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Reply #510 posted 05/19/17 4:59pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

benni said:


Spicer hasn't denied it. In fact, he seems to confirm it when he says, "Comey was putting unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia.....The real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations."


He's right. Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face, the person or people responsible for leaking these private highly sensitive conversations obviously cares only about bringing down Trump even at the expense of the United States of America. Shameful.


I was watching this latest controversy on news tonight and they brought up that point. However, someone commented that the news source that broke this latest story has admitted only that the person that is leaking the information is an insider, and they discussed how some of those that are leaking information are career politicians, some are republicans, some that have been appointed, disagree with the things that Trump is doing, love their country, and just feel like what they are doing is to protect their country from this man.

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Reply #511 posted 05/19/17 6:17pm

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2elijah said:

SoulAlive said:

BREAKING NEWS:

"I fired that nut job Comey",Trump bragged to Russians,also saying that "it takes pressure off of me from the Russia investigation".

Go to CNN for the full story :lol:

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'Only' doesn't believe the reports are accurate. Lol. Yet the reports states that info is in the document that summarized trump's meeting with the Russians.

Well , he's a partisan to the end . I doubt he'll believe any evidence presented.
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Reply #512 posted 05/19/17 6:22pm

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SoulAlive said:


I knew that Trump would make a horrible president,so I'm not surprised at all these recent scandals....but still,I am amazed at how *dumb* he appears to be lol it's as if he is trying to get impeached on purpose....which goes back to my theory that he doesn't really truly want to be president hmmm


I kind of agree. He liked the idea of winning but what he won was a lot of shit he really doesn't want to deal with and unfortunatley (other than McMasters) he appointed the winners of the 2017 Amatuer Advisory Competition and now all this mess. His narcissism will not let him admit that he hates being president and that people hate him because of it.


Agree with you and SoulAlive. Trump is too incompetent to be president.


But the "people" wanted "change " !! This is what they asked for... by electing a reality TV star as the leader of the free world
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Reply #513 posted 05/19/17 6:25pm

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2elijah said:


OnlyNDaUsa said: The report states that is what is indicated, in the document summarizing that meeting.



if you assume the report is accurate.




do you assume the transcript is inaccurate? if so, why?


Because it puts a "conservative" Republican in a bad light... so it must be fake news
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Reply #514 posted 05/19/17 6:54pm

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I was watching this latest controversy on news tonight and they brought up that point. However, someone commented that the news source that broke this latest story has admitted only that the person that is leaking the information is an insider, and they discussed how some of those that are leaking information are career politicians, some are republicans, some that have been appointed, disagree with the things that Trump is doing, love their country, and just feel like what they are doing is to protect their country from this man.


That's not how a democracy works. There's no doubt in my mind that every politician, including Hillary and Obama, believes what they're doing is what's best for the country. And their supporters think the same thing. But you can't try to bring down an elected leader just because you don't agree with some of his policies. Most people knew Obamacare was a disaster that was rammed down our throats, but did anybody try to remove Obama from office because of it? Nope.

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Reply #515 posted 05/19/17 7:14pm

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benni said:


That's not how a democracy works. There's no doubt in my mind that every politician, including Hillary and Obama, believes what they're doing is what's best for the country. And their supporters think the same thing. But you can't try to bring down an elected leader just because you don't agree with some of his policies. Most people knew Obamacare was a disaster that was rammed down our throats, but did anybody try to remove Obama from office because of it? Nope.


This is no where near passing an unpopular policy. This is an individual who is possibly colluding with a foreign power that we have never had a good and secure relationship with, a country that has been considered an enemy more than they have ever been considered an ally. There is a HUGE difference between individuals disagreeing with a policy and individuals seeing what they believe to be against the law and wanting to bring attention to what is allegedly occuring and is a danger to the country through collusion with that foreign nation that does not have the USA's best interests at heart and will use whatever intel they get to harm our country.

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Reply #516 posted 05/20/17 3:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

if you assume the report is accurate.


do you assume the transcript is inaccurate? if so, why?

I made no assumption. why do you (other than your hate for Trump and Republican ideology in general)?

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Reply #517 posted 05/20/17 4:36am

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2elijah said:


Agree with you and SoulAlive. Trump is too incompetent to be president.


But the "people" wanted "change " !! This is what they asked for... by electing a reality TV star as the leader of the free world

They were idiots drinking the 'orange' juice. Lol.
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
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Reply #518 posted 05/20/17 6:15am

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benni said:

This is no where near passing an unpopular policy. This is an individual who is possibly colluding with a foreign power that we have never had a good and secure relationship with, a country that has been considered an enemy more than they have ever been considered an ally. There is a HUGE difference between individuals disagreeing with a policy and individuals seeing what they believe to be against the law and wanting to bring attention to what is allegedly occuring and is a danger to the country through collusion with that foreign nation that does not have the USA's best interests at heart and will use whatever intel they get to harm our country.


Key word: POSSIBLY

No proof has been presented yet.

As for your description of the Russian/American relationship over the years, yes we had the "Cold War" between 1945-1990 but our relationship has MUCH improved with the breakup of the Soviet Union. The threat of nuclear war was a constant prior to 1991, it's not anymore.

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Reply #519 posted 05/20/17 7:35am

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benni said:

This is no where near passing an unpopular policy. This is an individual who is possibly colluding with a foreign power that we have never had a good and secure relationship with, a country that has been considered an enemy more than they have ever been considered an ally. There is a HUGE difference between individuals disagreeing with a policy and individuals seeing what they believe to be against the law and wanting to bring attention to what is allegedly occuring and is a danger to the country through collusion with that foreign nation that does not have the USA's best interests at heart and will use whatever intel they get to harm our country.


Key word: POSSIBLY

No proof has been presented yet.

As for your description of the Russian/American relationship over the years, yes we had the "Cold War" between 1945-1990 but our relationship has MUCH improved with the breakup of the Soviet Union. The threat of nuclear war was a constant prior to 1991, it's not anymore.


I never said it has never improved over the years, but it has never been a good and secure relationship. There has always been that underlying sense of unease in our country's relationship with Russia. Thus Trump claiming that he wants to improve our relationship with them.

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Reply #520 posted 05/20/17 7:47am

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benni said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Key word: POSSIBLY

No proof has been presented yet.

As for your description of the Russian/American relationship over the years, yes we had the "Cold War" between 1945-1990 but our relationship has MUCH improved with the breakup of the Soviet Union. The threat of nuclear war was a constant prior to 1991, it's not anymore.


I never said it has never improved over the years, but it has never been a good and secure relationship. There has always been that underlying sense of unease in our country's relationship with Russia. Thus Trump claiming that he wants to improve our relationship with them.


Ever since Putin rose to power relationships with Russia have deteriorated. Putin's Russia does not share American/Western values. They would love nothing more than to take it down. Russia is not to be trusted - every elected offical seems to know that but 45.

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Reply #521 posted 05/20/17 8:49am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
But the "people" wanted "change " !! This is what they asked for... by electing a reality TV star as the leader of the free world
They were idiots drinking the 'orange' juice. Lol.

falloff falloff
orange drink

Dance, shake it like a peckerwood.
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Reply #522 posted 05/20/17 9:11am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:
But the "people" wanted "change " !! This is what they asked for... by electing a reality TV star as the leader of the free world
They were idiots drinking the 'orange' juice. Lol.

Feels like a reality TV show! Unreal... whofarted

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Reply #523 posted 05/20/17 9:22am

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benni said:


I never said it has never improved over the years, but it has never been a good and secure relationship. There has always been that underlying sense of unease in our country's relationship with Russia. Thus Trump claiming that he wants to improve our relationship with them.


Ever since Putin rose to power relationships with Russia have deteriorated. Putin's Russia does not share American/Western values. They would love nothing more than to take it down. Russia is not to be trusted - every elected offical seems to know that but 45.


Yeah and I don't think what little relationship we have with Russia is going to survive Trump, no matter how much he wants to "improve" that relationship.

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Reply #524 posted 05/20/17 9:49am

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I never said it has never improved over the years, but it has never been a good and secure relationship. There has always been that underlying sense of unease in our country's relationship with Russia. Thus Trump claiming that he wants to improve our relationship with them.


I'm sure you have a different opinion of what a "secure" relationship between countries might be, but I think you need to remember Trump's declaration of "America first", just as every other country should place their interests before others. So yeah don't expect Russia to ever bend over backwards to help the US, or vice versa.

As for Putin, I certainly don't care for him ... but, we are absolutely on better relations with him than Obama was with him. Remember what Obama did to Russia right before he left office?

And remember, just recently we bombed an ally of Russia. Did that negatively impact our relationship with Russia? Nyet. Which is ample proof we're on damn good terms with them.

Ya know, it's hilarious how the radical liberals can't decide whether they should complain about Trump being too friendly with Russia, or being too "mean" with them. Make up your damn minds!! One minute they're saying Trump is Russia's bitch, the next minute they are saying Trump is turning America into an enemy of Russia's. I mean, we all knew the radical liberals were mentally ill ... but we didn't know they were severely skitzophrenic!

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Reply #525 posted 05/20/17 9:55am

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benni said:


I never said it has never improved over the years, but it has never been a good and secure relationship. There has always been that underlying sense of unease in our country's relationship with Russia. Thus Trump claiming that he wants to improve our relationship with them.


I'm sure you have a different opinion of what a "secure" relationship between countries might be, but I think you need to remember Trump's declaration of "America first", just as every other country should place their interests before others. So yeah don't expect Russia to ever bend over backwards to help the US, or vice versa.

As for Putin, I certainly don't care for him ... but, we are absolutely on better relations with him than Obama was with him. Remember what Obama did to Russia right before he left office?

And remember, just recently we bombed an ally of Russia. Did that negatively impact our relationship with Russia? Nyet. Which is ample proof we're on damn good terms with them.

Ya know, it's hilarious how the radical liberals can't decide whether they should complain about Trump being too friendly with Russia, or being too "mean" with them. Make up your damn minds!! One minute they're saying Trump is Russia's bitch, the next minute they are saying Trump is turning America into an enemy of Russia's. I mean, we all knew the radical liberals were mentally ill ... but we didn't know they were severely skitzophrenic!


Umm, regarding that bombing of an ally of their's, Trump warned Russia who was able to warn their ally. Of course, they're not upset about that situation. And who said I'm a liberal? I've never stated what exactly my political affiliation is, because it is complicated. My complaint with Russia has to do with them interferring in our electorial process. Russia should have consequences for that and Trump has gone out of his way to make sure there were no consequences, but of course, that's because he benefited from it. When he starts yelling voter fraud and then supports a country that has interferred with our elections....well, that's a little hypocritical.

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Reply #526 posted 05/20/17 10:01am

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Umm, regarding that bombing of an ally of their's, Trump warned Russia who was able to warn their ally. Of course, they're not upset about that situation. And who said I'm a liberal? I've never stated what exactly my political affiliation is, because it is complicated. My complaint with Russia has to do with them interferring in our electorial process. Russia should have consequences for that and Trump has gone out of his way to make sure there were no consequences, but of course, that's because he benefited from it. When he starts yelling voter fraud and then supports a country that has interferred with our elections....well, that's a little hypocritical.


I wasn't referring to you as a radical liberal, none of that was directed at you.

Where did you see that Trump warned Russia of the attack on Syria? Source please.

There is ZERO evidence of Russia interfering with last year's election. Please stop stating speculation as if it were fact, you're not doing yourself any favors that way.

If he did warn Russia about Syria, he should be reprimanded.

And if Russia did impact the election, there should be consequences. But there needs to be proof.

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Reply #527 posted 05/20/17 10:01am

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Edit: Duplicate glitch again mad

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Reply #528 posted 05/20/17 1:47pm

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Reply #529 posted 05/20/17 1:48pm

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Too funny! lol lol lol lol lol

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Reply #530 posted 05/20/17 1:54pm

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Good one, PennyP!!!! lol lol lol lol lol falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff


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Reply #531 posted 05/20/17 1:57pm

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Trump is such a crybaby! Whenever things don't go his way, he's waaaa-waaaaaaa-waaaahhh!! He's the most unfairly treated President in American history!! LMAO!! lol lol

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Reply #533 posted 05/20/17 5:26pm

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Reply #534 posted 05/20/17 7:29pm

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benni said:


Umm, regarding that bombing of an ally of their's, Trump warned Russia who was able to warn their ally. Of course, they're not upset about that situation. And who said I'm a liberal? I've never stated what exactly my political affiliation is, because it is complicated. My complaint with Russia has to do with them interferring in our electorial process. Russia should have consequences for that and Trump has gone out of his way to make sure there were no consequences, but of course, that's because he benefited from it. When he starts yelling voter fraud and then supports a country that has interferred with our elections....well, that's a little hypocritical.


I wasn't referring to you as a radical liberal, none of that was directed at you.

Where did you see that Trump warned Russia of the attack on Syria? Source please.

There is ZERO evidence of Russia interfering with last year's election. Please stop stating speculation as if it were fact, you're not doing yourself any favors that way.

If he did warn Russia about Syria, he should be reprimanded.

And if Russia did impact the election, there should be consequences. But there needs to be proof.



https://theintercept.com/...lly-syria/ -- This is just one link discussing Trump warning Russia of attack.

Here is the report on Russian interference:

https://www.dni.gov/files...017_01.pdf

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Reply #535 posted 05/20/17 7:39pm

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Here is just a part of the report:


We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election, the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. |

We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the election, the Russian influence campaign then focused on undermining her expected presidency. 

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence. 

In trying to influence the US election, we assess the Kremlin sought to advance its longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, the promotion of which Putin and other senior Russian leaders view as a threat to Russia and Putin’s regime. 

Putin publicly pointed to the Panama Papers disclosure and the Olympic doping scandal as US-directed efforts to defame Russia, suggesting he sought to use disclosures to discredit the image of the United States and cast it as hypocritical. 

Putin most likely wanted to discredit Secretary Clinton because he has publicly blamed her since 2011 for inciting mass protests against his regime in late 2011 and early 2012, and because he holds a grudge for comments he almost certainly saw as disparaging him. We assess Putin, his advisers, and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump over Secretary Clinton. 

Beginning in June, Putin’s public comments about the US presidential race avoided directly praising President-elect Trump, probably because Kremlin officials thought that any praise from Putin personally would backfire in the United States. Nonetheless, Putin publicly indicated a preference for President-elect Trump’s stated policy to work with Russia, and pro-Kremlin figures spoke highly about what they saw as his Russia-friendly positions on Syria and Ukraine. Putin publicly contrasted the President-elect’s approach to Russia with Secretary Clinton’s “aggressive rhetoric.” 

Moscow also saw the election of Presidentelect Trump as a way to achieve an international counterterrorism coalition against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL).  Putin has had many positive experiences working with Western political leaders whose business interests made them more disposed to deal with Russia, such as former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi and former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. 

Putin, Russian officials, and other pro-Kremlin pundits stopped publicly criticizing the US election process as unfair almost immediately This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign. 2 after the election because Moscow probably assessed it would be counterproductive to building positive relations. We assess the influence campaign aspired to help President-elect Trump’s chances of victory when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to the President-elect. When it appeared to Moscow that Secretary Clinton was likely to win the presidency the Russian influence campaign focused more on undercutting Secretary Clinton’s legitimacy and crippling her presidency from its start, including by impugning the fairness of the election. 

Before the election, Russian diplomats had publicly denounced the US electoral process and were prepared to publicly call into question the validity of the results. ProKremlin bloggers had prepared a Twitter campaign, #DemocracyRIP, on election night in anticipation of Secretary Clinton’s victory, judging from their social media activity. Russian Campaign Was Multifaceted Moscow’s use of disclosures during the US election was unprecedented, but its influence campaign otherwise followed a longstanding Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, statefunded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” 

We assess that influence campaigns are approved at the highest levels of the Russian Government—particularly those that would be politically sensitive. 

Moscow’s campaign aimed at the US election reflected years of investment in its capabilities, which Moscow has honed in the former Soviet states. 

By their nature, Russian influence campaigns are multifaceted and designed to be deniable because they use a mix of agents of influence, cutouts, front organizations, and false-flag operations. Moscow demonstrated this during the Ukraine crisis in 2014, when Russia deployed forces and advisers to eastern Ukraine and denied it publicly. The Kremlin’s campaign aimed at the US election featured disclosures of data obtained through Russian cyber operations; intrusions into US state and local electoral boards; and overt propaganda. Russian intelligence collection both informed and enabled the influence campaign.

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Reply #536 posted 05/20/17 7:46pm

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Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin. 

Russia’s intelligence services conducted cyber operations against targets associated with the 2016 US presidential election, including targets associated with both major US political parties. 

We assess with high confidence that Russian military intelligence (General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate or GRU) used the Guccifer 2.0 persona and DCLeaks.com to release US victim data obtained in cyber operations publicly and in exclusives to media outlets and relayed material to WikiLeaks. 

Russian intelligence obtained and maintained access to elements of multiple US state or local electoral boards. DHS assesses that the types of systems Russian actors targeted or compromised were not involved in vote tallying. 

Russia’s state-run propaganda machine contributed to the influence campaign by serving as a platform for Kremlin messaging to Russian and international audiences.

We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.

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Reply #537 posted 05/20/17 8:53pm

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The funny thing is 45, the piece of shit, will be in prison soon.

Matthew 5:38-39
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Reply #538 posted 05/21/17 2:38am

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Good one, PennyP!!!! lol lol lol lol lol falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff falloff




biggrin this one might be my current fave.



Yep, I love this image. Pretty much depicts how a lot of Americans are laughing at trump the clown, and his failing presidency. Trump is proving everyday that he was never qualified to be president.
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Reply #539 posted 05/21/17 5:13am

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The funny thing is 45, the piece of shit, will be in prison soon.


Funnier thing, you claimed last year Hillary would soon be president of the United States of America.

You seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word "soon". lol

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