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Reply #30 posted 07/07/17 10:48am

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Should we legalize crack? Yes.

Should we legalize meth? Yes.

Should we legalize it for everyone? Yes.

Should we legalize it for someone pregnant. eek

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Reply #31 posted 07/07/17 11:07am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

djThunderfunk said: Exactly.

I disagree on principal. If you think China is better if you think there is "freedom" in working for 18 hours a day in a factory with fence keeping in for cents an hour that is different than living in America where many people do nothing and get by. People make bad choices they wind up in prison though it is an industrial complex those very people are sleeping about the NWO/Globalists agenda.


I'm with you on the globalist agenda. It's an agenda to lessen our freedoms and bring us down to the level of less free countries.

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Reply #32 posted 07/07/17 11:11am

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2elijah said:

djThunderfunk said:


Ok, we're having 2 conversations, so to clarify:

When I bring up phones and devices, I am not talking about American prison labor but rather the sweat shops in Asia. The people who make them make pennies and many commit suicide to escape. Look it up.

Now on to America. Yes. Agreed. The American prison industrial complex is a disgrace. It is fueled primarily by the war on drugs. I am not blaming "one political party", I blame BOTH political parties for continuing to perpetuate the problem. I know the republican party will do NOTHING to change this, I am simply making sure you know that the democrat party will also do NOTHING to change it. Both obey their corporate overlords, NEITHER will make moves to end it.

Therefore, if you want to see an end to this problem, step one is to end the war on drugs. As neither the republican party or the democrat party will do that, it only makes sense to support the libertarians or another independant party that does want to end the war on drugs and does want to reduce our prison population.

Voting for democrats will perpetuate the problem as much as voting for republicans. If you are voting for either then you are supporting the continuation of the war on drugs and the escalation of our prison industrial complex.

Does this clarify my position for you? Because, I don't think we really disagree about the problems, maybe the solution, but not the problem. Rather I think we are miscommunicating with each other.


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The war on drugs is bs and this whole drug thing, is bigger than any party one supports, because that will not stop drugs from flowing into this country. Drug money buys weapons. Drugs funds wars. Full prisons and jail cells brings profits, cheap labor and avoids layoffs in law enforcement. I mean when was the last time we've heard of police dept layoffs? Probably not since the early 80s. And yes how can the rest of the world take America's 'words seriously, about ' justice and liberty for all,' when America has the highest number of people incarcerated in the world, and have behind-the-scenes cheap labor force going on, then criticized and judge another country for their wrongs and injustices? That just doesn't make any sense. [Edited 7/7/17 10:37am]



OK. But when the democrats are no more interested than changing this problem than the republicans, BUT, libertarians and other 3rd parties ARE interested in changing things, politics does matter. Libertarians for instance want to end the war on drugs and greatly reduce our prison population. Neither trump nor hillary will get behind this idea because they both accept too much money from those that profit from this system.

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Reply #33 posted 07/07/17 11:15am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Should we legalize crack? Yes.

Should we legalize meth? Yes.

Should we legalize it for everyone? Yes.

Should we legalize it for someone pregnant. eek


Yes. Legalize all drugs and treat drug abuse as the health issue that it is.

What happened when we made alcohol illegal? We created a whole new class of criminal and crime increased.

Same thing with drugs.

If a pregnant woman willfully does something that harms the baby it shouldn't matter if that thing is crack or whiskey, it should be the harm that is addressed and not dependent on the legality of the specific substance.


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Reply #34 posted 07/07/17 11:29am

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djThunderfunk said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Should we legalize crack? Yes.

Should we legalize meth? Yes.

Should we legalize it for everyone? Yes.

Should we legalize it for someone pregnant. eek


Yes. Legalize all drugs and treat drug abuse as the health issue that it is.

What happened when we made alcohol illegal? We created a whole new class of criminal and crime increased.

Same thing with drugs.

If a pregnant woman willfully does something that harms the baby it shouldn't matter if that thing is crack or whiskey, it should be the harm that is addressed and not dependent on the legality of the specific substance.


Maybe DJ but I think many people and politicians would debate those statements. Plus it will likely never happen "legalize all drugs" so why not view the problem more realistic instead of fantasy.

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Reply #35 posted 07/07/17 11:57am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

djThunderfunk said:


Yes. Legalize all drugs and treat drug abuse as the health issue that it is.

What happened when we made alcohol illegal? We created a whole new class of criminal and crime increased.

Same thing with drugs.

If a pregnant woman willfully does something that harms the baby it shouldn't matter if that thing is crack or whiskey, it should be the harm that is addressed and not dependent on the legality of the specific substance.


Maybe DJ but I think many people and politicians would debate those statements. Plus it will likely never happen "legalize all drugs" so why not view the problem more realistic instead of fantasy.


Why not? How can anyone justify incarceration for using a dangerous substance? Has the war on drugs reduced drug use? Has it reduced drug related crime? Has it made us safer? Has it reduced the cost to society that comes from drug abuse?

No. No. No. No.

It costs us more money, increases drug use, increases drug related crime, creates new criminal industries and makes us less safe and less free.

The war on drugs is a proven failure in every respect, AND it is now a matter of public record that the behind the scenes reasons for starting it were not those mentioned publicly (and above) but rather it was designed as a means of disrupting civil rights and anti-war activism. It had racist beginings and racist results and needs to be dismantled.

If it worked, maybe you would have a point. As it is, either one of us can get any illegal drug we want with little effort and little danger of being busted. So... FAIL!

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Reply #36 posted 07/07/17 1:07pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



2elijah said:


djThunderfunk said:



We are the WORST in the world for prison population:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm


Check the stats. We are worse than China and Russia. This is disgraceful that the country of "freedom" has more prisoners per capita than the countries we consider "oppressive".



Exactly.


I disagree on principal. If you think China is better if you think there is "freedom" in working for 18 hours a day in a factory with fence keeping in for cents an hour that is different than living in America where many people do nothing and get by. People make bad choices they wind up in prison though it is an industrial complex those very people are sleeping about the NWO/Globalists agenda.


China is not exactly a country that fronts itself as 'with liberty and justice for all.' That's the difference.
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Reply #37 posted 07/07/17 1:32pm

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I disagree on principal. If you think China is better if you think there is "freedom" in working for 18 hours a day in a factory with fence keeping in for cents an hour that is different than living in America where many people do nothing and get by. People make bad choices they wind up in prison though it is an industrial complex those very people are sleeping about the NWO/Globalists agenda.

China is not exactly a country that fronts itself as 'with liberty and justice for all.' That's the difference.

True. China, ISIS, North Korea they don't realy advertise well do they?

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Reply #38 posted 07/08/17 8:23am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said:



I disagree on principal. If you think China is better if you think there is "freedom" in working for 18 hours a day in a factory with fence keeping in for cents an hour that is different than living in America where many people do nothing and get by. People make bad choices they wind up in prison though it is an industrial complex those very people are sleeping about the NWO/Globalists agenda.



China is not exactly a country that fronts itself as 'with liberty and justice for all.' That's the difference.


True. China, ISIS, North Korea they don't realy advertise well do they?


The point is, America lies to the world that there is 'liberty and justice for all' in its pledge, yet it does not fully live up to that pledge. It's bs.
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Reply #39 posted 07/08/17 9:25am

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

True. China, ISIS, North Korea they don't realy advertise well do they?

The point is, America lies to the world that there is 'liberty and justice for all' in its pledge, yet it does not fully live up to that pledge. It's bs.

America like any other country is far from perfect but communism and socialism is not the answer.

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Reply #40 posted 07/08/17 10:22am

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Interesting commentary and, to IanRG's point, one that calls out the elephant in the room for the world outside of the U.S. -- albeit perhaps particularly alongside a certain degree of familial spite from the broader Anglosphere/Commonwealth alum.



Since relocating to Canada, it's been rich to revisit the American Revolution from a Loyalist vantagepoint. I'm likely among the last people on earth who could be called a stan for the British Crown, but I find much of the Loyalist critique of the U.S., certainly in retrospect, to be persuasive, with an independent former colony that has turned out in ways that should surprise absolutely no one.

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Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #41 posted 07/08/17 11:23am

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Haven't read the article, but everything political is a fantasy. We can wade in it, go knee deep, or scuba dive into the deep end. What's important now, is that it's all being recorded, all the good, and all the bad, all the good intentions, and ill deeds. That's how we learn and grow.

Everything else is just fanboy revelry, not revolution.

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Reply #42 posted 07/09/17 4:12am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said:



True. China, ISIS, North Korea they don't realy advertise well do they?



The point is, America lies to the world that there is 'liberty and justice for all' in its pledge, yet it does not fully live up to that pledge. It's bs.


America like any other country is far from perfect but communism and socialism is not the answer.


Neither are lies about liberty and justice for all.
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Reply #43 posted 07/09/17 10:21am

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Globalist agenda: Jews?? omg

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