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Trump vs NATO

So mortifying... wtf is he doing?!?

Trump versus NATO • At the start of the military alliance’s annual summit meeting today in Brussels, President Trump called allies “delinquent” for failing to spend enough on their own defense, and he said Germany was a “captive” of Russia because of its energy dealings.

Here are the latest updates from the start of Mr. Trump’s three-nation European trip, which will include a meeting with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

On Tuesday, Mr. Trump’s criticism of NATO drew a rebuke from Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council. “Appreciate your allies,” Mr. Tusk said. “After all, you don’t have that many.”

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #1 posted 07/11/18 8:58pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Mr. Trump’s criticism of NATO “Appreciate your allies,” Mr. Tusk said. “After all, you don’t have that many.”


"Birds of a feather are meant to flock together" is what they are getting at, right?



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DiminutiveRocker said:

, President Trump called allies “delinquent” for failing to spend enough on their own defense, and he said Germany was a “captive” of Russia because of its energy dealings.



and as usual he used FAKE numbers and "alternate facts" to back up his freaking bullshit claims


furthemore... fuck NATO... and bye bye Trump, asshole. so please close the door on your way out you shithead


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Reply #3 posted 07/12/18 4:41am

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They have to know that he is such an idiot. He's an embarrassment to the US.

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Reply #4 posted 07/12/18 5:46am

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"We really accomplished a lot with respect to NATO. For years, Presidents have been coming to these meetings and talked about the tremendous expense for the U.S. And tremendous progress has been made – everyone has agreed to substantially up their commitment. They're going to up it at levels that they've never thought of before," Mr. Trump said.

"Everybody in that room got along, and they agreed to pay more, and they agreed to pay it more quickly," the president said, adding that when he came to Brussels at the beginning of the week, the "Untied States was not being treated fairly, but now we are."

Mr. Trump took a lion's share of the credit for making a "much stronger NATO than it was yesterday" adding that his fellow heads of state were "grateful" to him for drawing more money into the transatlantic alliances' coffers.



So, because of him NATO is "stronger now". Everything was solved. I'm having deja vu'. Oh, could it be from when he said we could all sleep better because he solved the nuclear crisis in North Korea, and yet NK continues to build nuclear weapons? Can this man's ego get any bigger???

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Reply #5 posted 07/12/18 6:39am

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Trump Vs NATO.
Its akin to David Duke having a fued with the KKK.





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benni said:

"We really accomplished a lot with respect to NATO. For years, Presidents have been coming to these meetings and talked about the tremendous expense for the U.S. And tremendous progress has been made – everyone has agreed to substantially up their commitment. They're going to up it at levels that they've never thought of before," Mr. Trump said.

"Everybody in that room got along, and they agreed to pay more, and they agreed to pay it more quickly," the president said, adding that when he came to Brussels at the beginning of the week, the "Untied States was not being treated fairly, but now we are."

Mr. Trump took a lion's share of the credit for making a "much stronger NATO than it was yesterday" adding that his fellow heads of state were "grateful" to him for drawing more money into the transatlantic alliances' coffers.



So, because of him NATO is "stronger now". Everything was solved. I'm having deja vu'. Oh, could it be from when he said we could all sleep better because he solved the nuclear crisis in North Korea, and yet NK continues to build nuclear weapons? Can this man's ego get any bigger???


Yeah - I am waiting to here all these countries tell the world that they made concsessions to the bully - then I'll believe it. He tends to stretch the truth. lol That "impromptu" press conference seemed like PR move to me.

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Reply #7 posted 07/12/18 7:41am

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Haus, the establishmen loves NATO Sick.

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Reply #8 posted 07/12/18 8:20am

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hausofmoi7 said:

Trump Vs NATO. Its akin to David Duke having a fued with the KKK.


Actually, he did. They kicked him out for stealing. That's why he started his own lovely group.

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Reply #9 posted 07/12/18 8:33am

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Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.

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Reply #10 posted 07/12/18 8:34am

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RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.

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Reply #11 posted 07/12/18 8:48am

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RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.


There was someone on twitter earlier, who stated that she had talked with a NYT's reporter who said a tape had been made for Trump's 70th birthday, in which his friends and family were saying positive things about Trump. She said that according to the reporter, when they started recording Barron, he started talking about when his daddy "beat him". Melania jumped up and rushed Barron out of the room. (Of course this is just hearsay.) But the reporter is apparently sitting on the tape.

I think there is more than one tape out there on Trump, and more than one kind.

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Reply #12 posted 07/12/18 9:34am

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benni said:

RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.


There was someone on twitter earlier, who stated that she had talked with a NYT's reporter who said a tape had been made for Trump's 70th birthday, in which his friends and family were saying positive things about Trump. She said that according to the reporter, when they started recording Barron, he started talking about when his daddy "beat him". Melania jumped up and rushed Barron out of the room. (Of course this is just hearsay.) But the reporter is apparently sitting on the tape.

I think there is more than one tape out there on Trump, and more than one kind.

WOW - too much.

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Reply #13 posted 07/12/18 10:19am

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benni said:

RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.


There was someone on twitter earlier, who stated that she had talked with a NYT's reporter who said a tape had been made for Trump's 70th birthday, in which his friends and family were saying positive things about Trump. She said that according to the reporter, when they started recording Barron, he started talking about when his daddy "beat him". Melania jumped up and rushed Barron out of the room. (Of course this is just hearsay.) But the reporter is apparently sitting on the tape.

I think there is more than one tape out there on Trump, and more than one kind.




Yikes!

Maybe Russia has the proof that it was Trump and not Elliott Broidy, that impregnated Playboy model Shera Bechard and paid for her abortion.

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benni said:

RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.


There was someone on twitter earlier, who stated that she had talked with a NYT's reporter who said a tape had been made for Trump's 70th birthday, in which his friends and family were saying positive things about Trump. She said that according to the reporter, when they started recording Barron, he started talking about when his daddy "beat him". Melania jumped up and rushed Barron out of the room. (Of course this is just hearsay.) But the reporter is apparently sitting on the tape.

I think there is more than one tape out there on Trump, and more than one kind.



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Reply #15 posted 07/12/18 1:56pm

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benni said:

RodeoSchro said:

Most all of this makes sense if you look at it from the standpoint that Trump is beholden to Russia. Nothing he's doing is being done to benefit anyone other than Russia.

All his comments and lies today - which are at this very minute being refuted by European leaders such as Macron of France - are designed to create a response that Trump will use to "justify" the US either pulling out of NATO, or reducing its presence. And who does that benefit?

Mother Russia, of course.

Donald Trump is not only selling out the United States of America, he's selling out the European Union too. That must be SOME pee tape.


There was someone on twitter earlier, who stated that she had talked with a NYT's reporter who said a tape had been made for Trump's 70th birthday, in which his friends and family were saying positive things about Trump. She said that according to the reporter, when they started recording Barron, he started talking about when his daddy "beat him". Melania jumped up and rushed Barron out of the room. (Of course this is just hearsay.) But the reporter is apparently sitting on the tape.

I think there is more than one tape out there on Trump, and more than one kind.

Such a great dad. My god, he is the most deplorable piece of shit alive.

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Reply #16 posted 07/13/18 4:23am

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2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
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Reply #17 posted 07/13/18 5:26am

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Germans Want US Troop Withdrawal, 42% of Germans support a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in the country.

https://www.mintpressnews...ng/245833/




by Whitney Webb


July 12th, 2018


BERLIN — After over 70 years, Germans have apparently had enough of the U.S. troop presence in their country, the second largest presence of U.S. troops abroad after Japan. According to a YouGov poll conducted by Germany’s DPA news agency, 42% of Germans support a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in the country with 37% of Germany wanting them to stay and 21% undecided. Currently, Germany hosts close to 35,000 U.S. soldiers and between 30 and 40 U.S. military bases.

The poll also found that support for withdrawal came from across the German political spectrum. For instance, 67% of voters from the left-wing Die Linke party were found to support a U.S. troop withdrawal while 55% of the far-right, nationalist AfD party also expressed support for their removal. The Green party of Germany also backed withdrawal by 48%. Support was lowest among voters of the CDU party, the political party of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, at 35%.

Other findings from the poll show that there is little popular support among Germans for militarism in general, but particularly U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent demand that NATO members such as Germany work to increase their military spending to a new target of 4% of national GDP. Some German political analysts have asserted that Trump’s demand is aimed at increasing European purchases of U.S.-manufactured weapons systems.



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Reply #18 posted 07/13/18 5:38am

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2Freaky they seem to.

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Reply #19 posted 07/13/18 6:20am

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Germans Want US Troop Withdrawal, 42% of Germans support a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in the country. https://www.mintpressnews...ng/245833/ by Whitney Webb July 12th, 2018 BERLIN — After over 70 years, Germans have apparently had enough of the U.S. troop presence in their country, the second largest presence of U.S. troops abroad after Japan. According to a YouGov poll conducted by Germany’s DPA news agency, 42% of Germans support a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in the country with 37% of Germany wanting them to stay and 21% undecided. Currently, Germany hosts close to 35,000 U.S. soldiers and between 30 and 40 U.S. military bases. The poll also found that support for withdrawal came from across the German political spectrum. For instance, 67% of voters from the left-wing Die Linke party were found to support a U.S. troop withdrawal while 55% of the far-right, nationalist AfD party also expressed support for their removal. The Green party of Germany also backed withdrawal by 48%. Support was lowest among voters of the CDU party, the political party of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, at 35%. Other findings from the poll show that there is little popular support among Germans for militarism in general, but particularly U.S. President Donald Trump’s recent demand that NATO members such as Germany work to increase their military spending to a new target of 4% of national GDP. Some German political analysts have asserted that Trump’s demand is aimed at increasing European purchases of U.S.-manufactured weapons systems.

Bullseye on the grifter analysis. Interesting that close to half want full withdrawal.

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Reply #20 posted 07/13/18 6:45am

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2 more years, 2 more years, 2 more years. He is making a fool of the US. The word idiot is to kind for him. mad

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Crime in Germany is down even though they took in all those immigrants. oh oh

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Reply #22 posted 07/13/18 1:53pm

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Crime in Germany is down even though they took in all those immigrants. oh oh

The crime rate among migrants in Germany rose by more than 50 per cent last year, according to new figures that have raised concerns the populist far-Right may seize on the issue in the run-up to September’s elections.

The number of suspected crimes by refugees, asylum-seekers and illegal immigrants rose to 174,438 in 2016 — an increase of 52.7 per cent, according to the interior ministry.

“This is not something to gloss over,” Thomas de Maiziere, the interior minister, said as he presented the figures. “Those who commit serious offences here forfeit their right to stay here.”

Crimes by migrants had “increased disproportionately” even when the huge influx into Germany under Angela Merkel’s “open-door” refugee policy was taken into account, he said.While the general crime rate in Germany fell slightly last year, Islamist-inspired crime rose by 13.7 per cent, according to the figures.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/

Crimes against children rose 117%

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Reply #23 posted 07/13/18 2:05pm

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So ya'll think that, because we are in NATO, that the U.S. should spend our hard earned tax money to help Germany out if and when Russia shuts off the pipeline to them in the winter? Germany has the best economy in Europe, yet they spend very little on their military and would be incapable of defending themselves in a war . They figure the U.S. will, once again, come to the rescue. To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.

Or is this more about hatred for all things Trump, than common sense?

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.

Forget Trump, how about discussing the issues? We'll never have a president everyone likes, get over it!!

When you start in about Trump (he was not my choice) you lose the argument.

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Reply #24 posted 07/13/18 2:29pm

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So ya'll think that, because we are in NATO, that the U.S. should spend our hard earned tax money to help Germany out if and when Russia shuts off the pipeline to them in the winter? Germany has the best economy in Europe, yet they spend very little on their military and would be incapable of defending themselves in a war . They figure the U.S. will, once again, come to the rescue. To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.

Or is this more about hatred for all things Trump, than common sense?

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.

Forget Trump, how about discussing the issues? We'll never have a president everyone likes, get over it!!

When you start in about Trump (he was not my choice) you lose the argument.


This is now the second thread you've popped up on and told us all to get over Trump. Are you daft?

Germany spends very little on their military because they were NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD UP THEIR MILITARY AFTER THE HOLOCAUST - defense only in NATO areas. Ditto Japan which was under even stricter regulations because of Pearl Harbor. I'm not saying it should continue but that is why it's the way it is. Read some history.

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poppys said:[quote]



Camileyun said:


So ya'll think that, because we are in NATO, that the U.S. should spend our hard earned tax money to help Germany out if and when Russia shuts off the pipeline to them in the winter? Germany has the best economy in Europe, yet they spend very little on their military and would be incapable of defending themselves in a war . They figure the U.S. will, once again, come to the rescue. To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.


Or is this more about hatred for all things Trump, than common sense?


Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.


Forget Trump, how about discussing the issues? We'll never have a president everyone likes, get over it!!


When you start in about Trump (he was not my choice) you lose the argument.




This is now the second thread you've popped up on and told us all to get over Trump. Are you daft?

Germany spends very little on their military because they were NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD UP THEIR MILITARY AFTER THE HOLOCAUST - defense only in NATO areas. Ditto Japan which was under even stricter regulations because of Pearl Harbor. I'm not saying it should continue but that is why it's the way it is. Read some history.


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I'm not telling anyone to get over Trump. As for being "daft", do your own homework - Germany certainly can build up their own military for defense. Thanks for keeping track of my posts.

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Reply #26 posted 07/13/18 10:47pm

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Camileyun said:

poppys said:

Camileyun said:

So ya'll think that, because we are in NATO, that the U.S. should spend our hard earned tax money to help Germany out if and when Russia shuts off the pipeline to them in the winter? Germany has the best economy in Europe, yet they spend very little on their military and would be incapable of defending themselves in a war . They figure the U.S. will, once again, come to the rescue. To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.

Or is this more about hatred for all things Trump, than common sense?

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.

Forget Trump, how about discussing the issues? We'll never have a president everyone likes, get over it!!

When you start in about Trump (he was not my choice) you lose the argument.


This is now the second thread you've popped up on and told us all to get over Trump. Are you daft?

Germany spends very little on their military because they were NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD UP THEIR MILITARY AFTER THE HOLOCAUST - defense only in NATO areas. Ditto Japan which was under even stricter regulations because of Pearl Harbor. I'm not saying it should continue but that is why it's the way it is. Read some history.

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[Edited 7/13/18 14:36pm] I'm not telling anyone to get over Trump. As for being "daft", do your own homework - Germany certainly can build up their own military for defense. Thanks for keeping track of my posts.

I guess if Alex Jones says it, it must be true. lol

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Reply #27 posted 07/14/18 8:49am

Camileyun

Wow, what a bullshit site this is...this is not a debating site, it's a shit on anyone that doesn't agree with everything you say, even when your dead wrong (see above re: Germany's crime rate). Sorry to interrupt your bitch fest! See ya'. wave flipped off
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Reply #28 posted 07/14/18 8:55am

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Camileyun said:

Wow, what a bullshit site this is...this is not a debating site, it's a shit on anyone that doesn't agree with everything you say, even when your dead wrong (see above re: Germany's crime rate). Sorry to interrupt your bitch fest! See ya'. wave flipped off

falloff wave Thanks! Yet you made the personal choice to participate in discussions here. Are you sure you’re not angry because you couldn’t get everyone to agree with you? There’s this thing called difference of opinions or one could agree to disagree if they so choose. Maybe it’s just you. Now your feelings are hurt because your opinions have been challenged. comfort
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Reply #29 posted 07/14/18 9:13am

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Camileyun said:

So ya'll think that, because we are in NATO, that the U.S. should spend our hard earned tax money to help Germany out if and when Russia shuts off the pipeline to them in the winter? Germany has the best economy in Europe, yet they spend very little on their military and would be incapable of defending themselves in a war . They figure the U.S. will, once again, come to the rescue. To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.

Or is this more about hatred for all things Trump, than common sense?

Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden.

Forget Trump, how about discussing the issues? We'll never have a president everyone likes, get over it!!

When you start in about Trump (he was not my choice) you lose the argument.


poppys said:


This is now the second thread you've popped up on and told us all to get over Trump. Are you daft?

Germany spends very little on their military because they were NOT ALLOWED TO BUILD UP THEIR MILITARY AFTER THE HOLOCAUST - defense only in NATO areas. Ditto Japan which was under even stricter regulations because of Pearl Harbor. I'm not saying it should continue but that is why it's the way it is. Read some history.


Camileyun said:

I'm not telling anyone to get over Trump. As for being "daft", do your own homework - Germany certainly can build up their own military for defense. Thanks for keeping track of my posts.


poppys said:


Uh, I said they could for defense. So tell me, why does the US have 40,000+ troops/personnel in Germany? Just happened? Nothing to do with WWII?

I replied to your post, the thread keeps track of the conversation, this is the format. You blew in here with a know-it-all attitude. The org takes all comers - as someone else said, this is a quote box mess. Just use the reply with quote button. We are not here for blanket proclamations without discussion.

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