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Donna Brazile says Democrats rigged the 2016 primary for Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders

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Donna Brazile, a former Democratic National Committee (DNC) interim chair, has claimed that the party organisation helped Hillary Clinton’s campaign “rig” the 2016 Democratic primary against Bernie Sanders.

In a Politico op-ed, Ms Brazile alleged that Ms Clinton was controlling the finances of the party before officially winning the 2016 Democratic nomination for president.

“This was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity,” Ms Brazile said about the arrangement.

The piece, titled Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, is an excerpt from Ms Brazile’s forthcoming book.

Last year, Ms Brazile took over as DNC chair after Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced out of the role over leaked emails suggesting she may have favoured Ms Clinton during the primary.

“I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested,” Ms Brazile wrote.

“By Sept 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart,” Ms Brazile said.

The proof, according to Ms Brazile, was a joint fundraising agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund and Hillary for America. It had been signed in August 2015, four months after the former Secretary of State announced she was running for president and a year before she officially became the Democratic nominee.

Ms Brazile said joint fundraising committees were created between the DNC and both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns during the 2016 election cycle. However, Ms Clinton was the only candidate who raised money for the party, she said.

In a statement to Fox News, Ms Wasserman Schultz didn’t directly address Ms Brazile’s allegations but defended her tenure as head of the DNC.


"It was a tremendous honor to be asked by President Obama to serve as chair of the DNC,” Wasserman Schultz said on Thursday. “I am proud of the work our team did to support Democrats up and down the ballot in the 2016 election and to re-elect the president in 2012.”

DNC spokesperson Xochitl Hinojosa, who works under current DNC chair Tom Perez, told Fox News that the party’s official policy is to not take sides during the primaries.
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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #1 posted 11/03/17 4:34am

hausofmoi7

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Bernie is possibly running on a third party ticket in 20.20.
Could it be the Green Party that he joins?
Bernie, Jill and Ajamu at the helm perhaps?


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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #2 posted 11/03/17 6:49am

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Elizabeth Warren agrees with Donna Brazile:

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #3 posted 11/03/17 6:54am

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'The proof, according to Ms Brazile, was a joint fundraising agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund and Hillary for America. It had been signed in August 2015, four months after the former Secretary of State announced she was running for president and a year before she officially became the Democratic nominee.

Ms Brazile said joint fundraising committees were created between the DNC and both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns during the 2016 election cycle. However, Ms Clinton was the only candidate who raised money for the party, she said.'


To clarify, Brazile is saying it was rigged because HRC's joint fundraising agreement with the DNC was first, or because Sanders didn't raise any money?

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Reply #4 posted 11/03/17 7:49am

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What Warren said wasn't that controversial. She didn't say stole like she should have.

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Reply #5 posted 11/03/17 7:57am

Musicslave

This has to be one of the most corrupt election years ever in this country. No wonder many were holding their noses going to their polling places lol

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Reply #6 posted 11/03/17 8:06am

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Musicslave said:

This has to be one of the most corrupt election years ever in this country. No wonder many were holding their noses going to their polling places lol


This is a far more logical explanation for how we got the trumpclown than "racism".

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Reply #7 posted 11/03/17 8:16am

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35 percent of whites think there is a war against them.

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Reply #8 posted 11/03/17 10:01am

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poppys said:

'The proof, according to Ms Brazile, was a joint fundraising agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund and Hillary for America. It had been signed in August 2015, four months after the former Secretary of State announced she was running for president and a year before she officially became the Democratic nominee.

Ms Brazile said joint fundraising committees were created between the DNC and both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns during the 2016 election cycle. However, Ms Clinton was the only candidate who raised money for the party, she said.'


To clarify, Brazile is saying it was rigged because HRC's joint fundraising agreement with the DNC was first, or because Sanders didn't raise any money?



If HRC bailed out the DNC, shouldn't they have realized she expected a return on her investment?
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Reply #9 posted 11/03/17 10:02am

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2freaky4church1 said:

35 percent of whites think there is a war against them.



And a far higher percentage of White Republicans believe such nonsense
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Reply #10 posted 11/03/17 10:11am

poppys

jjhunsecker said:

poppys said:

'The proof, according to Ms Brazile, was a joint fundraising agreement between the DNC, the Hillary Victory Fund and Hillary for America. It had been signed in August 2015, four months after the former Secretary of State announced she was running for president and a year before she officially became the Democratic nominee.

Ms Brazile said joint fundraising committees were created between the DNC and both the Clinton and Sanders campaigns during the 2016 election cycle. However, Ms Clinton was the only candidate who raised money for the party, she said.'


To clarify, Brazile is saying it was rigged because HRC's joint fundraising agreement with the DNC was first, or because Sanders didn't raise any money?

If HRC bailed out the DNC, shouldn't they have realized she expected a return on her investment?

Yes, and it sucks. Definitely a fated feel to what the Dems did this time around. And the fate was not good. We need to work on the electoral rules so those 3 million+ votes count someday.

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Reply #11 posted 11/03/17 10:12am

poppys

2freaky4church1 said:

35 percent of whites think there is a war against them.

What is the source of this statement?

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Reply #12 posted 11/03/17 10:13am

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2freaky4church1 said:

35 percent of whites think there is a war against them.

people tend to exaggerate things or make up some reason why they did not get something they thought they deserved. To act as if it was just white people is such a example.

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Reply #13 posted 11/03/17 10:14am

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poppys said:

2freaky4church1 said:

35 percent of whites think there is a war against them.

What is the source of this statement?

it sounds about right we know many others thing that people are out to get them. some think that cops are out there hunting people for sport....

"I was raped by the Arkansas AG who then becomes Governor & President..." Juanita Broaddrick
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Reply #14 posted 11/03/17 10:19am

poppys

OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:

What is the source of this statement?

it sounds about right we know many others thing that people are out to get them. some think that cops are out there hunting people for sport....

And some think you are full of caca when you say stuff like that, dragging in a different thread to boot.

I would still like to know who says 35% of whites think there is a war against them. I don't believe that figure.

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Reply #15 posted 11/03/17 11:53am

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Crazy guy, Alex Jones called it 19 months ago... lol

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Reply #16 posted 11/03/17 12:02pm

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Turks and Jimmy Dore predicted it.

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Reply #17 posted 11/04/17 5:36am

TonyVanDam

Oh please fellow orgers. rolleyes I've been telling all of your back in 2016 that the Democratic Primany was nothing but a freaking screwjob from the get-go. Those so-called "Super Delegates" were nothing but lapdogs for Hillary Clinton.

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Reply #18 posted 11/04/17 6:01am

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:

What is the source of this statement?

it sounds about right we know many others thing that people are out to get them. some think that cops are out there hunting people for sport....


And some people think women are asking them to pay for their abortions.

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Reply #19 posted 11/04/17 7:22am

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it sounds about right we know many others thing that people are out to get them. some think that cops are out there hunting people for sport....


And some people think women are asking them to pay for their abortions.


And some people think that "somebody's got to fucking die" for us to be free.


We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #20 posted 11/04/17 8:09am

13cjk13

who cares?

Matthew 5:38-39
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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Reply #21 posted 11/04/17 8:19am

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13cjk13 said:

who cares?

Who cares that hillary rigged the primary against bernie? Everybody that isn't happy the trumpclown is president should care. If you take all the trump votes that came from people that were aware and disgusted by what hillary and the dnc did away, trump would not have won.

Because of hillary and the dnc's shenanigans, we now have president trumpclown. Thanks hill.

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Reply #22 posted 11/04/17 9:11am

Dasein

djThunderfunk said:

Dasein said:


And some people think women are asking them to pay for their abortions.


And some people think that "somebody's got to fucking die" for us to be free.



I've explained this already and you still do not understand:

I'm not at all talking about a kind of gratuitous violence whereby opponents do not make any
attempt to use non-violence as a method for compromise. But, in the context of attaining a
kind of freedom that is absolute, yes, people must die, specifically those who are withholding
said freedom on purpose and refusing compromise. The narrative of humans interacting with
each other tells that story. I have no idea why you are struggling with this concept of history
apart from my own suspicions . . .


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Reply #23 posted 11/04/17 11:09am

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13cjk13 said:

who cares?



Hillary could have shot Bernie in the head during a live broadcast of the Christmas Eve Mass from St. Patrick's Cathedral- and she'd STILL be a better choice than fucking Trump !
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Reply #24 posted 11/04/17 11:19am

djThunderfunk

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Dasein said:


I've explained this already and you still do not understand:

I'm not at all talking about a kind of gratuitous violence whereby opponents do not make any
attempt to use non-violence as a method for compromise. But, in the context of attaining a
kind of freedom that is absolute, yes, people must die, specifically those who are withholding
said freedom on purpose and refusing compromise. The narrative of humans interacting with
each other tells that story. I have no idea why you are struggling with this concept of history
apart from my own suspicions . . .



You have not explained what freedoms we do not have, or who has to die so that we will have them.


We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #25 posted 11/04/17 11:59am

Dasein

djThunderfunk said:

Dasein said:


I've explained this already and you still do not understand:

I'm not at all talking about a kind of gratuitous violence whereby opponents do not make any
attempt to use non-violence as a method for compromise. But, in the context of attaining a
kind of freedom that is absolute, yes, people must die, specifically those who are withholding
said freedom on purpose and refusing compromise. The narrative of humans interacting with
each other tells that story. I have no idea why you are struggling with this concept of history
apart from my own suspicions . . .



You have not explained what freedoms we do not have, or who has to die so that we will have them.



It does not follow from my argument that I must explain what freedoms we do not have. But, I
most certainly did provide examples of the freedoms we do have and who died so that we could
possess them when I mentioned the freedoms gained from England after the American Revolution-
ary War. In the "screaming at the sky?!?" thread, I said:


And, if you're going to quote me, do so fairly. I didn't just say: "Yeah, if you want justice, some-
body has to die." I
said that is what history has shown us: those who actually achieve some kind
of lasting justice
and/or equality usually had to kill their oppressor in order to concretize and real-
ize what is de
sired. I even then offered an example - the USA - to show how our country, In God
We Trust,
with Liberty, and Justice For All - was founded after its application of violence.


In other words: we could only establish constitutional rights after violently killing Englishmen (and
Hessians) who refused to grant American colonists with the kind of freedom they desired. There-
fore, like Patrick Henry said: "give me liberty, or give me death" so somebody had to fucking die.

Violence precedes our current US freedoms and is the very method in which they were achieved.

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Dasein said:

djThunderfunk said:


It does not follow from my argument that I must explain what freedoms we do not have. But, I
most certainly did provide examples of the freedoms we do have and who died so that we could
possess them when I mentioned the freedoms gained from England after the American Revolution-
ary War. In the "screaming at the sky?!?" thread, I said:


And, if you're going to quote me, do so fairly. I didn't just say: "Yeah, if you want justice, some-
body has to die." I said that is what history has shown us: those who actually achieve some kind
of lasting justice and/or equality usually had to kill their oppressor in order to concretize and real-
ize what is desired. I even then offered an example - the USA - to show how our country, In God
We Trust, with Liberty, and Justice For All - was founded after its application of violence.


In other words: we could only establish constitutional rights after violently killing Englishmen (and
Hessians) who refused to grant American colonists with the kind of freedom they desired. There-
fore, like Patrick Henry said: "give me liberty, or give me death" so somebody had to fucking die.

Violence precedes our current US freedoms and is the very method in which they were achieved.


You said these thing in the CONTEXT of explaining why you have a "soft spot for antifa" today. What freedoms do we not have TODAY, that somebody has to die for us to have and gives you reason to have a soft spot for antifa? And, who is it that has to die for us to have these freedoms?


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Reply #27 posted 11/04/17 12:30pm

Dasein

djThunderfunk said:

Dasein said:


You said these thing in the CONTEXT of explaining why you have a "soft spot for antifa" today. What freedoms do we not have TODAY, that somebody has to die for us to have and gives you reason to have a soft spot for antifa?

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It does not follow that in order to explain my soft spot for Antifa that I must also describe
what freedoms we do not have today, or explain how it is the case that Antifa has the right
to kill people today to obtain those freedoms. To abstract that I was endorsing Antifa killing
people (today) to obtain freedoms not afforded to us (today) from what I said in the scream-
ing at the sky thread is to (purposefully?) import those sentiments into my posts for what-
ever reason. I said:

I have a soft spot for Antifa: it is not my ethic to always meet hate and exclusion with Christianly
love regardless of context. So, meeting hateful violence with righteous violence is not a contra-
diction; it's a matter of interpretation and could be argued a moral obligation in some instances.


I never endorsed Antifa out right by saying I had a soft spot for them. All you had to do was
simply ask me why I had a soft spot for Antifa and/or ask me to clarify that statement as op-
posed to forcing ideas and thoughts into my head and out of my mouth and assuming way too
much as clearly I am not drawing a hard line in the sand. Instead, I'm leaving enough room
for context to shape my thought given by my ethic is "not always" something practiced and that
meeting hateful violence with violence "could" be morally obligated in "some instances" which
obviously means there may be some instances when meeting hateful violence with violence is
NOT morally obligated!

DJ, it appears that you ignored context and nuance simply to have a spat with me; this appears
to be your modus operandi.


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Dasein said:



DJ, it appears that you ignored context and nuance simply to have a spat with me; this appears
to be your modus operandi.


Bullshit! You said you had a soft spot for antifa, I challenged you on that, you explained:


"Ya see, I'm the type of guy who appreciates context. That's why I have NO problems with
Nazis getting punched in the face. So, who you punch and why you punch determines whe-
ther or not the act of violence (punching) exhibited by someone is really just being violently
intolerable to an opposing idea. As I see it, the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi for I do not
subscribe to the principle that all ideas are created equal so that I must then meet violence
and hate with love or by appealing to reason and/or a political process in order to remain
ethical.

Fuck that. And, for those of you who think justice and equality and freedom, in this country
at least, are achieved through a political process built upon love, charity, kindness, and virtue
in the face of oppression and/or political aggression, let me remind you that somebody had
to die violently in order for this country to exist. In other words: if you want to be free, some-
body has to fucking die; that is just how we humans get down."


Your explanation of your soft spot for antifa included the bolded statement. I get the historical context, but, it does not explain this statement in regards to you explaining why you have a soft spot for ANTIFA TODAY.


If "nuance" or "context" are your issue, you are the one who blurred the line. But then, it's your "modus operandi" to explain your grievances with society today by complaining of historical transgressions.

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Reply #29 posted 11/04/17 12:48pm

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If a Nazi used the n word with a black person he should get punched.

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