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School Superintendent caught using racial slurs

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Buford City Schools Superintendent Geye Hamby has been placed on administrative leave amidst a lawsuit and recently-released audio recordings in which a man said to be the superintendent is heard spewing racist rants.

Gregory Jay, of Chandler, Britt and Jay, LLC, the law firm that represents Buford City School District, told the Daily Post via email on Wednesday that Hamby was placed on administrative leave effective Tuesday, Aug. 21.

“The Board anticipates further action on this matter at a specially called meeting in the next several days,” he said. “The District will continue to focus on the mission of empowering our students to reach their full potential.”

Hamby, who has held the position of superintendent since 2006, was recently sued by former paraprofessional educator Mary Ingram for alleged race discrimination and retaliation after she was fired “without any justification,” the lawsuit says.

Included in the lawsuit is a a web link to two audio recordings, in which a man said to be Hamby makes derogatory comments about black construction workers, referring to them by the n-word and saying that he would “kill these (expletive).”

In one of the the recordings, the person presumed to be Hamby is speaking about black temp workers at a construction site, specifically one who “got smart” with a man Hamby knows.

“He said he worked for the temp service and he didn’t have to do what the (expletive) we tell him to do,” the person alleged to be Hamby says. “(Expletive) that (n-word.) I’ll kill these (expletives) – shoot that (expletive) if they let me. Alright. Well, check out what’s going on with all the (n-words) down here. Bye.”

In the second recording, the man who is allegedly Hamby is again speaking about the construction workers, calling them “deadbeat (n-words).”

“Don’t send us a deadbeat (n-word) from a temp service,” the man is heard saying. “Well, look, we’ve got, we’ve got young kids right here that put in the work. They can do more than the (expletive) deadbeat (n-words).”

Though the lawsuit does not say where the recordings came from, when they are from or who the other people heard in the conversations are, nor does it provide any proof that the man in the recordings is, in fact, Hamby, Ingram’s lawyer, Ed Buckley, told the Daily Post on Wednesday that he had an expert review the recordings.

“We feel confident that (the audio) is authentic and we feel confident — we strongly believe — that that is Mr. Hamby,” he said. “(That’s why) we determined to embed the comments in the complaint that we filed in federal district court.”

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Reply #1 posted 09/12/18 11:38am

Purplegarden

This just seems to be symptomatic of Trumps America, all the racists coming out of the woodwork and saying what they feel. Sad and horrible.

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Reply #2 posted 09/12/18 11:45am

13cjk13

Purplegarden said:

This just seems to be symptomatic of Trumps America, all the racists coming out of the woodwork and saying what they feel. Sad and horrible.

But we're supposed to accept their opinion, it's just different than ours. Such a great right wing talking point.

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Reply #3 posted 09/12/18 11:50am

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13cjk13 said:

Purplegarden said:

This just seems to be symptomatic of Trumps America, all the racists coming out of the woodwork and saying what they feel. Sad and horrible.

But we're supposed to accept their opinion, it's just different than ours. Such a great right wing talking point.

And remember, if we complain about it, we're just a bunch of whiny, over-sensitive "snowflakes" and "SJWs"

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Reply #4 posted 09/12/18 12:27pm

Purplegarden

jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

But we're supposed to accept their opinion, it's just different than ours. Such a great right wing talking point.

And remember, if we complain about it, we're just a bunch of whiny, over-sensitive "snowflakes" and "SJWs"

And that sucks too, since when did having a sense of justice and compassion become misconstrued as being a snowflake or a SJW. Respecting fellow human beings is wrong? That mantra is the worst part of this Trumpocaust. Don't worry noy blasting you guys - just the right wing nazi fucks who try to plant this shit in our heads, selfish humanity.

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Reply #5 posted 09/12/18 12:33pm

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^^Racists just don't get that being disrespectful to other human beings because of their skin color isn't what free speech means. Racism is not an opinion, but they don't get it.

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Reply #6 posted 09/12/18 12:35pm

13cjk13

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^Racists just don't get that being disrespectful to other human beings because of their skin color isn't what free speech means. Racism is not an opinion, but they don't get it.

And they don't get that there is NO PLATFORM for their hate and can't understand why good people are trying to silence their hate. Fuck them.

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Reply #7 posted 09/12/18 12:48pm

ThatWhiteDude

13cjk13 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^Racists just don't get that being disrespectful to other human beings because of their skin color isn't what free speech means. Racism is not an opinion, but they don't get it.

And they don't get that there is NO PLATFORM for their hate and can't understand why good people are trying to silence their hate. Fuck them.

Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.

I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.

I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.

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Reply #8 posted 09/12/18 1:34pm

13cjk13

ThatWhiteDude said:

13cjk13 said:

And they don't get that there is NO PLATFORM for their hate and can't understand why good people are trying to silence their hate. Fuck them.

Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.

I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.

I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.

Yeah, sure, instead of fighting WW2, we should have talked to the Nazis.

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Reply #9 posted 09/12/18 2:10pm

jjhunsecker

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13cjk13 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.

I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.

I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.

Yeah, sure, instead of fighting WW2, we should have talked to the Nazis.

And while WE were trying to talk reason to them, THEY would blow our heads off ! Fuck that !

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Reply #10 posted 09/12/18 3:44pm

ThatWhiteDude

jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

Yeah, sure, instead of fighting WW2, we should have talked to the Nazis.

And while WE were trying to talk reason to them, THEY would blow our heads off ! Fuck that !

Yes. It won't work. If I was in charge, Nazis wouldn't be allowed to form a "demo", because we know exactly what's going on in their heads. The last nazi demo here in germany was just a few days ago in chemniz and the day before, nazis where on the streets, hunting down refugees, and they tell us to talk to them? Like, did they see the pictures from this demo? These guys won't talk, they beat you up.

It's actually not too hard to silence these nazis, but if the government lies to their favor and even helps them to get away with criminal shit like murdering turkish people, or horting guns, then I get how the situation in germany could get so bad as it is right now.

It's the same with the USA, sure, these nazis existed before, but Trump is the reason why these guys feel comfortable again, because his mind works like theirs, he's talking the same shit and he is now the president, so they feel save too. And don't forget the racist cops.....jesus christ we live in the 21st century but it sure doesn't feel like it.

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Reply #11 posted 09/12/18 3:46pm

ThatWhiteDude

13cjk13 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.

I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.

I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.

Yeah, sure, instead of fighting WW2, we should have talked to the Nazis.

I'm actually really glad that america and the others fought against 'em. And we are also lucky that they were too stupid and underestimated the winter in russia, so they got stuck and lost too many people....and the russians could fight them.

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Reply #12 posted 09/12/18 4:34pm

EmmaMcG

ThatWhiteDude said:



13cjk13 said:




ThatWhiteDude said:


^^Racists just don't get that being disrespectful to other human beings because of their skin color isn't what free speech means. Racism is not an opinion, but they don't get it.



And they don't get that there is NO PLATFORM for their hate and can't understand why good people are trying to silence their hate. Fuck them.



Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.



I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.



I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.



Maybe SOME can be educated. I've told this story before on the org but I'll tell it again. When I was in America a few years ago, I was dating a black guy. We never even brought up the fact that we were an interracial couple because it genuinely wasn't something that we even thought about. However, one of his friends, his best friend, instantly disliked me and made zero attempt to cover it up. Zak, my boyfriend at the time, just told me that's how he is and to ignore him. But I wanted to know why this guy hated me so much despite not knowing me. So one night I asked him directly what his problem was. Turns out, the ONLY reason he didn't like me was because I was white. That's it. No other reason. He even proudly declared that he was racist against all whites. After a long, LONG, conversation that went from about 11pm to 7am we actually found a lot of common ground. Over the following weeks he gradually accepted that he was wrong to judge all white people on the few he's had bad experiences with. Nowadays, when we meet he still throws the odd racial slur my way but he does it as a joke and we laugh about it. So I don't think that all racists are unreachable. You have to consider why they feel the way they feel. Is it through a lack of education about the world, something that's been passed on from their parents, a "fear" based on what they see in movies and pop culture? These kinds of things can be corrected through education.

On the other hand, some people are just dickheads for no reason. They are the ones who there's just no hope for. And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.
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Reply #13 posted 09/17/18 3:16pm

uPtoWnNY

EmmaMcG said:

On the other hand, some people are just dickheads for no reason. They are the ones who there's just no hope for. And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.

Actually, they're the real snowflakes....nothing but cowards who don't have the balls to talk that shit to a real man.

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Reply #14 posted 09/17/18 3:43pm

EmmaMcG

uPtoWnNY said:



EmmaMcG said:


On the other hand, some people are just dickheads for no reason. They are the ones who there's just no hope for. And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.



Actually, they're the real snowflakes....nothing but cowards who don't have the balls to talk that shit to a real man.



Yeah. My ex is 6'4", built like a tree. Nobody ever said anything to him. His friend, the guy who said he didn't like me initially because I am white, he's like 5'6". Very small frame. He's the one who had those kinds of problems with racist arseholes when he was growing up. Which probably goes some way to explaining his behaviour towards me in the beginning. I'm not saying that his experiences excuses his own behaviour, but I can kind of understand his point of view.
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Reply #15 posted 09/17/18 8:43pm

jjhunsecker

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EmmaMcG said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Actually, they're the real snowflakes....nothing but cowards who don't have the balls to talk that shit to a real man.

Yeah. My ex is 6'4", built like a tree. Nobody ever said anything to him. His friend, the guy who said he didn't like me initially because I am white, he's like 5'6". Very small frame. He's the one who had those kinds of problems with racist arseholes when he was growing up. Which probably goes some way to explaining his behaviour towards me in the beginning. I'm not saying that his experiences excuses his own behaviour, but I can kind of understand his point of view.

Disliking or even hating anyone strictly because of their race (or religion or sex or sexual orientation) is just stupid and wrong. However, like I have said before, in these instances the feelings come from different places. Generally, Whites who hate Blacks do so because they believe Black people are inferior- more criminal, lazier, less intelligent, less moral. Blacks who dislike Whites generally do so because they feel that Whites have harmed them, impeded their progress, or look down on them. Not making excuses- just saying that origins and manisfestations of these hatreds arise from different circumstances.

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Reply #16 posted 09/18/18 1:01am

EmmaMcG

jjhunsecker said:



EmmaMcG said:


uPtoWnNY said:




Actually, they're the real snowflakes....nothing but cowards who don't have the balls to talk that shit to a real man.



Yeah. My ex is 6'4", built like a tree. Nobody ever said anything to him. His friend, the guy who said he didn't like me initially because I am white, he's like 5'6". Very small frame. He's the one who had those kinds of problems with racist arseholes when he was growing up. Which probably goes some way to explaining his behaviour towards me in the beginning. I'm not saying that his experiences excuses his own behaviour, but I can kind of understand his point of view.


Disliking or even hating anyone strictly because of their race (or religion or sex or sexual orientation) is just stupid and wrong. However, like I have said before, in these instances the feelings come from different places. Generally, Whites who hate Blacks do so because they believe Black people are inferior- more criminal, lazier, less intelligent, less moral. Blacks who dislike Whites generally do so because they feel that Whites have harmed them, impeded their progress, or look down on them. Not making excuses- just saying that origins and manisfestations of these hatreds arise from different circumstances.



That's exactly how I see it. And the example I used of my ex boyfriend's friend is proof of that. My ex, who's never had any issues with whites when it comes to racism, harbours no ill will towards white people because they've never offended him. His friend was racially abused and therefore he developed a resentment towards white people because of that. Now that he has had some positive experiences with white people (me) he no longer sees all of us as a problem. I think he's also just grown up a bit from when I met him first.
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Reply #17 posted 09/20/18 10:40am

ThatWhiteDude

EmmaMcG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.

I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.

I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.

Maybe SOME can be educated. I've told this story before on the org but I'll tell it again. When I was in America a few years ago, I was dating a black guy. We never even brought up the fact that we were an interracial couple because it genuinely wasn't something that we even thought about. However, one of his friends, his best friend, instantly disliked me and made zero attempt to cover it up. Zak, my boyfriend at the time, just told me that's how he is and to ignore him. But I wanted to know why this guy hated me so much despite not knowing me. So one night I asked him directly what his problem was. Turns out, the ONLY reason he didn't like me was because I was white. That's it. No other reason. He even proudly declared that he was racist against all whites. After a long, LONG, conversation that went from about 11pm to 7am we actually found a lot of common ground. Over the following weeks he gradually accepted that he was wrong to judge all white people on the few he's had bad experiences with. Nowadays, when we meet he still throws the odd racial slur my way but he does it as a joke and we laugh about it. So I don't think that all racists are unreachable. You have to consider why they feel the way they feel. Is it through a lack of education about the world, something that's been passed on from their parents, a "fear" based on what they see in movies and pop culture? These kinds of things can be corrected through education. On the other hand, some people are just dickheads for no reason. They are the ones who there's just no hope for. And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.

You may be right that SOME can be educated, but how? I think we talk about those who chose the right wingers, because they promise them something others don't, from a political point of view, you know? Just like the AfD does in germany. Some vote for them because they feel mistreated by the german government, they claim that they don't agree with the racist agenda. The problem with these people is, that 1. It is really hard to talk to them, to educate them, because most of them don't listen. I tried it so many times, I showed them statistics, not the fake statistics from the partie they are voting for, real statistics, but they said: "That is fake". Wich leads to my second point: A lot of them are conspiracy theorists who believe that the government lies all the time and is the real enemy, and they also believe that our government has a plan to create a "mixed race" of black and white people, and they claim that this mixed race will be dumber and easier to controll. I'm sometimes at a point where I just want to give up, but then again, it's my country too and I don't want it to be controlled by racists.

It's hard to spot the difference between a person who votes out of frustration or a real nazi, because in germany it was always like this: Find an enemy and the government won't be held accountable. Before the refugees came here, you know who was the enemy? People who get money from the state, because they can't work, there are some people who just don't want to work and find ways to still get money. Sure, that's frustrating for people who do work, because you pay for their lazy asses. But the government did this, they degradet EVERYONE who receives money from the state, instead of findin solutions for the real problems, there are so many involved, like most people work and still receive money from the state, because these so called "minijobs" don't get you enough money to live on your own. The system is completely broken, but they blame people who receive money. The system before that was good, now it's horrible. My mother worked her whole life, but she never had enough to live without the money from the state, we were always poor and I doubt that we'll ever be rich, but that's not what I want. I also know what it means to be insulted because your mother gets money from the state, most people would say, she's lazy, when she's not. She does work, a full week and still, not enough money.

So, that's how it started, first where the people who received money from the state, these were the enemys. Now it's people who have it even worse, refugees. Germany is one of the richest countries in the world, we got so much money, but most people ask: Where does the money go?" Wich is a good question but they ask it in the wrong context. It's not about the poor people in germany who receive money from the state to survive, it's not about the refugees. They should ask: "Why do you spent money on weapons for let's say, Erdogan's war against the kurdish people? Why do you spent the money on an airport that's never getting finished? No, instead, they blame people who aren't responsible for the problems in germany. But people always chose the easier targets and this creates more racism and honestly, after discussing for six years now, I don't know what to do anymore. I want to educate the people, I always tried to show them how stupid racism is, I really do, because it doesn't get us anywhere and I really don't why one would believe that he's worth more than the other just because of the color of his skin.

If you'd understand german, I'd explain this whole Hartz IV problem, because it's easier for me to do it in my native tongue than in english, because it is a big part of the racism problem. These nazis use the frustration of the people and turn them against africans, people from syria, iran etc. But these nazis are even worse than the actual people in power, people who vote for them, vote against themselves, but they don't know that. They believe that, if the refugees are gone, then germany has no problems, a naive thought.

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This idiot made $300K a year. What a dumbass.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #19 posted 09/20/18 3:24pm

EmmaMcG

ThatWhiteDude said:



EmmaMcG said:


ThatWhiteDude said:


Exactly. Silence them. Funny enough, a few days ago, somebody told me that "we just need to talk to them." Like, this Dude obviously never tried this, because from my experience, there's no way you can talk to them. They aren't open minded, and they never will be. So the only thing we can really do is, to try that these people don't get a platform.



I actually had a discussion in of my FB groups where they asked if it would be okay to close racist FB groups so they have no chance to spread their bullshit on the internet. If I was in charge, I'd do it. Because I'm tired of it, it feels like it's getting more and more, not only in the US, here in europe too. It's actually really scary.



I don't want to talk to them, they don't listen, they got their own agenda and if you disagree they insult you or even worse, beat the living daylights out of you, the thing is, they are proud of what they are.



Maybe SOME can be educated. I've told this story before on the org but I'll tell it again. When I was in America a few years ago, I was dating a black guy. We never even brought up the fact that we were an interracial couple because it genuinely wasn't something that we even thought about. However, one of his friends, his best friend, instantly disliked me and made zero attempt to cover it up. Zak, my boyfriend at the time, just told me that's how he is and to ignore him. But I wanted to know why this guy hated me so much despite not knowing me. So one night I asked him directly what his problem was. Turns out, the ONLY reason he didn't like me was because I was white. That's it. No other reason. He even proudly declared that he was racist against all whites. After a long, LONG, conversation that went from about 11pm to 7am we actually found a lot of common ground. Over the following weeks he gradually accepted that he was wrong to judge all white people on the few he's had bad experiences with. Nowadays, when we meet he still throws the odd racial slur my way but he does it as a joke and we laugh about it. So I don't think that all racists are unreachable. You have to consider why they feel the way they feel. Is it through a lack of education about the world, something that's been passed on from their parents, a "fear" based on what they see in movies and pop culture? These kinds of things can be corrected through education. On the other hand, some people are just dickheads for no reason. They are the ones who there's just no hope for. And unfortunately, there's a lot of them.

You may be right that SOME can be educated, but how? I think we talk about those who chose the right wingers, because they promise them something others don't, from a political point of view, you know? Just like the AfD does in germany. Some vote for them because they feel mistreated by the german government, they claim that they don't agree with the racist agenda. The problem with these people is, that 1. It is really hard to talk to them, to educate them, because most of them don't listen. I tried it so many times, I showed them statistics, not the fake statistics from the partie they are voting for, real statistics, but they said: "That is fake". Wich leads to my second point: A lot of them are conspiracy theorists who believe that the government lies all the time and is the real enemy, and they also believe that our government has a plan to create a "mixed race" of black and white people, and they claim that this mixed race will be dumber and easier to controll. I'm sometimes at a point where I just want to give up, but then again, it's my country too and I don't want it to be controlled by racists.



It's hard to spot the difference between a person who votes out of frustration or a real nazi, because in germany it was always like this: Find an enemy and the government won't be held accountable. Before the refugees came here, you know who was the enemy? People who get money from the state, because they can't work, there are some people who just don't want to work and find ways to still get money. Sure, that's frustrating for people who do work, because you pay for their lazy asses. But the government did this, they degradet EVERYONE who receives money from the state, instead of findin solutions for the real problems, there are so many involved, like most people work and still receive money from the state, because these so called "minijobs" don't get you enough money to live on your own. The system is completely broken, but they blame people who receive money. The system before that was good, now it's horrible. My mother worked her whole life, but she never had enough to live without the money from the state, we were always poor and I doubt that we'll ever be rich, but that's not what I want. I also know what it means to be insulted because your mother gets money from the state, most people would say, she's lazy, when she's not. She does work, a full week and still, not enough money.



So, that's how it started, first where the people who received money from the state, these were the enemys. Now it's people who have it even worse, refugees. Germany is one of the richest countries in the world, we got so much money, but most people ask: Where does the money go?" Wich is a good question but they ask it in the wrong context. It's not about the poor people in germany who receive money from the state to survive, it's not about the refugees. They should ask: "Why do you spent money on weapons for let's say, Erdogan's war against the kurdish people? Why do you spent the money on an airport that's never getting finished? No, instead, they blame people who aren't responsible for the problems in germany. But people always chose the easier targets and this creates more racism and honestly, after discussing for six years now, I don't know what to do anymore. I want to educate the people, I always tried to show them how stupid racism is, I really do, because it doesn't get us anywhere and I really don't why one would believe that he's worth more than the other just because of the color of his skin.



If you'd understand german, I'd explain this whole Hartz IV problem, because it's easier for me to do it in my native tongue than in english, because it is a big part of the racism problem. These nazis use the frustration of the people and turn them against africans, people from syria, iran etc. But these nazis are even worse than the actual people in power, people who vote for them, vote against themselves, but they don't know that. They believe that, if the refugees are gone, then germany has no problems, a naive thought.



Well not everyone is open to education so you're wasting your time dealing with people who refuse to listen to reason. But for those whose racism is based on misinformation and ignorance, I believe that they can be shown the truth. (I realise that last sentence sounds like I'm some sort of cult leader but bear with me here). I don't, however, think it's in my place to try to educate them though because all I, as a white girl, can do is tell the things and recite statistics. I can't actually SHOW them the truth. And that truth is the fact that skin colour does not define the individual. In my case, where my ex's friend said he disliked all white people, he only came around after getting to know me and realising firsthand that I am not a threat to him and that I don't treat him any differently just because he's black and I'm white. All his life, his black friends told him that not every white person sees him as being less than them and that that kind of backwards thinking was only from a small minority of white people who were too stupid and ignorant to know better. But it's one thing to tell someone this and it's something completely different for them to see it with their own eyes. He didn't like me because of my skin colour. After getting to know me he admitted he was wrong about not only me, but about others too. It wasn't my charming personality that won him over (though I AM damn charming) it was just that I didn't treat him any differently to anyone else. No better and no worse. He seen with his own eyes that not all white people are like the ones he's had bad experiences with. And that's how I think that this issue of racism can be educated out of some people. White people who dislike others based on the colour of their skin do so because they've had little to no interaction with them. And because they're too thick to think for themselves and realise that we're all the same regardless of what colour we are, what they need is to actually spend time with black folks so they can see that black people are just as smart, nice, friendly etc as they perceive themselves to be. Maybe then they'll see that there's no such thing as a "black race" or "white race" and that instead, we all belong to the "human race".
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You may be right that SOME can be educated, but how? I think we talk about those who chose the right wingers, because they promise them something others don't, from a political point of view, you know? Just like the AfD does in germany. Some vote for them because they feel mistreated by the german government, they claim that they don't agree with the racist agenda. The problem with these people is, that 1. It is really hard to talk to them, to educate them, because most of them don't listen. I tried it so many times, I showed them statistics, not the fake statistics from the partie they are voting for, real statistics, but they said: "That is fake". Wich leads to my second point: A lot of them are conspiracy theorists who believe that the government lies all the time and is the real enemy, and they also believe that our government has a plan to create a "mixed race" of black and white people, and they claim that this mixed race will be dumber and easier to controll. I'm sometimes at a point where I just want to give up, but then again, it's my country too and I don't want it to be controlled by racists.

It's hard to spot the difference between a person who votes out of frustration or a real nazi, because in germany it was always like this: Find an enemy and the government won't be held accountable. Before the refugees came here, you know who was the enemy? People who get money from the state, because they can't work, there are some people who just don't want to work and find ways to still get money. Sure, that's frustrating for people who do work, because you pay for their lazy asses. But the government did this, they degradet EVERYONE who receives money from the state, instead of findin solutions for the real problems, there are so many involved, like most people work and still receive money from the state, because these so called "minijobs" don't get you enough money to live on your own. The system is completely broken, but they blame people who receive money. The system before that was good, now it's horrible. My mother worked her whole life, but she never had enough to live without the money from the state, we were always poor and I doubt that we'll ever be rich, but that's not what I want. I also know what it means to be insulted because your mother gets money from the state, most people would say, she's lazy, when she's not. She does work, a full week and still, not enough money.

So, that's how it started, first where the people who received money from the state, these were the enemys. Now it's people who have it even worse, refugees. Germany is one of the richest countries in the world, we got so much money, but most people ask: Where does the money go?" Wich is a good question but they ask it in the wrong context. It's not about the poor people in germany who receive money from the state to survive, it's not about the refugees. They should ask: "Why do you spent money on weapons for let's say, Erdogan's war against the kurdish people? Why do you spent the money on an airport that's never getting finished? No, instead, they blame people who aren't responsible for the problems in germany. But people always chose the easier targets and this creates more racism and honestly, after discussing for six years now, I don't know what to do anymore. I want to educate the people, I always tried to show them how stupid racism is, I really do, because it doesn't get us anywhere and I really don't why one would believe that he's worth more than the other just because of the color of his skin.

If you'd understand german, I'd explain this whole Hartz IV problem, because it's easier for me to do it in my native tongue than in english, because it is a big part of the racism problem. These nazis use the frustration of the people and turn them against africans, people from syria, iran etc. But these nazis are even worse than the actual people in power, people who vote for them, vote against themselves, but they don't know that. They believe that, if the refugees are gone, then germany has no problems, a naive thought.

Well not everyone is open to education so you're wasting your time dealing with people who refuse to listen to reason. But for those whose racism is based on misinformation and ignorance, I believe that they can be shown the truth. (I realise that last sentence sounds like I'm some sort of cult leader but bear with me here). I don't, however, think it's in my place to try to educate them though because all I, as a white girl, can do is tell the things and recite statistics. I can't actually SHOW them the truth. And that truth is the fact that skin colour does not define the individual. In my case, where my ex's friend said he disliked all white people, he only came around after getting to know me and realising firsthand that I am not a threat to him and that I don't treat him any differently just because he's black and I'm white. All his life, his black friends told him that not every white person sees him as being less than them and that that kind of backwards thinking was only from a small minority of white people who were too stupid and ignorant to know better. But it's one thing to tell someone this and it's something completely different for them to see it with their own eyes. He didn't like me because of my skin colour. After getting to know me he admitted he was wrong about not only me, but about others too. It wasn't my charming personality that won him over (though I AM damn charming) it was just that I didn't treat him any differently to anyone else. No better and no worse. He seen with his own eyes that not all white people are like the ones he's had bad experiences with. And that's how I think that this issue of racism can be educated out of some people. White people who dislike others based on the colour of their skin do so because they've had little to no interaction with them. And because they're too thick to think for themselves and realise that we're all the same regardless of what colour we are, what they need is to actually spend time with black folks so they can see that black people are just as smart, nice, friendly etc as they perceive themselves to be. Maybe then they'll see that there's no such thing as a "black race" or "white race" and that instead, we all belong to the "human race".

You are right, and it's a fact that the majority of the people in germany who are against refugees, dislike them because they don't have much interaction with the refugees. Sachsen, for example, has the lowest percentage of immigrants (3,9%). That is a big factor, but I might add, and I am sure, if Tweety comes on this thread, he'll disagree with me, but the media plays a big part too. It's always like this: A refugee rapes someone, and the media always has to say from what country the person is. But if a german guy does it, nobody will know his name that indicates that he's german, and they don't exaggerate the story. And then you get what happened in Chemnitz two weeks ago and then at the same time, the media asks why even more people want to vote nazi parties.

So I say, we could show them that not every syrian person is a killer, but if the media doesn't stop to make a difference because the murderer, rapist is not white, then I don't see a real chance that the people in Sachsen will accept refugees, because they are already biased. It's a really tough situation, and I try every single day to find a new way to stop this crazyness that's going on not only in germany, but europe in general.

Of course it would be easier if people would just use their damn brains and realize that it shouldn't matter who kills or rapes, because the crime doesn't get worse if it's a none-white person, it is the same crime. A person committed a crime, period . But living in peace would be too easy, wouldn't it? Human beings, the most intelligent creature on earth, but the only race that whipes itself out out of pure stupidity and ignorance.

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