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Reply #180 posted 01/23/18 7:32pm

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toejam said:

I don't think the mother was "clueless" to historical racist stereotyping, or that she allowed the shoot to happen because she is a pushy 'dance mom'-type who didn't want to be seen as uncooperative and would be OK with having her child pose in a racist hoodie. I think that's a desperate search for an alternative beyond a more likely scenario - i.e. she read the context correctly - a cute slogan appropriate for a kid of any colour.

I don't care what most people think. Something can be racist when most people think it's not and something can not be racist when most people think it is. Racism / not-racism isn't determined by majority opinion.

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I don't know any Black person who would allow their child to be photographed in a shirt describing said child as a "monkey ".

And who is the final arbiter of what is actually "racist" or not? You ??
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Reply #181 posted 01/23/18 7:50pm

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jjhunsecker said:

I don't know any Black person who would allow their child to be photographed in a shirt describing said child as a "monkey ".

Clearly you don't know enough black people then. This mother had no issue.
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Reply #182 posted 01/23/18 8:51pm

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toejam said:

jjhunsecker said:
I don't know any Black person who would allow their child to be photographed in a shirt describing said child as a "monkey ".
Clearly you don't know enough black people then. This mother had no issue.

She's one... Versus the hundreds I know. Why does this one woman invalidate what probably millions of other people think or feel ?



Like I said, bitch got PAID. As the great film director Billy Wilder once said, "There are two types of people in this world- those who'll do anything for money, and those who'll do ALMOST anything for money"...

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Reply #183 posted 01/23/18 8:59pm

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I'm trying to figure out exactly WHY you're so invested in this issue, going on and on about it ? Even if you don't agree that the company had a racist intent, surely you must see that this was a colossel error of judgment on H&M's part, at that very least . I'm not sure where you're from, but I somehow doubt that you've come into contact with many Black or African originated people, because you seem to have some sort of( willful ?) blindness as to how the majority of Black people feel about comparisons to simians, and as to the historical antecedents that led them to these feelings on the subject.

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Reply #184 posted 01/23/18 9:00pm

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2elijah said:

toejam said:
Tell that to those here who are convinced that H&M's intent was malicious. I doubt that very much. What's in it for them? I think it's obviously an innocent cute slogan for cute kids of any colour. The black mother also correctly understood this.
Lmao. You’re making excuses for H&M. I guarantee the mother and H&M learned real quick, when they saw the response from Black communities around the world. I’m happy H&M was forced to close some stores because of the protests. The child is the innocent one. Enjoy your evening.

The mother was either greedy or just plain stupid

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Reply #185 posted 01/23/18 10:08pm

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Once again, the percentage of people who think this is racist is independent of whether or not it is racist. I don't think the mother was stupid or greedy. She correctly understood the context of the slogan as being an affectionate one for kids.
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Reply #186 posted 01/24/18 12:19am

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toejam said:

Once again, the percentage of people who think this is racist is independent of whether or not it is racist. I don't think the mother was stupid or greedy. She correctly understood the context of the slogan as being an affectionate one for kids.

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Actually, as we are talking about racist slurs and taunts, it is precisely whether there is a large enough percentage of people in the racial group that recognise this as a common and very, very well understood and frequently used racial slur and taunt used against them that makes it racist.

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I alway wondered how you would go in a non-religion based toejam rabbithole. Answer: just as the same as ever: no understanding and nothing but repetition.

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Reply #187 posted 01/24/18 12:47am

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The image is not a "racial slur" or "taunt" though. The hoodie isn't being sold to black children exclusively. And the language in its proper context is affectionate, applicable to children of any colour.

No one in this thread has been able to indicate what is racist about this image. The closest anyone has come is to say that people are offended. Well, my point has been they need not be. There's nothing racist going on. It seems unlikely to have been racially motivated, contrary to 2elijah's certainty. The black mother of the child had no issue. Yet she has been vilified as "stupid", "clueless", only doing it for the money ("bitch got paid") like a "dance mom" so obsessed with her child's modelling career that she would be willing to put him in something blatantly racist. I beg to differ. She correctly interpreted the context. Cute slogan for cute kids.

I will back people when they are being racially vilified and taunted. By that's not what's going on here.

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Reply #188 posted 01/24/18 3:40am

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jjhunsecker said:

toejam said:
I don't think the mother was "clueless" to historical racist stereotyping, or that she allowed the shoot to happen because she is a pushy 'dance mom'-type who didn't want to be seen as uncooperative and would be OK with having her child pose in a racist hoodie. I think that's a desperate search for an alternative beyond a more likely scenario - i.e. she read the context correctly - a cute slogan appropriate for a kid of any colour. I don't care what most people think. Something can be racist when most people think it's not and something can not be racist when most people think it is. Racism / not-racism isn't determined by majority opinion. . [Edited 1/23/18 17:23pm]
I don't know any Black person who would allow their child to be photographed in a shirt describing said child as a "monkey ". And who is the final arbiter of what is actually "racist" or not? You ??

He thinks he is. Says the same thing over & over, rejects all examples demanded. One trick pony trolling.

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Reply #189 posted 01/24/18 3:51am

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toejam said:

The image is not a "racial slur" or "taunt" though. The hoodie isn't being sold to black children exclusively. And the language in its proper context is affectionate, applicable to children of any colour. No one in this thread has been able to indicate what is racist about this image. The closest anyone has come is to say that people are offended. Well, my point has been they need not be. There's nothing racist going on. It seems unlikely to have been racially motivated, contrary to 2elijah's certainty. The black mother of the child had no issue. Yet she has been vilified as "stupid", "clueless", only doing it for the money ("bitch got paid") like a "dance mom" so obsessed with her child's modelling career that she would be willing to put him in something blatantly racist. I beg to differ. She correctly interpreted the context. Cute slogan for cute kids. I will back people when they are being racially vilified and taunted. By that's not what's going on here. . [Edited 1/24/18 0:51am]

I would say it is an issue because of the history of 'animalizing' people of color. Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

What is more interesting and smacks of total hypocrisy is how some insist this is clearly racist but some of them insist using a racial slur as an insult is not necessarily.... "that is not what he said! and if he said it he did not mean it. you just do not get the context. you are just mad you can not use it!"

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #190 posted 01/24/18 3:58am

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toejam said:

Once again, the percentage of people who think this is racist is independent of whether or not it is racist. I don't think the mother was stupid or greedy. She correctly understood the context of the slogan as being an affectionate one for kids.

People exploit their own morals for money and fame all the time. Women will do sex scenes and nudity to get a role. Many people of color have taken negative sterotipical roles (with no pay off*) of their own kind to get a job. It happens.


It also happens in real life too. People will do thins for reasons that are not in line with their own best interest.


* Samuel L Jackson's role as Steven in "Django Unchained" is an example of such a role where the part is negative but there is a reason. There was a payoff.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #191 posted 01/24/18 4:13am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

The hoodie's text is not conveying that the wearer is less evolved. It's supposed to highlight the wearer's cuteness, nimbleness, wittiness and innocence. Cute stuff for cute kids. Black or not-black. Different contexts. If someone misinterprets it for the former, that misinterpretation does not make the text racist.

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Reply #192 posted 01/24/18 7:54am

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jjhunsecker said:

toejam said:

jjhunsecker said: Clearly you don't know enough black people then. This mother had no issue.

She's one... Versus the hundreds I know. Why does this one woman invalidate what probably millions of other people think or feel ?



Like I said, bitch got PAID. As the great film director Billy Wilder once said, "There are two types of people in this world- those who'll do anything for money, and those who'll do ALMOST anything for money"...

If there is 1 there are more.

A lot of people have no issue with calling their kids pet name 'monkey'

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I'm on the 3rd season of the Sopranos and he's already called his boy and a few others lil monkey
And Guinea is a species of monkey. Italians use that toward each other as well

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I was just watching Modern Family and the father Jay called his kid(s)grandkids monkey, and his pet dog is named monkey I think, or is that my neighbor Bob whose pug is named monkey

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The monkey is an intelligent beautiful creature. And for those of you who don't believe in God/creation, don't they believe they came from apes/monkey's?

Yet folk continue to defend the 'right' for black folk to continue to call each other 'Ni&&a' and don't get offended.

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This brand is a UK or Swiss brand, is that monkey slur that we know in the US one that was used in the UK?
They should have only had white kids wearing it.

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Reply #193 posted 01/24/18 8:39am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



toejam said:


The image is not a "racial slur" or "taunt" though. The hoodie isn't being sold to black children exclusively. And the language in its proper context is affectionate, applicable to children of any colour. No one in this thread has been able to indicate what is racist about this image. The closest anyone has come is to say that people are offended. Well, my point has been they need not be. There's nothing racist going on. It seems unlikely to have been racially motivated, contrary to 2elijah's certainty. The black mother of the child had no issue. Yet she has been vilified as "stupid", "clueless", only doing it for the money ("bitch got paid") like a "dance mom" so obsessed with her child's modelling career that she would be willing to put him in something blatantly racist. I beg to differ. She correctly interpreted the context. Cute slogan for cute kids. I will back people when they are being racially vilified and taunted. By that's not what's going on here. . [Edited 1/24/18 0:51am]


I would say it is an issue because of the history of 'animalizing' people of color. Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

What is more interesting and smacks of total hypocrisy is how some insist this is clearly racist but some of them insist using a racial slur as an insult is not necessarily.... "that is not what he said! and if he said it he did not mean it. you just do not get the context. you are just mad you can not use it!"


Isn't this thread about the monkey slogan H&M advertised on the clothing a Black child was wearing? Not sure what this has to do with your opinion on another topic where others didn’t agree with you about, but you keep injecting it into other threads.
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Reply #194 posted 01/24/18 8:50am

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toejam said:

The image is not a "racial slur" or "taunt" though. The hoodie isn't being sold to black children exclusively. And the language in its proper context is affectionate, applicable to children of any colour.

No one in this thread has been able to indicate what is racist about this image. The closest anyone has come is to say that people are offended. Well, my point has been they need not be. There's nothing racist going on. It seems unlikely to have been racially motivated, contrary to 2elijah's certainty. The black mother of the child had no issue. Yet she has been vilified as "stupid", "clueless", only doings ng it for the money ("bitch got paid") like a "dance mom" so obsessed with her child's modelling career that she would be willing to put him in something blatantly racist. I beg to differ. She correctly interpreted the context. Cute slogan for cute kids.

I will back people when they are being racially vilified and taunted. By that's not what's going on here.

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Toejam,

I’m not responsible for the views or opinions about the child’s mother. I can only express my opinion and I did. If you’re so sure that putting a shirt on a Black child with a monkey image or slogan, is ok, then that’s your opinion, I just don’t and will never agree with you on that.

For example, I guarantee if you walked down the street with a Black child in America, with a image of a monkey on the face of his clothing, you will receive questionable looks. However if you feel it’s ok for Black children to walk around with ‘monkey’ images on their clothing, well all I can say is I just can’t respect your opinion in that. I get it, you’re dead set in your belief that monkey images on the clothing of Blacks, are just fine with you. Sad. Have a wonderful day.
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Reply #195 posted 01/24/18 8:56am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jjhunsecker said:

She's one... Versus the hundreds I know. Why does this one woman invalidate what probably millions of other people think or feel ?



Like I said, bitch got PAID. As the great film director Billy Wilder once said, "There are two types of people in this world- those who'll do anything for money, and those who'll do ALMOST anything for money"...

If there is 1 there are more.

A lot of people have no issue with calling their kids pet name 'monkey'

.

I'm on the 3rd season of the Sopranos and he's already called his boy and a few others lil monkey
And Guinea is a species of monkey. Italians use that toward each other as well

.

I was just watching Modern Family and the father Jay called his kid(s)grandkids monkey, and his pet dog is named monkey I think, or is that my neighbor Bob whose pug is named monkey

.

The monkey is an intelligent beautiful creature. And for those of you who don't believe in God/creation, don't they believe they came from apes/monkey's?

Yet folk continue to defend the 'right' for black folk to continue to call each other 'Ni&&a' and don't get offended.

.

This brand is a UK or Swiss brand, is that monkey slur that we know in the US one that was used in the UK?
They should have only had white kids wearing it.

3ae38a42d2bf18e33707bef9885b486c.jpg

Brand-Boy-Children-Clothing-Sets-Monkey-Sport-Suits-For-Boys-Cartoon-Cotton-Long-Sleeve-Home-font.jpg

I personally have no problem with a fellow Black person saying to me "What's up, my nigga ?"

I DO have a problem with a non-White person saying "Hey nigger, what are you doing here", or "A bunch of niggers moved next door".

Context, and WHO says something, and WHY they are saying matters.


So, a Black mother calling HER kid a "monkey" in their personal home lives is NOT the same in my view as a multinational corporation putting a Black kid in a shirt labelling him a "monkey' for the whole world to see. Not comparible...

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Reply #196 posted 01/24/18 8:57am

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would say it is an issue because of the history of 'animalizing' people of color. Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

What is more interesting and smacks of total hypocrisy is how some insist this is clearly racist but some of them insist using a racial slur as an insult is not necessarily.... "that is not what he said! and if he said it he did not mean it. you just do not get the context. you are just mad you can not use it!"

Isn't this thread about the monkey slogan H&M advertised on the clothing a Black child was wearing? Not sure what this has to do with your opinion on another topic where others didn’t agree with you about, but you keep injecting it into other threads.

It has NOTHING to do with the thread at all. But why should that stop him ?

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Reply #197 posted 01/24/18 8:57am

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I would say it is an issue because of the history of 'animalizing' people of color. Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

What is more interesting and smacks of total hypocrisy is how some insist this is clearly racist but some of them insist using a racial slur as an insult is not necessarily.... "that is not what he said! and if he said it he did not mean it. you just do not get the context. you are just mad you can not use it!"

Isn't this thread about the monkey slogan H&M advertised on the clothing a Black child was wearing? Not sure what this has to do with your opinion on another topic where others didn’t agree with you about, but you keep injecting it into other threads.

because some here are saying that if you do not agree the image is racist you are wrong when some of the main ones said when it suited them that there is a wider context to consider.

I tend to agree the photo is racist. I also see hypocrisy against those that do not. Someone suggested that another did not have the power to decide yet seems to have decided that it is.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #198 posted 01/24/18 9:13am

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If there is 1 there are more.

A lot of people have no issue with calling their kids pet name 'monkey'

.

I'm on the 3rd season of the Sopranos and he's already called his boy and a few others lil monkey
And Guinea is a species of monkey. Italians use that toward each other as well

.

I was just watching Modern Family and the father Jay called his kid(s)grandkids monkey, and his pet dog is named monkey I think, or is that my neighbor Bob whose pug is named monkey

.

The monkey is an intelligent beautiful creature. And for those of you who don't believe in God/creation, don't they believe they came from apes/monkey's?

Yet folk continue to defend the 'right' for black folk to continue to call each other 'Ni&&a' and don't get offended.

.

This brand is a UK or Swiss brand, is that monkey slur that we know in the US one that was used in the UK?
They should have only had white kids wearing it.

3ae38a42d2bf18e33707bef9885b486c.jpg

Brand-Boy-Children-Clothing-Sets-Monkey-Sport-Suits-For-Boys-Cartoon-Cotton-Long-Sleeve-Home-font.jpg

I personally have no problem with a fellow Black person saying to me "What's up, my nigga ?"

I DO have a problem with a non-White person saying "Hey nigger, what are you doing here", or "A bunch of niggers moved next door".

Context, and WHO says something, and WHY they are saying matters.


So, a Black mother calling HER kid a "monkey" in their personal home lives is NOT the same in my view as a multinational corporation putting a Black kid in a shirt labelling him a "monkey' for the whole world to see. Not comparible...

If nigga is the same as ni&&er, which it is, the poison of the word still remains.

It is confusion. Too many times I've had to pull young black dudes to the side at work about that word in the work place
A black man fighting another black man with the intent to do harm will still call him 'nigga' while throwing blows

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the origin and intent of that word is EVIL, but certain black folk not matter what others thought of it said/pushed/preached that it taking the er off the end and adding a made it a term of endearment...

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the monkey was never evil, just like the pig/swine, both intelligent. Both used as terms of endearment, pet names, that to this day I've heard every 'race' (race is evil too) use it toward their little ones or selves. Why not a brotha take the symbol of the monkey back? to the wonderfully pure creature it is?

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Reply #199 posted 01/24/18 9:33am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jjhunsecker said:

I personally have no problem with a fellow Black person saying to me "What's up, my nigga ?"

I DO have a problem with a non-White person saying "Hey nigger, what are you doing here", or "A bunch of niggers moved next door".

Context, and WHO says something, and WHY they are saying matters.


So, a Black mother calling HER kid a "monkey" in their personal home lives is NOT the same in my view as a multinational corporation putting a Black kid in a shirt labelling him a "monkey' for the whole world to see. Not comparible...

If nigga is the same as ni&&er, which it is, the poison of the word still remains.

It is confusion. Too many times I've had to pull young black dudes to the side at work about that word in the work place
A black man fighting another black man with the intent to do harm will still call him 'nigga' while throwing blows

I agree that it is a word, like many words, (like bitch, tits, dick, pussy, cunt, spic, mick, wop, asshole, scumbag, etc...) that are not appropriate for the workplace.



However, I stand by my comparisons. Black friends and family members use that word all the time, almost entirely with affection. I have also been called "nigger", mainly by racist Italians and Irish on the streets of New York, as a threat and a provacation. To ME, there is a BIG difference, based on the context and intent.

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jjhunsecker said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

If nigga is the same as ni&&er, which it is, the poison of the word still remains.

It is confusion. Too many times I've had to pull young black dudes to the side at work about that word in the work place
A black man fighting another black man with the intent to do harm will still call him 'nigga' while throwing blows

I agree that it is a word, like many words, (like bitch, tits, dick, pussy, cunt, spic, mick, wop, asshole, scumbag, etc...) that are not appropriate for the workplace.



However, I stand by my comparisons. Black friends and family members use that word all the time, almost entirely with affection. I have also been called "nigger", mainly by racist Italians and Irish on the streets of New York, as a threat and a provacation. To ME, there is a BIG difference, based on the context and intent.

Sorry I must have been editing my post when you were replying

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Reply #201 posted 01/24/18 10:11am

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To be fair, we all did evolve from primates.

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Reply #202 posted 01/24/18 10:11am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

jjhunsecker said:

I personally have no problem with a fellow Black person saying to me "What's up, my nigga ?"

I DO have a problem with a non-White person saying "Hey nigger, what are you doing here", or "A bunch of niggers moved next door".

Context, and WHO says something, and WHY they are saying matters.


So, a Black mother calling HER kid a "monkey" in their personal home lives is NOT the same in my view as a multinational corporation putting a Black kid in a shirt labelling him a "monkey' for the whole world to see. Not comparible...

If nigga is the same as ni&&er, which it is, the poison of the word still remains.

It is confusion. Too many times I've had to pull young black dudes to the side at work about that word in the work place
A black man fighting another black man with the intent to do harm will still call him 'nigga' while throwing blows

.

the origin and intent of that word is EVIL, but certain black folk not matter what others thought of it said/pushed/preached that it taking the er off the end and adding a made it a term of endearment...

.

the monkey was never evil, just like the pig/swine, both intelligent. Both used as terms of endearment, pet names, that to this day I've heard every 'race' (race is evil too) use it toward their little ones or selves. Why not a brotha take the symbol of the monkey back? to the wonderfully pure creature it is?

Maybe if Sean John or roc-a-Wear did the shirts. Hard to see when an a company with an all-white Board of Directors and creative team is pushing it...

Or perhaps stuff like this is too burned into the psyches of most Black people (in America and out) to even let them consider it

https://www.google.com/se...DYJWoZJYXI

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Reply #203 posted 01/24/18 10:15am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



2elijah said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:



I would say it is an issue because of the history of 'animalizing' people of color. Calling a black person a monkey is saying that black people are less evolved and not human.

What is more interesting and smacks of total hypocrisy is how some insist this is clearly racist but some of them insist using a racial slur as an insult is not necessarily.... "that is not what he said! and if he said it he did not mean it. you just do not get the context. you are just mad you can not use it!"



Isn't this thread about the monkey slogan H&M advertised on the clothing a Black child was wearing? Not sure what this has to do with your opinion on another topic where others didn’t agree with you about, but you keep injecting it into other threads.



because some here are saying that if you do not agree the image is racist you are wrong when some of the main ones said when it suited them that there is a wider context to consider.

I tend to agree the photo is racist. I also see hypocrisy against those that do not. Someone suggested that another did not have the power to decide yet seems to have decided that it is.


Guess what? Everyone is not going to agree with you. You seeing hypocrisy in others’s views, because they don’t agree with you, doesn’t make your opinion right either. I don’t agree with many here, doesn’t mean they can’t have their own opinion on it. On this topic in particular I agree to disagree, because I chose to stick to my view on it.
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Reply #204 posted 01/24/18 10:24am

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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

because some here are saying that if you do not agree the image is racist you are wrong when some of the main ones said when it suited them that there is a wider context to consider.

I tend to agree the photo is racist. I also see hypocrisy against those that do not. Someone suggested that another did not have the power to decide yet seems to have decided that it is.

Guess what? Everyone is not going to agree with you.

it would suck if they did


You seeing hypocrisy in others’s views, because they don’t agree with you,


Wrong. I see it because it is clear

doesn’t make your opinion right either.

I agree.. it is called the law on non-contradiction.


I don’t agree with many here, doesn’t mean they can’t have their own opinion on it.

ahh but that is part of the issue... some want to insist this shirt is racist and context and intent be damned... but in other cases they cling to context and intent to excuse something even more universally regarded as racist.


On this topic in particular I agree to disagree, because I chose to stick to my view on it.



So you do not think the photo is a problem? I think it is. I think the use of the word monkey is very poor form.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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2elijah said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

because some here are saying that if you do not agree the image is racist you are wrong when some of the main ones said when it suited them that there is a wider context to consider.

I tend to agree the photo is racist. I also see hypocrisy against those that do not. Someone suggested that another did not have the power to decide yet seems to have decided that it is.

Guess what? Everyone is not going to agree with you. You seeing hypocrisy in others’s views, because they don’t agree with you, doesn’t make your opinion right either. I don’t agree with many here, doesn’t mean they can’t have their own opinion on it. On this topic in particular I agree to disagree, because I chose to stick to my view on it.

To him, it's only "hypocricy" when he misunderstands the nuance of the argument, or generally, wants to twist things to suit his own personal far-right wing agenda. Not every issue is "one size fits all"...

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to say the N-word is not racist but this photo is a double standard. you even use misogynistic slurs against his mother.

you have a double standard.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

to say the N-word is not racist but this photo is a double standard. you even use misogynistic slurs against his mother.




you have a double standard.



What I said was that words in themselves may or may not be racist- it's the intent and context that matter. So a black person saying "You're my nigger" is NOT the same as a non-black person saying "I'd never allow a nigger in my neighborhood ". It's not even the same fucking ballpark, and you'd be totally disingenuous not to acknowledge the difference.

And if you notice, I personally never said putting the child in that shirt in that ad was "racist ". I did wonder how stupid the company could be in doing so, and given the world wide history of comparing Black people to simians, could they be surprised at the reaction that they got. What next, a girl in a shirt with a mop and an oven on it ? Or how about an Arabic kid in a shirt with a bomb on it ?
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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

to say the N-word is not racist but this photo is a double standard. you even use misogynistic slurs against his mother.

you have a double standard.

What I said was that words in themselves may or may not be racist- it's the intent and context that matter. So a black person saying "You're my nigger" is NOT the same as a non-black person saying "I'd never allow a nigger in my neighborhood ". It's not even the same fucking ballpark, and you'd be totally disingenuous not to acknowledge the difference. And if you notice, I personally never said putting the child in that shirt in that ad was "racist ". I did wonder how stupid the company could be in doing so, and given the world wide history of comparing Black people to simians, could they be surprised at the reaction that they got. What next, a girl in a shirt with a mop and an oven on it ? Or how about an Arabic kid in a shirt with a bomb on it ?

Sorry brother, that is just sugar coating that Ni&&a is just a broken english way of saying Ni&&er.

It cannot be 'maybe' racist depending on the intent. The origin of the word was racist and evil. That is it's intent.

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OldFriends4Sale said:



jjhunsecker said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:

to say the N-word is not racist but this photo is a double standard. you even use misogynistic slurs against his mother.




you have a double standard.



What I said was that words in themselves may or may not be racist- it's the intent and context that matter. So a black person saying "You're my nigger" is NOT the same as a non-black person saying "I'd never allow a nigger in my neighborhood ". It's not even the same fucking ballpark, and you'd be totally disingenuous not to acknowledge the difference. And if you notice, I personally never said putting the child in that shirt in that ad was "racist ". I did wonder how stupid the company could be in doing so, and given the world wide history of comparing Black people to simians, could they be surprised at the reaction that they got. What next, a girl in a shirt with a mop and an oven on it ? Or how about an Arabic kid in a shirt with a bomb on it ?


Sorry brother, that is just sugar coating that Ni&&a is just a broken english way of saying Ni&&er.



It cannot be 'maybe' racist depending on the intent. The origin of the word was racist and evil. That is it's intent.





Sorry brother, that is just applying a "one size fits all" rule to every situation without regard to nuance or circumstances. Family and friends saying "nigga" to each other around the dinner table or in a barber shop is a LOT different, in every possible way, then a non-Black person saying "keep an eye out for any niggers in the area ".

Now, let me fire up my stereo and listen to "2 Nigs United for West Compton" and "Goldnigga" ...,
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