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Reply #30 posted 01/28/18 7:31pm

poppys

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djThunderfunk said:


And if you bothered to read the article I posted it says that wolf whistling would be included. I will state again, as I have repeatedly, I am discussing the article about the opinions of those who have read it.

beatdeadhorse

Which was my whole point in post 2. The article you chose says one thing, the article I chose says another thing, therefore until the report is published, or the law established, we can't say who is right. I also gave my opinion in post 2 on the article you chose - that I believe the law is for woman being repeatedly pestered, I don't believe starting a conversation, giving a compliment, or asking for a phone number falls into that bracket. Look, you chose to focus on my choice of pronoun rather than discuss the topic or my opinion on the article you chose from the outset.Your opinion is clear in the opening post, I think I've made my opinion clear too. Have the last word cause I'm outta here.

Good move maple. All the "sexual harassment" threads have deteriorated to the same few guys mostly worried about due process for abusers. Nothing new here.

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Reply #31 posted 01/29/18 3:51am

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maplenpg said:


djThunderfunk said:



And if you bothered to read the article I posted it says that wolf whistling would be included. I will state again, as I have repeatedly, I am discussing the article about the opinions of those who have read it.

beatdeadhorse



Which was my whole point in post 2. The article you chose says one thing, the article I chose says another thing, therefore until the report is published, or the law established, we can't say who is right. I also gave my opinion in post 2 on the article you chose - that I believe the law is for woman being repeatedly pestered, I don't believe starting a conversation, giving a compliment, or asking for a phone number falls into that bracket. Look, you chose to focus on my choice of pronoun rather than discuss the topic or my opinion on the article you chose from the outset.Your opinion is clear in the opening post, I think I've made my opinion clear too. Have the last word cause I'm outta here.

Good move maple. All the "sexual harassment" threads have deteriorated to the same few guys mostly worried about due process for abusers. Nothing new here.


Thanks Poppy.
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Reply #32 posted 01/29/18 5:38am

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poppys said:

maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said: Which was my whole point in post 2. The article you chose says one thing, the article I chose says another thing, therefore until the report is published, or the law established, we can't say who is right. I also gave my opinion in post 2 on the article you chose - that I believe the law is for woman being repeatedly pestered, I don't believe starting a conversation, giving a compliment, or asking for a phone number falls into that bracket. Look, you chose to focus on my choice of pronoun rather than discuss the topic or my opinion on the article you chose from the outset.Your opinion is clear in the opening post, I think I've made my opinion clear too. Have the last word cause I'm outta here.

Good move maple. All the "sexual harassment" threads have deteriorated to the same few guys mostly worried about due process for abusers. Nothing new here.

It's the same gals too.

That is how it tends to go, look at the Religion topics or certain Trump topics, you all are the same people in different threads

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Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
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Reply #33 posted 01/29/18 6:20am

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maplenpg said:

djThunderfunk said: Which was my whole point in post 2. The article you chose says one thing, the article I chose says another thing, therefore until the report is published, or the law established, we can't say who is right. I also gave my opinion in post 2 on the article you chose - that I believe the law is for woman being repeatedly pestered, I don't believe starting a conversation, giving a compliment, or asking for a phone number falls into that bracket. Look, you chose to focus on my choice of pronoun rather than discuss the topic or my opinion on the article you chose from the outset.Your opinion is clear in the opening post, I think I've made my opinion clear too. Have the last word cause I'm outta here.

Good move maple. All the "sexual harassment" threads have deteriorated to the same few guys mostly worried about due process for abusers. Nothing new here.


Yeah "good move" trusting the law to be used correctly.

I'm sure when they made laws against child porn with ambiguously written wording, there were people who trusted law enforcement to use them properly too. Now we have teenagers sending dick picks, of THEMSELVES, getting charged under those same laws and having to live with the sexual predator stigma of distributing child porn.

IF the wording of the law is ambiguous, and at least one source that read the proposal says it is, it will be used improperly. The wording should be clear and not open to interpretation.

I guess some of you have a naive faith in law enforcement?


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #34 posted 01/29/18 9:14am

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Every country has dumb laws. Here you cannot call a beer Zombie.

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Reply #35 posted 02/05/18 12:22am

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I have been living in Paris for the past 2 1/2 years, and I can say that street harassment is rampant. I cannot go out once on a simple errand (shopping, trip to the gym, commute to work, store on the corner, etc) without being called out, whistled at, asked for money, asked for a phone number, being followed, and at worst insulted, and having my arm grabbed (twice). Btw, I am living in the so-called ‘elite’ 16th arrondissement, so this is happening in any region of Paris, and in broad daylight. It is so bad, I don’t wear skirts/dresses anymore, and wear big headphones at all times when I am out as a deterrent, but it’s not even stopping them.

I am from Brussels, where the situation is as bad. There in 6 months, in addition to all the above, I was treated to 3 instances of exhibitionism in broad daylight and in the center of town. How am I supposed to feel safe?

When I am out in the streets I am going from A to B, and in my book anything from a complete stranger that disrupts me from my trip/business is unwanted and therefore constitutes harassment, period. Another thing, is that you never know if a simple (but unwanted) ‘Hello’ will turn violent. Since it is from a compete stranger, it can. Police criminal records are full of such cases. Better safe than sorry.

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Reply #36 posted 02/05/18 3:46am

CherryMoon57

I agree that there is a much needed law to protect women in France (and anywhere else). Harrassment in France is definitely a major problem, it totally cripples freedom of movement for women. Some very controlling men can be very insistent and NEVER take no for an answer, they can become very aggressive too if their demands are not answered. One of the worse street harrassment in France I have ever experienced was when a complete stranger suddenly put his hands up my skirt while I was sitting quietly and eating a sandwich with my family outside a Provincial train station. It was midday and there were many passers-by. No one around us - except my family - bat an eyelid. We immediately alerted the train station guard but he told us to 'get over it' and move on confused Why? Because this happens a lot and it has become normal. It shouldn't. So if such a law is passed, that's great, if anything it will help reminding people that women are human-beings, not just sex objects or commodities. Sad that this needs to be re-asserted though.

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Reply #37 posted 02/05/18 3:59pm

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I am sorry you had this terrible experience in France. But I am not surprised. I didn’t even mention the 2 instances when I was groped in a crowded metro train. And I’m not surprised either that no one budged. People are scared to come to your help, and there is complete laissez-faire on the part of the police. My experience in living in Russia and the US (8 years in each) is that people around you are much more responsive in such situations. But not in France/Belgium, everybody sits quietly and abusive people feel completely empowered. I can’t wait for some legislation to be passed. beg

CherryMoon57 said:

I agree that there is a much needed law to protect women in France (and anywhere else). Harrassment in France is definitely a major problem, it totally cripples freedom of movement for women. Some very controlling men can be very insistent and NEVER take no for an answer, they can become very aggressive too if their demands are not answered. One of the worse street harrassment in France I have ever experienced was when a complete stranger suddenly put his hands up my skirt while I was sitting quietly and eating a sandwich with my family outside a Provincial train station. It was midday and there were many passers-by. No one around us - except my family - bat an eyelid. We immediately alerted the train station guard but he told us to 'get over it' and move on confused Why? Because this happens a lot and it has become normal. It shouldn't. So if such a law is passed, that's great, if anything it will help reminding people that women are human-beings, not just sex objects or commodities. Sad that this needs to be re-asserted though.

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Reply #38 posted 02/05/18 4:56pm

bobzilla77

Yeah DJT you should start a GoFundMe to buy ice cream for all the poor, butthurt guys who just wanted to tell a girl she was cute, and have been unforgivably silenced.

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Think of all the romance that has been lost. Feel the pain, magnified, deep in your soul, and let out a deep, mournful wail that strips the bark from all the trees on your street. Record that wail, and put it on the internet, so your brothers can hear the song of their sufferring, and weep with you in unison.

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How WILL the poor Frenchmen manage to make romance? Sacre bleu!

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Reply #39 posted 02/05/18 6:00pm

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Yeah DJT you should start a GoFundMe to buy ice cream for all the poor, butthurt guys who just wanted to tell a girl she was cute, and have been unforgivably silenced.

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Think of all the romance that has been lost. Feel the pain, magnified, deep in your soul, and let out a deep, mournful wail that strips the bark from all the trees on your street. Record that wail, and put it on the internet, so your brothers can hear the song of their sufferring, and weep with you in unison.

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How WILL the poor Frenchmen manage to make romance? Sacre bleu!

falloff

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Reply #40 posted 02/05/18 7:41pm

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We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #41 posted 02/06/18 2:42am

CherryMoon57

bobzilla77 said:

Yeah DJT you should start a GoFundMe to buy ice cream for all the poor, butthurt guys who just wanted to tell a girl she was cute, and have been unforgivably silenced.

.

Think of all the romance that has been lost. Feel the pain, magnified, deep in your soul, and let out a deep, mournful wail that strips the bark from all the trees on your street. Record that wail, and put it on the internet, so your brothers can hear the song of their sufferring, and weep with you in unison.

.

How WILL the poor Frenchmen manage to make romance? Sacre bleu!

lol lol lol

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Reply #42 posted 02/06/18 8:26am

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DJ, is that your hero?

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Reply #43 posted 02/06/18 8:36am

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DJ, is that your hero?


Naw, I'm more of a Bugs Bunny guy. Just figured if we're gonna be making jokes about this, I'd throw in Pepe.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #44 posted 02/07/18 4:19pm

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Flo6 said:

I have been living in Paris for the past 2 1/2 years, and I can say that street harassment is rampant. I cannot go out once on a simple errand (shopping, trip to the gym, commute to work, store on the corner, etc) without being called out, whistled at, asked for money, asked for a phone number, being followed, and at worst insulted, and having my arm grabbed (twice). Btw, I am living in the so-called ‘elite’ 16th arrondissement, so this is happening in any region of Paris, and in broad daylight. It is so bad, I don’t wear skirts/dresses anymore, and wear big headphones at all times when I am out as a deterrent, but it’s not even stopping them.

I am from Brussels, where the situation is as bad. There in 6 months, in addition to all the above, I was treated to 3 instances of exhibitionism in broad daylight and in the center of town. How am I supposed to feel safe?

When I am out in the streets I am going from A to B, and in my book anything from a complete stranger that disrupts me from my trip/business is unwanted and therefore constitutes harassment, period. Another thing, is that you never know if a simple (but unwanted) ‘Hello’ will turn violent. Since it is from a compete stranger, it can. Police criminal records are full of such cases. Better safe than sorry.

Really is that bad over there? this doesn't happen here, at least not at this level not even here in Mexico when violence is our daily bread.

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