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Reply #30 posted 08/09/17 6:15am

Musicslave

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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/09/panetta-trump-north-korea-241424?lo=ap_c1

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Panetta: Does Trump think 'North Korean leader is attacking his manhood?'

By CARLA MARINUCCI

08/09/2017 05:40 AM EDT

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“You’ve got two bullies chiding each other with outrageous comments — and it doesn’t help the situation in terms of trying to resolve something that has to be resolved peacefully...because the consequences of nuclear war would be devastating," Panetta told POLITICO Tuesday at the Panetta Institute for Public Policy at California State University, Monterey Bay.

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"The question is: “Does (Trump) get so frustrated with the North Korean leader — who’s yelling every other day — that he feels that somehow the North Korean leader is attacking his manhood?”

“And (Trump) this is a guy who, if he feels that, does he decide, 'OK, enough is enough?' So we’re living on that brink right now,'' Panetta said. "We’re not sure what direction this is going to take...it’s a very dangerous world that’s out there and it’s going to require a lot of decisions on some tough issues.”

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With reports that North Korea may have produced a compact nuclear warhead, "there’s only one strategy you can use with North Korea — and it’s containment and deterrence,’’ Panetta said, adding that the time has come to open a dialogue with North Korea. “You have to make very clear that if they do anything that is provocative, that we can come back in a way that will end the regime. That, frankly, for 60 years, is what we’ve been doing — and as a result, we’ve been able to avoid war.”

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“The real problem is that...the failure of the foreign policy dealing with North Korea — it really does represent a direct threat to the United States. So this really is a moment in time where we have got to take steps, militarily, diplomatically, to do everything possible to bring North Korea to the negotiating table,’’ he said. America must have a dialogue with them, or to make clear to them that failure to engage in dialogue “is to put them on a path towards the loss of the regime,'' he said.

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But Panetta said he’s concerned with reports of how the president makes major decisions, and is approaching major foreign policy issues.

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“I’ve heard of briefings being presented to the president — and because he has this limited attention span, he kind of immediately goes to the political argument as opposed to the substance,’’ the former CIA director said. In Afghanistan, for instance, reports are that "the military is recommending a strategy that should be done; but the president and (advisor Steve) Bannon don’t think that strategy really gives them what they want in order to deal with the political side of the ledger. So he’s basically sent the military packing — to try and come back with something different.”

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Among other observations from Panetta:

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On Trump's unorthodox approach to foreign policy issues: “This is a bizarre world, OK? I’m used to — you go through a national security consult, you have deputies’ meetings; you have principals meeting, you talk about substance of the issue, the crisis, the options, you try to develop consensus. You present it to the president; the president asks questions and makes a decision. That’s usually the process. It was true for Clinton, it was true for Bush, it was true for Obama. (Today) this is not the way it works. And it makes it very unpredictable as to what happens.”

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On Trump’s White House team: “I’ve thought that Trump’s national security team is probably the best thing he’s done, in appointing people like [Secretary of Defense James] Mattis and [National Security Advisor H.R.] McMaster, now [General John] Kelly as chief of staff and [Secretary of State Rex] Tillerson — even though he’s struggling, his head seems to be at least in the right place.”

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On North Korean dictator Kim Jong-Un: “He’s totally bizarre and uncertain. When I was CIA director the one area I thought we did not have really great intelligence was in the inner circles of North Korea..it was tough to get really good information. Normally, you get pretty good intelligence about what a leader was doing...we never could get that. So you don’t know. The only guy this guy seems to like is (Dennis) Rodman.”

[Edited 8/9/17 6:32am]

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Reply #31 posted 08/09/17 6:17am

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

ok... i do think he will do much I am not sure he should but then I think something needs to be done. it is a messed up situation but they do not get nukes... and yes I am have a different standard for them,


What?

yeah, I know... it is a mess. I am conflicted and worried (as we all should be...all as in every single person on the planet).

Kimmy must not get nukes... anyone that thinks he should be allowed.... SMH...

he has said he will use them he has shown he is a loon...

Something must be done...

I hope china will stop him ... i do not want another war...

it is a mess... be worried...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #32 posted 08/09/17 7:14am

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Nuke war would take the Russia pressure off Trump.

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Reply #33 posted 08/09/17 7:21am

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^^Talk on street. Just placing the narrative out there

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Reply #34 posted 08/09/17 7:30am

poppys

^^ Yeah yer right. And that's about what it will take. disbelief

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Reply #35 posted 08/09/17 7:31am

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morningsong said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

trump is no Theodore Roosevelt....



Yeah, we know.

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Reply #36 posted 08/09/17 7:32am

poppys

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Well, then. I suppose the world might get to find out who has the world's largest nuclear dick. Sir Tiny Hands or Captain Depends. Someone get Dennis Rodman on the phone. I did not include this in my 2017 death pool. I knew I was missing something.

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Reply #37 posted 08/09/17 7:39am

Musicslave

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Nuke war would take the Russia pressure off Trump.

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Yeah, I thought of that yesterday too. It definitely changed the subject!!!! So, that was a success huh? lol To elaborate my thoughts on yesterday. "Hey...Let's Start a War." What better way to rally the American people around Trump than to start a war with a possibly willing candidate who's just as eager to show his supposed strength on the world stage in, Jong Un?"

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It changes the subject (not the investigation).

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It potentially makes the American people support the troops, thereby support the president by default (hopefully).

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It creates a false sense of patriotism a la Bush '43. (No room for debate, either you're for us or against us). This would be the mantra throughout Trumpland. So, you'd be categorized as patriot or a "Great American" or unamerican or antiamerican if you oppose or have a different opinion than the president.

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Just for starters.....

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These thoughts are cynical but very likely a part of our president's VERY BRIEF thought process. lol

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Reply #38 posted 08/09/17 7:39am

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A conflict between an overweight lunatic with a stupid bad haircut and serious daddy issues...and Kim Jun Un

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Reply #39 posted 08/09/17 7:43am

poppys

Musicslave said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Nuke war would take the Russia pressure off Trump.

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Yeah, I thought of that yesterday too. It definitely changed the subject!!!! So, that was a success huh? lol To elaborate my thoughts on yesterday. "Hey...Let's Start a War." What better way to rally the American people around Trump than to start a war with a possibly willing candidate who's just as eager to show his supposed strength on the world stage in, Jong Un?"

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It changes the subject (not the investigation).

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It potentially makes the American people support the troops, thereby support the president by default (hopefully).

Creates a false sense of patriotism a la Bush '43. (No room for debate, either you're for us or against us). This would be the mantra throughout Trumpland. So, you'd be categorized as patriot or a "Great American" or unamerican or antiamerican if you oppose or have a different opinion than the president.

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Just for starters.....

Exactly.

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Reply #40 posted 08/09/17 7:43am

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jjhunsecker said:

A conflict between an overweight lunatic with a stupid bad haircut and serious daddy issues...and Kim Jun Un

funny how you could have said the same if hillary would have gotten more votes

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Reply #41 posted 08/09/17 8:02am

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He does know that it is illegal to make a direct threat? We get away with this shit all the time because the UN is so weak.

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Reply #42 posted 08/09/17 8:07am

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2freaky4church1 said:

He does know that it is illegal to make a direct threat?

for one under what LAW? and two are you sure it was even a direct threat? Or was it a statement of a conditional reaction? it is the same as "click it or Ticket" or "if you drink and drive you will get arrested"


We get away with this shit all the time because the UN is so weak.


the UN is weak and had zero authority...

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Reply #43 posted 08/09/17 8:33am

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Under international law goof.

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Reply #44 posted 08/09/17 8:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Under international law goof.

cite the law

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Reply #45 posted 08/09/17 11:52am

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http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-vii/index.html

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Reply #46 posted 08/09/17 12:11pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

http://www.un.org/en/sections/un-charter/chapter-vii/index.html

fails on basically every single level...

it was not a threat to the peace it was a response to a threat.

also, all security consoles members would have to agree including the US and guess how they will vote?

and that is not even law it is part of the UN charter....so at worst the UN could sanction the US... which again can not happen unless the US agrees to it... LOL

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Reply #47 posted 08/09/17 1:26pm

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I wonder if Trump follows the forum and said "Fury" for me?
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Reply #48 posted 08/09/17 1:58pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:


A conflict between an overweight lunatic with a stupid bad haircut and serious daddy issues...and Kim Jun Un






funny how you could have said the same if hillary would have gotten more votes


Wow. You really are obsessed with Hillary, aren't ya? Maybe you have a crush on her?
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Reply #49 posted 08/09/17 2:02pm

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Seriously, dogs that bark don't bite. Kim knows that a nuclear war would be the end of his regime.
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Reply #50 posted 08/09/17 3:02pm

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NorthC said:

Seriously, dogs that bark don't bite. Kim knows that a nuclear war would be the end of his regime.


The end of the world. Radioactive air and water, radiation poisoning.

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Reply #51 posted 08/09/17 4:22pm

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He is going to lead us into ww III. North Korea is going to attack Guam and their close enough to attack Hawaii. This is a mess
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Reply #52 posted 08/09/17 5:21pm

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NorthC said:

Seriously, dogs that bark don't bite.



unfortunately, that's not always the case

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Reply #53 posted 08/09/17 5:21pm

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jjhunsecker said:

A conflict between an overweight lunatic with a stupid bad haircut and serious daddy issues...and Kim Jun Un



lol

nicely done sir

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Reply #54 posted 08/09/17 6:14pm

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mjscarousal said:

He is going to lead us into ww III. North Korea is going to attack Guam and their close enough to attack Hawaii. This is a mess


That is what I keep thinking

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Reply #55 posted 08/09/17 6:47pm

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It's not a republican administration if they don't start a war.

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Reply #56 posted 08/09/17 7:06pm

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What if dump is the anti-christ?? what if he has the numerals 666 somewhere on his head eek

Anyone read Revelations in the Bible??

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Reply #57 posted 08/09/17 7:11pm

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I, for one, unquestioningly support our Dear Leader and will go down like a true American patriot wearing my red hat. If a nuclear holocaust is the price we pay for the fun of pissing off liberals, it was totes worth it. Because hurr durr libruls. MAGA!

BENGHAZI!!! HER EMAILS!!! Fuck 45 with fire, fury, and frankly, power.

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Reply #58 posted 08/09/17 7:34pm

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luv4u said:

What if dump is the anti-christ?? what if he has the numerals 666 somewhere on his head eek



Anyone read Revelations in the Bible??



I envision Satan nervously awaiting his orders from Trump. Even Satan is like, "dude..."

Meanwhile some evangelical holy rollers are telling Trump that God totally supports him nuking NK. This. This is why Christian zealots are no different than the Taliban or ISIS or any other extremist group. Your god is just as big a dick as the one who inspired those guys to fly those planes into those buildings.
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Reply #59 posted 08/09/17 7:39pm

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Nothing will ever happen between these guys, relax.

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