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Reply #270 posted 05/07/18 3:50pm

uPtoWnNY

2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I think you are not comfortable with the idea that some of the problems are part of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And I was accused of getting the math wrong. We had slavery (well the kind he was referring to) for 250ish years and it's been abolished for 150ish years. He is saying that in the 150 years we should be further along than we are. And he seems to be saying SOME of that lies at the feet of the oppressed.

And frankly, your post seems to validate what he said to some extent in that it seems to want to blame everyone else. If you can not see that some of the problem (however slight) is a mindset of inescapable victimhood then you may be part of why.

Nope, you’re sidelining again. You’re trying hard to avoid admitting the real reason why America cannot move forward and eradicate that mental slavery disease called ‘racism.’ America is still too coward to face and accept or even discuss its present its racial divide. What happened in Charlottesville last year, has proved it, when all the various white hate groups banded together, and marched together. Many protesting the confederate statues, that represented America’s history of racial divide and slavery. That’s not moving forward, that’s folks marching to keep that kind of horrid history alive. And Kanye questions why America hasn’t moved forward since slavery ended? Did he get a case of amnesia? You want to sugarcoat racial profiling and discrimination, instead of calling it what it is. Instead you basically accuse those who are everyday targets, not asking or looking to be targets, as playing ‘victimhood’ because they expose an ugly, societal ill? You are basically saying they use that as an excuse, to blame others, for not succeeding in life. Are you serious? If that was the case, how did Kanye manage to become wealthy even before he was with Kim, and he’s Black. How did all those Black professionals, during the days of segregation, within their own communities manage to succeed, even knowing the racist laws written against them, the racial profiling and risks of being lynched, if caught in a White community? If the will was not within them, the drive, the motivation, to seek opportunity and survive, no matter the racial hatred they knew existed, then none of them would have survived. It’s the same thing today. Blacks don’t let racism stop them from their motivation to seek opportunity no matter. Now some doors may have closed in front of some of them, but most know that someone was going to open the door. So take your blinders off, like many of the conservatives wear who pretend they don’t see the multitude of Blacks in American society going to work, owning businesses, becoming educators, lawyers, doctors, teachers, entrepreneurs, etc., and not letting the racism that still exists in America stop them from surviving and progressing. Now, on the other hand, when a president tells a group of supporters that the reason they lack opportunity or fail in the work world, because a certain racial group or immigrants are taking their jobs away from them, then that’s playing ‘victimhood.’ You should know that, since you supported trump. [Edited 5/6/18 13:28pm]

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Reply #271 posted 05/07/18 9:12pm

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ego ain't never satisfied, but we were talkng about the black/mexicans who voted for trump in shocking numbers. I could see why black people would want a wall/deportation, it doesn't help them having immigrants taking jobs that anyone can do, but mexicans? damn, their own race and they are trying to fuck them ,but that's the american way, it disgusts me.

I believe that Trump had the lowest Black support of any Presidential candidate in the last 40 or 50 years. We ALWAYS knew that he was a racist, since the Central Park Five and from when he was charged for refusing to rent to Black people. I personally can't understand ANY Mexican voting for Trump, unless it involves self hatred, and a desire to be seen as "different " than the undocumented "wetbacks"

i don't know, i was still surprised how many voted for him, and the Mexican americans? they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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Reply #272 posted 05/08/18 7:47am

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Mexican and black people voting for trump remind of Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained. He doesn't know that he's a slave too and that, in Candy's eyes, he's not better than all the other slaves, he's just his servant and his servant lives in his house. That's about it. They are all the same to him in the end.

And that's the same with Trump and blacks, mexicans etc. Remember what he said about these countries that inhabit black people and other people of color.

And now all these conservatives saying: "But black people can be conservative too." Yes, they can and that's okay, I don't care about Kanye being conservative, it's him agreeing with Trump and saying shit like: "SLAVERY IS A CHOICE". Man that reminds of that guy (what was his name) who said: "Slaves were immigrants too." No, they weren't, they didn't runaway from africa, the white men took them, raped them, made them their own property etc. They were forcefully brought to america. Many black americans live there because their ancestors were brought there as slaves. They had no choice.

They didn't decide to live in america and to top it all, this country never did anything for them, the people who build the economy of the south, and what happened after lincoln freed the slaves? The economy crashed, so they demonized black people and arrested them for sitting infront of a store. Throwing them in jail to do the work that needed to be done to build up the economy again (The 13th on Netflix is a great documentary about how america treats black people). "Every american citizen is free, except the criminals." And white men portrayed black people as criminals, they still do to justify arresting or even worse, shooting them.

And now we have Kanye saying shit like: "Slavery is a choice." Here's a message for Kanye and those of who agree with his bullshit: NOTHING america did to black people was a choice! And if you say something like that, you are part of the problem.

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Reply #273 posted 05/08/18 7:50am

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PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said: I believe that Trump had the lowest Black support of any Presidential candidate in the last 40 or 50 years. We ALWAYS knew that he was a racist, since the Central Park Five and from when he was charged for refusing to rent to Black people. I personally can't understand ANY Mexican voting for Trump, unless it involves self hatred, and a desire to be seen as "different " than the undocumented "wetbacks"

i don't know, i was still surprised how many voted for him, and the Mexican americans? they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Sadly, there are alwys going to be people too stupid to realize that they are getting fucked in the ass with no vaseline, or so twisted that they actually like it

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Reply #274 posted 05/08/18 7:53am

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Mexican and black people voting for trump remind of Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained. He doesn't know that he's a slave too and that, in Candy's eyes, he's not better than all the other slaves, he's just his servant and his servant lives in his house. That's about it. They are all the same to him in the end.

And that's the same with Trump and blacks, mexicans etc. Remember what he said about these countries that inhabit black people and other people of color.

And now all these conservatives saying: "But black people can be conservative too." Yes, they can and that's okay, I don't care about Kanye being conservative, it's him agreeing with Trump and saying shit like: "SLAVERY IS A CHOICE". Man that reminds of that guy (what was his name) who said: "Slaves were immigrants too." No, they weren't, they didn't runaway from africa, the white men took them, raped them, made them their own property etc. They were forcefully brought to america. Many black americans live there because their ancestors were brought there as slaves. They had no choice.

They didn't decide to live in america and to top it all, this country never did anything for them, the people who build the economy of the south, and what happened after lincoln freed the slaves? The economy crashed, so they demonized black people and arrested them for sitting infront of a store. Throwing them in jail to do the work that needed to be done to build up the economy again (The 13th on Netflix is a great documentary about how america treats black people). "Every american citizen is free, except the criminals." And white men portrayed black people as criminals, they still do to justify arresting or even worse, shooting them.

And now we have Kanye saying shit like: "Slavery is a choice." Here's a message for Kanye and those of who agree with his bullshit: NOTHING america did to black people was a choice! And if you say something like that, you are part of the problem.

Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't

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Reply #275 posted 05/09/18 3:33pm

uPtoWnNY

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't know, i was still surprised how many voted for him, and the Mexican americans? they ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Sadly, there are alwys going to be people too stupid to realize that they are getting fucked in the ass with no vaseline, or so twisted that they actually like it

According to some, those folks are "thinking for themselves". lol

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Reply #276 posted 05/10/18 7:06am

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Mexican and black people voting for trump remind of Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained. He doesn't know that he's a slave too and that, in Candy's eyes, he's not better than all the other slaves, he's just his servant and his servant lives in his house. That's about it. They are all the same to him in the end.



And that's the same with Trump and blacks, mexicans etc. Remember what he said about these countries that inhabit black people and other people of color.



And now all these conservatives saying: "But black people can be conservative too." Yes, they can and that's okay, I don't care about Kanye being conservative, it's him agreeing with Trump and saying shit like: "SLAVERY IS A CHOICE". Man that reminds of that guy (what was his name) who said: "Slaves were immigrants too." No, they weren't, they didn't runaway from africa, the white men took them, raped them, made them their own property etc. They were forcefully brought to america. Many black americans live there because their ancestors were brought there as slaves. They had no choice.



They didn't decide to live in america and to top it all, this country never did anything for them, the people who build the economy of the south, and what happened after lincoln freed the slaves? The economy crashed, so they demonized black people and arrested them for sitting infront of a store. Throwing them in jail to do the work that needed to be done to build up the economy again (The 13th on Netflix is a great documentary about how america treats black people). "Every american citizen is free, except the criminals." And white men portrayed black people as criminals, they still do to justify arresting or even worse, shooting them.



And now we have Kanye saying shit like: "Slavery is a choice." Here's a message for Kanye and those of who agree with his bullshit: NOTHING america did to black people was a choice! And if you say something like that, you are part of the problem.


Excellent post.
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Reply #277 posted 05/10/18 8:41am

ThatWhiteDude

jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Mexican and black people voting for trump remind of Samuel L Jackson's character in Django Unchained. He doesn't know that he's a slave too and that, in Candy's eyes, he's not better than all the other slaves, he's just his servant and his servant lives in his house. That's about it. They are all the same to him in the end.

And that's the same with Trump and blacks, mexicans etc. Remember what he said about these countries that inhabit black people and other people of color.

And now all these conservatives saying: "But black people can be conservative too." Yes, they can and that's okay, I don't care about Kanye being conservative, it's him agreeing with Trump and saying shit like: "SLAVERY IS A CHOICE". Man that reminds of that guy (what was his name) who said: "Slaves were immigrants too." No, they weren't, they didn't runaway from africa, the white men took them, raped them, made them their own property etc. They were forcefully brought to america. Many black americans live there because their ancestors were brought there as slaves. They had no choice.

They didn't decide to live in america and to top it all, this country never did anything for them, the people who build the economy of the south, and what happened after lincoln freed the slaves? The economy crashed, so they demonized black people and arrested them for sitting infront of a store. Throwing them in jail to do the work that needed to be done to build up the economy again (The 13th on Netflix is a great documentary about how america treats black people). "Every american citizen is free, except the criminals." And white men portrayed black people as criminals, they still do to justify arresting or even worse, shooting them.

And now we have Kanye saying shit like: "Slavery is a choice." Here's a message for Kanye and those of who agree with his bullshit: NOTHING america did to black people was a choice! And if you say something like that, you are part of the problem.

Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't

"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
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Reply #278 posted 05/10/18 9:10am

jjhunsecker

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ThatWhiteDude said:

jjhunsecker said:

Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't

"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.

That's why I say that while not every Trump supporter is a racist, they were OK with his racism (as well as his xenophobia and sexism)

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Reply #279 posted 05/10/18 9:18am

ThatWhiteDude

jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.

That's why I say that while not every Trump supporter is a racist, they were OK with his racism (as well as his xenophobia and sexism)

Because they weren't personally affected.

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Reply #280 posted 05/10/18 9:37am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

jjhunsecker said:

That's why I say that while not every Trump supporter is a racist, they were OK with his racism (as well as his xenophobia and sexism)

Because they weren't personally affected.

Exactly. Plus many believed that the Donald was just "telling the truth"...

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Reply #281 posted 05/10/18 12:36pm

PeteSilas

ThatWhiteDude said:

jjhunsecker said:

Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't

"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.

are people actually stupid enough to think that they'll just let trump push a button?

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Reply #282 posted 05/10/18 1:36pm

ThatWhiteDude

PeteSilas said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




jjhunsecker said:



Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't





"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.



are people actually stupid enough to think that they'll just let trump push a button?




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Reply #283 posted 05/10/18 1:40pm

ThatWhiteDude

PeteSilas said:



ThatWhiteDude said:




jjhunsecker said:



Speaking of "The 13th", I think we should post this clip again . The more things change, the more they don't





"I love the old days." eek yes because that's where your mindset's stuck. That's the crazy shit I don't get, people can see and hear what Trump does and says and they still voted for this man. Does he have to start world war 3 for people to realize what a guy he is? This is scary, this guy is so openly racist, homophic etc and that gives all this white supremacists a signal, these guys are getting more and more agressive because there is a president who is just like them. I never thought that I am capable of hating a person, but this guy sickens me.



are people actually stupid enough to think that they'll just let trump push a button?


No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone
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Reply #284 posted 05/10/18 2:31pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

PeteSilas said:

are people actually stupid enough to think that they'll just let trump push a button?

No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....

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Reply #285 posted 05/10/18 2:35pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PeteSilas said: No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....

i don't get all the drama just because people don't like the guy, i said a few pages ago that the world was/is fucked way before trump got to the presidency, capitalism, industrialism, we're pretty much at the end of our span I believe. Trump didn't do that by himself, all of us did, with our selfishness.

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Reply #286 posted 05/10/18 3:04pm

ThatWhiteDude

PeteSilas said:



jjhunsecker said:




ThatWhiteDude said:


PeteSilas said: No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....



i don't get all the drama just because people don't like the guy, i said a few pages ago that the world was/is fucked way before trump got to the presidency, capitalism, industrialism, we're pretty much at the end of our span I believe. Trump didn't do that by himself, all of us did, with our selfishness.


You actually got a point. The world is done, with or without Trum
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Reply #287 posted 05/10/18 3:10pm

ThatWhiteDude

jjhunsecker said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


PeteSilas said:


are people actually stupid enough to think that they'll just let trump push a button?



No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....


I don't know, Trump is a lunatic, but I don't think that anyone in the Whitehouse would let him push "That" Button.

And just as Pete said, we're fucked anyway.
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Reply #288 posted 05/10/18 3:40pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

jjhunsecker said:

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....

I don't know, Trump is a lunatic, but I don't think that anyone in the Whitehouse would let him push "That" Button. And just as Pete said, we're fucked anyway.

I donno...I feel a lot MORE fucked than I did just 2 years ago

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Reply #289 posted 05/10/18 3:41pm

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PeteSilas said:

jjhunsecker said:

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....

i don't get all the drama just because people don't like the guy, i said a few pages ago that the world was/is fucked way before trump got to the presidency, capitalism, industrialism, we're pretty much at the end of our span I believe. Trump didn't do that by himself, all of us did, with our selfishness.

I wouldn't blame EVERYONE....some people are greedier and nastier and more bigoted and more biased and more heartless and cruel than others

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Reply #290 posted 05/10/18 3:44pm

PeteSilas

jjhunsecker said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't get all the drama just because people don't like the guy, i said a few pages ago that the world was/is fucked way before trump got to the presidency, capitalism, industrialism, we're pretty much at the end of our span I believe. Trump didn't do that by himself, all of us did, with our selfishness.

I wouldn't blame EVERYONE....some people are greedier and nastier and more bigoted and more biased and more heartless and cruel than others

collectively, i think we all have our parts, we support the system, we drive, we eat, we take money, we use electricity, all things that destroy the earth, we know it and we do it, i'm guilty too, i'm gonna get up and drive around, i can't blame that on trump, i can only blame it on me.

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Reply #291 posted 05/10/18 3:53pm

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jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

PeteSilas said: No, but it feels like that the people who don't see how terrible this Guy is only would see it IF he'd start WW3, because that affects everyone

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....


Hell no. Congress is as fucking corrupt as he is.

The Rebublicans have gone back on every MORAL they ever had! The people who don't see are runnng the show. I don't buy the annihilation story either. Was under my desk at the age of 5 preparing for a nuclear attack during the Cold War, 50+ yrs ago. I'm still alive. This is not the way it has to be - power of of personality along with ineptitude and sheer madness? Does not The Bible even comment on this abhorrent behavior?


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Reply #292 posted 05/10/18 3:58pm

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poppys said:

jjhunsecker said:

Is there anybody who would stop him ? Seriously, I'm asking, because I'm not sure there is ....


Hell no. Congress is as fucking corrupt as he is.

The Rebublicans have gone back on every MORAL they ever had! The people who don't see are runnng the show. I don't buy the annihilation story either. Was under my desk at the age of 5 preparing for a nuclear attack during the Cold War, 50+ yrs ago. I'm still alive. This is not the way it has to be - power of of personality along with ineptitude and sheer madness? Does not The Bible even comment on this abhorrent behavior?


I think they'd kill him if they had to. I really wouldn't believe any single person could actually autonomously push a button, absolutely not, there would be enough people in the middle to halt the process somehow. Unless they were all just as insane, i don't think it would happen. from the looks of it, everyone in govt hates trump anyway, military might be different, lots of absolute psychos in the military at all levels. I think they said kennedy stopped a nuclear war with the bay of pigs it could happen, it would be stupid and it would be ugly but ya, it's possible.

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Reply #293 posted 05/10/18 5:08pm

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poppys said:


Hell no. Congress is as fucking corrupt as he is.

The Rebublicans have gone back on every MORAL they ever had! The people who don't see are runnng the show. I don't buy the annihilation story either. Was under my desk at the age of 5 preparing for a nuclear attack during the Cold War, 50+ yrs ago. I'm still alive. This is not the way it has to be - power of of personality along with ineptitude and sheer madness? Does not The Bible even comment on this abhorrent behavior?


I think they'd kill him if they had to. I really wouldn't believe any single person could actually autonomously push a button, absolutely not, there would be enough people in the middle to halt the process somehow. Unless they were all just as insane, i don't think it would happen. from the looks of it, everyone in govt hates trump anyway, military might be different, lots of absolute psychos in the military at all levels. I think they said kennedy stopped a nuclear war with the bay of pigs it could happen, it would be stupid and it would be ugly but ya, it's possible.

grouphug luck to us all!

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Reply #294 posted 05/10/18 8:21pm

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PeteSilas said:

poppys said:


Hell no. Congress is as fucking corrupt as he is.

The Rebublicans have gone back on every MORAL they ever had! The people who don't see are runnng the show. I don't buy the annihilation story either. Was under my desk at the age of 5 preparing for a nuclear attack during the Cold War, 50+ yrs ago. I'm still alive. This is not the way it has to be - power of of personality along with ineptitude and sheer madness? Does not The Bible even comment on this abhorrent behavior?


I think they'd kill him if they had to. I really wouldn't believe any single person could actually autonomously push a button, absolutely not, there would be enough people in the middle to halt the process somehow. Unless they were all just as insane, i don't think it would happen. from the looks of it, everyone in govt hates trump anyway, military might be different, lots of absolute psychos in the military at all levels. I think they said kennedy stopped a nuclear war with the bay of pigs it could happen, it would be stupid and it would be ugly but ya, it's possible.

You have more faith in Trump and his minions than I do ...

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