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Reply #30 posted 08/09/12 11:47am

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This imagery is being released in association with NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission. This is a temporary caption to be replaced as soon as more information is available.

These are the first two full-resolution images of the Martian surface from the Navigation cameras on NASA's Curiosity rover, which are located on the rover's "head" or mast. The rim of Gale Crater can be seen in the distance beyond the pebbly ground.

The topography of the rim is very mountainous due to erosion. The ground seen in the middle shows low-relief scarps and plains. The foreground shows two distinct zones of excavation likely carved out by blasts from the rover's descent stage thrusters.

These are full-resolution images, 1024 by 1024 pixels in size.

Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

That's a nice sharp picture.

It is absolutely astounding that there both planets have Mountains cloud9

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Reply #31 posted 08/09/12 11:59am

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For me its amazing because it looks like it landed on any desert part of southern California Nevada or Arizona. If conspiracy theorists don't believe we landed on the moon, this should blow their gaskets.
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Reply #32 posted 08/09/12 5:55pm

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It's one of those things, where the technology is awesome. Wow! We can put a car on mars and snap pics. But also it's one of those things, oh wow look some pictures of sand. Oh look, some more pictures of desert. Another picture of sand. More pictures of sand. Some more pictures of desert. My Suggestions, Next time but a Hummer on Mars and I would rather see this done than more War.

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Reply #33 posted 08/09/12 6:00pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

It's one of those things, where the technology is awesome. Wow! We can put a car on mars and snap pics. But also it's one of those things, oh wow look some pictures of sand. Oh look, some more pictures of desert. Another picture of sand. More pictures of sand. Some more pictures of desert. My Suggestions, Next time but a Hummer on Mars and I would rather see this done than more War.

Does this thing have a video camera? Would be amazing to see video of weather experiences on Mars.

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Reply #34 posted 08/10/12 11:12am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

It's one of those things, where the technology is awesome. Wow! We can put a car on mars and snap pics. But also it's one of those things, oh wow look some pictures of sand. Oh look, some more pictures of desert. Another picture of sand. More pictures of sand. Some more pictures of desert. My Suggestions, Next time but a Hummer on Mars and I would rather see this done than more War.

The pictures are just proof that everything is in great working order, hurdle two cleared.

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Reply #35 posted 08/10/12 2:14pm

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NASA Mohawk Guy Bobak Ferdowsi on Sci-Fi, Legos and Becoming a Meme

As space geeks watched nervously to see if NASA's Curiosity rover would land safely on Mars, many found themselves wondering, "Hey, who's that cool dude with the stars-and-stripes mohawk?"

That dude was Bobak Ferdowsi, the activity lead for NASA's mission to Mars, and his crazy haircut made him the internet's new favorite thing. Less than 24 hours after Curiosity touched down, Mohawk Guy had blasted into our collective consciousness. Instant fame led to a NASA Needs More Mohawks Tumblr dedicated to him, a rash of online marriage proposals, a string of meme photos of Ferdowsi at mission control, and loads of adoring fan art. He also now has more than 44,000 Twitter followers.

"I sort of thought this week was just going to be dealing with the emotions of landing," Ferdowsi said in a phone interview with Wired. "But to find out late Sunday, early Monday morning that all of the sudden people were really interested in me, that was totally surreal."

Because the internet loves remixing its memes almost as much as it loves making them, there's also now a "Call Me Maybe" version of the Mohawk Guy meme, as well as an au courant version with Olympic gymnast McKayla Maroney for the McKayla Is Not Impressed Tumblr.

Wired caught up with Ferdowsi to talk to him how he created that fabulous hair, seeing William Shatner at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, playing with Legos and what it's like to be a scientist-turned-web-celeb. Look through some of our favorite Mohawk Guy images, and check out what he had to say, in the gallery above.

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Reply #36 posted 08/10/12 7:02pm

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Wanna learn more about outta space? well you are in it

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Reply #37 posted 08/11/12 5:17pm

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Now what?

The nuclear-powered, six-wheel Curiosity is on a quest to learn whether the Martian environment could have been favorable for microbial life. Before it can drive, it has to slog through weeks of health checkups. Since it's the most complex spacecraft ever sent to the red planet, engineers want to make sure it's in tip-top shape before they hand over the keys to scientists. It already has done a cursory check of its 10 science tools, but more tests are needed. This weekend, its computers get a software update — a process that will last several days.

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Reply #38 posted 08/14/12 2:40pm

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Why is this a Politics & Religion thread?? lol

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Reply #39 posted 08/14/12 10:07pm

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Why is this a Politics & Religion thread?? lol

See page 1 lol

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Reply #40 posted 08/15/12 9:53am

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imago said:

There is a couple of you ding-dongs that get bent out of shape over this. Take a deep breath, its going to be ok...

[Flame snip - luv4u]

I'm not bent out of shape. rolleyes

This is not a P&R thread in the least. That's all I'm saying.

Seriously, some of you are such [Name calling snip - luv4u].

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Reply #41 posted 08/15/12 10:54am

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(SPACE.com) If androids dream of electric sheep, what do Mars rovers dream about? Their fiery descents through the Red Planet's atmosphere? Or maybe their Earthly home, so many million miles away?

The seemingly silly question is worthy of a few minutes' consideration, for researchers revealed Tuesday (Aug. 14) that NASA's Mars rover Curiosity on the Red Planet has a "dream mode." This state allows the 1-ton robot to save energy while performing vital functions, scientists said.

"It's sort of the reptile brain for the rover," Curiosity chief avionics engineer Jim Donaldson, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif., told reporters Tuesday.

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Reply #42 posted 08/16/12 10:42am

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New Delhi, Aug 15:

Making the first formal announcement on the country’s Mars mission, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today said India will send a mission to the Red Planet that will mark a huge step in the area of science and technology.

“Recently, the Cabinet has approved the Mars Orbiter Mission. Under this Mission, our spaceship will go near Mars and collect important scientific information,” he said addressing the nation from the ramparts of the Red Fort on the occasion of the 66th Independence Day.

“This spaceship to Mars will be a huge step for us in the area of science and technology,” Manmohan Singh said.

India will be the sixth country to launch a mission to the Red Planet after the US, Russia, Europe, Japan and China.

If the mission is successful, India will be the first Asian country to do so as probes sent by China and Japan had to be abandoned en route.

http://www.thehindubusine...775153.ece

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Reply #43 posted 08/16/12 4:53pm

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imago said:



V10LETBLUES said:


imago said:


There is a couple of you ding-dongs that get bent out of shape over this. Take a deep breath, its going to be ok...




[Flame snip - luv4u]


I'm not bent out of shape. rolleyes



This is not a P&R thread in the least. That's all I'm saying.



Seriously, some of you are such [Name calling snip - luv4u].



:Lol:

Ok fine,
relax. But instead of just posting hissy fits, post something related to the topic.


Anyway..

http://idealab.talkingpoi...it.php?m=1

Twelve members of NASA’s Mars Curiosity Rover science and engineering team —the team responsible for the rover’s operations on the surface of the Red Planet —took to the social news website Reddit on Thursday to answer users’ questions about the mission. Despite being bombarded by hundreds if not thousands of questions, the Mars Curiosity team members didn’t disappoint, rapidly and candidly answering questions ranging from everything about the plan for the rover’s activities on Mars to their own computing and smartphone preferences. TPM has compiled a list of some of the most interesting responses to come out of the live question-and-answer session (known on Reddit as an “AMA” short for “ask me anything”). NASA would tell the public AS
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Reply #44 posted 08/17/12 7:46pm

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Is it time for a Science & Tech Forum? Maybe

I'm at awe with Curiosity and the science that drives it all. I'd LOVE a real-time MARS CAM planted so we could tune in - and maybe take a Mars Safari with Curiosity.

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Reply #45 posted 08/18/12 7:59pm

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Such a photowhore. Taking pictures of itself. That's a huge crater by the way.

This full-resolution self-portrait shows the deck of NASA's Curiosity rover from the rover's Navigation camera.

This full-resolution self-portrait shows the deck of NASA's Curiosity rover from the rover's Navigation camera. The back of the rover can be seen at the top left of the image, and two of the rover's right side wheels can be seen on the left. The undulating rim of Gale Crater forms the lighter color strip in the background. Bits of gravel, about 0.4 inches (1 centimeter) in size, are visible on the deck of the rover.

This mosaic is made of 20 images, each of 1,024 by 1,024 pixels, taken late at night on Aug. 7 PDT (early morning Aug. 8 EDT). It uses an average of the Navcam positions to synthesize the point of view of a single camera, with a field of view of 120 degrees. Seams between the images have been minimized as much as possible. The wide field of view introduces some distortion at the edges of the mosaic.

The "augmented reality" or AR tag seen on the rover deck, in the middle of the image, can be used in the future with smart phones to obtain more information about the mission.

This image shows the calibration target for the Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover.

This image shows the calibration target for the Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover. The calibration target is one square and a group of nine circles that look dark in the black-and-white image. The calibration target set can be seen in the middle left in this image, to the right of the rover's power source. The materials used in these circles are the types of materials scientists anticipated they might encounter on Mars. The square is a titanium alloy with a painted edge.

An annotated version indicates where the target is.

The ChemCam instrument will be firing a series of powerful, but invisible, laser pulses at a target rock or soil. It is located on the rover's mast, near the Navigation camera that took this image. A telescopic camera known as the remote micro-imager will show the context of the spots hit with the laser.

This image was taken by the right-side Navigation camera on Aug. 16, 2012.

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Reply #46 posted 08/20/12 3:09am

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Red said:

Is it time for a Science & Tech Forum? Maybe

I'm at awe with Curiosity and the science that drives it all. I'd LOVE a real-time MARS CAM planted so we could tune in - and maybe take a Mars Safari with Curiosity.

Yeah, probably, since a lot of people seem to be interested in this stuff - and this misfiling is hell for those of us who are a bit OCD! wink

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Reply #47 posted 08/20/12 10:54am

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Computerworld - NASA's Mars rover Curiosity successfully tested its laser on Sunday, blasting a fist-size Martian rock and analyzing its makeup.

The rover's Chemistry and Camera instrument, dubbed the ChemCam, zapped the rock with 30 pulses during a 10-second span, according to the space agency. With each pulse carrying more than a million watts of power in a five one-billionth-of-a-second burst, the laser turned the rock, which scientists named Coronation, into an ionized, glowing plasma.

At that point, the ChemCam, which sits on the rover's mast, caught the light from the plasma with a telescope and analyzed the specimen with three spectrometers to discover what the rocks are made of, NASA said.

"It's surprising that the data are even better than we ever had during tests on Earth, in signal-to-noise ratio," said ChemCam deputy project scientist Sylvestre Maurice. "It's so rich, we can expect great science from investigating what might be thousands of targets with ChemCam in the next two years."

Toward the end of the year, NASA engineers expect to begin to move Curiosity toward Mount Sharp, a three-mile high mountain in the middle of Gale Crater, where the rover landed. Mount Sharp is a primary area of interest for the scientists who are hoping to discover if Mars has ever been able to support microbial life.

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Reply #48 posted 08/25/12 9:27am

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V10LETBLUES said:

imago said:

[Flame snip - luv4u]

I'm not bent out of shape. rolleyes

This is not a P&R thread in the least. That's all I'm saying.

Seriously, some of you are such [Name calling snip - luv4u].

:Lol: Ok fine, relax. But instead of just posting hissy fits, post something related to the topic. Anyway.. http://idealab.talkingpoi...it.php?m=1 Twelve members of NASA’s Mars Curiosity Rover science and engineering team —the team responsible for the rover’s operations on the surface of the Red Planet —took to the social news website Reddit on Thursday to answer users’ questions about the mission. Despite being bombarded by hundreds if not thousands of questions, the Mars Curiosity team members didn’t disappoint, rapidly and candidly answering questions ranging from everything about the plan for the rover’s activities on Mars to their own computing and smartphone preferences. TPM has compiled a list of some of the most interesting responses to come out of the live question-and-answer session (known on Reddit as an “AMA” short for “ask me anything”). NASA would tell the public AS [url]

Who the fuck is posting hissy fits?

I simply said this thread isn't a P&R thread.

You're the person who started with the ding-dong name calling.

Talk about stupid comments. rolleyes

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Reply #49 posted 08/25/12 9:31am

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Anyways, since this thread is stuck in the P&R for no goddamned reason, I'll just post the SCIENCE BASED speculations in this P&R fucking thread then.

What I don't get about the Curiosity is that it will do everything but absolutely confirm the existence of life--which baffles me, considering how expensive and how complex this machine was.

It leads me to wonder if we could still infer beyond the shaddow of a doubt that life existed on mars based on the evidence it can obtain. I mean, I would imagine that such a confirmation would be to irresistable to the NASA team that worked on this for it NOT to be a capability. I've been reading a lot on it lately, but despite all the details, it seems vague on this one subject.

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Reply #50 posted 08/25/12 10:11pm

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I'm assuming they need to bring the samples back to Earth so they can run all the chemical test on them. Since those chemicals couldn't be sent along with Curiosity there's no way it can actually prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt. So I guess when they are able to send people that can stay long enough with enough equipment to do real scientific testing then they'll be able to say for sure. NASA is very careful about saying definites.

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Reply #51 posted 08/27/12 10:26am

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I think I did a pretty good guess.

However, the problem of life detection is a hard one, and not really tractable with in-situ instruments, Conley said. "That's one thing we definitely learned from Viking."

Conley said that science works by doing follow-on experiments to answer questions raised by early results, and no mission could carry every instrument needed to make a really definitive conclusion.

"MSL is designed as a very capable geochemistry mission, with the objective of understanding surface conditions on Mars — at Gale Crater. The strategy of identifying 'habitable environments' that's used on this mission is a good way to avoid misinterpreting results that will be obtained," Conley told SPACE.com.

Complication

Returning Mars samples to Earth would allow for much more comprehensive science, Conley said. "Until this past February, we were planning a set of missions with the European Space Agency to do exactly that. Unfortunately, budgetary constraints and programmatic priorities resulted in the cancellation of plans for that set of missions."

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Reply #52 posted 08/28/12 10:16am

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Curiosity blasted Will. i. am's "Reach for the Stars" on Mars today.

Oh I'm sure the Martians really loved that.

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Curiosity Beams Back First Human Voice from Another Planet

On Monday, NASA played a recording from Administrator Charles Bolden that had been sent up to the rover on Mars and relayed back to Earth. In it, he thanked scientists and engineers for their achievement.

David Lavery of NASA headquarters said the hope is that someone will be inspired by Bolden's message and become the first human to stand on Mars.

When the first Mars rover Sojourner landed in 1997, science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke rephrased Armstrong's famous line and said the event was "one small step for the rover."

"Like the great Neil Armstrong, they'll be able to speak aloud — the first person at that point, of the next giant leap in human exploration," he said.

Neil Armstrong inspired millions with his moonwalk. Can a feisty robotic rover exploring Mars do the same for another generation? With manned missions beyond the International Space Station on hold, the spotlight has turned on machines.

While it did not rise to Armstrong's "one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind," interest was so high in the rover Curiosity's "seven minutes of terror" approach to the red planet earlier this month that NASA's website crashed after receiving nearly 2 billion hits. The rover last week beamed home photographs of its first wheel tracks on the Martian soil since its daredevil landing

"There's something exciting about reaching another place in the solar system. If you think about the kind of interest the landing of Curiosity had, you get a sense of that," said Smithsonian Institution space curator Roger Launius. It wasn't on the same level as Armstrong's feat, "but it was pretty darn exciting," he said.

When Armstrong, then fellow astronaut Buzz Aldrin, stepped on the moon on July 20, 1969, an estimated 600 million people watched and listened. "Virtually the entire world took that memorable journey with us," recalled Buzz Aldrin after Armstrong's death Saturday.

Early in the Space Age, the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo astronauts were the public face of NASA's space endeavor while the unmanned lunar missions that paved the way were in the shadows. The public craved adventure and the manned missions delivered. Aiming for the moon was new and exciting — not to mention dangerous — and the U.S. was locked in a Cold War space race with the Soviets.

Next, the space shuttle ferried a new crop of astronauts to low-Earth orbit, but after three decades of service, it became routine. And the Cold War thawed with the Russians and Americans cooperating on the Russian space station Mir and the International Space Station.

With the space shuttle fleet retired, the space station is all that's left. Its crew of six for the most part quietly goes about doing its job about 250 miles above the Earth. President Barack Obama nixed plans for returning astronauts to the moon in favor of landing on an asteroid and eventually Mars.

These days, space exploration is carried out by robotic spacecraft — commanded by human handlers on Earth. Advances in technology have allowed unmanned spacecraft to go farther and peer deeper, with craft circling Mercury, Saturn, asteroid Vesta and others headed for Jupiter and dwarf planet Pluto. The twin Voyager craft are still going strong at the fringes of the solar system 35 years after their launch in 1977.

American University space policy analyst Howard McCurdy said today's generation of explorers was raised on technology and tends to get more jazzed about delivering a car-size rover to Mars.

"Robotic exploration has taken more of a center stage," he said. "It gets more publicity now than the International Space Station."

When the first Mars rover Sojourner landed in 1997, science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke rephrased Armstrong's famous line and said the event was "one small step for the rover."

Three other rovers have followed including Curiosity, which landed Aug. 5 by executing an intricate routine that ended with it being lowered by cables to the surface. Curiosity's acrobatics proved so popular that its Twitter followers surged from 120,000 the eve of landing to more than a million (the tweets are being written by the public affairs office at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, which manages the $2.5 billion mission.)

Curiosity chief scientist John Grotzinger said Monday the wheel prints on Mars may turn out to be an iconic image just like those first boot prints on the lunar surface.

"Instead of a human, it's a robot pretty much doing the same thing," he said.

Henry Lambright, a professor of public policy and space scholar at Syracuse University, said while Curiosity is inspiring, the world still needs to send humans beyond low-Earth orbit.

"It can't inspire to the degree that Apollo did because a robot can't inspire the way a man can," Lambright said.

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Reply #54 posted 09/05/12 11:46am

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Reading the Rover's Tracks

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Reply #55 posted 09/15/12 12:26pm

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hmmm confuse

Any ideas??? Besides rocks? confused biggrin

NASA's Opportunity spots strange spherical objects on Mars

Posted on September 15, 2012 - 11:26 by TG Daily Staff

NASA's stalwart Opportunity rover has captured an image of the Martian surface that is puzzling scientists.

Spherical objects concentrated at an outcrop Opportunity reached last week differ in several ways from iron-rich spherules nicknamed "blueberries" the rover found at its landing site in early 2004 and numerous other locations to date.

The long-lived rover is currently investigating an outcrop known as Kirkwood in the Cape York segment of the western rim of Endeavour Crater. The spheres measure as much as one-eighth of an inch (3 millimeters) in diameter. Although the analysis is still preliminary, the resulting data indicates the spheres do not have the high iron content of Martian blueberries.

"This is one of the most extraordinary pictures from the whole mission," explained Opportunity's principal investigator, Steve Squyres of Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.

"Kirkwood is chock full of a dense accumulation of these small spherical objects. Of course, we immediately thought of the blueberries, but this is something different. We never have seen such a dense accumulation of spherules in a rock outcrop on Mars."

The Martian blueberries found elsewhere by Opportunity are concretions formed by action of mineral-laden water inside rocks, evidence of a wet environment on early Mars. Concretions result when minerals precipitate out of water to become hard masses inside sedimentary rocks. Many of the Kirkwood spheres are broken and eroded by the wind. Indeed, where wind has partially etched them away, a concentric structure is clearly evident.

Opportunity used the microscopic imager on its arm to look closely at Kirkwood. Researchers checked the spheres' composition by using an instrument called the Alpha Particle X-Ray Spectrometer on Opportunity's arm.

"They seem to be crunchy on the outside, and softer in the middle. They are different in concentration. They are different in structure. They are different in composition. They are different in distribution,” Squyres said.

"So, we have a wonderful geological puzzle in front of us. We have multiple working hypotheses, and we have no favorite hypothesis at this time. It's going to take a while to work this out, so the thing to do now is keep an open mind and let the rocks do the talking."

Just past Kirkwood lies another science target area for Opportunity. NASA describes the location as an extensive pale-toned outcrop in an area of Cape York where observations from orbit have detected signs of clay minerals. That may be the rover's next study site after Kirkwood.

Four years ago, Opportunity departed Victoria Crater - which the rover had investigated for two years - to reach different types of geological evidence at the rim of the much larger Endeavour Crater.

"The rover is in very good health considering its 8-1/2 years of hard work on the surface of Mars," noted Mars Exploration Rover Project Manager John Callas of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

"Spring equinox comes this month to Mars' southern hemisphere, so the amount of sunshine for solar power will continue increasing for months. Energy production levels are comparable to what they were a full Martian year ago, and we are looking forward to productive spring and summer seasons of exploration."

NASA launched the Mars rovers Spirit and Opportunity in the summer of 2003 - with both completing their three-month prime missions in April 2004. They continued bonus, extended missions for years, until Spirit lost contact with Earth in March 2010. 

Nevertheless, both rovers have made important discoveries about wet environments on ancient Mars that may have been favorable for supporting microbial life.

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