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Thread started 12/14/13 3:44am

Astasheiks

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"Was Jesus White"?

Call Jesus (or Santa) white? Expect a big fight

Opinion by Edward J. Blum, special to CNN

(CNN) - Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly sparked outrage this week by insisting that Jesus and Santa Claus are both white, saying it's "ridiculous" to argue that depicting Christ and St. Nick as Caucasian is "racist."

"And by the way, for all you kids watching at home, Santa just is white," Kelly said, "but this person is arguing that we should also have a black Santa."

Kelly was responding to an article in Slate that said St. Nick needs a makeover from fat, old white guy to something less "melanin-deficient."

The Fox News host would have none of it.

"Just because it makes you feel uncomfortable doesn't mean it has to change," Kelly said. "Jesus was a white man, too. It's like we have, he's a historical figure; that's a verifiable fact.

The phenotype of Jesus was never an issue in the Bible. Neither Matthew, nor Mark, nor Luke, nor John mentioned Christ’s skin tone or hair color. None called him white or black or red or brown.

Now, Kelly bears the brunt of attacks and, in no surprise, was pilloried by comedians like Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

Even Martin Luther King Jr. claimed that Jesus was white, after being asked why God created Jesus as a white man.

King responded that the color of Christ’s skin didn’t matter. Jesus would have been just as important “if His skin had been black.” He “is no less significant because His skin was white.”

Famed evangelist Billy Graham preached in the 1950s, and then wrote emphatically in his autobiography "Just As I Am," that, “Jesus was not a white man.”

http://religion.blogs.cnn...?hpt=hp_c3

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Reply #1 posted 12/14/13 4:24am

Tempest

I always have to giggle when I read people arguing over what color Jesus was / is. At the end of the day, does it really matter what color he was / is? It certainly doesn't matter to me. IMO, it's really silly.

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More than likely, he was olive skinned with thick black hair like most of the Sabras in Israel. He's a Semite. Your typical Israeli Sabra looks very similar to the Arabs.

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Of course, especially since 1948, many Jews have immigrated from all over the world to Israel so you have a diverse mix of people, colors, languages coming together and ultimately learn Hebrew. They get immersed in Hebrew class when they immigrate.

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Here are some photos of what a "typical" Sabra Israeli man looks like:

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Reply #2 posted 12/14/13 5:34am

MoBetterBliss

was Jesus white?.... does it matter?

in a perfect world... no ... it doesn't matter

but this isn't a perfect world

who made it matter?

racist white people made it matter

white people who claimed to follow Jesus while persecuting other people because they weren't white

it's a shame that in this world it matters

hopefully one day it won't

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Reply #3 posted 12/14/13 6:58am

Tempest

There are PLENTY of racist people of ALL colors. The "racist" label doesn't belong soley to white people.

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There are also PLENTY of people who play the race card.

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Neither are OK.

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Reply #4 posted 12/14/13 8:00am

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Figured she was responding to the Slate article! This was a rant on political correctness.

Things go too far and people are upset at terms like "brown bag lunch" and "citizen" and it gets to a point where everyone is nitpicking and just looking for a reason to be offended or scream racism. Or wanting to make Santa into a penguin.

Historically I would guess Jesus was olive. Though many people question if he really existed. Could be a fictional character?
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Reply #5 posted 12/14/13 8:53am

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No.

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Reply #6 posted 12/14/13 9:38am

uPtoWnNY

MoBetterBliss said:

was Jesus white?.... does it matter?

in a perfect world... no ... it doesn't matter

but this isn't a perfect world

who made it matter?

racist white people made it matter

white people who claimed to follow Jesus while persecuting other people because they weren't white

it's a shame that in this world it matters

hopefully one day it won't

yeahthat

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Reply #7 posted 12/14/13 11:55am

McJagger

My Jesus is day-glo.

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Reply #8 posted 12/14/13 1:35pm

MoBetterBliss

Tempest said:

There are PLENTY of racist people of ALL colors. The "racist" label doesn't belong soley to white people.

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There are also PLENTY of people who play the race card.

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Neither are OK.


and please tell me how this is even remotely related to this thread?

my post was completely on topic

your post was a childish knee-jerk reaction

please try harder

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Reply #9 posted 12/14/13 1:50pm

Timmy84

No Jesus was a lamp or something lol

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Reply #10 posted 12/14/13 5:28pm

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I imagine that Jesus had somewhat darker skin and curly(ish) hair but who can really know 4 sure. I seriously doubt that he had blond hair, fair skin and blue eyes though.


On a more important note.

I think that some people are initially turned off 2 Christianity because of pictures that depict Christ as being this European looking viking type dude. I personally know of a couple people who look at Jesus as being a god for white people, primarily because of the depictions of him. They don't know anything about the region he was from, so all they see is an image of a white man. With some people, that white Jesus image breeds resentments(because of past oppression) and rebellion towards Christianity. Not so much with older folks but with youngish men of color(teens-mid 40's), i would say its somewhat of a problem.




If i was a pastor my church would have a more accurate portrait of Christ.


As for depicting God. In my church his image would have a mixture of skin tones and would not be European looking.



First impressions are important when trying 2 draw people nearer 2 Christ.

Edited 4 clarity

[Edited 12/15/13 14:37pm]

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Reply #11 posted 12/14/13 5:57pm

Timmy84

Who is God? What is God? Is it a He, a She, It, What? I don't know. -- Marvin Gaye (1980)

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Reply #12 posted 12/14/13 9:58pm

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Christ is a myth. THAT alone should have dismiss the controversy that Megan Kelly generated by saying that "Jesus was white". But those of you who want to believe that Christ "existed", I like to ask you a controversial question:

If the exact skin-color of your master and messiah does NOT matter, then why are some white people so hellbent of not wanting to do the research and learn the obvious possibility that Christ was/is NOT the Cesare Borgia-looking white man they think he was/is?!? hmmm

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Reply #13 posted 12/14/13 10:04pm

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MoBetterBliss said:

was Jesus white?.... does it matter?

in a perfect world... no ... it doesn't matter

but this isn't a perfect world

who made it matter?

racist white people made it matter

white people who claimed to follow Jesus while persecuting other people because they weren't white

it's a shame that in this world it matters

hopefully one day it won't

The Roman Catholic Church is at fault for creating this racist controversy since the 16th Century (or earlier) because they have been promoting this foolishness about Christ AND even "God" as white males.

The truth should always matter. If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.

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Reply #14 posted 12/14/13 11:02pm

seekingtruth

TonyVanDam said:



MoBetterBliss said:


was Jesus white?.... does it matter?

in a perfect world... no ... it doesn't matter

but this isn't a perfect world

who made it matter?

racist white people made it matter

white people who claimed to follow Jesus while persecuting other people because they weren't white

it's a shame that in this world it matters

hopefully one day it won't




The Roman Catholic Church is at fault for creating this racist controversy since the 16th Century (or earlier) because they have been promoting this foolishness about Christ AND even "God" as white males.

The truth should always matter. If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.



I don't see where the physical attributes of Jesus should be a concern of Hus followers. Rather, His divine nature and moral attributes.

That said.....Jesus was most certainly not white. He is middle eastern, so unless there was some sort of oddity in His case (possible, I guess.....unlikely), he would be more olive.
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Reply #15 posted 12/14/13 11:12pm

MoBetterBliss

TonyVanDam said:

MoBetterBliss said:

was Jesus white?.... does it matter?

in a perfect world... no ... it doesn't matter

but this isn't a perfect world

who made it matter?

racist white people made it matter

white people who claimed to follow Jesus while persecuting other people because they weren't white

it's a shame that in this world it matters

hopefully one day it won't

If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.

i disagree completely... it's irrelevant, apart from the reasons i stated above

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Reply #16 posted 12/14/13 11:12pm

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TonyVanDam said:

The Roman Catholic Church is at fault for creating this racist controversy since the 16th Century (or earlier) because they have been promoting this foolishness about Christ AND even "God" as white males.

The truth should always matter. If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.

I don't see where the physical attributes of Jesus should be a concern of Hus followers. Rather, His divine nature and moral attributes. That said.....Jesus was most certainly not white. He is middle eastern, so unless there was some sort of oddity in His case (possible, I guess.....unlikely), he would be more olive.

The only reason it is an issue is because there are people who assume that their race makes them superior to others, and to them, someone they consider a Supreme and Divine being cannot be a member of the groups they consider beneath them

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Reply #18 posted 12/14/13 11:49pm

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No body knows what Jesus actually looks like.

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Reply #19 posted 12/15/13 12:01am

jjhunsecker

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No body knows what Jesus actually looks like.

True, but isn't more likely that being born in the part of the world where he supposedly existed , that Jesus would look more like Omar Sharif than Brad Pitt ?

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Reply #20 posted 12/15/13 5:57am

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Yeshua was born & raised in a basically homogeneous nation of tribes descending from Abraham. They are Semitic people. If you look at the Sabras in Israel, the Arabs in Israel and the Arab nations in the Middle East, that's what Yeshua looks like. John the Baptist is Yeshua's cousin and both were members of a religiously observant family who had long ties to the Land. Zechariah was John's father, a priest of the sons of Aaron, a prophet, married to Elisabeth (John's mother) who was the cousin of Mary (Yeshua's mother). These people took their faith & their tribal associations seriously.

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God basically forbid His people from "mixing" with the goyim (Gentile nations) because mixing with the goyim meant that idolatry would creep in (paganism). If you look at the history of the Israelites, whenever they intermarried with the goyim, snuggled up with them or immitated them, idolatry crept in. God wanted His covenant people to be separate from the nations, love & serve Him only. There are examples of goyim converting and coming into the fold (Israel) but at large, they were a homogenous, Semitic people. Therefore, you can know that Yeshua looked like a Semitic person (olive skin & thick, black hair, beard, etc).

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The same is true of those under the New Covenant. When they don't stay grafted into the ROOT (Romans 11), paganism & idolatry will abound. Christianity at large is filled with paganism & teachings that have no association with the ROOT, are steeped in paganism & anti Semitism. The reason that most have no clue about the true Yeshua, his heritage and distort his teachings is because of a lack of understanding, paganism, idolatry, false teachings & anti Semitism. Christianity has for the most part created a new Yeshua that bears little to no resemblance to the real one. That's a very deep subject that I won't go into. When you take a man out of his heritage, his covenant, his people, his roots, his beliefs, etc. and mold him into something else, what you get is a weird distortion. Not the real deal.

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What's most important to me is what Yeshua believed & where he came from. . . not what color his skin is. I've known since I was a child that Yeshua looks Semitic. That's a no brainer. All you have to do is know something of his cultural history, background, his family, his beliefs and where he came from to know that. Without an understanding of the HEBRAIC roots of the faith & being grafted into the tree (Romans 11), you will be misguided and off base. Seriously destructive heresies have crept into Christianity at large because of not being properly grafted into the root (ie, Replacement Theology).

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It's precisely because of the distortions, false teachings & paganism that I don't belong to institutional Churchianity or any sect thereof. God led me out of that religious mess years ago. Yeshua is not a Baptist, a Lutheran, a Catholic, a JW, a mormon, a Christian or any such thing. Neither were the Apostles or first century believers. Churchianity / Christianity (as a new religion) is something that was birthed out of paganism, idolatry & anti Semitism that for the most part is doing their own thing and lack understanding of the roots of the faith.

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Unfortunately, most Christians are more comfortable just going to Church on Sunday and being spoon fed by a pastor than they are researching and seeking God (& the Scriptures) for themselves. Somehow that makes them feel "safe" and in the fold. Many are too darn lazy to study on their own. Tradition & religiousity (teachings & requirements outside the Scriptures) are VERY HARD THINGS TO BREAK. They become DEEPLY engrained in people. That was true in Yeshua's day & is also true today. Yeshua butted heads & confronted religiousity, hypocrisy & tradition all the time when he walked the earth (read MARK 7). God wants a people set apart (from the "world" in a spiritural sense) who are FREE to love Him & worship Him in Spirit & in Truth (not religiousity, hypocrisy, tradition & paganism) * John 4:24.

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Reply #21 posted 12/15/13 6:13am

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TonyVanDam said:

Christ is a myth. THAT alone should have dismiss the controversy that Megan Kelly generated by saying that "Jesus was white". But those of you who want to believe that Christ "existed", I like to ask you a controversial question:

If the exact skin-color of your master and messiah does NOT matter, then why are some white people so hellbent of not wanting to do the research and learn the obvious possibility that Christ was/is NOT the Cesare Borgia-looking white man they think he was/is?!? hmmm

What exactly is controversial about that? It's hubris, which is a fairly universal human trait. shrug

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Reply #22 posted 12/15/13 6:29am

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jjhunsecker said:

seekingtruth said:

TonyVanDam said: I don't see where the physical attributes of Jesus should be a concern of Hus followers. Rather, His divine nature and moral attributes. That said.....Jesus was most certainly not white. He is middle eastern, so unless there was some sort of oddity in His case (possible, I guess.....unlikely), he would be more olive.

The only reason it is an issue is because there are people who assume that their race makes them superior to others, and to them, someone they consider a Supreme and Divine being cannot be a member of the groups they consider beneath them

Bingo.

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Reply #23 posted 12/15/13 6:41am

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Lammastide said:



jjhunsecker said:




seekingtruth said:


TonyVanDam said: I don't see where the physical attributes of Jesus should be a concern of Hus followers. Rather, His divine nature and moral attributes. That said.....Jesus was most certainly not white. He is middle eastern, so unless there was some sort of oddity in His case (possible, I guess.....unlikely), he would be more olive.


The only reason it is an issue is because there are people who assume that their race makes them superior to others, and to them, someone they consider a Supreme and Divine being cannot be a member of the groups they consider beneath them




Bingo.


out of political correctness, Slate had an article about making Santa a penguin. it was a rant about political correctness going to far.
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Reply #24 posted 12/15/13 8:15am

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seekingtruth said:

TonyVanDam said:

The Roman Catholic Church is at fault for creating this racist controversy since the 16th Century (or earlier) because they have been promoting this foolishness about Christ AND even "God" as white males.

The truth should always matter. If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.

I don't see where the physical attributes of Jesus should be a concern of Hus followers. Rather, His divine nature and moral attributes. That said.....Jesus was most certainly not white. He is middle eastern, so unless there was some sort of oddity in His case (possible, I guess.....unlikely), he would be more olive.

The main concern is NOT believing, but knowing the truth. wink

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Reply #25 posted 12/15/13 8:20am

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MoBetterBliss said:

TonyVanDam said:

If you really believe that Christ existed, you need to make it your responsibility to know the actual physical characteristics of your messiah.

i disagree completely... it's irrelevant, apart from the reasons i stated above

So if you "disagree completely", then you don't mind at all of the possibility that Christ could be "black" or a "dark-toned middle easterner"? I only need a simple "yes" OR "no" answer for this question. hmmm

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Reply #26 posted 12/15/13 8:29am

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luv4u said:

No body knows what Jesus actually looks like.


I agree with you simply because Christ was/is a myth. But that's just myself speaking as an agnostic-theist! boxed

But what do you say about the many anicent discoveries of the Black Madonna (Mary) & Child (Christ) paintings and statues that exist as proof that Christ was not white?

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Reply #27 posted 12/15/13 9:01am

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Are the people who are suggesting that it makes no difference what color Jesus is in this thread

white?


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Reply #28 posted 12/15/13 9:13am

Timmy84

luv4u said:

No body knows what Jesus actually looks like.

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Reply #29 posted 12/15/13 9:14am

Timmy84

duccichucka said:

Are the people who are suggesting that it makes no difference what color Jesus is in this thread

white?


Prejudging, are we not? lol

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