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Reply #30 posted 11/09/17 11:58am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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I get you. It is not my fault your comment does not stand up to analyse

We were discussing race within a western and european context. Which is also how my racial identity is actually constructed (through slavery) so I can't really speak on Chinese-Indo relations in Malayasia, that is not my experience nor is it relevant to this discussion about "race and immigration in western and European nations" You could discuss your friends experience with racism in Australia as it relates to this discussion. I'm done though. . [Edited 11/9/17 5:52am]

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I did - It is less than what she experienced in Malaysia (but not non-existent) and the degree of racsim is not determined by her non-whiteness or her level of brownness, but by her non-Anglo-ness.

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This directly relates to the topic because, just as in Europe, the UK voted to leave the EU on the back of those who hate primarily white immigration fom within the EU by non-Anglos. Just as there is a long history of racism against the less brown Middle Eastern people from Turkey or the white Slavs in Germany, And in Austraila those less brown from Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Iran are more likely to be racially vilified than those from South Sudan or Somalia.

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The degree of racism in the West is not based on the level of brownness, but just as everywhere else on the basis of a racial or ethnic group being considered different.

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Reply #31 posted 11/09/17 12:30pm

ThatWhiteDude

IanRG said:

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said: We were discussing race within a western and european context. Which is also how my racial identity is actually constructed (through slavery) so I can't really speak on Chinese-Indo relations in Malayasia, that is not my experience nor is it relevant to this discussion about "race and immigration in western and European nations" You could discuss your friends experience with racism in Australia as it relates to this discussion. I'm done though. . [Edited 11/9/17 5:52am]

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I did - It is less than what she experienced in Malaysia (but not non-existent) and the degree of racsim is not determined by her non-whiteness or her level of brownness, but by her non-Anglo-ness.

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This directly relates to the topic because, just as in Europe, the UK voted to leave the EU on the back of those who hate primarily white immigration fom within the EU by non-Anglos. Just as there is a long history of racism against the less brown Middle Eastern people from Turkey or the white Slavs in Germany, And in Austraila those less brown from Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Iran are more likely to be racially vilified than those from South Sudan or Somalia.

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The degree of racism in the West is not based on the level of brownness, but just as everywhere else on the basis of a racial or ethnic group being considered different.

That is just not true, I don't know how often I have to repeat this. I witness this everyday, but I have never wintessed the same animosity against white immigrants.

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Reply #32 posted 11/09/17 12:50pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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I did - It is less than what she experienced in Malaysia (but not non-existent) and the degree of racsim is not determined by her non-whiteness or her level of brownness, but by her non-Anglo-ness.

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This directly relates to the topic because, just as in Europe, the UK voted to leave the EU on the back of those who hate primarily white immigration fom within the EU by non-Anglos. Just as there is a long history of racism against the less brown Middle Eastern people from Turkey or the white Slavs in Germany, And in Austraila those less brown from Afghanistan, Iraq, India or Iran are more likely to be racially vilified than those from South Sudan or Somalia.

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The degree of racism in the West is not based on the level of brownness, but just as everywhere else on the basis of a racial or ethnic group being considered different.

That is just not true, I don't know how often I have to repeat this. I witness this everyday, but I have never wintessed the same animosity against white immigrants.

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Merely repeating your personal experience as if it must represent eveyone's reality and failing to address the things I discussed does not make you right. It does not make what you say true. Explain the Brexit vote in Europe, explain the long lerm animosity in Germany against the Slavs and Turks.

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Repeating yourself over and over and over achieves nothing. Why are less brown Middle Eastern Iranian and Iraqi immigrants treated with more animosity than Sudanese and Somalian immigrants?

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Reply #33 posted 11/09/17 1:21pm

ThatWhiteDude

IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

That is just not true, I don't know how often I have to repeat this. I witness this everyday, but I have never wintessed the same animosity against white immigrants.

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Merely repeating your personal experience as if it must represent eveyone's reality and failing to address the things I discussed does not make you right. It does not make what you say true. Explain the Brexit vote in Europe, explain the long lerm animosity in Germany against the Slavs and Turks.

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Repeating yourself over and over and over achieves nothing. Why are less brown Middle Eastern Iranian and Iraqi immigrants treated with more animosity than Sudanese and Somalian immigrants?

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS GOING ON IN GERMANY!!! GOD DAMMIT THE VAST MAJORITY IN GERMANY IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR, HOW OFTEN DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS AND THAT THE NUMBERS INCREASE ON A DAILY BASIS. I LIVE IN GERMANY AND I WITNESS IT. RACIST BEGIN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH AGAIN TO FUCKING WALK THE STREETS. AND THEY ARE EVEN GUARDED BY THE FUCKING POLICE WHILE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THEM GET BRUTALLY HIT BY THE POLICE.

I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS, THE VOTERS ARE GREEDY WHINY BITCHES ANYWAYS.

I CAN TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE TREATED WORSE, BECAUSE THE RACISTS WHO ALREADY HATE BROWN PEOPLE HATE MIXED PEOPLE (OR PEOPLE WHO LOOK MIXED) EVEN MORE.

FOR THE RECORD, LESS BROWN DOESN'T MEAN WHITE.

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Reply #34 posted 11/09/17 1:38pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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Merely repeating your personal experience as if it must represent eveyone's reality and failing to address the things I discussed does not make you right. It does not make what you say true. Explain the Brexit vote in Europe, explain the long lerm animosity in Germany against the Slavs and Turks.

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Repeating yourself over and over and over achieves nothing. Why are less brown Middle Eastern Iranian and Iraqi immigrants treated with more animosity than Sudanese and Somalian immigrants?

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS GOING ON IN GERMANY!!! GOD DAMMIT THE VAST MAJORITY IN GERMANY IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR, HOW OFTEN DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS AND THAT THE NUMBERS INCREASE ON A DAILY BASIS. I LIVE IN GERMANY AND I WITNESS IT. RACIST BEGIN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH AGAIN TO FUCKING WALK THE STREETS. AND THEY ARE EVEN GUARDED BY THE FUCKING POLICE WHILE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THEM GET BRUTALLY HIT BY THE POLICE.

I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS, THE VOTERS ARE GREEDY WHINY BITCHES ANYWAYS.

I CAN TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE TREATED WORSE, BECAUSE THE RACISTS WHO ALREADY HATE BROWN PEOPLE HATE MIXED PEOPLE (OR PEOPLE WHO LOOK MIXED) EVEN MORE.

FOR THE RECORD, LESS BROWN DOESN'T MEAN WHITE.

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Showing your racism against the Brits is hardly a good defence. For the record, it was you who raised increasing brown -> increasing racism, I have arguing against your thesis. I am glad that you now realise your thesis is silly enough to yell against. As a German you really should not ignore the long term animosity against Turks, white Slavs and Jews in Germany. Remember what cannot be described as mere increasing animosity around the middle of last century?

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Reply #35 posted 11/09/17 2:25pm

ThatWhiteDude

IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT IS GOING ON IN GERMANY!!! GOD DAMMIT THE VAST MAJORITY IN GERMANY IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE IMMIGRANTS BECAUSE OF THEIR COLOR, HOW OFTEN DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THAT I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS AND THAT THE NUMBERS INCREASE ON A DAILY BASIS. I LIVE IN GERMANY AND I WITNESS IT. RACIST BEGIN TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ENOUGH AGAIN TO FUCKING WALK THE STREETS. AND THEY ARE EVEN GUARDED BY THE FUCKING POLICE WHILE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING AGAINST THEM GET BRUTALLY HIT BY THE POLICE.

I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS, THE VOTERS ARE GREEDY WHINY BITCHES ANYWAYS.

I CAN TELL YOU WHY THEY ARE TREATED WORSE, BECAUSE THE RACISTS WHO ALREADY HATE BROWN PEOPLE HATE MIXED PEOPLE (OR PEOPLE WHO LOOK MIXED) EVEN MORE.

FOR THE RECORD, LESS BROWN DOESN'T MEAN WHITE.

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Showing your racism against the Brits is hardly a good defence. For the record, it was you who raised increasing brown -> increasing racism, I have arguing against your thesis. I am glad that you now realise your thesis is silly enough to yell against. As a German you really should not ignore the long term animosity against Turks, white Slavs and Jews in Germany. Remember what cannot be described as mere increasing animosity around the middle of last century?

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Show me at what point I was racist against the brits. I was talking about those who voted for the brexit and I didn't insult them because of their skin color or ethnicity.

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Reply #36 posted 11/09/17 2:56pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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Showing your racism against the Brits is hardly a good defence. For the record, it was you who raised increasing brown -> increasing racism, I have arguing against your thesis. I am glad that you now realise your thesis is silly enough to yell against. As a German you really should not ignore the long term animosity against Turks, white Slavs and Jews in Germany. Remember what cannot be described as mere increasing animosity around the middle of last century?

[Edited 11/9/17 13:43pm]

Show me at what point I was racist against the brits. I was talking about those who voted for the brexit and I didn't insult them because of their skin color or ethnicity.

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You yelled "I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS". You denied their European-ness when you retreated from your global comment to being only meant to being applied to Europeans and not the examples I gave - including Brexit. You dismiss their views on the basis of your perception that they are greedy and whiny on the basis of their ethnicity and views.

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You are only doing this because it shows that people are racist against others and this is not driven just by the shade of brown - They voted against primarily white immigration from primarily white European countries.

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This still fails to address that Germany has a long and ongoing animosity against people who are just as white as the Russians - the Slavs and European Jews. This animosity has at times been far, far worse than occurs today.

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As I said - People who are against immigration are against immigration for far more reasons than the shade of brown. I have demonstrated this with a number of examples. What is happening in Germany today may well be targetted against a group today but your country has targeted against many other groups of all colours in its history: Ask a Pole.

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Reply #37 posted 11/09/17 4:05pm

ThatWhiteDude

IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Show me at what point I was racist against the brits. I was talking about those who voted for the brexit and I didn't insult them because of their skin color or ethnicity.

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You yelled "I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS". You denied their European-ness when you retreated from your global comment to being only meant to being applied to Europeans and not the examples I gave - including Brexit. You dismiss their views on the basis of your perception that they are greedy and whiny on the basis of their ethnicity and views.

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You are only doing this because it shows that people are racist against others and this is not driven just by the shade of brown - They voted against primarily white immigration from primarily white European countries.

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This still fails to address that Germany has a long and ongoing animosity against people who are just as white as the Russians - the Slavs and European Jews. This animosity has at times been far, far worse than occurs today.

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As I said - People who are against immigration are against immigration for far more reasons than the shade of brown. I have demonstrated this with a number of examples. What is happening in Germany today may well be targetted against a group today but your country has targeted against many other groups of all colours in its history: Ask a Pole.

I didn't deny their european-ness, don't put words in my mouth I've never said. I just don't give a fuck about the british people who voted for the brexit, and yes the brexit is fucking selfish and everyone who voted for it is selfish.

They lived off of the misery of the spanish and greek just as the germans and frensh people and now when it's time to pay the depth, people lose their shit. Because every EU country has to pay the greek and the spanish and that's only fair, because, while germany, england, france and other countries got rich with the euro, countries like greek and spain were left behind and germany, england, france knew it. They knew it, but they didn't give two fucks about these countries. And now look what it brought us in europe? THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY RIGHT WING GROUPS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ON THEIR SIDE.

I am fully aware of what the germans did back in the day, but My original post was about WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, and that is targetted against this certain group of people. It is blind racism.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
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Reply #38 posted 11/09/17 4:26pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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You yelled "I DON'T GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THE BRITS". You denied their European-ness when you retreated from your global comment to being only meant to being applied to Europeans and not the examples I gave - including Brexit. You dismiss their views on the basis of your perception that they are greedy and whiny on the basis of their ethnicity and views.

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You are only doing this because it shows that people are racist against others and this is not driven just by the shade of brown - They voted against primarily white immigration from primarily white European countries.

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This still fails to address that Germany has a long and ongoing animosity against people who are just as white as the Russians - the Slavs and European Jews. This animosity has at times been far, far worse than occurs today.

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As I said - People who are against immigration are against immigration for far more reasons than the shade of brown. I have demonstrated this with a number of examples. What is happening in Germany today may well be targetted against a group today but your country has targeted against many other groups of all colours in its history: Ask a Pole.

I didn't deny their european-ness, don't put words in my mouth I've never said. I just don't give a fuck about the british people who voted for the brexit, and yes the brexit is fucking selfish and everyone who voted for it is selfish.

They lived off of the misery of the spanish and greek just as the germans and frensh people and now when it's time to pay the depth, people lose their shit. Because every EU country has to pay the greek and the spanish and that's only fair, because, while germany, england, france and other countries got rich with the euro, countries like greek and spain were left behind and germany, england, france knew it. They knew it, but they didn't give two fucks about these countries. And now look what it brought us in europe? THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY RIGHT WING GROUPS ARE GETTING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ON THEIR SIDE.

I am fully aware of what the germans did back in the day, but My original post was about WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW, and that is targetted against this certain group of people. It is blind racism.

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You did deny their Europeaness - You pulled me up for referring to things outside of Europe when you pulled back from a global statement to just a statement about Europe (before this was further pulled back to just Germany). The major example I used was Brexit - A European example. Nothing put in your mouth, it is was your words.

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Your understanding of the Brexit vote fails to address the major issue that was used by UKIP - the hatred of unfettered primarily white European immigration because all these Slavs etc. can come to the UK. You are only ignoring this because it does not fit your thesis - These people are as white as your opening example of the Russians. The hatred and racism of the immigrant is not driven by colour alone - your thesis is inconsistent with reality - Yes it is blind racism but, as Germany has clearly and consistently demonstrated, these other races or ethnic groups always has included people as white as white Russians - For Germany is has always included the Slavs. European Jews and the Turks.

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