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Thread started 03/29/17 1:37pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Man shoots and kills 3 home invaders!

I hope I am never in this situation but kudos to the man for doing what needed to be done. I am sure some will twist this all kinds of ways but the man was in the right. The 3 young people that gave up their rights as soon as they broke in... and the 4th accomplice is facing charges for the murder of his 3 pals.



(CNN)Three teenagers dressed in black and wearing masks and gloves were killed by a resident when they broke into a home, Oklahoma authorities said Monday.

A fourth suspect, the alleged getaway driver, now faces first-degree murder counts in their deaths, authorities said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...-burglary/

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #1 posted 03/29/17 2:57pm

djThunderfunk

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Most in this forum would probably rather see the residents victimized than defend themselves with a gun.

I say this kid is a hero. Maybe the three home invaders shouldn't have broken in if they didn't want to get shot.




We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #2 posted 03/29/17 3:02pm

Pokeno4Money

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This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #3 posted 03/29/17 3:06pm

PANDURITO

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......barf.....

THIS THREAD

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Reply #4 posted 03/29/17 3:37pm

SuperFurryAnim
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Some guys play Space Invaders some kill Home Invaders. He should be invited to the White House.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #5 posted 03/29/17 4:06pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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PANDURITO said:

......barf.....

THIS THREAD

yeah! sad they lacked any moral education and give up their lives...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #6 posted 03/29/17 4:08pm

SomeSoldier

Pokeno4Money said:

This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.


You want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead?
I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I am not going to criticise in any way the home owner, I am happy that he and his family are fine. I am not going to justify in any way the actions of the four kids or get into any debate about their backgrounds, as they do not justify what they chose to do. I am not even going to discuss whether other outcomes (maybe in different cultures) may have been possible. But You have just said that you want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead.
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Reply #7 posted 03/29/17 4:19pm

2freaky4church
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DJ, was Bernard Goetz a hero?

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #8 posted 03/29/17 4:26pm

Pokeno4Money

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SomeSoldier said:

Pokeno4Money said:

This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.

You want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead? I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I am not going to criticise in any way the home owner, I am happy that he and his family are fine. I am not going to justify in any way the actions of the four kids or get into any debate about their backgrounds, as they do not justify what they chose to do. I am not even going to discuss whether other outcomes (maybe in different cultures) may have been possible. But You have just said that you want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead.


Are you kidding me? You can't even comprehend just a two-sentence message? For real? eek

I'll let someone else point out to you that I clearly did not mention ANYTHING about age.

I'll let someone else point out to you that I endorse the shooting of ALL home invaders, regardless of age or gender or religion or nationality or whatever.

We need to protect the innocent by purging those who commit evil acts. Only then can we live safely.

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Reply #9 posted 03/29/17 4:28pm

Pokeno4Money

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, was Bernard Goetz a hero?

married with children

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Reply #10 posted 03/29/17 4:35pm

djThunderfunk

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SomeSoldier said:

Pokeno4Money said:

This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.

You want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead? I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I am not going to criticise in any way the home owner, I am happy that he and his family are fine. I am not going to justify in any way the actions of the four kids or get into any debate about their backgrounds, as they do not justify what they chose to do. I am not even going to discuss whether other outcomes (maybe in different cultures) may have been possible. But You have just said that you want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead.


They wouldn't be dead if they hadn't broken into a home.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #11 posted 03/29/17 4:37pm

djThunderfunk

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, was Bernard Goetz a hero?


Apples and oranges & irrelevent.

These three home invaders chose to break into a house with weapons. Residents had a better weapon.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #12 posted 03/29/17 4:39pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

I endorse the shooting of ALL home invaders, regardless of age or gender or religion or nationality or whatever.


yeahthat

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #13 posted 03/29/17 4:39pm

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I agree with the Castle Doctrine. I will say in the black community there are many times cops could just break in, even killing a seven year old sleeping girl.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #14 posted 03/29/17 4:40pm

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The whole "suspected gang members" or "suspected drug dealers." Cops could just enter a home.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #15 posted 03/29/17 5:03pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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2freaky4church1 said:

DJ, was Bernard Goetz a hero?

not sure if he was a hero...but he took the correct action (yes I believe the man was attempting to rob him and was armed with a screwdriver which can be a deadly weapon) (AND Yes I remember when it first happened!)

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Reply #16 posted 03/29/17 5:04pm

SuperFurryAnim
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SomeSoldier said:

Pokeno4Money said:

This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.


You want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead?
I'm not going to get into a debate with you. I am not going to criticise in any way the home owner, I am happy that he and his family are fine. I am not going to justify in any way the actions of the four kids or get into any debate about their backgrounds, as they do not justify what they chose to do. I am not even going to discuss whether other outcomes (maybe in different cultures) may have been possible. But You have just said that you want more 16, 17 and 19 year olds dead.


The death of the youth is tragic. I believe they will save others from potential harm as other youth will hear about this and not break into my home. So the deaths is not in vain.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #17 posted 03/29/17 5:04pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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2freaky4church1 said:

The whole "suspected gang members" or "suspected drug dealers." Cops could just enter a home.

yup bad cops can make up stuff to trample your rights... so what does that have to do with what i HOPE is found to be a justified use of force? (I also want the accomplice to get charged with 3 counts of capital murder)

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Reply #18 posted 03/29/17 5:10pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

The whole "suspected gang members" or "suspected drug dealers." Cops could just enter a home.



If we have a tyrannical President again this is very reason why we need guns. But like you say I'm more worried about thugs robbing me over terrorist coming in my home or the government trying to send the cops to confiscate guns. More worried about unruly citizens breaking in to rob me.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #19 posted 03/29/17 5:39pm

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I hope I am never in this situation but kudos to the man for doing what needed to be done. I am sure some will twist this all kinds of ways but the man was in the right. The 3 young people that gave up their rights as soon as they broke in... and the 4th accomplice is facing charges for the murder of his 3 pals.




If you break into someone's house on purpose with bad intentions, you probably deserve the
hot slugs left in your body as you die, as what transpired in this particular case. But I don't
know about any criminal statute which suggests that burglars give up their rights as soon as
they burglarize.

I mean, due process does not abscond from a criminal's realm of rights the moment s/he has
transgressed the law, for example.

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Reply #20 posted 03/29/17 5:42pm

Dasein

Pokeno4Money said:

This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.


Not true.

Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective
deterrent
so, I'm even more comfortable with telling you this is not true.

I'm starting to get a better grasp of the type of thinker you are, Pokeno.

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Reply #21 posted 03/29/17 5:47pm

SuperFurryAnim
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Dasein said:



Pokeno4Money said:


This needs to happen more often! Keep killing home invaders and eventually they'll get the message.




Not true.

Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective
deterrent
so, I'm even more comfortable with telling you this is not true.

I'm starting to get a better grasp of the type of thinker you are, Pokeno.



The studies are crap. Does the death penalty stop a Charles Mansion?? No but the average murderers possibly.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #22 posted 03/29/17 5:51pm

Pokeno4Money

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Name one dead murderer who murdered again.


Dasein said: Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective deterrent

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Reply #23 posted 03/29/17 5:59pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I hope I am never in this situation but kudos to the man for doing what needed to be done. I am sure some will twist this all kinds of ways but the man was in the right. The 3 young people that gave up their rights as soon as they broke in... and the 4th accomplice is facing charges for the murder of his 3 pals.




If you break into someone's house on purpose with bad intentions, you probably deserve the
hot slugs left in your body as you die, as what transpired in this particular case. But I don't
know about any criminal statute which suggests that burglars give up their rights as soon as
they burglarize.

I mean, due process does not abscond from a criminal's realm of rights the moment s/he has
transgressed the law, for example.

Yeah, I was not being accurate, I was speaking informally. I wound not say deserve to die... i think what happened was they chose to take the risk. In any case like this, the right of the homeowner to use force to stop someone is independent to the right of the burglar's due process.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #24 posted 03/29/17 6:03pm

Dasein

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Dasein said:


Not true.

Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective
deterrent
so, I'm even more comfortable with telling you this is not true.

I'm starting to get a better grasp of the type of thinker you are, Pokeno.

The studies are crap. Does the death penalty stop a Charles Mansion?? No but the average murderers possibly.


LOL!

This dude said:

"The studies are crap" and then didn't post any evidence to support the claim that "The studies are
crap." Ironically, if this dude does post evidence to support the claim "The studies are crap," I"m
going to post "The evidence for supporting "The studies are crap" is crap."

The "crap" studies did not make an attempt to show if the death penalty prevented famous cult lead-
ers who ordered the deaths of innocent people from actually doing so. If you were just a little bit
more intimately engaged with them, you'd discover that the "crap" studies made an attempt to show
if the death penalty deters criminals from criminalizing violently period. The research clearly shows
what really enters into a criminal's mind when s/he is committing a crime is not what is going to hap-
pen to them afterwards but if they are going to be apprehended. And I don't think Charles "Mansion"
was ever even up for the death penalty anyways.

rolleyes

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Reply #25 posted 03/29/17 6:05pm

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dasein said:


If you break into someone's house on purpose with bad intentions, you probably deserve the
hot slugs left in your body as you die, as what transpired in this particular case. But I don't
know about any criminal statute which suggests that burglars give up their rights as soon as
they burglarize.

I mean, due process does not abscond from a criminal's realm of rights the moment s/he has
transgressed the law, for example.

Yeah, I was not being accurate, I was speaking informally. I wound not say deserve to die... i think what happened was they chose to take the risk. In any case like this, the right of the homeowner to use force to stop someone is independent to the right of the burglar's due process.


I should have given you the benefit of the doubt. I know you are a thinker.


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Reply #26 posted 03/29/17 6:20pm

SuperFurryAnim
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Dasein said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


Dasein said:



Not true.

Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective
deterrent
so, I'm even more comfortable with telling you this is not true.

I'm starting to get a better grasp of the type of thinker you are, Pokeno.



The studies are crap. Does the death penalty stop a Charles Mansion?? No but the average murderers possibly.


LOL!

This dude said:

"The studies are crap" and then didn't post any evidence to support the claim that "The studies are
crap." Ironically, if this dude does post evidence to support the claim "The studies are crap," I"m
going to post "The evidence for supporting "The studies are crap" is crap."

The "crap" studies did not make an attempt to show if the death penalty prevented famous cult lead-
ers who ordered the deaths of innocent people from actually doing so. If you were just a little bit
more intimately engaged with them, you'd discover that the "crap" studies made an attempt to show
if the death penalty deters criminals from criminalizing violently period. The research clearly shows
what really enters into a criminal's mind when s/he is committing a crime is not what is going to hap-
pen to them afterwards but if they are going to be apprehended. And I don't think Charles "Mansion"
was ever even up for the death penalty anyways.


rolleyes



Its stops some. I would guess 80% of the population contemplate murder st some point. Why is violent crime down? Because if someone rob or kill my family it will be on video upload to the cloud. Then they can go after and prosecute to the furthest possible ever extent. Difference is no getting away anymore. Forensics has driven it down so the punishment counts. These studies will change with the times.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #27 posted 03/29/17 6:26pm

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I think there's a distinct difference between the possibility that you might be put to death if found guilty for the commission of a crime and knowing that you might be killed by your intended victim during the commission of your crime....Knowing there is a severe possibility you will be killed while attempting to victimize the innocent, I think, would be a great deterrent. Criminals prey on the weak and defenseless.
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Reply #28 posted 03/29/17 6:35pm

Dasein

Pokeno4Money said:

Name one dead murderer who murdered again.


Dasein said: Social scientists and criminologists appear to agree that the death penalty's hardly an effective deterrent


I'm sorry but this is a dumbass post. If it can be shown statistically that innocent people have
been wrongly executed for crimes they did not commit, what would you say? And how many
people who were on death row were later released and exonerated? For each instance, I say that
even "1" is one too many. What you should be asking is "name me one person who was wrongly
executed for a crime s/he did not commit?" instead of silly questions about dead murderers murder-
ing again. source

And I'm certain that there are murderers on death row who are not there because of a first offense.
In other words, there are probably death row members who are there with a previous history of
some degree of high criminality which means the possible threat of execution was not enough of a
deterrent for future criminality.

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Reply #29 posted 03/29/17 6:44pm

Dasein

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Dasein said:


LOL!

This dude said:

"The studies are crap" and then didn't post any evidence to support the claim that "The studies are
crap." Ironically, if this dude does post evidence to support the claim "The studies are crap," I"m
going to post "The evidence for supporting "The studies are crap" is crap."

The "crap" studies did not make an attempt to show if the death penalty prevented famous cult lead-
ers who ordered the deaths of innocent people from actually doing so. If you were just a little bit
more intimately engaged with them, you'd discover that the "crap" studies made an attempt to show
if the death penalty deters criminals from criminalizing violently period. The research clearly shows
what really enters into a criminal's mind when s/he is committing a crime is not what is going to hap-
pen to them afterwards but if they are going to be apprehended. And I don't think Charles "Mansion"
was ever even up for the death penalty anyways.

rolleyes

Its stops some. I would guess 80% of the population contemplate murder st some point. Why is violent crime down? Because if someone rob or kill my family it will be on video upload to the cloud. Then they can go after and prosecute to the furthest possible ever extent. Difference is no getting away anymore. Forensics has driven it down so the punishment counts. These studies will change with the times.


Meh.

So far, I've been the only one who has presented research. And the research indicates that most
criminals are worried about getting caught then they are about facing death row. There has been
no causal link between the death penalty and lowered rates of violent crimes in the US. I would
imagine there is a correlative link between lower violent crimes with better economic opportunities,
and our high incarceration rates but would read these two articles first before making an educated
and informed claim myself:

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