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Thread started 11/13/17 11:59am

Monarch

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Another look at the Satanic Panic

As a child of the 80s, I remember to a degree the daytime talks shows covering things like satanic influences in metel. Becoming a Prince fan I soon learn about the concept of backmasking. Very interesting examples of potential satanic links pop up with listening to Stairway to Heaven backwards & David Bowie himself calling rock music the devil's music. Even to this day you can find African American pastors exposing satanic influence within the current hip hop industry.

So was this a situation of moral panic? Was this an example of media corporations trying to cash in on the fears of white Anglo Saxon Protestants (however recent trends kinda throw a monkey wrench in that school of thought)? Sometimes these sensational stories can begin with a grain of Truth, but like any social movement, usually gets hijacked & manipulated to serve corporate purposes.

A few facts to consider: Many early hard rock icons tell similar stories about people giving them Allistar Crowley (sorry if I'm misspelling that) books. Black Sabbath wrote a really good song discussing Crowley. Black Sabbath also wrote the song "Black Sabbath" based on a vision seen by a band member. Bowie also read Crowley & there is a story about a demon in his pool causing him to sell the house. Initially I chalked this up to drug use, however his wife saw something too in the pool. Levay (the founder of the satanic church) actively recruited high profile talent from Hollywood and the music industry. Several of which were open about it. One of the individuals who ended up on one of these talk shows said they particularly wanted to recruit the top echelon of society. That satanism is actually an elitist organization. It's also come out via recordings of Levay that the usual "Satan is a force not a person" schtick is a teaching for the lower levels of adherents.

So is the media-industtial-complex spreading satanism & corrupting our youth? There is no evidence that the American Church of Satan organization is trying to rule the world per say. However, it does seem there is evidence of attempts @ influence by corporate agents. agent for whatever reason you want to make of it. Does Marilyn Manson want to destroy your children? No, Marilyn Manson wants to make records. However the Levay church approaching him is evidence of wanting influence.

Much of the current conspiracy research being done now is less focused on the Levayen church & more focused on the social & spiritual intent of the current power elite in the world. The current ideas center around things like pop & movie icons can be used as "useful idiots" for what is called "social engineering" to serve the purposes for the elite class. Religion is a real problem in Western society from the purpose of the oligarchs of the world. Because none of us are flies on the wall in the dining rooms of the top 1% of the planet we have no idea of the real structure of power in the world. The Bible claims all of this was going to happen anyways. I do not understand sometimes the reaction of some Christians... I mean you read Daniel and Revalations didn't you? The Bible does not paint a picture of a red horned 😈 who lives in hell. The Bible was pretty clear Lucifer is an angel of light who desired worship & wants to take God's place. This current world system is just as the Bible predicted for Lucifer to set up his kingdom on Earth & YAHWEH & Christians are an offence in his sight.

There are 2 choices in life. The Bible says Lucifer comes to steal, kill & Destroy. Jesus came offering eternal life. What do you want, pain or love?
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Reply #1 posted 11/13/17 12:52pm

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Here is, IMHO, a good explanation of the core ideology that drives those who occupy the most powerful and influential institutions (government, media, entertainment, banking, corporations, etc.) of our society/world:

^ skip to around 4:18

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Reply #2 posted 11/13/17 2:07pm

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If I was falling off a cliff and needed a hand up, and Roy Moore and Anton LaVey were both hanging out at the top of the ledge, and I only had enough breath left to call out to one of them for help, I would absolutely call out to Anton LaVey.

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Because he's dead, so if I saw him walking around, I would be pretty convinced he could help me out.

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Reply #3 posted 11/13/17 2:10pm

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Oh yeah Black Sabbath was seen in a vision... by everyone in Birmingham, England who went to the movie palace that day for the Boris Karloff Festival.

There are plenty of honest reasons to complain about rock and roll morals, you don't need to make stuff up.

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Reply #4 posted 11/13/17 2:16pm

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bobzilla77 said:

Oh yeah Black Sabbath was seen in a vision... by everyone in Birmingham, England who went to the movie palace that day for the Boris Karloff Festival.


There are plenty of honest reasons to complain about rock and roll morals, you don't need to make stuff up.




I saw an interview of Ozzy giving the account. If he was just screwing with us, then so be it. But I'm not making something up to mislead you
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Reply #5 posted 11/13/17 2:18pm

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And not once did I debate any morals from rock and roll
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Reply #6 posted 11/13/17 2:41pm

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Don't play your records backwards. It's bad for them. Use an audio editing program like SoundForge or Audacity to play digital files backwards instead. wink

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #7 posted 11/13/17 2:50pm

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Do you remember the child abuse accusations of the 80s that were in the USA and Europe? They were connected to this Satanic Panic as well

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Reply #8 posted 11/13/17 9:51pm

gimmesomehornz

bobzilla77 said:

Oh yeah Black Sabbath was seen in a vision... by everyone in Birmingham, England who went to the movie palace that day for the Boris Karloff Festival.

There are plenty of honest reasons to complain about rock and roll morals, you don't need to make stuff up.

Oh, the Rock industry is into some Satan, don't kid yourself. The Led Zeppelin guitarist went and bought Alister Crowely's old house. And today there's Madonna...

... and Katy Perry:

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Reply #9 posted 11/14/17 7:28am

luvsexy4all

black sabbath was NOT a satanic band.....they only dabbled in the 90's after everyone accused them

for so many years

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Reply #10 posted 11/14/17 7:30am

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luvsexy4all said:

black sabbath was NOT a satanic band.....they only dabbled in the 90's after everyone accused them

for so many years


Some of Ozzy's Black Sabbath lyrics that are labeled "satanic" are actually from a Christian point of view.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #11 posted 11/14/17 9:00am

Dasein

Monarch said:

There are 2 choices in life.


No, there's not!

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Reply #12 posted 11/14/17 9:02am

luvsexy4all

Dasein said:

Monarch said:

There are 2 choices in life.


No, there's not!

light or dark...no grey..unless u worship some furry animal

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Reply #13 posted 11/14/17 9:07am

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luvsexy4all said:

Dasein said:


No, there's not!

light or dark...no grey..unless u worship some furry animal

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

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Reply #14 posted 11/14/17 9:22am

Dasein

luvsexy4all said:

Dasein said:


No, there's not!

light or dark...no grey..unless u worship some furry animal


The fact that you understand the concept of grey means you acknowledge the existence and
meaning of it. Just because you say "no grey" doesn't mean grey then doesn't exist or doesn't
exist in my worldview which means I must worship something wholly unlike what you worship.


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Reply #15 posted 11/14/17 9:27am

Dasein

luvsexy4all said:

Dasein said:


No, there's not!

light or dark...no grey..unless u worship some furry animal


And might I add that cosmologically and astronomically speaking, darkness is primary. Most of
the "stuff" of our reality and universe is dark energy and dark matter (places where light is unob-
served) so using the analogy of "light" and "darkness" to represent "good" and "evil" respectively
is done in error sometimes.


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Reply #16 posted 11/14/17 9:36am

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I did this a while back with those great NY Times videos. Even liberals fell for it. You had false stories of Satanic crimes and baby killings all over. The media was littered with it.

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Reply #17 posted 11/14/17 9:37am

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A Satanist tends to just be a uber libertarian.

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Reply #18 posted 11/14/17 11:51am

gimmesomehornz

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A Satanist tends to just be a uber libertarian.

Do you just spew verbal diarrhea from thread to thread?

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Reply #19 posted 11/14/17 1:00pm

Dasein

gimmesomehornz said:

2freaky4church1 said:

A Satanist tends to just be a uber libertarian.

Do you just spew verbal diarrhea from thread to thread?


Wait . . .

. . . don't you go to that school too?

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Reply #20 posted 11/14/17 1:21pm

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gimmesomehornz said:



2freaky4church1 said:


A Satanist tends to just be a uber libertarian.



Do you just spew verbal diarrhea from thread to thread?


Oh, the irony...
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Reply #21 posted 11/14/17 3:28pm

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rolleyes

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Reply #22 posted 11/14/17 3:30pm

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http://www.churchofsatan.com/nine-satanic-statements.php

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Reply #23 posted 11/14/17 4:51pm

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djThunderfunk said:

luvsexy4all said:

black sabbath was NOT a satanic band.....they only dabbled in the 90's after everyone accused them

for so many years


Some of Ozzy's Black Sabbath lyrics that are labeled "satanic" are actually from a Christian point of view.

Indeed, very Christian point of view. Besides their clothing not very satanic.

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Reply #24 posted 11/14/17 5:26pm

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luvsexy4all said:

black sabbath was NOT a satanic band.....they only dabbled in the 90's after everyone accused them

for so many years

Yep, they weren't. They did have some of the imagery, but they weren't satanist.

Briefly Geezer Butler was into the occult, until he supposedly came into contact with a entity that he thought was the devil. That scared him so much that he distanced himself from it(the occult). Also Geezer wrote the majority of Sabbath's lyrics.



A good book on Sabbath's history is Black Sabbath: Symptom of the Universe.

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The McMartin preschool trial was a day care sexual abuse case in the 1980s, prosecuted by the Los Angeles District Attorney Ira Reiner. Members of the McMartin family, who operated a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California, were charged with numerous acts of sexual abuse of children in their care. Accusations were made in 1983. Arrests and the pretrial investigation ran from 1984 to 1987, and the trial ran from 1987 to 1990. After six years of criminal trials, no convictions were obtained, and all charges were dropped in 1990. When the trial ended in 1990, it had been the longest and most expensive criminal trial in American history.[1] The case was part of day-care sex-abuse hysteria, a moral panic over alleged Satanic ritual abuse in the 1980s and early 1990s.

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In 1983, Judy Johnson, mother of one of the Manhattan Beach, California, preschool's young students, reported to the police that her son had been sodomized by her estranged husband and by McMartin teacher Ray Buckey.[2][3] Ray Buckey was the grandson of school founder Virginia McMartin and son of administrator Peggy McMartin Buckey. Johnson's belief that her son had been abused began when her son had painful bowel movements. What happened next is still disputed. Some sources state that at that time, Johnson's son denied her suggestion that his preschool teachers had molested him, whereas others say he confirmed the abuse.[2][4]

In addition, Johnson also made several more accusations, including that people at the daycare had sexual encounters with animals, that "Peggy drilled a child under the arms" and "Ray flew in the air."[1][5] Ray Buckey was questioned, but was not prosecuted due to lack of evidence. The police then sent a form letter to about 200 parents of students at the McMartin school, stating that their children might have been abused, and asking the parents to question their children. The text of the letter read:[2]

September 8, 1983. Dear Parent: This Department is conducting a criminal investigation involving child molestation (288 P.C.) Ray Buckey, an employee of Virginia McMartin's Pre-School, was arrested September 7, 1983 by this Department. The following procedure is obviously an unpleasant one, but to protect the rights of your children as well as the rights of the accused, this inquiry is necessary for a complete investigation. Records indicate that your child has been or is currently a student at the pre-school. We are asking your assistance in this continuing investigation. Please question your child to see if he or she has been a witness to any crime or if he or she has been a victim. Our investigation indicates that possible criminal acts include: oral sex, fondling of genitals, buttock or chest area, and sodomy, possibly committed under the pretense of "taking the child's temperature." Also photos may have been taken of children without their clothing. Any information from your child regarding having ever observed Ray Buckey to leave a classroom alone with a child during any nap period, or if they have ever observed Ray Buckey tie up a child, is important. Please complete the enclosed information form and return it to this Department in the enclosed stamped return envelope as soon as possible. We will contact you if circumstances dictate same. We ask you to please keep this investigation strictly confidential because of the nature of the charges and the highly emotional effect it could have on our community. Please do not discuss this investigation with anyone outside your immediate family. Do not contact or discuss the investigation with Raymond Buckey, any member of the accused defendant's family, or employees connected with the McMartin Pre-School

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On March 22, 1984, Virginia McMartin, Peggy McMartin Buckey, Ray Buckey, Ray's sister Peggy Ann Buckey and teachers Mary Ann Jackson, Betty Raidor, and Babette Spitler were charged with 115 counts of child abuse, later expanded to 321 counts of child abuse involving 48 children

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In 1990, after three years of testimony and nine weeks of deliberation by the jury, Peggy McMartin Buckey was acquitted on all counts.[9] Ray Buckey was cleared on 52 of 65 counts, and freed on bail after more than five years in jail. Nine of 11 jurors at a press conference following the trial stated that they believed the children had been molested but the evidence did not allow them to state who had committed the abuse beyond a reasonable doubt.[28] Eleven out of the thirteen jurors who remained by the end of the trial voted to acquit Buckey of the charges; the refusal of the remaining two to vote for a not guilty verdict resulted in the deadlock. The media overwhelmingly focused on the two jurors who voted guilty at the expense of those who believed Buckey was not guilty.[29] Buckey was retried later on six of the 13 counts, which produced another hung jury. The prosecution then gave up trying to obtain a conviction, and the case was closed with all charges against Ray Buckey dismissed. He had been jailed for five years without ever being convicted of any wrongdoing

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The media coverage was generally skewed towards an uncritical acceptance of the prosecution's viewpoint.[4]David Shaw of the Los Angeles Times wrote a series of articles, which later won the Pulitzer Prize, discussing the flawed and skewed coverage presented by his own paper on the trial.[31] It was only after the trial that coverage of the flaws in the evidence and events presented by witnesses and the prosecution were discussed.[4]

Wayne Satz, at the time a reporter for the Los Angeles ABC affiliate television station KABC, reported on the case and the children's allegations. He presented an unchallenged view of the children's and parents' claims.[32] Satz later entered into a romantic relationship with Kee MacFarlane, the social worker at the Children's Institute International, who was interviewing the children.[32] Another instance of media conflict of interest occurred when David Rosenzweig, the editor at the Los Angeles Times overseeing the coverage, became engaged to marry Lael Rubin, the prosecutor

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The trial lasted seven years and cost $15 million,[33] the longest and most expensive criminal case in the history of the United States legal system, and ultimately resulted in no convictions.[1][3][21] The McMartin preschool was closed and the building was dismantled; several of the accused have since died. In 2005, one of the children (as an adult) retracted the allegations of abuse.[16][34]

Never did anyone do anything to me, and I never saw them doing anything. I said a lot of things that didn't happen. I lied. … Anytime I would give them an answer that they didn't like, they would ask again and encourage me to give them the answer they were looking for. … I felt uncomfortable and a little ashamed that I was being dishonest. But at the same time, being the type of person I was, whatever my parents wanted me to do, I would do

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

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Reply #26 posted 11/14/17 5:54pm

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^^ I remember all that. It was a crazy time but it prompted education in schools, at least here in SoCal. It was drilled into kid's heads about nobody having the right to touch them.

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Reply #27 posted 11/14/17 7:41pm

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Sensationalism plays well. OG click bait. Same thing, diffrent day.
"journalism" has always been shades of yellow and BS.

Facebook is for losers.
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Reply #28 posted 11/15/17 7:46am

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That's why we like the Roy Moore, Weinstein stuff. We love shootings, we love terrorism. It gives us 24 hour free coverage. We don't have to do actual reporting like Yemen and the ethnic cleansing in Burma.

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Reply #29 posted 11/15/17 5:10pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

That's why we like the Roy Moore, Weinstein stuff. We love shootings, we love terrorism. It gives us 24 hour free coverage. We don't have to do actual reporting like Yemen and the ethnic cleansing in Burma.

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