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Reply #30 posted 01/22/19 9:28am

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2freaky4church1 said:

What Sexxtan said.




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Awesome!

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Reply #31 posted 01/22/19 10:35am

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Her name is not Kampala. Typo in the title is just sloppy. Like the poster who recently called Prince, Price. There is an edit feature.


Such a shame. I'm sure folks in Uganda would have loved her. wink
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Reply #32 posted 01/22/19 11:00am

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She won't win. She's a woman. America won't elect a female president. Consider that the last woman who ran for President did so against Donald Trump, the worst possible candidate there was, and she still lost to him. Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP. If you can't beat him, then that says a lot.



You couldn't have convinced me a black man would win over a white woman in this country. Nope, never would happen. And sure the heck that Trump over anybody. But uh, here we are, so I'm willing to place my bets at this point. I have no idea what this country will do next, which is scary and hopeful at the same time.

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Reply #33 posted 01/22/19 4:50pm

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RodeoSchro said:

EmmaMcG said:

She won't win. She's a woman. America won't elect a female president. Consider that the last woman who ran for President did so against Donald Trump, the worst possible candidate there was, and she still lost to him. Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP. If you can't beat him, then that says a lot.




NO.

Clinton got nearly 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. She beat him in the total vote count.

She lost because fat, ugly, smelly, loser couch potatoes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were too #%$^^%*%^& lazy to get their hemmorhoid-ridden, flea-bitten, cellulite-covered flabby asses off the couch and vote. Allegedly these TOTAL LOSERS had their poor little baby feelings hurt because Clinton didn't kiss their fecal-stained rumps enough (or at all). So they REALLY SHOWED HER AND DIDN'T VOTE.

I don't want to hear this "America will never elect a woman" BS. It's WRONG.

I think you´re being way too harsh to undecided and politically frustrated voters who simply chose to say no to both Trump AND Hillary Clinton but that´s just my opinion. I understand that those who did not vote could have prevented President Trump but hey, what if they really, really disliked Hillary and what she stands for?

It also didn´t help that she openly told steel and coal miners that she would close their workplaces for good. Trump on the other hand promised a revival of the steel and coal industry.

I see her as just another side of the coin, really.

As far as Kamala Haris is concerned, I doubt that America is ready for another black president yet, let alone a woman. But then again, you are right, too. The number of Hillary voters is proof that America is generally ready for a female president.

But Emma does have a point, too...I mean who would´ve thought that sane people would prefer someone like Donald Trump, of all people, over an experienced politician like Hillary? And yet it happened. lol

It boggles the mind.

Maybe he´ll be the new Reagan? wink

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Reply #34 posted 01/22/19 4:56pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

No more black yupppies. Bernie is the one. He can and will win.

Not even in your wildest dreams. Not in America. We´re talking about a country where a millions of people believe that Obama is a socialist, communist Muslim and the Antichrist, all in one person when actually he was, as you rightly said, a black yuppie. Someone like Sanders has zero chances to ever become president. There are many people who honestly believe that Jimmy Carter was the worst president of all time and you think Sanders could become president?

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Reply #35 posted 01/22/19 5:19pm

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KoolEaze said:



2freaky4church1 said:


No more black yupppies. Bernie is the one. He can and will win.



Not even in your wildest dreams. Not in America. We´re talking about a country where a millions of people believe that Obama is a socialist, communist Muslim and the Antichrist, all in one person when actually he was, as you rightly said, a black yuppie. Someone like Sanders has zero chances to ever become president. There are many people who honestly believe that Jimmy Carter was the worst president of all time and you think Sanders could become president?





i have to bow my head sadly and agree, I mean...Trump. C’mon, there is a minority in the Midwest and south that the electoral college allows the crazies to wield the power to get these type of morons in.
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Reply #36 posted 01/23/19 3:20am

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Bernie is pretty popular last time I checked, Trump won the election with less votes than the previous two losers so if the right people turn out to vote Bernie could win.

Anyway,

https://theintercept.com/...es-matter/

Seems a fair case against her.

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Reply #37 posted 01/23/19 7:34am

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KoolEaze said:

RodeoSchro said:




NO.

Clinton got nearly 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. She beat him in the total vote count.

She lost because fat, ugly, smelly, loser couch potatoes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were too #%$^^%*%^& lazy to get their hemmorhoid-ridden, flea-bitten, cellulite-covered flabby asses off the couch and vote. Allegedly these TOTAL LOSERS had their poor little baby feelings hurt because Clinton didn't kiss their fecal-stained rumps enough (or at all). So they REALLY SHOWED HER AND DIDN'T VOTE.

I don't want to hear this "America will never elect a woman" BS. It's WRONG.

I think you´re being way too harsh to undecided and politically frustrated voters who simply chose to say no to both Trump AND Hillary Clinton but that´s just my opinion. I understand that those who did not vote could have prevented President Trump but hey, what if they really, really disliked Hillary and what she stands for?

It also didn´t help that she openly told steel and coal miners that she would close their workplaces for good. Trump on the other hand promised a revival of the steel and coal industry.

I see her as just another side of the coin, really.

As far as Kamala Haris is concerned, I doubt that America is ready for another black president yet, let alone a woman. But then again, you are right, too. The number of Hillary voters is proof that America is generally ready for a female president.

But Emma does have a point, too...I mean who would´ve thought that sane people would prefer someone like Donald Trump, of all people, over an experienced politician like Hillary? And yet it happened. lol

It boggles the mind.

Maybe he´ll be the new Reagan? wink



If Ronald Reagan was alive today, he'd punch Trump right in the nose.

I want to put up billboards in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have a big picture of Trump, with the words "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" and "YOU'D BETTER VOTE IN 2020" on it.

There is no reason - NONE - that justifies not voting when you know that not voting is actually a vote for Donald Trump. I don't care who the opponent was. If you live in Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania and could have voted but didn't, you are responsible for President Donald J. Trump.

100%.

On the other note, you mentioned "what if people really disliked Hillary"? I think that's bogus. There are three Republicans here who've openly said they hate Hillary Clinton but when asked why they actually hate her, they cannot articulate a single reason why.

If these right-wingers can't justify their "hatred" for Clinton, I find it hard to believe that actual Democrats disliked her so much they wouldn't vote for her - even if they knew that helped Donald Trump.

No, I believe these fat, disgusting, putrid, odorous, snot-encrusted, nose-hair-eating, cold-sore-having, dead-eyed, scab-picking losers didn't vote because: (1) they were too lazy; and/or (2) they're little sissy-babies whose "feelings" got hurt because Clinton didn't pay them enough attention.

Screw them, this is all their fault.

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Reply #38 posted 01/23/19 9:02am

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RodeoSchro said:

KoolEaze said:

I think you´re being way too harsh to undecided and politically frustrated voters who simply chose to say no to both Trump AND Hillary Clinton but that´s just my opinion. I understand that those who did not vote could have prevented President Trump but hey, what if they really, really disliked Hillary and what she stands for?

It also didn´t help that she openly told steel and coal miners that she would close their workplaces for good. Trump on the other hand promised a revival of the steel and coal industry.

I see her as just another side of the coin, really.

As far as Kamala Haris is concerned, I doubt that America is ready for another black president yet, let alone a woman. But then again, you are right, too. The number of Hillary voters is proof that America is generally ready for a female president.

But Emma does have a point, too...I mean who would´ve thought that sane people would prefer someone like Donald Trump, of all people, over an experienced politician like Hillary? And yet it happened. lol

It boggles the mind.

Maybe he´ll be the new Reagan? wink



If Ronald Reagan was alive today, he'd punch Trump right in the nose.

I want to put up billboards in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have a big picture of Trump, with the words "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" and "YOU'D BETTER VOTE IN 2020" on it.

There is no reason - NONE - that justifies not voting when you know that not voting is actually a vote for Donald Trump. I don't care who the opponent was. If you live in Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania and could have voted but didn't, you are responsible for President Donald J. Trump.

100%.

On the other note, you mentioned "what if people really disliked Hillary"? I think that's bogus. There are three Republicans here who've openly said they hate Hillary Clinton but when asked why they actually hate her, they cannot articulate a single reason why.

If these right-wingers can't justify their "hatred" for Clinton, I find it hard to believe that actual Democrats disliked her so much they wouldn't vote for her - even if they knew that helped Donald Trump.

No, I believe these fat, disgusting, putrid, odorous, snot-encrusted, nose-hair-eating, cold-sore-having, dead-eyed, scab-picking losers didn't vote because: (1) they were too lazy; and/or (2) they're little sissy-babies whose "feelings" got hurt because Clinton didn't pay them enough attention.

Screw them, this is all their fault.

thumbs up! spot on.

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Reply #39 posted 01/23/19 11:15am

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EmmaMcG said:

She won't win. She's a woman. America won't elect a female president. Consider that the last woman who ran for President did so against Donald Trump, the worst possible candidate there was, and she still lost to him. Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP. If you can't beat him, then that says a lot.


That was once said about electing a black president. The day will come when there will be a woman

president. The amount of women elected to the House in Nov 2018 was unprecedented. It may not happen in 2020 but it is going to happen. You just never know. wink



pray it happens sooner than later







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Reply #40 posted 01/23/19 4:06pm

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RodeoSchro said:



KoolEaze said:




RodeoSchro said:






NO.

Clinton got nearly 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. She beat him in the total vote count.

She lost because fat, ugly, smelly, loser couch potatoes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were too #%$^^%*%^& lazy to get their hemmorhoid-ridden, flea-bitten, cellulite-covered flabby asses off the couch and vote. Allegedly these TOTAL LOSERS had their poor little baby feelings hurt because Clinton didn't kiss their fecal-stained rumps enough (or at all). So they REALLY SHOWED HER AND DIDN'T VOTE.

I don't want to hear this "America will never elect a woman" BS. It's WRONG.



I think you´re being way too harsh to undecided and politically frustrated voters who simply chose to say no to both Trump AND Hillary Clinton but that´s just my opinion. I understand that those who did not vote could have prevented President Trump but hey, what if they really, really disliked Hillary and what she stands for?


It also didn´t help that she openly told steel and coal miners that she would close their workplaces for good. Trump on the other hand promised a revival of the steel and coal industry.


I see her as just another side of the coin, really.


As far as Kamala Haris is concerned, I doubt that America is ready for another black president yet, let alone a woman. But then again, you are right, too. The number of Hillary voters is proof that America is generally ready for a female president.


But Emma does have a point, too...I mean who would´ve thought that sane people would prefer someone like Donald Trump, of all people, over an experienced politician like Hillary? And yet it happened. lol


It boggles the mind.


Maybe he´ll be the new Reagan? wink





If Ronald Reagan was alive today, he'd punch Trump right in the nose.

I want to put up billboards in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have a big picture of Trump, with the words "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" and "YOU'D BETTER VOTE IN 2020" on it.

There is no reason - NONE - that justifies not voting when you know that not voting is actually a vote for Donald Trump. I don't care who the opponent was. If you live in Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania and could have voted but didn't, you are responsible for President Donald J. Trump.

100%.

On the other note, you mentioned "what if people really disliked Hillary"? I think that's bogus. There are three Republicans here who've openly said they hate Hillary Clinton but when asked why they actually hate her, they cannot articulate a single reason why.

If these right-wingers can't justify their "hatred" for Clinton, I find it hard to believe that actual Democrats disliked her so much they wouldn't vote for her - even if they knew that helped Donald Trump.

No, I believe these fat, disgusting, putrid, odorous, snot-encrusted, nose-hair-eating, cold-sore-having, dead-eyed, scab-picking losers didn't vote because: (1) they were too lazy; and/or (2) they're little sissy-babies whose "feelings" got hurt because Clinton didn't pay them enough attention.

Screw them, this is all their fault.



People don’t like Hillary because she comes across as disingenuous. Fake, manipulative personality and a genuine insider of the corrupt political system. Her true colours come out when she says things like “we came, we saw, he died” with a huge smile on her face.
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Reply #41 posted 01/23/19 5:09pm

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nd33 said:


People don’t like Hillary because she comes across as disingenuous. Fake, manipulative personality and a genuine insider of the corrupt political system. Her true colours come out when she says things like “we came, we saw, he died” with a huge smile on her face.

Over the years, I have given many reasons why I can not stand her... I have been falsely accused of saying i "hate" her... But I really do not think I did... but yeah I have given many many reasons to not like her.

like when she laughed while talking about a child being raped...

when she attacked a woman who accused her rapist husband of sexual misconduct.

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
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Reply #42 posted 01/24/19 12:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

nd33 said:


People don’t like Hillary because she comes across as disingenuous. Fake, manipulative personality and a genuine insider of the corrupt political system. Her true colours come out when she says things like “we came, we saw, he died” with a huge smile on her face.

Over the years, I have given many reasons why I can not stand her... I have been falsely accused of saying i "hate" her... But I really do not think I did... but yeah I have given many many reasons to not like her.

like when she laughed while talking about a child being raped...

when she attacked a woman who accused her rapist husband of sexual misconduct.

ironical, coming from a notorious rapist like yourself

Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
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Reply #43 posted 01/24/19 5:15pm

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nd33 said:

RodeoSchro said:



If Ronald Reagan was alive today, he'd punch Trump right in the nose.

I want to put up billboards in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have a big picture of Trump, with the words "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" and "YOU'D BETTER VOTE IN 2020" on it.

There is no reason - NONE - that justifies not voting when you know that not voting is actually a vote for Donald Trump. I don't care who the opponent was. If you live in Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania and could have voted but didn't, you are responsible for President Donald J. Trump.

100%.

On the other note, you mentioned "what if people really disliked Hillary"? I think that's bogus. There are three Republicans here who've openly said they hate Hillary Clinton but when asked why they actually hate her, they cannot articulate a single reason why.

If these right-wingers can't justify their "hatred" for Clinton, I find it hard to believe that actual Democrats disliked her so much they wouldn't vote for her - even if they knew that helped Donald Trump.

No, I believe these fat, disgusting, putrid, odorous, snot-encrusted, nose-hair-eating, cold-sore-having, dead-eyed, scab-picking losers didn't vote because: (1) they were too lazy; and/or (2) they're little sissy-babies whose "feelings" got hurt because Clinton didn't pay them enough attention.

Screw them, this is all their fault.

People don’t like Hillary because she comes across as disingenuous. Fake, manipulative personality and a genuine insider of the corrupt political system. Her true colours come out when she says things like “we came, we saw, he died” with a huge smile on her face.



BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.

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Reply #44 posted 01/24/19 6:22pm

nd33

RodeoSchro said:



nd33 said:


RodeoSchro said:




If Ronald Reagan was alive today, he'd punch Trump right in the nose.

I want to put up billboards in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan that have a big picture of Trump, with the words "THIS IS YOUR FAULT" and "YOU'D BETTER VOTE IN 2020" on it.

There is no reason - NONE - that justifies not voting when you know that not voting is actually a vote for Donald Trump. I don't care who the opponent was. If you live in Wisconsin, Michigan or Pennsylvania and could have voted but didn't, you are responsible for President Donald J. Trump.

100%.

On the other note, you mentioned "what if people really disliked Hillary"? I think that's bogus. There are three Republicans here who've openly said they hate Hillary Clinton but when asked why they actually hate her, they cannot articulate a single reason why.

If these right-wingers can't justify their "hatred" for Clinton, I find it hard to believe that actual Democrats disliked her so much they wouldn't vote for her - even if they knew that helped Donald Trump.

No, I believe these fat, disgusting, putrid, odorous, snot-encrusted, nose-hair-eating, cold-sore-having, dead-eyed, scab-picking losers didn't vote because: (1) they were too lazy; and/or (2) they're little sissy-babies whose "feelings" got hurt because Clinton didn't pay them enough attention.

Screw them, this is all their fault.



People don’t like Hillary because she comes across as disingenuous. Fake, manipulative personality and a genuine insider of the corrupt political system. Her true colours come out when she says things like “we came, we saw, he died” with a huge smile on her face.



BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.



Some people refuse to be bullied or pressured into voting for someone they don’t believe in. Those people abstained or voted third party. Good for them. Stick to your own truth!
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Reply #45 posted 01/24/19 6:28pm

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RodeoSchro said:



BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.


Some people refuse to be bullied or pressured into voting for someone they don’t believe in. Those people abstained or voted third party. Good for them. Stick to your own truth!


Disagree. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Strategic voting in numbers is key.

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Reply #46 posted 01/24/19 6:30pm

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RodeoSchro said:



BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.

#truth

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Reply #47 posted 01/24/19 6:54pm

nd33

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nd33 said:


RodeoSchro said:




BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.




Some people refuse to be bullied or pressured into voting for someone they don’t believe in. Those people abstained or voted third party. Good for them. Stick to your own truth!



Disagree. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Strategic voting in numbers is key.



You can’t control people, certainly not the millions required to win an election. Live your truth.

The great news is that people are waking up to the two party monopoly and not happy about the stat quo:

“Millions of voters are not just choosing to self-identify as independent of the two major parties, they are dumping their party registrations in droves.

In about half the states that register voters by party, independent voters outnumber at least one of the two major political parties. But here are 9 states where independents not only outnumber registered Republicans AND Democrats, they are also having a significant impact on political developments within the state.”

https://ivn.us/2018/08/08...l-parties/
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Reply #48 posted 01/24/19 11:36pm

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RodeoSchro said:



EmmaMcG said:


She won't win. She's a woman. America won't elect a female president. Consider that the last woman who ran for President did so against Donald Trump, the worst possible candidate there was, and she still lost to him. Donald Trump. DONALD TRUMP. If you can't beat him, then that says a lot.




NO.

Clinton got nearly 3,000,000 more votes than Donald Trump. She beat him in the total vote count.

She lost because fat, ugly, smelly, loser couch potatoes in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania were too #%$^^%*%^& lazy to get their hemmorhoid-ridden, flea-bitten, cellulite-covered flabby asses off the couch and vote. Allegedly these TOTAL LOSERS had their poor little baby feelings hurt because Clinton didn't kiss their fecal-stained rumps enough (or at all). So they REALLY SHOWED HER AND DIDN'T VOTE.

I don't want to hear this "America will never elect a woman" BS. It's WRONG.


I wouldn't say it will never happen. It's just not going to happen next time. The Dems made a major mistake putting their girl on the ballot last time and it's going to take awhile for them to live that down. Plain and simple we need better choices in the voting booth. I did vote because that's what I do but voting in the last presidential election was one of the more unpleasant and difficult things I've done.
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Reply #49 posted 01/25/19 5:27am

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Oprah will run and win.

What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #50 posted 01/25/19 6:03am

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nd33 said:

RodeoSchro said:



BFD.

When you know your choice is Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, and you don't vote because you don't like Hillary, then you're responsible for Donald Trump's election.

100% truth.

Some people refuse to be bullied or pressured into voting for someone they don’t believe in. Those people abstained or voted third party. Good for them. Stick to your own truth!



Maybe in other electoral systems but in America's system, that "sticking to your own truth" gave us Donald Trump.

On Election Day 2016, every single person in America knew there was no possible way for Jill Stein or any other third-party candidate to win. So if you lived in a presidentally-competitive state, and you still voted for a third-party candidate, you have no excuse. You wasted your vote which, as it turns out, was what Donald Trump needed to win Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

Whether our system is stupid or not was moot on Election Day 2016. It was the system in place and the hard reality is that those in competitive states who "stuck to their own truth" are 100% responsible for the presidency of Donald J. Trump.

Just like the Florida Nader voters were responsible for giving us President George W. Bush in 2000.

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Reply #51 posted 01/25/19 7:24am

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poppys said:


Disagree. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Strategic voting in numbers is key.


You can’t control people, certainly not the millions required to win an election. Live your truth. The great news is that people are waking up to the two party monopoly and not happy about the stat quo: “Millions of voters are not just choosing to self-identify as independent of the two major parties, they are dumping their party registrations in droves. In about half the states that register voters by party, independent voters outnumber at least one of the two major political parties. But here are 9 states where independents not only outnumber registered Republicans AND Democrats, they are also having a significant impact on political developments within the state.” https://ivn.us/2018/08/08...l-parties/


We have been here before nd33. Part of it is because you live in a nation of 4.75 million people compared to a nation of 326.77 million people. It just doesn't always translate. There are many states here that bar you from voting in primaries if you register as an independent. You are left out of everything except the final vote. In other words, you are marginalized immediately.

When I was a young voter I thought like you and voted my "truth". Now I vote for the best candidate that can win in Presidential elections. In local elections I vote for the women and minorities who are qualified because we need more of them in our government. There is a huge imbalance of equal government representation in the US.

There are plenty of people, some right here on this forum, who posted about how much they hated Hillary Clinton because she was "just as bad" immediately after Donald Trump was elected. They have now changed their tune and are appalled at the President we have now. Something others of us saw coming miles away. Looking at the long game is very important.

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poppys said:

nd33 said:

poppys said:
You can’t control people, certainly not the millions required to win an election. Live your truth. The great news is that people are waking up to the two party monopoly and not happy about the stat quo: “Millions of voters are not just choosing to self-identify as independent of the two major parties, they are dumping their party registrations in droves. In about half the states that register voters by party, independent voters outnumber at least one of the two major political parties. But here are 9 states where independents not only outnumber registered Republicans AND Democrats, they are also having a significant impact on political developments within the state.” https://ivn.us/2018/08/08...l-parties/


We have been here before nd33. Part of it is because you live in a nation of 4.75 million people compared to a nation of 326.77 million people. It just doesn't always translate. There are many states here that bar you from voting in primaries if you register as an independent. You are left out of everything except the final vote. In other words, you are marginalized immediately.

When I was a young voter I thought like you and voted my "truth". Now I vote for the best candidate that can win in Presidential elections. In local elections I vote for the women and minorities who are qualified because we need more of them in our government. There is a huge imbalance of equal government representation in the US.

There are plenty of people, some right here on this forum, who posted about how much they hated Hillary Clinton because she was "just as bad" immediately after Donald Trump was elected. They have now changed their tune and are appalled at the President we have now. Something others of us saw coming miles away. Looking at the long game is very important.


nod preach!

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #53 posted 01/26/19 11:27am

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poppys said:

nd33 said:

poppys said:
You can’t control people, certainly not the millions required to win an election. Live your truth. The great news is that people are waking up to the two party monopoly and not happy about the stat quo: “Millions of voters are not just choosing to self-identify as independent of the two major parties, they are dumping their party registrations in droves. In about half the states that register voters by party, independent voters outnumber at least one of the two major political parties. But here are 9 states where independents not only outnumber registered Republicans AND Democrats, they are also having a significant impact on political developments within the state.” https://ivn.us/2018/08/08...l-parties/


We have been here before nd33. Part of it is because you live in a nation of 4.75 million people compared to a nation of 326.77 million people. It just doesn't always translate. There are many states here that bar you from voting in primaries if you register as an independent. You are left out of everything except the final vote. In other words, you are marginalized immediately.

When I was a young voter I thought like you and voted my "truth". Now I vote for the best candidate that can win in Presidential elections. In local elections I vote for the women and minorities who are qualified because we need more of them in our government. There is a huge imbalance of equal government representation in the US.

There are plenty of people, some right here on this forum, who posted about how much they hated Hillary Clinton because she was "just as bad" immediately after Donald Trump was elected. They have now changed their tune and are appalled at the President we have now. Something others of us saw coming miles away. Looking at the long game is very important.



Women and minorities do shitty things too. Benevolent sexism & racism on your part doesn't change that fact.


Clinton was a garbage candidate in a world where the more likeable candidate wins most of the time. She's got all the scumbag qualities of her husband without any of the likeability to temper it, and even Democrats are tired of her. The DNC letting her bogard her way into the candidacy is part of what got us Trump, she was a weak candidate and pretty much everyone knew this from the get go but they ran her anyway.

nd33 is right. If everyone who ever said, "I'd vote for a third party candidate if they had a chance" ACTUALLY DID, those candidates WOULD have a chance.

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It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.

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Reply #55 posted 01/26/19 12:29pm

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poppys said:

It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.



The third party will eventually put a man in office.
What are you outraged about today? CNN has not told you yet?
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Reply #56 posted 01/26/19 1:24pm

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It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.

voting 3rd party makes sense when either the person has a chance to win (mostly in local elections) or the person you like is way ahead or way behind...


but yeah there are several cases... if not for a 3rd party voters (either accidentally or intentionally) and those people still voted the outcome would have been different. (in 92 without Perot H W Bush would have won... without Buchanan on the ballot Gore may have won Florida)

A kid once asked me who Greenspan was and if he got any votes... i said "just enough....just enough..." he asked "to what" and I said "help the republica n win"

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
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my radical ideas for electing a president...

1) no primaries by popular vote: let the party decide... to take part in the process you have to meet some standard and apply and be accepted as a voting member (much like a caucus) This would increase participation and eliminate cross-voting.

2) each state legislator decide who its electors are awarded too. this would again increase voting in those elections.


I go by the idea that the smaller or closer to you the more important the issue or election is. If you could (as I have) run for office and only lose by about 10 votes...(which is not a big deal I had 3 write-in votes) that small local seat will likely have more impact on you that who the president is.

What if half the things ever said
Turned out 2 be a lie
How will U know the Truth?
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Reply #58 posted 01/26/19 1:51pm

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poppys said:

It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.




I like the idea of more than two options but I do not like the idea that some could win an election with 38% of the vote
"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #59 posted 01/26/19 1:53pm

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poppys said:

It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.



White people are the majority in the US so it actually is in line with demographics. Not to say no one else deserves a chance, but that's an intellectually dishonest argument if you're going to use population as your basis.

I tend to vote along party lines for candidates I don't know as much about, but it's not a great way to vote, and I think legit third parties in this country would make the reps and Dems better choices because they'd have competition that actually could challenge them.
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