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Reply #90 posted 01/04/18 7:59am

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deebee said:

Not a "conspiracy" (that's more your area of interest, I fancy!), merely a reflection of a shared ideological position amongst these sources. By using the locution "in talks", as opposed to, say, "made a daft speech about", these sources indicate that they're either a) the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, or b) savvy, but gearing their coverage towards the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, which suggests a certain position image of how the world works, what we should be concerned about, etc - all of which is the stuff of particular political positions.

In truth, I'm not arsed about where anyone sources the content of a post from - everyone gets their ideas from somewhere, after all - I'm only keen to locate it somewhere on the political map, as this faddish "I'm not left or right" thing I hear internet kids saying these days is a particular bugbear of mine. In reality, how people see the world, what they think are the key moving parts, what they believe we ought to push for or push against, and why they that is right, etc, are all the things that give their politics a particular character, locating it somewhere on the political map. Unfortunately for some, this can sometimes be a goofy, paranoiac character that comes from listening to the rants of shouty Texans and/or their ilk.


- The CNS article, which I also linked to in the OP, used similar verbiage, but whatever.

- I'm not a "kid", nor part of a "fad", I realized that neither the democrats or the republicans represented me in the early 90's. If it's become a "fad" with the "kids" to move away from political extremes towards a balanced center, then GOOD. It's about time.

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Reply #91 posted 01/04/18 8:03am

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RodeoSchro said:

deebee said:

Not a "conspiracy" (that's more your area of interest, I fancy!), merely a reflection of a shared ideological position amongst these sources. By using the locution "in talks", as opposed to, say, "made a daft speech about", these sources indicate that they're either a) the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, or b) savvy, but gearing their coverage towards the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, which suggests a certain position image of how the world works, what we should be concerned about, etc - all of which is the stuff of particular political positions.

In truth, I'm not arsed about where anyone sources the content of a post from - everyone gets their ideas from somewhere, after all - I'm only keen to locate it somewhere on the political map, as this faddish "I'm not left or right" thing I hear internet kids saying these days is a particular bugbear of mine. In reality, how people see the world, what they think are the key moving parts, what they believe we ought to push for or push against, and why they that is right, etc, are all the things that give their politics a particular character, locating it somewhere on the political map. Unfortunately for some, this can sometimes be a goofy, paranoiac character that comes from listening to the rants of shouty Texans and/or their ilk.



LMAO not all us Texans are shouty!

Ha! I was thinking of one shouty Texan in particular....lol (though, to repeat, lest I be misrepresented, only as a metonym for a particular political ilk).

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Reply #92 posted 01/04/18 8:08am

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deebee said:

RodeoSchro said:



LMAO not all us Texans are shouty!

Ha! I was thinking of one shouty Texan in particular....lol (though, to repeat, lest I be misrepresented, only as a metonym for a particular political ilk).



thumbs up! Although to be fair, my wife and kids say I talk too loud. But I just want to be sure they hear my pearls of wisdom!

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Reply #93 posted 01/04/18 8:11am

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deebee said:

"Police what topics are allowed" lol

Where's my power to coerce? You're free to respond to anything I say or simply ignore it. I have no authority to "police" you. Honestly, whoever said your lot and the campus liberals were peas in a pod was onto something. I can't tell you how many times I've pulled my hair out as one of the latter parped on about someone "policing" them.

For example: https://everydayfeminism....privilege/ duh


Let's see, there was the thread about the increasing amount of hate crime hoaxes that you derailed by making it about shaming me for daring to discuss such a topic, suggesting that I was motivated by some imagined bigotry or a desire to downplay real hate crimes.

And here you've seemingly attempted to shame me for discussing this topic because Alex Jones also talked about it.

Maybe you should post a list of topics that only bigots and conspiracy theorists are allowed to discuss so I'll know what triggers you? lol

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Reply #94 posted 01/04/18 8:13am

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Fake hate crimes? Somebody is batty. What about the thousand of them since Trump?

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Reply #95 posted 01/04/18 8:18am

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

Not a "conspiracy" (that's more your area of interest, I fancy!), merely a reflection of a shared ideological position amongst these sources. By using the locution "in talks", as opposed to, say, "made a daft speech about", these sources indicate that they're either a) the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, or b) savvy, but gearing their coverage towards the sort of credulous right-wing libertarian loon who believes this is possible, which suggests a certain position image of how the world works, what we should be concerned about, etc - all of which is the stuff of particular political positions.

In truth, I'm not arsed about where anyone sources the content of a post from - everyone gets their ideas from somewhere, after all - I'm only keen to locate it somewhere on the political map, as this faddish "I'm not left or right" thing I hear internet kids saying these days is a particular bugbear of mine. In reality, how people see the world, what they think are the key moving parts, what they believe we ought to push for or push against, and why they that is right, etc, are all the things that give their politics a particular character, locating it somewhere on the political map. Unfortunately for some, this can sometimes be a goofy, paranoiac character that comes from listening to the rants of shouty Texans and/or their ilk.


- The CNS article, which I also linked to in the OP, used similar verbiage, but whatever.

- I'm not a "kid", nor part of a "fad", I realized that neither the democrats or the republicans represented me in the early 90's. If it's become a "fad" with the "kids" to move away from political extremes towards a balanced center, then GOOD. It's about time.

From the Wiki page on CNS: "CNSNews.com (formerly known as Cybercast News Service) is a politically conservative American news and commentary website .... CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain conservativenews.org."

The "I'm not left or right" thing doesn't mean the kids are moving beyond "political extremes" (whatever those might be) and towards a "balanced center" (whatever that is). Hell, the that's the Clintonite/Blairite status quo that Establishment politicians have been pushing for at least 20-25 years, which has only just been knocked off its perch. I think it probably does mean, "I'm not Democrat or Republican", which is promising. But, after that promising start, it just means, "I lack the political nous to know that that was always but a sliver of the whole spectrum" - and an increasingly narrow one in recent decades, as noted.

P.S. I use "kid" in a poetic sense, as in 'a credulous one who knows little'. Here's lookin' at you, kid. batting eyes

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Reply #96 posted 01/04/18 8:23am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Fake hate crimes? Somebody is batty. What about the thousand of them since Trump?


There he is! lol

Yes there are real hate crimes, and yes there have been a rash of "hate crimes" exposed as hoaxes perpetrated by the "victim" in recent months. Both things are true.

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Reply #97 posted 01/04/18 8:23am

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

"Police what topics are allowed" lol

Where's my power to coerce? You're free to respond to anything I say or simply ignore it. I have no authority to "police" you. Honestly, whoever said your lot and the campus liberals were peas in a pod was onto something. I can't tell you how many times I've pulled my hair out as one of the latter parped on about someone "policing" them.

For example: https://everydayfeminism....privilege/ duh


Let's see, there was the thread about the increasing amount of hate crime hoaxes that you derailed by making it about shaming me for daring to discuss such a topic, suggesting that I was motivated by some imagined bigotry or a desire to downplay real hate crimes.

And here you've seemingly attempted to shame me for discussing this topic because Alex Jones also talked about it.

Maybe you should post a list of topics that only bigots and conspiracy theorists are allowed to discuss so I'll know what triggers you? lol

The campus libs are always banging on about "shaming", too (e.g. https://everydayfeminism....g-phrases/). Peas in a pod, I tell ya!

Read my posts or don't; there are no obligations attached, and certainly no power to "police" anyone. You're freeeeeee to choose! bananadance

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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #98 posted 01/04/18 8:31am

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deebee said:

From the Wiki page on CNS: "CNSNews.com (formerly known as Cybercast News Service) is a politically conservative American news and commentary website .... CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain conservativenews.org."

The "I'm not left or right" thing doesn't mean the kids are moving beyond "political extremes" (whatever those might be) and towards a "balanced center" (whatever that is). Hell, the that's the Clintonite/Blairite status quo that Establishment politicians have been pushing for at least 20-25 years, which has only just been knocked off its perch. I think it probably does mean, "I'm not Democrat or Republican", which is promising. But, after that promising start, it just means, "I lack the political nous to know that that was always but a sliver of the whole spectrum" - and an increasingly narrow one in recent decades, as noted.

P.S. I use "kid" in a poetic sense, as in 'a credulous one who knows little'. Here's lookin' at you, kid. batting eyes


I know more than a "little". I know that neither the democrats nor the republicans are interested in ending the War On Drugs. I know that both the democrats and the republicans engage in military actions in the name of regime change and nation building. I know that neither the democrats nor the republicans have made any strides to dismantle the prison industrial complex in an effort to reduce our abysmal prison population. I know that both the democrats and republicans are beholden to wallstreet and the 1%. And so on, and so on...

But, if you believe that one "side" or the other will solve these problems and make the world a better place, then by all means, cheer on your favorite "team" and hate on your "opponents". That is after all the paradigm we're programmed to believe in. wink

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #99 posted 01/04/18 8:35am

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deebee said:

djThunderfunk said:


Let's see, there was the thread about the increasing amount of hate crime hoaxes that you derailed by making it about shaming me for daring to discuss such a topic, suggesting that I was motivated by some imagined bigotry or a desire to downplay real hate crimes.

And here you've seemingly attempted to shame me for discussing this topic because Alex Jones also talked about it.

Maybe you should post a list of topics that only bigots and conspiracy theorists are allowed to discuss so I'll know what triggers you? lol

The campus libs are always banging on about "shaming", too (e.g. https://everydayfeminism....g-phrases/). Peas in a pod, I tell ya!

Read my posts or don't; there are no obligations attached, and certainly no power to "police" anyone. You're freeeeeee to choose! bananadance

[Edited 1/4/18 8:24am]


So now I'm being compared to "campus libs"?!? falloff lol lol
Since so many here believe I'm down with the alt-right, I suppose that's different at least...

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Reply #100 posted 01/04/18 8:36am

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MATT DUBIEL: CHEMTRAILS OVER CHICAGO
Many major cities across the country are experiencing the same thing
David Knight | Infowars.com - NOVEMBER 28, 2017

: https://www.infowars.com/...r-chicago/
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I wonder if those people waiting in line at the restaurant have touched on something re: covert psychochemical poisoning in black urban areas
ALSO: https://www.zerohedge.com...xperiments

(the following quote is from about the 6th paragraph)
American Horror Story: The Shameful Truth About The Government's Secret Experiments

Tue, 05/10/2016 - 23:05
So when so-called conspiracy theoristsโ€”including the late rock musician Prince and civil rights activist Dick Gregoryโ€”suggest that those streaks crisscrossing the sky are chemtrails laced with behavior-modifying chemicals, you might want to tamp down on that kneejerk reaction that chalks them up as nuts. After all, the government has done it before, lacing the fog over San Francisco with bioweapons (delivered by Navy ships moored nearby). In fact, not that long ago, the Obama administration declared by way of executive order that federal agencies are now authorized to conduct behavioral experiments on U.S. citizens in order to advance government initiatives?

while I'm aware the above quote is from a blog there are many factual findings from the author of this article..
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Reply #101 posted 01/04/18 11:07am

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djThunderfunk said:

deebee said:

From the Wiki page on CNS: "CNSNews.com (formerly known as Cybercast News Service) is a politically conservative American news and commentary website .... CNSNews.com was founded by L. Brent Bozell III on June 16, 1998, under the name Conservative News Service and the domain conservativenews.org."

The "I'm not left or right" thing doesn't mean the kids are moving beyond "political extremes" (whatever those might be) and towards a "balanced center" (whatever that is). Hell, the that's the Clintonite/Blairite status quo that Establishment politicians have been pushing for at least 20-25 years, which has only just been knocked off its perch. I think it probably does mean, "I'm not Democrat or Republican", which is promising. But, after that promising start, it just means, "I lack the political nous to know that that was always but a sliver of the whole spectrum" - and an increasingly narrow one in recent decades, as noted.

P.S. I use "kid" in a poetic sense, as in 'a credulous one who knows little'. Here's lookin' at you, kid. batting eyes


I know more than a "little". I know that neither the democrats nor the republicans are interested in ending the War On Drugs. I know that both the democrats and the republicans engage in military actions in the name of regime change and nation building. I know that neither the democrats nor the republicans have made any strides to dismantle the prison industrial complex in an effort to reduce our abysmal prison population. I know that both the democrats and republicans are beholden to wallstreet and the 1%. And so on, and so on...

But, if you believe that one "side" or the other will solve these problems and make the world a better place, then by all means, cheer on your favorite "team" and hate on your "opponents". That is after all the paradigm we're programmed to believe in. wink

...You know the blue helmets are coming. You know the black helicopters can't be far behind.... lol

Ah, I jest, I jest. wink I think that first paragraph is essentially correct. That's why I say it's a narrow sliver of the entire field of possible political positions we could potentially map. The fact that it's so common today to hear people saying they see no difference between, and no point in, any political descriptors at all is premised on that fact of the particular times in which we've been living, I would say. 'Culture' has been the only ground on which parties now differ, hence its all-encompassing status in what passes for political debate. The space of electoral politics - always narrow - has contracted further around a status quo, presented as 'moderate', which includes all of the features described!

That's also why I don't go in for any talk of some cosy 'centre ground' we might all hope to reach, because that's precisely the status quo we've been living through: the era of 'Third Way' parties and politicians who've gone along with all of that rampant inequality and repression at home, and militaristic imperialism abroad. I have no truck with any idea that that so-called 'centrist' politics can credibly be cast as an alternative to "extremism."

But, in my view, we do need some way of describing differences in how people think the society is and what makes it tick in the way that it does; what they think we ought and ought not to aim for politically; and how they think we can best achieve that. Terms like Left and Right are ultimately an imperfect shorthand for that - though we could go back and start from first principles. There may be greater complexity than those terms suggest at their most basic (e.g. more than one axis on which we could array different positions), but, in that case, we need better ways of describing the whole field of differences in outlook, not a retreat from trying to do that.

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Reply #102 posted 01/04/18 11:19am

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deebee said:

...You know the blue helmets are coming. You know the black helicopters can't be far behind.... lol

Ah, I jest, I jest. wink I think that first paragraph is essentially correct. That's why I say it's a narrow sliver of the entire field of possible political positions we could potentially map. The fact that it's so common today to hear people saying they see no difference between, and no point in, any political descriptors at all is premised on that fact of the particular times in which we've been living, I would say. 'Culture' has been the only ground on which parties now differ, hence its all-encompassing status in what passes for political debate. The space of electoral politics - always narrow - has contracted further around a status quo, presented as 'moderate', which includes all of the features described!

That's also why I don't go in for any talk of some cosy 'centre ground' we might all hope to reach, because that's precisely the status quo we've been living through: the era of 'Third Way' parties and politicians who've gone along with all of that rampant inequality and repression at home, and militaristic imperialism abroad. I have no truck with any idea that that so-called 'centrist' politics can credibly be cast as an alternative to "extremism."

But, in my view, we do need some way of describing differences in how people think the society is and what makes it tick in the way that it does; what they think we ought and ought not to aim for politically; and how they think we can best achieve that. Terms like Left and Right are ultimately an imperfect shorthand for that - though we could go back and start from first principles. There may be greater complexity than those terms suggest at their most basic (e.g. more than one axis on which we could array different positions), but, in that case, we need better ways of describing the whole field of differences in outlook, not a retreat from trying to do that.


Fair enough. That's why I don't really prefer terms like centrist myself. I'd much rather give my opinions issue by issue, based on my values and morals, aligning with no partisan preselected "sides". Alas, "imperfect shorthand" is usually the expedient way to go.


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Reply #103 posted 01/04/18 12:42pm

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Deebee said

You know the blue helmets are coming. You know the black helicopters can't be far behind.... lol


to tell the truth due to a very bizzy schedule, the term "blue helmet" has no history in my dats bank. ๐Ÿค“ I checked out the posted video.
Man...๐Ÿค”

dang, they look xerious/serious. the word xenomorphe comes to mind. looks like some kind of neo reality.
one might bet on the largest possibilities if and when they do enter this "high crime" area they will be wearing helmets..
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Reply #104 posted 01/04/18 12:51pm

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deebee said:

But, in my view, we do need some way of describing differences in how people think the society is and what makes it tick in the way that it does; what they think we ought and ought not to aim for politically; and how they think we can best achieve that.

It's so difficult to slot ideas and perspectives into any types of boxes as we all have such a vast array of perspectives based on our life experiences so far. I'm not even sure how you'd begin to create alternative ways of describing differences - there are so many factors at work that affect our thinking: age, gender, education, career, wealth, geographics (to name but a few). However, it's an interesting question asking what we ought to aim for politically, and how it can be achieved - I'm not even sure how I would answer that without sounding like I'm just spouting sentimental guff.



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Reply #105 posted 01/05/18 9:30am

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This thread makes my head hurt.

There is NO WAY that U.N. Peacekeepers are going to patrol an American city anytime soon.

Chicago may need to take a cue from Rudy Guliani's playbook on getting crime down in a major city.

By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory!
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