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Reply #120 posted 06/13/18 12:29pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

any nation can be redeemed.... we forgave germany and japan and great britain... why not give NK a chance too?

It is scary how some deemed this a failure weeks ago and are using any or no reason to deem it such now... sick and sad and sure seems to prove it is more about trump hate than wanting a more peaceful world.

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Reply #121 posted 06/13/18 4:13pm

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ufoclub said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

any nation can be redeemed.... we forgave germany and japan and great britain... why not give NK a chance too?

It is scary how some deemed this a failure weeks ago and are using any or no reason to deem it such now... sick and sad and sure seems to prove it is more about trump hate than wanting a more peaceful world.

Germany was redeemed after all the war criminals were executed.




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Reply #122 posted 06/13/18 4:26pm

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ufoclub said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

any nation can be redeemed.... we forgave germany and japan and great britain... why not give NK a chance too?

It is scary how some deemed this a failure weeks ago and are using any or no reason to deem it such now... sick and sad and sure seems to prove it is more about trump hate than wanting a more peaceful world.

Germany was redeemed after all the war criminals were executed.

and what war crime has kim committed?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #123 posted 06/13/18 4:34pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

ufoclub said:

Germany was redeemed after all the war criminals were executed.

and what war crime has kim committed?



As you have pointed out time and time again, we are still technically at war with North Korea. Kim has murdered his citizens during a time of war. Adolph Hitler and his crew did the same thing in WWII. I guess you answered your own question.

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Reply #124 posted 06/13/18 4:38pm

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and what war crime has kim committed?



As you have pointed out time and time again, we are still technically at war with North Korea. Kim has murdered his citizens during a time of war. Adolph Hitler and his crew did the same thing in WWII. I guess you answered your own question.

those would be crimes but not war crimes...

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Reply #125 posted 06/13/18 5:03pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



As you have pointed out time and time again, we are still technically at war with North Korea. Kim has murdered his citizens during a time of war. Adolph Hitler and his crew did the same thing in WWII. I guess you answered your own question.

those would be crimes but not war crimes...

So you would forgive him because it's "not a war crime?" You do realize that killing people is bad and that it doesn't fucking matter if it counts as a war crime or not? Are you fucking kidding me??? Fuck no, nobody should forgive this fucking asshole, because he won't stop! He doesn't learn, he'll just go on and on with this shit and you want to forgive him and give him chances?

Kim is a sick little fuck, end of story. No forgiving, no chances, period. As Robert DeNiro would say: FUCK HIM!

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Reply #126 posted 06/13/18 6:13pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



As you have pointed out time and time again, we are still technically at war with North Korea. Kim has murdered his citizens during a time of war. Adolph Hitler and his crew did the same thing in WWII. I guess you answered your own question.

those would be crimes but not war crimes...

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The 1977 additional protocols, especially Additional Protocol 11, to the Geneva Convention on war crimes recognised that "wars" can include internal actions by government or guerrilla forces and can include crimes against humanity by military forces and by civilians. It extends protections to civilians. These add crimes against humanity to what is a "war crime".

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Additional Protocol II is the first international treaty that applies solely to civil wars and sets restrictions on the use of force in those conflicts.

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A real world practical example of this is Article 3 of the war crimes tribunal formally known as the "International Criminal Tribunal for the Prosecution of Persons Responsible for Genocide and Other Serious Violations of International Humanitarian Law Committed in the Territory of Rwanda and Rwandan citizens responsible for genocide and other such violations committed in the territory of neighbouring States, between 1 January 1994 and 31 December 1994" (hereinafter referred to as "the International Tribunal for Rwanda"):

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ITR Article 3
Crimes against humanity
The International Tribunal for Rwanda shall have the power to prosecute persons responsible for the following crimes when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack against any civilian population on national, political, ethnic, racial or religious grounds:
(a) Murder;
(b) Extermination;
(c) Enslavement;
(d) Deportation;
(e) Imprisonment;
(f) Torture;
(g) Rape;
(h) Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds;
(i) Other inhumane acts.

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Other than the support of the US president for North Korea, there is nothing preventing a similar tribunal from being created to assess the war crimes of North Korea during this civil war. The difference between the two terms is semantics, the modern application of the anti-war crimes treaty can be used against Noth Korea.

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Reply #127 posted 06/13/18 6:57pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

those would be crimes but not war crimes...

So you would forgive him because it's "not a war crime?" You do realize that killing people is bad and that it doesn't fucking matter if it counts as a war crime or not? Are you fucking kidding me??? Fuck no, nobody should forgive this fucking asshole, because he won't stop! He doesn't learn, he'll just go on and on with this shit and you want to forgive him and give him chances?

Kim is a sick little fuck, end of story. No forgiving, no chances, period. As Robert DeNiro would say: FUCK HIM!

i did not say forgive kim i said forgive NK

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Reply #128 posted 06/13/18 9:29pm

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ufoclub said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

any nation can be redeemed.... we forgave germany and japan and great britain... why not give NK a chance too?

It is scary how some deemed this a failure weeks ago and are using any or no reason to deem it such now... sick and sad and sure seems to prove it is more about trump hate than wanting a more peaceful world.

Germany was redeemed after all the war criminals were executed.


Simon Wiesenthal would very much have disagreed with your ridiculous statement.
Some of them were trialed and executed. Certainly not all of them. Many of them weren't even trialed.

The usefull ones were welcomed in the US to develop nukes and rockets.

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Reply #129 posted 06/13/18 10:36pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:





those would be crimes but not war crimes...



So you would forgive him because it's "not a war crime?" You do realize that killing people is bad and that it doesn't fucking matter if it counts as a war crime or not? Are you fucking kidding me??? Fuck no, nobody should forgive this fucking asshole, because he won't stop! He doesn't learn, he'll just go on and on with this shit and you want to forgive him and give him chances?



Kim is a sick little fuck, end of story. No forgiving, no chances, period. As Robert DeNiro would say: FUCK HIM!





i did not say forgive kim i said forgive NK


I would very much advise you read the book 'Nothing to Envy' by Barbara Demick. of course we would like North Korea to become a 21st century nation but we have recognise the part America played in allowing the Kim dynasty to become as powerful and evil as it has become to its own people and why it has so much emphasis on its military. If you want NK to be forgiven, then you should be looking to your own president to ask Kim for forgiveness for the acts of America against NK too.

In my opinion, NK will not change until the Kim dynasty is toppled. I believe Kim wants change, but real change allows human rights, freedom of speech and freedom of movement - none of which the majority of NK citizens have. This should have been high on Trumps agenda, not building hotels (probably in the Kim name making the dynasty even wealthier and more powerful).
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Reply #130 posted 06/14/18 4:56am

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Trump claimed during an interview with Fox News that he had "people, thousands, thousands and thousands of people" ask him "when you get a chance, sir, could you bring our son back home?"

Anyone see the problem with that statement? Anyone?

Let's think this through. The Korean War ended in 1953. If a man enrolled in 1953 and was sent to Korea right before it ended (unlikely, but it could have happened) he could've been 18 at the time. That would make this man 81 years old today. If his mother was 18 when she had him, that would make her 99 and the father would have maybe been a year or two older, could be the same age but I find that most women back then married someone who was at least a little older than they were, if not several years. Now this recruit would have had to be captured and killed within a few months of arriving in Korea. Again, unlikely, but possible.

According to the US Census in 2010, there were 371,244 individuals that were 95-99 years old at that time. And just in case they were 100 years of age or older, there were 53,364 people that were 100+ years. I work with elderly people. At those ages, I have found the majority of people would not be able to sit or stand for long periods of time especially at a campaign rally. Granted, there are some that would make the effort, but I highly doubt there would be "thousands and thousands" that could.

The likelihood of Trump's story having happened is extremely low. Trump admonishes the NFL to support our troops, stating they are disrespecting our military, our fallen, when they take a knee -- so what is it when Trump lies about the parents of the fallen to boast about himself and what he feels he accomplished?

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Reply #131 posted 06/14/18 5:03am

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The video that Trump played for Kim is said to have been produced by Destiny Pictures. Destiny Pictures denies they had anything to do with it. The film was made by the White House National Security Council.

The premise behind the film was that Kim and his people could live like we do in the United States. What makes the White House think that any country wants to live like we do in the United States? What gives them the right to try to enforce onto another culture, another country, our way of life? To me, that is the ultimate arrogance and is the ultimate slap in the face to any nation. "Your values, your way of life, are shitty. Here, try ours! You could live like an American!"

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Reply #132 posted 06/14/18 6:07am

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Reply #133 posted 06/15/18 6:36am

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The father of the feckless c*nt, aka Mr. Garbage, said this on Fox "news" last night :

"Hey, he's the head of a country, and he's the strong head -- he speaks and his people sit up at attention. I want my people to do the same."

There are not enough "fuck you's" or "LOCK HIM UP"s to even begin addressing this pig.

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Reply #134 posted 06/15/18 6:41am

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Trump is garbage.

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Reply #135 posted 06/15/18 7:23am

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The President of the United States of America saluted a general of another country.

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Reply #136 posted 06/15/18 9:03am

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RodeoSchro said:

The President of the United States of America saluted a general of another country.

Because he is garbage.

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Reply #137 posted 06/15/18 11:04am

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Reply #138 posted 06/15/18 11:50am

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NK played our genius president so badly, and so easily. That was clearly a set-up and our "greatest negotiator" had no idea that it was coming, or what to do about it.

NK has been showing Trump saluting a guy who has personally killed more than 340 people pretty much non-stop on their national TV.

Trump is the new Jane Fonda, but without the body, talent, beauty or charisma.

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Reply #139 posted 06/16/18 12:40am

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UncleJam said:

Wow...looking at that list makes me wonder why Obama wasnt the GOP's fucking hero. I guess Obamacare was the dealbreaker rolleyes

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'The public' was blinded by him being the first black POTUS, his charisma, eloquence and toothpaste commercial smile.

A wolf in sheep's clothing..... eek

This is probably the first time I've ever agreed with you about anything.

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Reply #140 posted 06/16/18 12:59am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

haha you can really see the hate. the reaction here is like the meme "But we wanted a nuclear war with North Korea...to make Trump look bad" It is just bitterness and hate and refusal to give any credit where credit is due. I mean I am not sure he should get a Nobel but he deserves kudos for how he handled Kim.

oh so "bowing down to a despot" is suddenly cool, cause it's from a republicunt?




AHAHAHA your deep hate for Obama is showing, be careful you hatefilled obsessed sad little trumdicksucking clown LOL you are such a predictable loon, just one GIANT laughable flip flopping partisan hack, the biggest hypocrite in this forum.

pitiful LMFAO



and now - instead of adressing your hypocrisy - let the whining begin...



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BombSquad, I usually agree with you on everything and always enjoy your posts, but come on man. If there's a chance this could lead to peace then isn't it worth a try? These talks may end up going nowhere (particularly since the Pentagon does not approve and may well try to sabotage it), but if you care about peace then you shouldn't just oppose the process because Trump is involved.

This is what I mean about liberals helping Trump. They attack him on the wrong things. Warhawk Rachel Maddow for instance is already suggesting that Trump is only doing this to please his Russian bosses. rolleyes Liberals need to come back down to earth. Quickly.

I was actually impressed that Trump has cancelled America's wargames in Korea since they have always been provocative and an obstacle to peace. The war profiteers and the military establishment will be alarmed though. War is what they do. They don't know anything else.

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Reply #141 posted 06/16/18 1:04am

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Trump did what Obama could not do. We have to admit it.

Actually, it was the South Korean President Moon Jae-in who did the most to get us here. He was the one who first reached out to the North to make it happen and kept things on track when US warhawks like John Bolton were trying to sabotage it.

The fact that he is almost unmentioned in media reporting on this issue is yet another example of how misleading our gentlemen of the press routinely are.

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Reply #142 posted 06/16/18 1:49am

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midnightmover said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Trump did what Obama could not do. We have to admit it.

Actually, it was the South Korean President Moon Jae-in who did the most to get us here. He was the one who first reached out to the North to make it happen and kept things on track when US warhawks like John Bolton were trying to sabotage it.

The fact that he is almost unmentioned in media reporting on this issue is yet another example of how misleading our gentlemen of the press routinely are.

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Agreed - Moon is also the only one of the three to not threaten others with nuclear weapons.

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Just as much as Kim played Trump in the meeting, Moon, in saying Trump should get the peace prize instead of him, played on Trump's need for ego boosts to keep Trump focused from going back to boasting about the size of his arsenal.

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Reply #143 posted 06/16/18 10:03am

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Give him a potted plant, not much else.

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Reply #144 posted 06/16/18 1:20pm

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IanRG said:



midnightmover said:




2freaky4church1 said:


Trump did what Obama could not do. We have to admit it.



Actually, it was the South Korean President Moon Jae-in who did the most to get us here. He was the one who first reached out to the North to make it happen and kept things on track when US warhawks like John Bolton were trying to sabotage it.

The fact that he is almost unmentioned in media reporting on this issue is yet another example of how misleading our gentlemen of the press routinely are.



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Agreed - Moon is also the only one of the three to not threaten others with nuclear weapons.


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Just as much as Kim played Trump in the meeting, Moon, in saying Trump should get the peace prize instead of him, played on Trump's need for ego boosts to keep Trump focused from going back to boasting about the size of his arsenal.


What do you expect? Moon (and South Korea) is between two evils. Of course he is going to try to keep peace with everybody!
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Reply #145 posted 06/16/18 4:05pm

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Give him a potted plant, not much else.

Handcuffs would be appropriate.

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Reply #146 posted 06/16/18 4:07pm

IanRG

NorthC said:

IanRG said:

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Agreed - Moon is also the only one of the three to not threaten others with nuclear weapons.

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Just as much as Kim played Trump in the meeting, Moon, in saying Trump should get the peace prize instead of him, played on Trump's need for ego boosts to keep Trump focused from going back to boasting about the size of his arsenal.

What do you expect? Moon (and South Korea) is between two evils. Of course he is going to try to keep peace with everybody!

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I expect nothing as I have seen this prize go to the wrong people before.

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I hope that the two people who in the year in question were two of the three most actively threatening each other and the world with nuclear weapons are not recognised as the best people promoting peace in the last year just because of a short meeting. I hope the short meeting does eventually lead to real peace and a better outcome for the people of Korea.

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Being the sensible one between two evils does not mean their sensibility should be dismissed as just in line with what is expected. Moon is playing a tricky game with two sociopaths.

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Reply #147 posted 06/17/18 8:41am

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Did you see the video of this? Trump went into shake his hand, he pulled it away and chuckled. Then Trump saluted him.

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Reply #148 posted 06/18/18 5:29am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

of course you are 100% correct. and I did not check any numbers of slavery or actual "body count" numbers, I just used the Only method: "say what you want"

and I have no clue what algorithm or calculation method Only himself uses to determine the "evilness" of countries...



but I just can't let him get away with dumbass bullshit statements, so sometimes I just fight bullshit with bullshit

so you admit you post things just to troll me? you do not like something I say so you admit to making up stuff just to put me down... and your direct insults and history of having such sniped is clear evidence of that and your lack of respect fotr the site rules.

oh stop the sissy whining, it's just plain boring

but essentially you admit you are trolling... D'uh!


I just did the same you did: make claims without giving backup. even when asked repeatidly (like you did in THIS thread and in basically each end every single other thread you are involved)


or is there a reason why you are excused and I am not? your astounding incapability to debate? constant lack of facts? sheer stupidity? do tell

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2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #149 posted 06/18/18 5:31am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



As you have pointed out time and time again, we are still technically at war with North Korea. Kim has murdered his citizens during a time of war. Adolph Hitler and his crew did the same thing in WWII. I guess you answered your own question.

those would be crimes but not war crimes...

technically the Holocaust isn't a war crime either. just a crime during war
so?

your "excuses" to defend the baby killer are just sick as fuck


and as expected you didn't answer this either:
so would you have "forgiven" Germany and make disarmament deals with Hitler DURING the Holocaust happening?


I know you will not answer. again. just run for the hills. as always. sissy



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2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
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