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Reply #150 posted 11/06/17 10:29am

2elijah

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

BREAKING NEWS: TEXAS GUNMAN WAS ANGRY AT MOTHER INLAW.


Wth did the 26 people he killed, and 20 he injured have to do with that? Excuses, excuses. 14 out of the people he shot at were children, as young as 18 months. He killed 8 members of the same family. None of them had anything to do with the anger at his mother-in-law.


Just think about this...he murdered 8 people from the same family. Just imagine their pain and loss.
[Edited 11/6/17 16:01pm]
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Reply #151 posted 11/06/17 10:32am

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Then when he got shot, he contacted his Dad to let him know he was shot and might not make it.
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Reply #152 posted 11/06/17 10:35am

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He took meds, what about that? Fox lies.

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Reply #153 posted 11/06/17 10:57am

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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:

No disrespect to the guy with the rifle who shot Kelly, but it appears that guy didn't actually stop anything. He engaged Kelly AFTER Kelly had left the church, which seems to indicate Kelly was done firing.

If this is the case, then the "good guy with a gun" had absolutely no effect on the outcome of the rampage, although he did hasten the guy's demise.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/1...index.html

As the shooter left the church, a local resident used his own rifle to engage him, Martin said. The gunman dropped his weapon and fled.


We don't know whether Kelley would or would not have continued his rampage. We do know that no police were on the scene when Willeford intervened. We don't know what Kelley would have done if Willeford & Langendorff had not chased him down.




We know he left the church, so we know the "good man with a gun" did not save anyone that was in the church.

This is not to besmirch the bravery of that man. It is only to point out that the "good man with a gun" saved absolutely no one in the church.

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Reply #154 posted 11/06/17 11:02am

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

BREAKING NEWS: TEXAS GUNMAN WAS ANGRY AT MOTHER INLAW.

Wth did the 26 people he killed, and 20 he injured have to do with that? Excuses, excuses. 14 out of the people he shot at were children, as young as 18 months. He killed 8 members of the same family. None of them had anything to do with the anger at his mother-in-law. [Edited 11/6/17 10:37am]

I've stated facts and not conjured opinions.

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Reply #155 posted 11/06/17 11:03am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: Wth did the 26 people he killed, and 20 he injured have to do with that? Excuses, excuses. 14 out of the people he shot at were children, as young as 18 months. He killed 8 members of the same family. None of them had anything to do with the anger at his mother-in-law. [Edited 11/6/17 10:37am]

I've stated facts and not conjured opinions.



But no one has yet proven that the reason he shot up the church was because he was mad at his mother-in-law.

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Reply #156 posted 11/06/17 11:17am

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


We don't know whether Kelley would or would not have continued his rampage. We do know that no police were on the scene when Willeford intervened. We don't know what Kelley would have done if Willeford & Langendorff had not chased him down.




We know he left the church, so we know the "good man with a gun" did not save anyone that was in the church.

This is not to besmirch the bravery of that man. It is only to point out that the "good man with a gun" saved absolutely no one in the church.


We also know, because of Willeford's actions, Kelley was not able to massacre anyone else and is not still on the run. So, thank you Willeford!

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Reply #157 posted 11/06/17 11:19am

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RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I've stated facts and not conjured opinions.



But no one has yet proven that the reason he shot up the church was because he was mad at his mother-in-law.

Yes it could still be terrorism too. I think if it is proven he killed Christians out of hate but it sounds more and more like anger directed at mother in law. It was a theory floated out there from the start and I almost ran with it 100% but also people around this man stated he was posting crazy shit on FB, atheist that hated Christians.

But it is fact he sent messages to the mother in law.

Other that knew him said he was always psycho, loose cannon etc. Theories to me are different then the opinions being expressed what "terrorism" should be defined as.

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Reply #158 posted 11/06/17 1:39pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

White man.


The heroes and many of the victims were also "white men". You are a "white man". So, what's your point?

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freaky is white? i thought he was black. Now i see why he is always making fun of me.

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Reply #159 posted 11/06/17 1:48pm

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djThunderfunk said:

RodeoSchro said:



We know he left the church, so we know the "good man with a gun" did not save anyone that was in the church.

This is not to besmirch the bravery of that man. It is only to point out that the "good man with a gun" saved absolutely no one in the church.


We also know, because of Willeford's actions, Kelley was not able to massacre anyone else and is not still on the run. So, thank you Willeford!



You don't know that he was going to kill anyone else.

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Reply #160 posted 11/06/17 1:51pm

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This Devin Kelley is proving to be a special kind of evil. Before he killed 26 people including children:

He tried to bribe underage girls to date him.
http://nypost.com/2017/11...-date-him/



He fractured the skull of his infant stepson.
https://www.nytimes.com/2...texas.html


He was arrested for animal cruelty.
https://apnews.com/149034...al-cruelty




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Reply #161 posted 11/06/17 1:52pm

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RodeoSchro said:

djThunderfunk said:


We also know, because of Willeford's actions, Kelley was not able to massacre anyone else and is not still on the run. So, thank you Willeford!



You don't know that he was going to kill anyone else.


And you don't know he wouldn't. If he got away, surely when cops caught up with him he would have at least shot back. Now he can't.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #162 posted 11/06/17 2:41pm

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RodeoSchro said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:




2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said: Wth did the 26 people he killed, and 20 he injured have to do with that? Excuses, excuses. 14 out of the people he shot at were children, as young as 18 months. He killed 8 members of the same family. None of them had anything to do with the anger at his mother-in-law. [Edited 11/6/17 10:37am]


I've stated facts and not conjured opinions.





But no one has yet proven that the reason he shot up the church was because he was mad at his mother-in-law.


Exactly.
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Reply #163 posted 11/06/17 3:17pm

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The Air Force didn't give the Fed. Government the proper paperwork, to put it on his background. sad

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Reply #164 posted 11/06/17 3:30pm

Dasein

Why the apathy?


Until gun violence impacts your family directly, you won't care enough to do something about it.
There's a ton of research to explain this apathy.

After World War II, the famous Cambridge psychologist J.T. MacCurdy studied an interesting
phenomenon about the bombings in London in 1940 and 1941.

He found that people affected by the bombings fell into three categories: those who died, those who
were a "near miss" (who closely witnessed the horror of the bombings but lived), and those who had a
"remote miss" (people who may have heard the sirens, but were removed from the direct scene of the
bombing).

Here's what's interesting. MacCurdy found the people who witnessed a "near miss" were deeply
affected by the bombing -- while the "remote miss" group felt invincible and even excited.

They were far enough away from the event and had survived, leading them to feel invulnerable and no
longer scared.

Until you've experienced a "near miss," it's easy for your mind to compartmentalize mass shootings
that you hear about -- thinking they will never affect you.

A great example of this is country musician Caleb Keeter, who performed at the concert in Las Vegas
and experienced a near miss. He now cares:

"I've been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night... We need
gun control RIGHT. NOW. My biggest regret is that I stubbornly didn't realize it until my brothers on
the road and myself were threatened by it."

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Reply #165 posted 11/06/17 4:00pm

Dasein

"How to Reduce Shootings"

NY Times / Nicholas Kristof

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Reply #166 posted 11/06/17 4:11pm

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Page one thread, sources 100% right his ex's mom churchgoer and that the reason. I believe now that will end up the motive. This guy was a psycho that was angry at ex's family.
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Reply #167 posted 11/06/17 4:19pm

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djThunderfunk said:

This Devin Kelley is proving to be a special kind of evil. Before he killed 26 people including children:

He tried to bribe underage girls to date him.
http://nypost.com/2017/11...-date-him/




He fractured the skull of his infant stepson.
https://www.nytimes.com/2...texas.html


He was arrested for animal cruelty.
https://apnews.com/149034...al-cruelty







People that knew him were saying complete nutjob! Confirmed 👍
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Reply #168 posted 11/06/17 4:29pm

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Dasein said:

"How to Reduce Shootings"

NY Times / Nicholas Kristof

Wow - Thanks for posting, Dasein.

'If you’re wondering how we managed to crank out all these charts and data in the immediate aftermath of the Texas shooting, here’s the secret: We didn’t. We spent weeks gathering the information and preparing the charts, because we knew that there would be a tragedy like this one to make it all relevant.

That’s the blunt, damning truth: Sunday’s horror was 100 percent predictable. After each such incident, we mourn the deaths and sympathize with the victims, but we do nothing fundamental to reduce our vulnerability.

Some of you will protest, as President Trump did, that it’s too soon to talk about guns, or that it is disrespectful to the dead to use such a tragedy to score political points. Yet more Americans have died from gun violence, including suicides, since 1970 (about 1.4 million) than in all the wars in American history going back to the Revolutionary War (about 1.3 million). And it’s not just gang-members: In a typical year, more pre-schoolers are shot dead in America (about 75) than police officers are.'

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Reply #169 posted 11/06/17 4:47pm

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When the story 1st broke, didn't someone here say that they wouldn't be surprised if it was the 14 year old daughter of the Pastor, that got tangled up in something?

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Page one thread, sources 100% right his ex's mom churchgoer and that the reason. I believe now that will end up the motive. This guy was a psycho that was angry at ex's family.Didn
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Reply #170 posted 11/06/17 4:48pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is a small church, but, one the dead is the teenaged daughter of the pastor. (the Pastor and his wife are out of town) That makes me wonder if she (the daughter) was the target.

OH here it is!!^^^

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Reply #171 posted 11/06/17 4:56pm

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PennyPurple said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is a small church, but, one the dead is the teenaged daughter of the pastor. (the Pastor and his wife are out of town) That makes me wonder if she (the daughter) was the target.

OH here it is!!^^^

there what is? speculation? yep. I wondered something that seems to be false? so what?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #172 posted 11/06/17 4:58pm

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PennyPurple said:

When the story 1st broke, didn't someone here say that they wouldn't be surprised if it was the 14 year old daughter of the Pastor, that got tangled up in something?

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Page one thread, sources 100% right his ex's mom churchgoer and that the reason. I believe now that will end up the motive. This guy was a psycho that was angry at ex's family.Didn

yup I did... do you have any point to bringing that up?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #173 posted 11/06/17 7:18pm

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Stephen Willeford is being hounded by media, is avoiding them, but spoke to the blowhard Crowder. I didn't want to watch that guys show, but it was the only place I've found with Willeford's story in his own words.

This is a small town where everybody knows everybody. He's obviously torn up about what's happened and is very humble. Worth the watch even though it's crowder.



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Reply #174 posted 11/06/17 8:39pm

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The US govt doesn't give a damn aout mass shootings. Just check the history.

If all of the shooter's were non-white, something would have been done a long time ago.

Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.

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Reply #175 posted 11/07/17 3:35am

Dasein

poppys said:

Dasein said:

"How to Reduce Shootings"

NY Times / Nicholas Kristof

Wow - Thanks for posting, Dasein.

'If you’re wondering how we managed to crank out all these charts and data in the immediate aftermath of the Texas shooting, here’s the secret: We didn’t. We spent weeks gathering the information and preparing the charts, because we knew that there would be a tragedy like this one to make it all relevant.

That’s the blunt, damning truth: Sunday’s horror was 100 percent predictable. After each such incident, we mourn the deaths and sympathize with the victims, but we do nothing fundamental to reduce our vulnerability.

Some of you will protest, as President Trump did, that it’s too soon to talk about guns, or that it is disrespectful to the dead to use such a tragedy to score political points. Yet more Americans have died from gun violence, including suicides, since 1970 (about 1.4 million) than in all the wars in American history going back to the Revolutionary War (about 1.3 million). And it’s not just gang-members: In a typical year, more pre-schoolers are shot dead in America (about 75) than police officers are.'


No problem.

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Reply #176 posted 11/07/17 4:08am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

Another day. Another white male lunatic with access to weapons.

Wonder if he'll be called a "terrorist" ?

God help this country...

So far he hasn't been called that yet, but it was a mass killing. I don't see how that's not domestic terrorism. A person takes out a gun and randomly kills people in mass, then that should be considered domestic terrorism period. How long will it take some Americans to realize that's exactly what that kind of killing is?

Miley Cyrus Says Texas Shooting Was ‘Terroristic Act’ Conducted By ‘White American Man’
12 hours ago 6 November 2017
: https://www.yahoo.com/new...11183.html
excerpt:
“I am aghast by the reaction of my latest post. It is completely amazing to me how defensive and in denial this country really is!” she said. “You are not focused on the horrific tragedy I addressed but more angered that I am putting a BIG bright spotlight on the fact it was a ‘WHITE AMERICAN MALE’ terrorist that walked in and killed 26 people (including children) leaving 20 severely injured!”

so as we all see. from the white house on down.....the perception at large is white mass shooters are just an unfortunate by product of mental illness or suppressed anger:
yet in 90% of mssss shootings in america, it seems to be the perception that white males cannot be perceived as terrorist. only mass killer/shooters of color can be deemed so.
just like the white nazi man who dtove his vehicle into the crowd killing one and causing multiple injuries was not considered a terrorist.
and when a white American with a semi-automatic rifle killed 59 people in Las Vegas he is not labeled a "terrorist.
however when an apparently muslim national used a hire truck to kill at least eight people in new york, the non illustraterous POTUS calls out this suspect as a terrorist.
so imo it smells like another case of white (male) supremacist denial.
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Reply #177 posted 11/07/17 4:26am

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as “the unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.”

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Reply #178 posted 11/07/17 4:26am

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Graycap23 said:

The US govt doesn't give a damn aout mass shootings. Just check the history.


I agree with you:

"Congress Has Basically Done Nothing on Gun Control Since Sandy Hook Shooting" - Newsweek

"Five Years After Sandy Hook, still no new gun laws" - PRI

But, this NY Times interactive was horrifying. In the year after Sandy Hook, "almost every state
enacted at least one new gun law, according to a database compiled by the Law Center to Prevent
Gun Violence. Nearly two-thirds of the new laws ease restrictions and expand the rights of gun
owners."

By the way, I used Sandy Hook as a threshold for my post here because you know this country
really has a problem with guns when the deaths of innocent children has little to no effect politically
or culturally other than to reveal how deeply embedded the wrongheaded assumption that what
is an inherent right to being a US citizen is being able to own a stupid fucking gun.

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Reply #179 posted 11/07/17 4:38am

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Just making ALL MASS SHOOTINGS terrorist-related would drastically change the word terrorism. It would be like calling Miley Cyrus a musical genius.

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