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Graycap23

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Whitewashed: Unmasking The World Of Whiteness

Very interesting documentary of how people of European descent were transformed into "White" people and what it means to be White.


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Reply #1 posted 01/03/17 10:49pm

TonyVanDam

THAT^ is exactly what we need in 2017. We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general. nod

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Reply #2 posted 01/04/17 2:00am

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I'm not American but I AM white and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. smile
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Reply #3 posted 01/04/17 6:51am

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TonyVanDam said:

THAT^ is exactly what we need in 2017. We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general. nod

why not have the whole human race repent

history of pain and wrongs done to one another started way before the transAtlantic slave trade

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One must remember it's other Africans that helped enslave your ass
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Reply #4 posted 01/04/17 8:29am

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EmmaMcG said:

I'm not American but I AM white and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. smile



Nor should you. This thread is complete poppycock, designed only to make you feel bad for something that you have absolutely no control over whatsoever.

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Reply #5 posted 01/04/17 8:56am

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Good stuff. Can't start a dialogue without self knowledge. Thoughtful questions and answers with no drama.

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Reply #6 posted 01/04/17 9:28am

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I don't think it's correct to make people feel "guilty" for events that they may have not have been part of. However, I do think it's necessary for people to understand how some folks have BENEFITED from an inequitable system, and some folks have suffered or have not been given the same opportunities as others

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Reply #7 posted 01/04/17 10:20am

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You shouldn't feel guilt over it. Gray being gray again.

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Reply #8 posted 01/04/17 11:02am

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jjhunsecker said:

I don't think it's correct to make people feel "guilty" for events that they may have not have been part of. However, I do think it's necessary for people to understand how some folks have BENEFITED from an inequitable system, and some folks have suffered or have not been given the same opportunities as others

Agree. Really wondering if some posters actually watched the video. I thought it was very straightforward, not polarizing. Kudos for tackling a tough subject that way.

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Reply #9 posted 01/04/17 11:53am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:

THAT^ is exactly what we need in 2017. We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general. nod

why not have the whole human race repent

history of pain and wrongs done to one another started way before the transAtlantic slave trade

Free, try to hold on to some Africa of the past
One must remember it's other Africans that helped enslave your ass
- Me'Shell Ndegéocello


.....and those same "other Africans" were also thrown on those same slave ships right after!

Another thing that needs to happen in 2017 is for people to stop making excuses for SWS' [suspected white supremacists]. In 2017, we [especially black folks] need to stop being so quick to give forgiveness to white supermacists/nationalists/racists that are showing no signs of repentence at all.

[Edited 1/4/17 13:56pm]

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TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why not have the whole human race repent

history of pain and wrongs done to one another started way before the transAtlantic slave trade

Free, try to hold on to some Africa of the past
One must remember it's other Africans that helped enslave your ass
- Me'Shell Ndegéocello


.....and those same "other Africans" were also thrown on those same slave ship right after!

Another thing that needs to happen in 2017 is for people to stop making excuses for SWS' [suspected white supremacists]. In 2017, we [especially black folks] need to stop being so quick to give forgiveness to white supermacists/nationalists/racists that are showing no signs of repentence at all.

people treating people wrong didn't start with here. Everyone is guilty

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Reply #11 posted 01/04/17 12:01pm

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EmmaMcG said:

I'm not American but I AM white and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. smile


You do not feel guilty about white prilivege! You do not even deny it! eek disbelief

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Reply #12 posted 01/04/17 12:03pm

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RodeoSchro said:

EmmaMcG said:

I'm not American but I AM white and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. smile



Nor should you. This thread is complete poppycock, designed only to make you feel bad for something that you have absolutely no control over whatsoever.


You are not at fault for the crimes of your ancestors. But you might be at fault from benefitting from it.

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Reply #13 posted 01/04/17 12:04pm

TonyVanDam

jjhunsecker said:

I don't think it's correct to make people feel "guilty" for events that they may have not have been part of. However, I do think it's necessary for people to understand how some folks have BENEFITED from an inequitable system, and some folks have suffered or have not been given the same opportunities as others


Correct. nod

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Reply #14 posted 01/04/17 12:10pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

You shouldn't feel guilt over it. Gray being gray again.


Are you trying to get your Progressive Alt-Left pass revoked?

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Reply #15 posted 01/04/17 12:17pm

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Very interesting link. Thanks a lot Graycap.

I have no idea why some of you are turning this into a thread about white guilt or a Graycap diss. The video is really interesting and the concept of being "white" and the use of the term "caucasian" are very debatable topics. Most "Caucasians" I know would not be referred to as "white" people in the USA.

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Also, the term "white" these days includes people that did not pass as really "white" people not too long ago (I´m talking about Irish, Italian, Polish and especially Jewish people.....nobody would deny that they are part of white America these days but even during the Nixon era many people, including Nixon, did not regard some of those groups as "white".

This is an interesting topic.

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As far as guilt is concerned....should all white Americans feel guilty? In my opinion, no, especially since many white Americans today have nothing to do with racism and slavery, and their ancestors probably weren´t even in America when segragation was a thing but then again, institutional racism IS a problem in America (and elsewhere, too), so it´s always good to address this issue.

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In my opinions, most black people in the USA are more American than most people because their ancestors lived in America centuries ago whereas most white people whose ancestors only moved to America in the last century, and yet they still think they are somehow "more American" than black people or even have the nerve to tell black people to go the fuck back to Africa.

These issues need to be discussed, especially in today´s sociopolitical climate.

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Reply #16 posted 01/04/17 2:00pm

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TonyVanDam said:



EmmaMcG said:


I'm not American but I AM white and I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever. smile


You do not feel guilty about white prilivege! You do not even deny it! eek disbelief



I've never experienced it first hand but I understand from speaking to some black men and women on the org that they have experienced it so I won't say I deny it, instead, I will say I've never personally benefitted from being white. I live in Ireland, where for the most part, nobody gives a shit about what colour you are so white priveledge is not an issue.

And no, I do not feel guilty about how black people are treated by certain white people nor do I feel guilty about white people of certain countries benefitting from "white priveledge" because it has nothing to do with me. I, personally, have nothing to feel guilty about. I've never treated a black person or any other person any differently based on their skin colour or nationality or gender or sexuality. The only people who do that are, in my opinion, mentally ill in some form. Whether that person is a white woman who hates her black neighbour because he's black or a black man who prejudges a white person just because they're white, they are equally as vile in my opinion.
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Reply #17 posted 01/04/17 2:10pm

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KoolEaze said:

Very interesting link. Thanks a lot Graycap.

I have no idea why some of you are turning this into a thread about white guilt or a Graycap diss. The video is really interesting and the concept of being "white" and the use of the term "caucasian" are very debatable topics. Most "Caucasians" I know would not be referred to as "white" people in the USA.

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Also, the term "white" these days includes people that did not pass as really "white" people not too long ago (I´m talking about Irish, Italian, Polish and especially Jewish people.....nobody would deny that they are part of white America these days but even during the Nixon era many people, including Nixon, did not regard some of those groups as "white".

This is an interesting topic.

-

As far as guilt is concerned....should all white Americans feel guilty? In my opinion, no, especially since many white Americans today have nothing to do with racism and slavery, and their ancestors probably weren´t even in America when segragation was a thing but then again, institutional racism IS a problem in America (and elsewhere, too), so it´s always good to address this issue.

.

In my opinions, most black people in the USA are more American than most people because their ancestors lived in America centuries ago whereas most white people whose ancestors only moved to America in the last century, and yet they still think they are somehow "more American" than black people or even have the nerve to tell black people to go the fuck back to Africa.

These issues need to be discussed, especially in today´s sociopolitical climate.


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Reply #18 posted 01/04/17 3:27pm

purplepoppy

Segregation was legally ended in 1964. In my lifetime.

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Reply #19 posted 01/04/17 3:27pm

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TonyVanDam said:

THAT^ is exactly what we need in 2017. We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general. nod



They shouldn't feel guilty about anything they themselves haven't done. I wouldn't.
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Reply #20 posted 01/04/17 3:45pm

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I could care less about the guilt.

I don't see how it impacts anything in a positive way.

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Reply #21 posted 01/04/17 4:25pm

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OldFriends4Sale said:



TonyVanDam said:


THAT^ is exactly what we need in 2017. We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general. nod




why not have the whole human race repent



history of pain and wrongs done to one another started way before the transAtlantic slave trade




Free, try to hold on to some Africa of the past
One must remember it's other Africans that helped enslave your ass
- Me'Shell Ndegéocello




Come on of4s. Lol.

No one here ever excused Africa for its part in slavery, but let's also not forget that whites enslaved whites long before the transatlantic slave trade, just like other racial groups enslaved their own. But let's not use the typical 'Well the Africans enslaved Africans, to justify or excuse those in this country, who actually participated in America's treatment of slaves, when the Africans, reached this country's shores.

Hold the slaveowners in this country solely accountable for the abuse they imposed on the enslaved. Hold the ones in this country accountable, who made the slave laws in this country. The Africans did not create America's slave laws, Bkavk codes or Jim Crow laws. You have almost 12 million Black Americans walking around with European slave names. Where do you think those names came from? The Black Americans with those European surnames, are the walking evidence of America's history of slavery. We damn sure didn't get those surnames from Africans.
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Graycap23 said:

I could care less about the guilt.


I don't see how it impacts anything in a positive way.


I don't know why some folks always think discussing America's history of slavery is an intent to bring out white guilt, when it certainly is not. Those eras are part of existing Americans' history. Discussing that time period is a reality of America's past. Are Blacks now the blame for a white person's self-imposed guilt? How'd that become our fault? Sadly, the transatlantic slave trade is part of Black American's history, like it or not. Many Black Americans are here because of those ancestors who survived slavery, Jim Crow, Black codes and segregation. So it's interesting how one would get angry or defensive, when Blacks discuss that era. Those lives in the past had value. Should we not acknowledge those lives/their suffering, and just dismiss that they existed at all, just to make others' conscience feel comfortable?

The least anyone can do is acknowledge and value the lives former slaves/victims of racist laws that existed at that time. They suffered, and everyone in America benefitted/benefits from their suffering. We can't change what happened back then, but we can at least give honor, respect and value to the lives of those who suffered during those eras. It's the right thing to do.
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Segregation was legally ended in 1964. In my lifetime.


Legally, but many cities all over America, were still segregated after that, and many Blacks attacked walking through predominantly white communities. That went on for years. I remember the Black families whose new houses were pipe-bombed by racist whites during the mid to late 80s in NYC, for moving into white communities. Even in 2006, there existed towns in Anerica, that did not allow Blacks to live there. Ironically, many of those towns were land/deeds to homes stolen from Blacks in the 1900s. PBS had a special on that called 'Banished' around 2006. I was shocked to know in 2006, that was still happening and allowed.This country still has a lot of work to do, but with trump coming in as President, feels like the country going back to pre-1964.
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Reply #24 posted 01/04/17 4:57pm

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2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

I could care less about the guilt.

I don't see how it impacts anything in a positive way.

I don't know why some folks always think discussing America's history of slavery is an intent to bring out white guilt, when it certainly is not. Those eras are part of existing Americans' history. Discussing that time period is a reality of America's past. Are Blacks now the blame for a white person's self-imposed guilt? How'd that become our fault? Sadly, the transatlantic slave trade is part of Black American's history, like it or not. Many Black Americans are here because of those ancestors who survived slavery, Jim Crow, Black codes and segregation. So it's interesting how one would get angry or defensive, when Blacks discuss that era. Those lives in the past had value. Should we not acknowledge those lives/their suffering, and just dismiss that they existed at all, just to make others' conscience feel comfortable? The least anyone can do is acknowledge and value the lives former slaves/victims of racist laws that existed at that time. They suffered, and everyone in America benefitted/benefits from their suffering. We can't change what happened back then, but we can at least give honor, respect and value to the lives of those who suffered during those eras. It's the right thing to do.

It speaks volumes.......

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2elijah said:

Graycap23 said:

I could care less about the guilt.

I don't see how it impacts anything in a positive way.

I don't know why some folks always think discussing America's history of slavery is an intent to bring out white guilt, when it certainly is not. Those eras are part of existing Americans' history. Discussing that time period is a reality of America's past. Are Blacks now the blame for a white person's self-imposed guilt? How'd that become our fault? Sadly, the transatlantic slave trade is part of Black American's history, like it or not. Many Black Americans are here because of those ancestors who survived slavery, Jim Crow, Black codes and segregation. So it's interesting how one would get angry or defensive, when Blacks discuss that era. Those lives in the past had value. Should we not acknowledge those lives/their suffering, and just dismiss that they existed at all, just to make others' conscience feel comfortable? The least anyone can do is acknowledge and value the lives former slaves/victims of racist laws that existed at that time. They suffered, and everyone in America benefitted/benefits from their suffering. We can't change what happened back then, but we can at least give honor, respect and value to the lives of those who suffered during those eras. It's the right thing to do.

maybe they are replying to post #1?

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

why not have the whole human race repent

history of pain and wrongs done to one another started way before the transAtlantic slave trade

Free, try to hold on to some Africa of the past
One must remember it's other Africans that helped enslave your ass
- Me'Shell Ndegéocello

Come on of4s. Lol. No one here ever excused Africa for its part in slavery, but let's also not forget that whites enslaved whites long before the transatlantic slave trade, just like other racial groups enslaved their own. But let's not use the typical 'Well the Africans enslaved Africans, to justify or excuse those in this country, who actually participated in America's treatment of slaves, when the Africans, reached this country's shores. Hold the slaveowners in this country solely accountable for the abuse they imposed on the enslaved. Hold the ones in this country accountable, who made the slave laws in this country. The Africans did not create America's slave laws, Bkavk codes or Jim Crow laws. You have almost 12 million Black Americans walking around with European slave names. Where do you think those names came from? The Black Americans with those European surnames, are the walking evidence of America's history of slavery. We damn sure didn't get those surnames from Africans.

2Elijah, I was 100% directly replying to TonyVanD post saying "We need more white folks in North America to admit their guilt, not white guilt, but human guilt in general"


Did you read my post in reflection of what I was replying to?

Your post (and I say this respectfully) has nothing to do with what I posted nor why I posted what I posted.

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Reply #27 posted 01/04/17 8:59pm

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I dont think it's guilt that white folks should feel...they should just be a bit more UNDERSTANDING of where a lot of minorities ill feelings towards white folks come from.

[Edited 1/4/17 21:00pm]

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Reply #28 posted 01/04/17 9:11pm

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2elijah said:

purplepoppy said:

Segregation was legally ended in 1964. In my lifetime.

Legally, but many cities all over America, were still segregated after that, and many Blacks attacked walking through predominantly white communities. That went on for years. I remember the Black families whose new houses were pipe-bombed by racist whites during the mid to late 80s in NYC, for moving into white communities. Even in 2006, there existed towns in Anerica, that did not allow Blacks to live there. Ironically, many of those towns were land/deeds to homes stolen from Blacks in the 1900s. PBS had a special on that called 'Banished' around 2006. I was shocked to know in 2006, that was still happening and allowed.This country still has a lot of work to do, but with trump coming in as President, feels like the country going back to pre-1964. [Edited 1/4/17 16:57pm]

Should have been more clear. I posted that for a time reference. KoolEase said many white people's ancestors probably weren't even in America when segregation was a thing. I disagree with that.

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Reply #29 posted 01/04/17 10:04pm

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UncleJam said:

I dont think it's guilt that white folks should feel...they should just be a bit more UNDERSTANDING of where a lot of minorities ill feelings towards white folks come from.

[Edited 1/4/17 21:00pm]

That makes sense.

After watching and listening to the docu I wonder if that is really even a concern.

I get the feeling that it is not.

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