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Pope Francis:Role of Women, Sex Abuse,First Appointment to the Curia, Call to Lapsed Catholics

now that all the foramalities of picking a new pope come a close tomorrow with Pope Francis taking control of the Papal ArchBasilica of Christ the Savior and Saints John the Baptist and John the Evanaglist at the Lateran, Mother Church of Rome and The World. and Holy Week is winding down The Pope is starting to lay out his agenda. We saw hints of it in homily's the past few weeks and his visit to prision.

First up on Wednesday at his first general audeince, not held in the traitional Paul VI Auditorium but in St Peter's Square Pope Francis called on more visible role and respect for women in Christanity making note they were the first dispcles and the frist to see the Risen Christ

http://www.huffingtonpost...06126.html

"Pope Francis emphasised the "fundamental" importance of women in the Roman Catholic Church on Wednesday, saying they were the first witnesses of Christ and have a special role in spreading the faith.
The pontiff's decision a week ago to include women in a traditional foot-washing ritual drew ire from traditionalists, who see the custom as a re-enactment of Jesus washing the feet of his apostles and said it should therefore be limited to men.
Francis, elected last month as the first non-European pope in 1,300 years, said women had always had a special mission in the Church as "first witnesses" of Christ's resurrection, and because they pass belief onto their children and grandchildren."

though it is unlikely women will see the priesthood, see post on the reunificatin of the East and West, many believe that Francis is going to open up new roles for women in the adminstration of indifvidual churches and the Roman Curia

http://www.csmonitor.com/...-to-church

Marinella Perroni, a theologian and leading member of the Association of Italian Women Theologians, which promotes female experts on religion and their visibility in the Church, said the pope's words marked a significant shift from the previous pope.

"The fact that the Pope acknowledges that the progressive removal of female figures from the tradition of the resurrection ... is due to human judgments, distant from those of God, ... introduces a decidedly new element compared to the previous papacy."

on Friday the Holy Father addressed Sex Abuse for the first time since taking the Chair of St Peter

taking the most assertive stance a Pontiff has yet to take on the scandel that some view is driving away the faithful

http://www.huffingtonpost...19405.html

Pope Francis wants the Catholic Church to "act decisively" to root out sexual abuse of children by priests and ensure that the perpetrators undergo due process, the Vatican said on Friday.

Officials said that Francis, in a meeting with Holy See doctrinal chief Archbishop Gerhard Muller, had declared that combating sexual abuse was important "for the Church and its credibility".

though activist groups state this may be more of the same Pope Francis' one case of sex abuse while Archbishop of Buenos Aries he removed the offending pirest from public duties and turned him over to authorities

and today Pope Francis in a move that should send shockwaves through the Curia has made his first appointment. A Francsican to take the number two spot in the Congregration of Reglious Orders replacing the American who was investigating the American Women Religious Communities

http://www.usatoday.com/s...t/2058653/

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis on Saturday named a Spanish Franciscan to be the No. 2 at the Vatican's office for religious orders, his first appointment to the Vatican bureaucracy badly in need of a shakeup.

Jose Rodriguez, who also was elevated to archbishop, replaces U.S. Archbishop Joseph Tobin, who was transferred from the high-ranking Vatican post to a Midwestern U.S. archdiocese following his efforts to mediate tensions between the Vatican and American nuns, who in the view of theological conservatives had become too secular and political.

Rodriquez, 60, is an outsider to the Vatican administration and comes from the world of religious orders, like Francis who is a Jesuit. Rodriguez is well-thought of among the orders, and last year was elected president of an international association that gathers the heads of the male orders. He has been twice elected head of the Franciscans' Friars Minor order, one of the main branches of the Franciscan order founded by St. Francis of Assisi, the pope's namesake.

calling the hounds of the liberal American Women Religious and Nuns and Cardinal Dolan now saying the Catholic Church needs to stop appearing like it's a attacking Gay People are all signs that Pope is all ready hard at work making changes to the way the church is run

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Reply #1 posted 04/06/13 8:59pm

imago

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

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Reply #2 posted 04/06/13 9:11pm

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Thanks for keeping us abreast of Vatican happenings...it's almost like having our very own Org Vatican corresponent. cool

Yay for Nuns On The Bus! This could be an interesting Papacy.

"Information is abundant, but wisdom is scarce."
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Reply #3 posted 04/06/13 9:37pm

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imago said:

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

Girrrlll...

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Reply #4 posted 04/06/13 9:55pm

imago

Tremolina said:

imago said:

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

Girrrlll...

lol

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Reply #5 posted 04/07/13 12:12am

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imago said:

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

oh dan!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...vil-unions

- Less than an hour after he fired off an angry letter to Catholic Church leaders about their handling of Argentina's same-sex marriage debate, Marcelo Marquez says his phone rang.

He was surprised to hear the voice on the other end of the line. It was Jorge Mario Bergoglio, then the archbishop of Buenos Aires, and now the pope.

What Bergoglio said to him at a meeting soon afterward that year, 2010, was even more surprising, Marquez said.

For months, church officials had made sharp, public criticisms of the push to legalize same-sex marriage in the South American country. But privately, Bergoglio seemed to be more open to discussion, according to Marquez.

"He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary.

i covered this in his first week as Bishop of Rome

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Reply #6 posted 04/07/13 4:00am

imago

ehuffnsd said:

imago said:

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

oh dan!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...vil-unions

- Less than an hour after he fired off an angry letter to Catholic Church leaders about their handling of Argentina's same-sex marriage debate, Marcelo Marquez says his phone rang.

He was surprised to hear the voice on the other end of the line. It was Jorge Mario Bergoglio, then the archbishop of Buenos Aires, and now the pope.

What Bergoglio said to him at a meeting soon afterward that year, 2010, was even more surprising, Marquez said.

For months, church officials had made sharp, public criticisms of the push to legalize same-sex marriage in the South American country. But privately, Bergoglio seemed to be more open to discussion, according to Marquez.

"He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary.

i covered this in his first week as Bishop of Rome

Yeah, I'm really not impressed.

This will be a much more likable pope, but no materially different.

Like Obama in early 09, he's been given unearned praise before even

we see anything different coming out of him other than some

empty words and foot washing.

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Reply #7 posted 04/07/13 9:21am

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imago said:

ehuffnsd said:

oh dan!

http://www.cnn.com/2013/0...vil-unions

- Less than an hour after he fired off an angry letter to Catholic Church leaders about their handling of Argentina's same-sex marriage debate, Marcelo Marquez says his phone rang.

He was surprised to hear the voice on the other end of the line. It was Jorge Mario Bergoglio, then the archbishop of Buenos Aires, and now the pope.

What Bergoglio said to him at a meeting soon afterward that year, 2010, was even more surprising, Marquez said.

For months, church officials had made sharp, public criticisms of the push to legalize same-sex marriage in the South American country. But privately, Bergoglio seemed to be more open to discussion, according to Marquez.

"He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary.

i covered this in his first week as Bishop of Rome

Yeah, I'm really not impressed.

This will be a much more likable pope, but no materially different.

Like Obama in early 09, he's been given unearned praise before even

we see anything different coming out of him other than some

empty words and foot washing.

he's actually very different.

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Reply #8 posted 04/07/13 12:03pm

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The Pope recieved the Pallium on March 19th and today he recieved his received his crosier and said his first mass at the Cathedral of Rome marking his full installation as His Holiness Pope Francis, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church, Patriarch of the West, Primate of Italy, Archbishop and Metropoliatn of the Roman Province, Sovereign of the State of Vatican City, Servant of the Sevants of God.

In his homily in St. John's, whose adjoining palace was the residence of most popes until the 14th century, Francis urged Catholics who had strayed from their Church to have the courage to return.

"God's patience has to call forth in us the courage to return to him, however many mistakes and sins there may be in our life," he said, speaking in Italian.

Francis has inherited a Church weakened by sexual abuse of children by priests in many countries and allegations of corruption in the Vatican.

Many have said their faith was shaken by the scandals. Francis, who is expected to make new appointments to clean up the Vatican's often dysfunctional bureaucracy, urged Catholics to let God back into their lives.

"We hear many offers from the world around us; but let us take up God's offer instead: his is a caress of love. For God, we are not numbers, we are important, indeed we are the most important thing to him; even if we are sinners, we are what is closest to his heart," he said.

http://economictimes.indi...433862.cms


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Reply #9 posted 04/08/13 2:24am

imago

ehuffnsd said:

imago said:

Yeah, I'm really not impressed.

This will be a much more likable pope, but no materially different.

Like Obama in early 09, he's been given unearned praise before even

we see anything different coming out of him other than some

empty words and foot washing.

he's actually very different.

OK, I guess I need to ask the question.

How do you feel the Pope materially improves your life? Or those of other people?

I think he's going to be praised like Mother Theresa was praised, who's displays

and admissions of helping the poorest of the poor paled in comparison to

how little she actually did to move people out of poverty.

I just see business as usual except for cosmetically. I guess I will be proven

wrong over time. At least, I hope I will.

.




[Edited 4/8/13 2:31am]

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Reply #10 posted 04/08/13 8:29am

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imago said:

ehuffnsd said:

he's actually very different.

OK, I guess I need to ask the question.

How do you feel the Pope materially improves your life? Or those of other people?

I think he's going to be praised like Mother Theresa was praised, who's displays

and admissions of helping the poorest of the poor paled in comparison to

how little she actually did to move people out of poverty.

I just see business as usual except for cosmetically. I guess I will be proven

wrong over time. At least, I hope I will.

.




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the way he called off the witch hunt on women religious this weekend will vastly improve my great aunt's life

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Reply #11 posted 04/08/13 1:32pm

namepeace

Habemus Papam.

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Reply #12 posted 04/08/13 2:23pm

namepeace

ehuffnsd said:

imago said:

OK, I guess I need to ask the question.

How do you feel the Pope materially improves your life? Or those of other people?

I think he's going to be praised like Mother Theresa was praised, who's displays

and admissions of helping the poorest of the poor paled in comparison to

how little she actually did to move people out of poverty.

I just see business as usual except for cosmetically. I guess I will be proven

wrong over time. At least, I hope I will.

.




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the way he called off the witch hunt on women religious this weekend will vastly improve my great aunt's life

I for one couldn't be more pleased with the new papacy. A Jesuit appointing a Franciscan to the Curia. Non-Catholics may not fully grasp what's happening, but it's nothing to sneeze at. Time will tell whether these measures -- or Francis' papacy -- is largely symbolic. But to a Catholic like me, this papacy is energizing, much in the way John Paul I brought great energy to the Church 35 years ago.

We can't criticize or praise him for what he's done. He's barely gotten his stuff moved in. But he's bringing a positive energy to the Church. He may not change major teachings on "faith and morals" (as it's called in the Church) but he's trying to assure gays, women, abuse victims/families, non-practicing Catholics and the outside world that the Church will not treat them as strangers to the flock, but part of it, while he works on building the credibility of the Church up again. His message appears to be filtering down. That's good news. Hopefully the positive expectations are met down the line.

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #13 posted 04/10/13 6:12am

Empress

imago said:

I find him utterly unremarkable outside of theatrics and personality.

Until he comes out in support of contraception, family planning, and gay rights, he's just another religious leader to me.

I wish this media hardon for the New Pope would actually subside. It's nausiating.

I totally agree. thumbs up!

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Reply #14 posted 04/10/13 6:23am

Graycap23

Interesting that this institution has any legs at all in 2013.

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Reply #15 posted 04/10/13 8:48am

namepeace

Graycap23 said:

Interesting that this institution has any legs at all in 2013.

You know what? I actually agree.

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Reply #16 posted 04/10/13 8:52pm

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babynoz said:

Thanks for keeping us abreast of Vatican happenings...it's almost like having our very own Org Vatican corresponent. cool

Yay for Nuns On The Bus! This could be an interesting Papacy.

I agree. This Pope may evolve in the years to come.

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