guitarslinger44 said:

poppys said:


Your choice to not actually participate until the candidates are chosen. A 3rd party is a vote for Trump in 2020, just like it was in 2016.


ORRRRR....maybe the DNC could have gone with the choice the voters made (Sanders) instead of bogarding the decision like the corrupt little shills they are and Trump would have lost like every poll in existed predicted. But hey, it's a lot easier to tell yourself that thinking outside the box is too hard and shouldn't be done, right?


Now you are parsing the last election - again. I am aware of what you are saying. I would vote for a 3rd party candidate IF THEY CAN WIN. But I'm not sitting out primaries to do it.

I was a registered independant when I first started out, until I found out I couldn't vote in the primaries. I'm not saying this again, I've said it a bunch of times already. bored

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Reply #21 posted 02/21/19 5:50pm

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:


ORRRRR....maybe the DNC could have gone with the choice the voters made (Sanders) instead of bogarding the decision like the corrupt little shills they are and Trump would have lost like every poll in existed predicted. But hey, it's a lot easier to tell yourself that thinking outside the box is too hard and shouldn't be done, right?


Now you are parsing the last election - again. I am aware of what you are saying. I would vote for a 3rd party candidate IF THEY CAN WIN. But I'm not sitting out primaries to do it.

I was a registered independant when I first started out, until I found out I couldn't vote in the primaries. I'm not saying this again, I've said it a bunch of times already. bored


So you are aware of what I'm saying but continue to remain willfully ignorant about what effect the voters actually have on the primaries. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if every voter who ever said "Yeah, I'd vote for that third party candidate if I thought they could win" actually did, they WOULD have a chance.

As it stands, we're only a bit better than North Korea having only two main candidates.

But again, I fail to see why you place so much importance on the primaries when it's already been proven that the party heads can go in and invalidate everyone's choice if they want to.

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Reply #22 posted 02/21/19 5:56pm

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guitarslinger44 said:

poppys said:


Now you are parsing the last election - again. I am aware of what you are saying. I would vote for a 3rd party candidate IF THEY CAN WIN. But I'm not sitting out primaries to do it.

I was a registered independant when I first started out, until I found out I couldn't vote in the primaries. I'm not saying this again, I've said it a bunch of times already. bored


So you are aware of what I'm saying but continue to remain willfully ignorant about what effect the voters actually have on the primaries. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if every voter who ever said "Yeah, I'd vote for that third party candidate if I thought they could win" actually did, they WOULD have a chance.

As it stands, we're only a bit better than North Korea having only two main candidates.

But again, I fail to see why you place so much importance on the primaries when it's already been proven that the party heads can go in and invalidate everyone's choice if they want to.


Do whatever you want, your choice. We don't agree. Please stop yelling and name calling. This is how every exchange ends with you.

Good Luck. Have a Nice Day. Ignore. comfort

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Reply #23 posted 02/21/19 6:10pm

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poppys said:

guitarslinger44 said:


So you are aware of what I'm saying but continue to remain willfully ignorant about what effect the voters actually have on the primaries. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if every voter who ever said "Yeah, I'd vote for that third party candidate if I thought they could win" actually did, they WOULD have a chance.

As it stands, we're only a bit better than North Korea having only two main candidates.

But again, I fail to see why you place so much importance on the primaries when it's already been proven that the party heads can go in and invalidate everyone's choice if they want to.


Do whatever you want, your choice. We don't agree. Please stop yelling and name calling. This is how every exchange ends with you.

Good Luck. Have a Nice Day. Ignore. comfort


Yes we do disagree and you continue to be passive aggressive because of that rather than accepting it for what it is and moving it along. This is a forum, it's not that serious. lol

I see what you're doing though and it's laughable to me that you think I'm calling you names (I challenge you to find an instance of me doing so) or "yelling" (how you came to that conclusion I'll never know.) Just because you think it's so doesn't mean that it is. shrug

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