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Reply #180 posted 08/20/17 1:51pm

Fenwick

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Fenwick said:

Hi Dimi

A large chunk of my response regarding your judgment assertions in contained in my response to Poppy. Perhaps that will help to clarify.

I think you have misunderstood the intent of my post because you have left out the last, most crucial words. "And they think they are smarter for it".


I'm not begrudging anyone who tunes into those shows. They are funny dudes. And if I was choosing between demographics, I would most decidedly be watching Maher than Beck for a multitude of reasons. But my point is that some people come away from those programs with a smugness that they are smarter than the other side specifically because they are "in tune with John Oliver".


It's not just that some watch the shows, Great! It's entertainment. It's that they watch the shows and feel more confident in their disdain for others, which these shows specifically help perpetuate. It's my position that anything 100% dedicated to deriding one demographic of people is counter-productive to progress.





Thank you for your reply, Fenwick.

Dick Gegory died today - someone who used humor to cast light on social injustice, civil rights, war. In his day, rock musicians did the same with songs that dealt with protests of war, racism, etc. In 2017 - I see comic satire is doing the same thing - casting light on questionable public policies, politicians, and threatened civil liberites. Personally, I do not know anyone who watches Oliver, Noah or Maher to claim to be smarter for it, nor do they emanate a smugness about it. I believe you when you say you have encountered some people who act this way - but I have not so this is hard for me to relate to except as it applies to my own expereince and practices of watching some of these shows. I do not like Trump and no comedy show is going to perpetuate that for me - Trump does this himself every single day.

Still - I submit that the two kinds of boadcasts dicussed are different. Agreed that a programs that are 100% dedicated to deriding a certain demogrpahic of people is indeed counterproductive. For those host equated to the aformentioned - Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly or f Coulter the intent to do so is there and they are dessiminating untruths in a way that does influence because they are coming at the public as serious "news" shows. The two types of broadcasts are entirely different and should not be equated. I saw Jon Stewart being interviewed on Fox once and they were coming at him about his responsibilty to to those who get their news from his show and he said pointedly: "Here is the difference between us, I am on Comedy Central - I am a comedian and my show is a comedy show. My show is not a news source."

Hi Dimi


I completely understand your point. I agree that news shows carry a higher responsibility. But if you've got a public forum and you're using it to speak about politics, a lesser responsiblity is still a responsibility.

I guess, for me, if you're gonna come to the podium and make fun of politicans, they all should be fair game. Not just one group. FOr my mileage, that's predictable and boring. Not what I want in my comedy. This is why I love Southpark, They lambast everything and everyone equally.

To only take aim at one side just isn't my kind of humor. But I understand how it could be for some. And like I said before, they are definitely smart and funny dudes......

Chat soon amigo!

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Reply #181 posted 08/20/17 1:55pm

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Blown..yes. Changed..no.

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #182 posted 08/20/17 2:31pm

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You gave up the game when you started calling out left leaning comedians.

I think the difference with people like Oliver, Maher or whoever - even CNN, Rolling Stone or MSNBC - is when they fuck up, they issue a retraction or someone gets canned. FOX doubles down. I haven't seen anything you've written that leads me to conclude that "both sides are equal" or the "truth is in the middle". I can also see, read and hear with my own senses and don't rely on platitudes or invisible dieties in the sky to justify my world view or logic.

You've been repeatedly asked for specific examples and have provided none that I've seen.

Also, LOL....a LOT of leftists were very, VERY critical of Obama, myself included, just not for the dumb reasons conservatives seem to assume (that he's a Kenyan, Marxist, Muslim Socialist who is going to give free shit away to every black person or whatever).


You're drawing a false equivalency (a common trap) and your thesis is crumbling badly under the weight of scrutiny, which is ironic because this seems to anger you while at the same time you're trying to posit yourself as a voice of reason willing to listen to "both sides" and the only person here open to reasonable debate.

I DID think of a few things I've changed my mind on however:

Ethanol, farm subsidies, prayer in schools (I have no problem with it unless it's mandatory), legalized gambling (to the extent of slot machines in gas stations and shit), affirmative action (I used to be agaisnt it), ADHD medications (I used to be against until my son was diagnosed with it)....

I change my mind all the time about a lot of things but I'm not so naive to subscribe to the idea that I have to ignore objective reality just to coddle individuals that do so for selfish reasons. If that makes me closed minded, then so be it, becasuse, YES, my mind is CLOSED on several issues and I have indeed made up my mind unless shown concrete evidence to the contrary.

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Reply #183 posted 08/20/17 5:25pm

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herb4 said:

You gave up the game when you started calling out left leaning comedians.

I think the difference with people like Oliver, Maher or whoever - even CNN, Rolling Stone or MSNBC - is when they fuck up, they issue a retraction or someone gets canned. FOX doubles down. I haven't seen anything you've written that leads me to conclude that "both sides are equal" or the "truth is in the middle". I can also see, read and hear with my own senses and don't rely on platitudes or invisible dieties in the sky to justify my world view or logic.

You've been repeatedly asked for specific examples and have provided none that I've seen.

Also, LOL....a LOT of leftists were very, VERY critical of Obama, myself included, just not for the dumb reasons conservatives seem to assume (that he's a Kenyan, Marxist, Muslim Socialist who is going to give free shit away to every black person or whatever).


You're drawing a false equivalency (a common trap) and your thesis is crumbling badly under the weight of scrutiny, which is ironic because this seems to anger you while at the same time you're trying to posit yourself as a voice of reason willing to listen to "both sides" and the only person here open to reasonable debate.

I DID think of a few things I've changed my mind on however:

Ethanol, farm subsidies, prayer in schools (I have no problem with it unless it's mandatory), legalized gambling (to the extent of slot machines in gas stations and shit), affirmative action (I used to be agaisnt it), ADHD medications (I used to be against until my son was diagnosed with it)....

I change my mind all the time about a lot of things but I'm not so naive to subscribe to the idea that I have to ignore objective reality just to coddle individuals that do so for selfish reasons. If that makes me closed minded, then so be it, becasuse, YES, my mind is CLOSED on several issues and I have indeed made up my mind unless shown concrete evidence to the contrary.

You know, I had no intention of carrying on with you. You're just another one of those guys who stays in fifth gear and plows ahead. And for someone who has the ability to speak so eloquently on occasion, you sure do love to jump to conclusions.

My thesis is crumbling under the weight of scrutiny? I haven't laughed out loud that hard in a few weeks. So thanks for that.


I gave up the game when I called out leftist comedians who only have one note jokes that are anti Republican? Anti - 40% plus of the population? I "lose" because I find their version of comedy counter productive? Man alive, you need to look in the mirror bro. Whatever. You find it redeeming. I don't. Did you pass over the part where I also said the right's version of that is deplorable? Either way, I think you are in dire need of a new abacus.


Your selective interpretations of my intentions, despite volumonous posts about where my efforts lie (and don't lie) are a wonderful hybrid of hilarity and confusion. I haven't been trapped by anyone in here. My thoughts and opinions are mine, just as yours are yours. I'm not trying to "prove anyone wrong". I'm not looking for a "gotcha" moment.

And for those who have politely, genuinely asked for me details about certain statements that may have been misconstrued, they are in the thread. I've spent hours upon hours of my time on single posts at 3 in the morning in here trying to make my real thoughts known. Yet here you come saying "I'm losing". The only competition going on here is the ping pong match in your own head.


And you know what else? I'm also not afraid to apologize to people. Even those I full hearted disagree with when I potentially take things too far. The words "Sorry about that" are scarcer in these woods than a sighting of big foot riding the loch ness monster to their weekly bowling league match.


Who's loss is that? Mine for searching for it from some people who have been rude, or those offering no quarter. Again. Whatever. I'm comfortable in my own shoes. I'm 99.82% sure by your tone you're comfortable in your own.


At the end of the day I'm only looking for conversation with people who are willing to consider that people on the other side of the political fence might have something to offer. I'm not sure how many times I can say it. Or how many ways I can say it. You can't "catch me". I'm trying to include everyone. If you're not, again, apparently that's my loss in your estimation. Okie dokie smokey.

The only "offense and anger" I have taken is with people who presume to castigate me in a certain light, or in your instance, talk down to me.

You keep asking me for receipts. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over.


I'm not providing any because that's not the point of my thread. So...... you win? Well what do you know...... I was wrong.... You got me!!!!!!!

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Reply #184 posted 08/20/17 6:44pm

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Well Fenwick, I certainly do understand you better the more you write. However, you are doing things with the forum that are not really kosher. Calling out different people you like/dislike or agree/don't agree with by name in a post is not discussing the issues, it's discussing the people here. And catagorizing them. Any time you have to devote to the forum is great, but coming in with all this sweeping judgment is not in the spirit of coming here, imo.

An example is when you were giving OnlyNDaUsa a glowing review, he was on another thread saying the Charlottesville victim, Heather Heyer, should not have been walking in the street. It was her fault. That does not mean I don't interact with Only, but that was an especially tough day on both threads.

If you are going to talk about someone using a feminine or masculine pronoun, as you did with 13cjk13 (regardless of what they said), you need to know it's correct. Otherwise why not just use they? That is what I think and I meant nothing more by that post. Obviously you took it in another direction.


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What I said was closer to she was in the street and trying to block traffic and he acts contributed to her getting killed but I also said that as not sufficient to give the driver a defense. if you are going to paraphrase you need to be more careful.

With Love, Honor & Respect for all of you...no matter how I argue or disagree my heart is full of love for you all...
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Reply #185 posted 08/20/17 7:34pm

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Poppy was actually being generous. The actual words you used were "playing in the street."
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Reply #186 posted 08/25/17 11:53pm

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midnightmover said:

No, one was produced. They LIED about why Hillary lost the election. Bill Maher has REPEATEDLY made the demonstrably false claim that Jill Stein voters were responsible for Trump. On that other thread I was explaining about the false reporting of the Ukrainian coup and civil war in 2014. All of your beloved presenters lied to you about that.

And I'm not "assuming" that cookie cutter liberals support corporate stooges and warmongers. I don't have to "assume" what I am seeing with my own eyes. They supported Hillary Clinton, a warmonger and Wall Street lackey. They support the Democratic establishment. Naturally, they don't think to themselves that they're supporting warmongers and corporatists. That's what's so sad about it. They're supporting dark forces without even knowing it. This is why we have Donald Trump.

You faux lefties refused to stand for anything. You gave Obama a free pass for 8 years to do NOTHING progressive. He waged war in 7 countries. He made the Bush tax cuts permanent. Income inequality soared at its fastest rate under his leadership. He presided over mass fracking. You cheered him on every step of the way. Then you said nothing as the DNC rigged a primary to install the deeply unpopular Hillary Clinton. You gave us Donald Trump.

Republicans have been purging voter rolls of ethnic minorities for almost 20 years now. The Democrats have done nothing to stop them because they want Republicans to be successful. Not all of the time, but enough of the time so that they can tell progressives that it's "pragmatic" to be right wing. That's what we saw when Bernie went up against Hillary. He was painted as a crazy guy simply for being a genuine progressive. You faux lefties showed just what a mess you have become right there. Your insane Russian hysteria is another sign of it.


YOU - to whom are you referring to? Is that a blanket YOU that enfolds everyone you deem to be liberal minded?

spit Please - Bill Maher is a comedian with an opinion - and that ^ was his opinion. Are you having trouble distinguishing someone's opinion from fact? A purported news show from a a satire? Seriously? That is not an example, it is reaching and grasping at nothing. My beloved presenters rolleyes Stop it.

Not every liberal progressive supported Hillary Clinton. Not every liberal progressive supprts the DNC. Many liberal progressives see what happened in this election and did not cheer Obama every step of the way. But whatever - this is your opinion - something else we do not have to take as fact.



Wait - are you not American? Where do you live?

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I think it's pretty obvious who the "you" I'm referring to is. I'm talking about the faux lefties who blindly swallow establishment propaganda. All of you who have uncritically fallen for the Russia! Russia! bullshit and thought Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in 2016.

And no, Bill Maher's aggressive bullying of Green Party supporters is not just a random opinion he's given. It is part of a co-ordinated message put out by the Democratic establishment (of which he is a member) to divert attention away from why they lost. The suggestion that Green Party voters cost Hillary the election is not an opinion, it's a lie. A straightforward, old fashioned lie. Those people who swallowed the lie may just be useful idiots but people like Maher and Rachel Maddow are too intelligent not to know how dishonest the claim is.

And again, I repeat: the systematically misleading coverage of the Ukrainian coup and civil war in 2014 is indisputable proof that you cannot trust the media to tell you the truth of what's going on. Millionaire comedians like Maher and Noah are absolutely a part of that. Millions of people trust them, but that trust is misplaced. This is not to say that they aren't entertaining, just that they are not independent.

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Reply #187 posted 08/26/17 12:29am

midnightmover

herb4 said:

You gave up the game when you started calling out left leaning comedians.

I think the difference with people like Oliver, Maher or whoever - even CNN, Rolling Stone or MSNBC - is when they fuck up, they issue a retraction or someone gets canned. FOX doubles down. I haven't seen anything you've written that leads me to conclude that "both sides are equal" or the "truth is in the middle". I can also see, read and hear with my own senses and don't rely on platitudes or invisible dieties in the sky to justify my world view or logic.

You've been repeatedly asked for specific examples and have provided none that I've seen.

Also, LOL....a LOT of leftists were very, VERY critical of Obama, myself included, just not for the dumb reasons conservatives seem to assume (that he's a Kenyan, Marxist, Muslim Socialist who is going to give free shit away to every black person or whatever).


You're drawing a false equivalency (a common trap) and your thesis is crumbling badly under the weight of scrutiny, which is ironic because this seems to anger you while at the same time you're trying to posit yourself as a voice of reason willing to listen to "both sides" and the only person here open to reasonable debate.


Ethanol, farm subsidies, prayer in schools (I have no problem with it unless it's mandatory), legalized gambling (to the extent of slot machines in gas stations and shit), affirmative action (I used to be agaisnt it), ADHD medications (I used to be against until my son was diagnosed with it)....

I change my mind all the time about a lot of things but I'm not so naive to subscribe to the idea that I have to ignore objective reality just to coddle individuals that do so for selfish reasons. If that makes me closed minded, then so be it, becasuse, YES, my mind is CLOSED on several issues and I have indeed made up my mind unless shown concrete evidence to the contrary.

I'm assuming the top half of this post is directed at me. I probably should ignore it since it has no substance to it, but since it shows no real comprehension of my point maybe I should help you towards an understanding. You say I gave no example of the millionaire comedians deceiving their viewers for political reasons. Actually, I did; the scapegoating of left wingers like Greens and "Bernie Bros" for example. Jill Stein was not even a third party candidate, she was a fourth party candidate since she got far less votes than the right wing libertarian Gary Johnson, making the attacks on her by the likes of Maher and Rachel Maddow even more disingenuous.

I think the mistake I've made here is assuming a certain level of knowledge that you actually don't have, so when I say Ukraine is an example of how dishonest these guys are; you probably don't know what I'm talking about. I explained it on my thread about Trump and Russia so I'm loathe to type it out again, but I'll briefly sketch it out so you can get an idea. In Ukraine the CIA partnered up with neo Nazis to overthrow a democratically elected government. They then installed a puppet government which murdered East Ukrainians who protested this. Amnesty International detailed at the time the ISIS-style atrocities that were being committed by these American-backed barbarians on the people of East Ukraine. Almost a million East Ukrainians abandoned their homes and fled to Russia to find safety.

Now, the whole time this was going on the media covered Ukraine non-stop. Yet these utterly crucial facts were completely left out of the story. Propagandists like John Stewart exclusively blamed Putin and Russia for the unrest. I have no doubt you would've seen this coverage at the time and most of what I wrote above will sound very strange and unfamiliar to you, simply because it totally contradicts the narrative put out there by the likes of John Stewart.

John Stewart tries to evade responsibility for this by claiming that he's just a comedian, but that is disingenuous because he knows full well that millions of people do indeed get their news from shows like his. He (like his successor Trevor Noah) is doing two jobs at once. Entertaining on the one hand, but also disseminating the exact same propaganda that the rest of the media is. They would be fired if they even tried to do anything else.

And I actually agree that they are not as outrageous as Beck or Coulter. But I also agree with Fenwick that those who watch them and agree with them do indeed have a certain smugness that is a little hard to stomach when you know - as I do - that these comedians and talk show hosts are carrying water for the establishment.

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Reply #188 posted 08/26/17 9:27am

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midnightmover said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


YOU - to whom are you referring to? Is that a blanket YOU that enfolds everyone you deem to be liberal minded?

spit Please - Bill Maher is a comedian with an opinion - and that ^ was his opinion. Are you having trouble distinguishing someone's opinion from fact? A purported news show from a a satire? Seriously? That is not an example, it is reaching and grasping at nothing. My beloved presenters rolleyes Stop it.

Not every liberal progressive supported Hillary Clinton. Not every liberal progressive supprts the DNC. Many liberal progressives see what happened in this election and did not cheer Obama every step of the way. But whatever - this is your opinion - something else we do not have to take as fact.



Wait - are you not American? Where do you live?

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I think it's pretty obvious who the "you" I'm referring to is. I'm talking about the faux lefties who blindly swallow establishment propaganda. All of you who have uncritically fallen for the Russia! Russia! bullshit and thought Hillary Clinton was the best candidate in 2016.

And no, Bill Maher's aggressive bullying of Green Party supporters is not just a random opinion he's given. It is part of a co-ordinated message put out by the Democratic establishment (of which he is a member) to divert attention away from why they lost. The suggestion that Green Party voters cost Hillary the election is not an opinion, it's a lie. A straightforward, old fashioned lie. Those people who swallowed the lie may just be useful idiots but people like Maher and Rachel Maddow are too intelligent not to know how dishonest the claim is.

And again, I repeat: the systematically misleading coverage of the Ukrainian coup and civil war in 2014 is indisputable proof that you cannot trust the media to tell you the truth of what's going on. Millionaire comedians like Maher and Noah are absolutely a part of that. Millions of people trust them, but that trust is misplaced. This is not to say that they aren't entertaining, just that they are not independent.

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bored Um, ok.

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Reply #189 posted 09/01/17 8:18am

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Fenwick said:

jjhunsecker said:

My main genres are probably classic rock, R&B from the 1950s-80s, and Blues. But I love so much stuff- I will go from playing Ella Fitzgerald to Metallica to Glen Campbell (RIP) to Public Enemy in the space of a few hours ...In many ways, I'm still stuck in the 1970s , when I really got into music in my teens. Led Zep may still be my favorite band headbang...

Now with a teenager at home, I hear some modern stuff that I like- my son has showed me that Lady Gaga and Taylor Swift and Frank Ocean make pretty good music that even I can get into . I especially like Bruno Mars and The Weeknd...

I'm the same way diversiy wise. I think my 6 disc changer in my car righ now has Crowded House, WIllie Nelson, King Crimson, Smokey Robinson and two Curtis Mayfields. (Smokey, Curtis and Paul Simon are my 3 headed Mt Rushmore).

I love love love Zep. I do think their legacy is tainted by stealing all those tunes on their first few albums without giving proper credit. But they certainly grew to become a creative force of brilliant music. Their super deluxe box sets STILL haven't really come down in price yet. I've only got Zoso, Houses of the Holy and Physical Graffiti thus far. The bonus discs are weird. Half of the tunes are really insightful alternate takes/stages. But the other half are barely any different at all. Frustrating given how expensive they are.

Fenwick- You might find this interesting. I grew up and spent most of my younger days living in Brooklyn, NY. I used to live a few blocks from Wingate field- which was the site of Curtis Mayfield's paralyzing accident . In fact, I was planning to attend that concert that evening (it was part of an annual summer series of concerts at that location), but I recall coming home from work late and too tired to go, so I missed it. A tragedy for CM, for sure.
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Reply #190 posted 09/02/17 10:52am

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I forgot one. I've done a complete 180 on nuclear power and think it's the real answer to our energy problems. Used to be totally against.

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Reply #191 posted 09/02/17 11:33pm

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I forgot one. I've done a complete 180 on nuclear power and think it's the real answer to our energy problems. Used to be totally against.

You got it right the first time. Energy efficiency is the only real answer to our energy problems, but it's not as sexy as building big new reactors and various mega projects.

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Reply #192 posted 09/07/17 3:56am

Fenwick

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Fenwick said:

I'm the same way diversiy wise. I think my 6 disc changer in my car righ now has Crowded House, WIllie Nelson, King Crimson, Smokey Robinson and two Curtis Mayfields. (Smokey, Curtis and Paul Simon are my 3 headed Mt Rushmore).

I love love love Zep. I do think their legacy is tainted by stealing all those tunes on their first few albums without giving proper credit. But they certainly grew to become a creative force of brilliant music. Their super deluxe box sets STILL haven't really come down in price yet. I've only got Zoso, Houses of the Holy and Physical Graffiti thus far. The bonus discs are weird. Half of the tunes are really insightful alternate takes/stages. But the other half are barely any different at all. Frustrating given how expensive they are.

Fenwick- You might find this interesting. I grew up and spent most of my younger days living in Brooklyn, NY. I used to live a few blocks from Wingate field- which was the site of Curtis Mayfield's paralyzing accident . In fact, I was planning to attend that concert that evening (it was part of an annual summer series of concerts at that location), but I recall coming home from work late and too tired to go, so I missed it. A tragedy for CM, for sure.

No way!!!!! That's so devastating.

I've always felt Curtis has been massively over looked in the pantheon of artists and their contributions to music. He was such a pioneer on so many levels. He deserves a TV special for people to bring his songs back to the masses. His canon of music with the Impressions is peerless. And everyone says, "Superfyl Superfly"! Kind of like Zep and the "Zoso" album.

But his first six or seven solo records are also phenomenal. He lost a little touch with the disco sound years for my taste. But heck, that was 15 plus years into his career and times were changing. His voice. His guitar. His songs. His message. What a loss.

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Reply #193 posted 09/07/17 7:29am

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Fenwick said:

jjhunsecker said:

Fenwick- You might find this interesting. I grew up and spent most of my younger days living in Brooklyn, NY. I used to live a few blocks from Wingate field- which was the site of Curtis Mayfield's paralyzing accident . In fact, I was planning to attend that concert that evening (it was part of an annual summer series of concerts at that location), but I recall coming home from work late and too tired to go, so I missed it. A tragedy for CM, for sure.

No way!!!!! That's so devastating.

I've always felt Curtis has been massively over looked in the pantheon of artists and their contributions to music. He was such a pioneer on so many levels. He deserves a TV special for people to bring his songs back to the masses. His canon of music with the Impressions is peerless. And everyone says, "Superfyl Superfly"! Kind of like Zep and the "Zoso" album.

But his first six or seven solo records are also phenomenal. He lost a little touch with the disco sound years for my taste. But heck, that was 15 plus years into his career and times were changing. His voice. His guitar. His songs. His message. What a loss.

I don't know if you have seen this. It appears to be out of print (which is why the new price is so high), but it's excellent :

https://www.amazon.com/Mu...yfield+dvd

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Reply #194 posted 09/07/17 7:55am

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Reply #195 posted 09/07/17 8:02am

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jjhunsecker said:

Fenwick said:

No way!!!!! That's so devastating.

I've always felt Curtis has been massively over looked in the pantheon of artists and their contributions to music. He was such a pioneer on so many levels. He deserves a TV special for people to bring his songs back to the masses. His canon of music with the Impressions is peerless. And everyone says, "Superfyl Superfly"! Kind of like Zep and the "Zoso" album.

But his first six or seven solo records are also phenomenal. He lost a little touch with the disco sound years for my taste. But heck, that was 15 plus years into his career and times were changing. His voice. His guitar. His songs. His message. What a loss.

I don't know if you have seen this. It appears to be out of print (which is why the new price is so high), but it's excellent :

https://www.amazon.com/Mu...yfield+dvd

Looks good. While we're talking Curtis, you and Fenwick might enjoy this documentary from 1995 by the writer Caryl Phillips (whose own writing about race and culture is also well worth a read). Todd Mayfield's recent biography of his father is also very illuminating, from what I've read of it so far. cool

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Reply #196 posted 09/07/17 8:50am

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deebee said:

jjhunsecker said:

I don't know if you have seen this. It appears to be out of print (which is why the new price is so high), but it's excellent :

https://www.amazon.com/Mu...yfield+dvd

Looks good. While we're talking Curtis, you and Fenwick might enjoy this documentary from 1995 by the writer Caryl Phillips (whose own writing about race and culture is also well worth a read). Todd Mayfield's recent biography of his father is also very illuminating, from what I've read of it so far. cool

Thanks, I will check these out. I heard that the book by his son was quite revealing

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Reply #197 posted 09/07/17 9:06am

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midnightmover said:

herb4 said:

I forgot one. I've done a complete 180 on nuclear power and think it's the real answer to our energy problems. Used to be totally against.

You got it right the first time. Energy efficiency is the only real answer to our energy problems, but it's not as sexy as building big new reactors and various mega projects.


I hardly find neclear reactors "sexy" at all, or even particularly desireable, just the most logical and effecient way to address our energy problems. I think I was wrong the first time, which was the subject of the thread.

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Reply #198 posted 09/07/17 3:26pm

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deebee said:

Looks good. While we're talking Curtis, you and Fenwick might enjoy this documentary from 1995 by the writer Caryl Phillips (whose own writing about race and culture is also well worth a read). Todd Mayfield's recent biography of his father is also very illuminating, from what I've read of it so far. cool

Thanks, I will check these out. I heard that the book by his son was quite revealing

Thanks guys!



I got the Move on Up documentary he week of release. It is exceptional. Fred and Sam were still in great form and it was wonderful to see interviews with Johnny Pate as well.

Such great stuff.

Deebee. I've had the bio in my cart for long time but just haven't pulled the trigger yet. I'll definitely heck out that documentary you shared the link on as well. Thanks for sharing!


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Deebee, anarchism would save the black community.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
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Reply #200 posted 09/09/17 4:14am

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midnightmover said:

You got it right the first time. Energy efficiency is the only real answer to our energy problems, but it's not as sexy as building big new reactors and various mega projects.


I hardly find neclear reactors "sexy" at all, or even particularly desireable, just the most logical and effecient way to address our energy problems. I think I was wrong the first time, which was the subject of the thread.

I wasn't referring to you specifically there. I meant that we collectively (or at least the dominant powers in our society) are ignoring the most logical way to address our energy problems for various irrational reasons. Energy efficiency is OBVIOUSLY the best, most effective thing we can do, but, like I said, it's not "sexy" (and it would reduce the profits of energy companies).

Nuclear is extremely expensive, risky and a very cruel burden to impose on future generations who are lumbered with the radioactive waste for 10, 000 years after we've finished with it. From a holistic perpective it is insane.

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Deebee, anarchism would save the black community.

It's too late for Curtis, though. confused

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Curtis Mayfield's voice and delivery is completely singular. I loved him at first listen.
His sound is an instrument he invented. touched

Kick the old-school joints. For the true funk soldiers.
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booty!



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Bring it ova Queenie.

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