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Thread started 06/24/13 1:15pm

Graycap23

New Police radar

Beware:

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Reply #1 posted 06/24/13 2:52pm

rudedog

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What does this radar do? Scan my brain for possible vehicular-homicital tendencies?

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Reply #2 posted 06/24/13 2:57pm

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this is not in use in the US for any kind of enforcement. It looks like that is NOT in the US. It could be a traffic counter or even a speed monitor for data collection but i doubt it is enforcment.


and what is new about it?

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Reply #3 posted 06/24/13 3:00pm

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Reply #4 posted 06/24/13 4:22pm

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So what's the controversy here? It could be from Australia? I saw this pic in my FB feed a few weeks ago. We've had automated speed radars on our highways for years. This just looks like a new design.

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Reply #5 posted 06/24/13 4:55pm

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i thought the automated stuff has been mostly shot down by the ACLU as far as ticketing goes? unless this is just for monitoring?

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Reply #6 posted 06/24/13 4:56pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

intresting:

http://www.snopes.com/pho...edtrap.asp


It isn't true that they are not in use in the US. They were used on Miami Beach during Urban Beach Weekend to monitor licence plates. They even did a story about it on the news.

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Reply #7 posted 06/24/13 4:58pm

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XxAxX said:

i thought the automated stuff has been mostly shot down by the ACLU as far as ticketing goes? unless this is just for monitoring?


Most of those cases are still in court as far as I know but they are being used for surveillance in some areas.

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Reply #8 posted 06/24/13 5:01pm

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Reply #9 posted 06/24/13 5:02pm

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Hmmmm....

http://973thedawg.com/rad...this-fair/

If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound? If a radar gun is placed in a guard rail on an interstate highway is it fair to motorist? No it’s not fair but is it legal? It sure is.

Coming soon to an interstate highway or other major traffic bearing road near you. The permanent speed camera and radar gun. These units tuck nicely into the guard rail along a long stretch of highway, and if you’re traveling above the posted speed in the words of Food Network, you are toast.

Actually this unit that you see pictured here is not like the Red Flex cameras that are currently in use in Acadiana. These are radar guns, much like the hand held devices you see State Troopers use on the Basin Bridge. These radar guns relay data, including a picture of the offending vehicle to a waiting patrol unit down the road a mile or two.

Is your radar detector useless against this stealthy approach to nailing speeders? You can count on about the same amount of warning as you get against the hand held guns. The hidden radar guns are activated by a motion sensor several hundred feet ahead of the gun. If you happen to be traveling alone you might get popped. If you are trailing a pack of cars that trip the system you might get an advanced warning of the possible speed trap.

The best advice we can offer, travel the posted speed, leave earlier so you don’t have to rush and just freaking relax. Life is too short to have to worry about paying speeding fines that you really don’t need to get.

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Reply #10 posted 06/24/13 5:03pm

SlickNuts

XxAxX said:

i thought the automated stuff has been mostly shot down by the ACLU as far as ticketing goes? unless this is just for monitoring?


They send tickets in the mail all the time in Tn. Mostly traffic light cameras for running red lights.
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Reply #11 posted 06/24/13 5:06pm

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SlickNuts said:

XxAxX said:

i thought the automated stuff has been mostly shot down by the ACLU as far as ticketing goes? unless this is just for monitoring?

They send tickets in the mail all the time in Tn. Mostly traffic light cameras for running red lights.



in MN they're gone, but looks like they might come back

http://www.kare11.com/new...ht-cameras-

ST. PAUL, Minn. -- Minnesota lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow cities in Minnesota to use automated stop light enforcement cameras.

"If people know there's no enforcement they evade the law. They run through the red light," Rep. Alice Hausman, a St. Paul Democrat, told KARE.

"As budgets are cut police have to ask where do we put our resources in terms of enforcement? And stationing someone at every busy intersection is not possible."

The cameras are authorized in 25 states, including Iowa and South Dakota. They're expressly banned in at least 10 states, including Wisconsin.

The city of Minneapolis used them in 2005 and 2006 to catch red light runners, but the practice was struck down by the Minnesota Supreme Court in 2007 and the cameras were deactivated.

The high court ruled that a photo of the license plate by itself does meet the standard probable cause threshold, because it doesn't prove the owner of the car was at the wheel at the time the photo was snapped.

"I'll offer an author's amendment that learns from the Minneapolis experience and will suggest the camera has to capture the face. You can't just capture the license plate," Hausman said, referring to the high court's ruling.

The supreme court also found that Minneapolis lacked authority to patrol an intersection with remote control cameras because Minnesota law requires that city control those junctions with officers or traffic signals.

If Hausman's bill, House File 487, became law it would expand that authority to municipalities to regulate intersections with "traffic control cameras" as well as signals and police officers.

Rich Neumeister, a longtime citizen lobbyist at the State Capitol on the issue of data privacy, said he has concerns about how the information will be used in addition to the stated purpose.

"I think part of the objection is the collection, possible sharing of that kind of information, but also I think it just goes against a grain of how Minnesota believes in privacy for its citizens," Neumeister told KARE.

He's also concerned that privacy concerns will be pushed aside in the name of helping cities reap revenues from the tickets that will be issued as a result of those cameras.

"To me it's a cash cow for municipalities. You can call it taxpayer shakedown, if you prefer, or a back door tax."

Chuck Samuelson, the executive director of ACLU-Minnesota, said he believes such a system will continue to raise due process issues for those ticketed via mail.

"We believe that the state law requires the operator of the motor vehicle be ticketed, and that you cannot do that by mail," Samuelson remarked.

"You must do it in person and a sworn officer has to see it."

He said even if the cameras simultaneously grab images of a driver's face, it won't always be clear to technicians examining the images just who is behind the wheel.

"They'll send a ticket to the owner of the car and require the owner of the car to rat out the driver. That's problematic and I'm not sure Minnesotans are really ready for that," Samuelson said.

Red-Flex, the Australian company that produces a wide array of automatic enforcement systems, has hired a Minnesota lobbyist and a Minneapolis attorney to work in support of the legislation during the 2013 session.

Red-Flex has earned $100 million in the past decade running Chicago's red light camera system, which also harvested $200 million in revenue for the city during the same period.

But Mayor Rahm Emanuel this week said Red-Flex will not be allowed to bid for that job when the company's current contract expires in July.

According to published reports in the Chicago Tribune, the Australian company hired an outside legal team to examine gifts the U.S. subsidiary of Red-Flex gave to Chicago city officials.

The legislation pending in Minnesota would not name an individual vendor. Those contracts would be worked out by the individual cities that choose to install the cameras.

A group calling itself the Traffic Safety Coalition sent out a press release Tuesday applauding the legislation and noting that 27 of Minnesota's 360 traffic fatalities in 2011 involved a traffic signal.

That coalition includes the Bicycle Alliance, Minnesotans for Safe Driving and some local chapters of Mothers Against Drunk Driving. The news release was sent by a public relations consultant based in Chicago.

The companion bill in the Senate, Senate File 377, is authored by Sen. John Pederson of St. Cloud. The mayor of St. Cloud, former Sen. Dave Kleis, is supportive of the idea.

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Reply #12 posted 06/24/13 6:11pm

babynoz

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XxAxX said:

here. i checked it out:

http://973thedawg.com/rad...this-fair/



Thanks. Useful information.

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