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V10LETBLUES

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Gas prices down. Fox will rain praise on Obama

They will devote as much wall to wall coverage on it as when they went up.
Fair and balanced.

Yeah right. lol
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Reply #1 posted 06/22/12 10:44am

Shanti0608

DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH PLEASE!

Where I live the gas has gone done about 90 cents a gallon in less than 8 weeks.

Funny how I haven't seen anyone blame Obama for that.

Hmmm...

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Reply #2 posted 06/22/12 10:58am

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V10LETBLUES said:

They will devote as much wall to wall coverage on it as when they went up. Fair and balanced. Yeah right. lol

Yeah, as soon as Drudge, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity, Savage, and the rest of their ilk begin to praise Obama for not raising taxes during his first term. lol

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Reply #3 posted 06/22/12 12:27pm

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when it gets under 2.50 then we can talk

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Reply #4 posted 06/22/12 12:35pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

when it gets under 2.50 then we can talk

When the president is actually in control of world gas prices then we can talk

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Reply #5 posted 06/22/12 12:44pm

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aardvark15 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

when it gets under 2.50 then we can talk

When the president is actually in control of world gas prices then we can talk

and? oh and he does have some power, he could be less hostel to domestic development.

(and do not even use the talking point that domestic drilling is up under obama... that is due to drilling on private lands and has NOTHING to do with obama's policy. also remember obama is hostile in general to energy: bankrupting coal plants and causing electricity cost to Skyrocket.)

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Reply #6 posted 06/22/12 1:09pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

aardvark15 said:

When the president is actually in control of world gas prices then we can talk

and? oh and he does have some power, he could be less hostel to domestic development.

(and do not even use the talking point that domestic drilling is up under obama... that is due to drilling on private lands and has NOTHING to do with obama's policy. also remember obama is hostile in general to energy: bankrupting coal plants and causing electricity cost to Skyrocket.)

I didn't say anything other than he's not in control of gas prices

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Reply #7 posted 06/22/12 1:12pm

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aardvark15 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and? oh and he does have some power, he could be less hostel to domestic development.

(and do not even use the talking point that domestic drilling is up under obama... that is due to drilling on private lands and has NOTHING to do with obama's policy. also remember obama is hostile in general to energy: bankrupting coal plants and causing electricity cost to Skyrocket.)

I didn't say anything other than he's not in control of gas prices

and i said his policy can help. and he could help by giving a national tax Holiday. it is funny to hear government officials cry about the profits oil companies make when the government makes the most by far than anyone else.

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Reply #8 posted 06/22/12 1:25pm

Shanti0608

Why do Americans think they should pay less than other countries for gas?

Just curious.

http://www.dailyfinance.c...s-and-oil/

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Reply #9 posted 06/22/12 1:55pm

duccichucka

Cain't some nerd in a white lab jacket figure out how to make an

engine run on seawater or some other abundantly available shit that

won't pollute the environment and cause this mighty country's

dependence on it?

Fuck gas!

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Reply #10 posted 06/22/12 1:57pm

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Shanti0608 said:

Why do Americans think they should pay less than other countries for gas?


Just curious.



http://www.dailyfinance.c...s-and-oil/



How is it my falut that other nations have much higher taxes/fees on gas?
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Reply #11 posted 06/22/12 1:58pm

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duccichucka said:

Cain't some nerd in a white lab jacket figure out how to make an


engine run on seawater or some other abundantly available shit that


won't pollute the environment and cause this mighty country's


dependence on it?



Fuck gas!



Until then we will need oil and Coal.
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Reply #12 posted 06/22/12 2:10pm

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aardvark15 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

when it gets under 2.50 then we can talk

When the president is actually in control of world gas prices then we can talk

In his fictional world, Obama is responsible for his toilet backing up too.

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Reply #13 posted 06/22/12 2:15pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

aardvark15 said:

I didn't say anything other than he's not in control of gas prices

and i said his policy can help. and he could help by giving a national tax Holiday. it is funny to hear government officials cry about the profits oil companies make when the government makes the most by far than anyone else.

Why weren't you crying with gas prices when up during Bush presidency? Fair and balanced. A little research will do wonders:

Domestic Oil Production Is Irrelevant To Oil Prices

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Gasoline is made of oil, so it sounds to a lot of people like if the United States produced more oil domestically that gasoline would get a lot chaper. But a new CBO report on gasoline prices contains this nice chart which shows that it's not so. Canada is a net oil exporter, Japan produces no oil, and the United States is a middle case. But it's Canada, not the US, that's in the middle case for retail gasoline prices. Why?


The issue is that oil is a globally traded commodity, so oil isn't really any more expensive in importing countries than in exporting countries. International price differences are driven by the fact that some countries have high taxes on gasoline, some (like the U.S.) have low ones, and others have subsidies. Many oil-producing countries have adopted misguided co...dy schemes so it's empirically true that high-production countries tend to have low prices, but this is a coincidence not a strict causal relationship.


What increased oil production does do is alter a country's trade situation. Canada imports a lot of consumer durable goods, so the more oil they export to the United States the more KitchenAid stand mixers they can afford to import from Ohio. This can be a big deal (Argentina, for example, really needs to bolster domestic energy production to raise foreign currency reserves) but it's a different issue and it's not one the United States is facing.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/05/10/domestic_oil_production_is_irrelevant_to_oil_prices.html

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Reply #14 posted 06/22/12 2:18pm

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The Real Cause of Rising Prices at the Gas Pump

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29844

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Reply #15 posted 06/22/12 2:23pm

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Zakaria: Obama's oil problem

By Fareed Zakaria, CNN

The American economy seems to have picked up. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is hovering around 13,000 - the highest since the financial crisis began in May 2008. The NASDAQ is actually at its highest level since the technology bubble burst more than a decade ago. Stock prices aren't everything but data from the economy on the ground is also slowly getting better. Jobless claims are down; housing starts are up. Things do seem to be getting better, slowly but surely.

This is all good news for President Obama because there is a very strong correlation between economic growth and a president's prospects for reelection. The unemployment numbers are still pretty high but they are falling. Also, many models suggest that unemployment is not the crucial statistic to determine whether a President will win reelection.

Most people are employed. It's the rise in per capita GDP - the average person's income rise - that determines whether they feel things are getting better and thus whether they will vote for the incumbent or seek a change.

So does that mean the economy - and the president - are in good shape?

Well, they're in better shape that they looked 6 months ago. Many of the crises that people worried about now seem unlikely to derail American growth. Mario Draghi and the European Central bank have ensured that there will not be a European financial collapse. There might well be a European recession, but that has a smaller effect on American growth.

Derek Thompson at the Atlantic points out one worrying prospect, which is that the next debt ceiling renewal might actually have to take place before the elections, in which case we should expect another absurd and politicized drama since all the Republican candidates have already announced that they will not raise it. But let's hope that this is an unlikely scenario.

What's more plausible is a slowdown due to high oil prices. Oil has been creeping up for months now. It is up to $105 a barrel and over $3.50 at the pump. Why prices have moved so much, so fast is something of a mystery.

Oil was at around $50 a barrel in 2007 when all major economies were booming. Today demand from America, China, India, Europe are all somewhat weaker - and yet prices are sky high.

The one obvious factor, of course, is the political instability in the Middle East. Worries about Iran are probably the principal driver of these prices and the speculations surrounding it. Ironically president Obama’s foreign policy is having an impact economically that is not advantageous to him or the American economy.

Now, there isn't an easy path to lowering oil prices. Drilling more or raising efficiency - none of this will have much impact in the short run. For now, as so often in the past, the geopolitics of the Middle east - America, Israel and Iran - are the crucial drivers of the fate of the American economy , and possibly the fate of this presidency.

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/26/zakaria-obamas-oil-problem/

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Reply #16 posted 06/22/12 2:25pm

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US Oil Production under the Obama Admin a non-issue for the Election

I don't see how the GOP will be able to get traction against Obama for being 'anti-oil' when US Oil Production has gone up more under him than any president in the last 20 years. Yes, they'll love to talk about how he froze deep oil drilling and one pipeline project (many oil producers were actually against the pipeline). However, when its all totaled up, US oil production has gone up under Obama ... a considerable amount too.

The chart at this link goes back to 1980 (click to see it).
United States Crude Oil P...s per Day)

Here's one comparing the Obama admin to the bush admin (same data, smaller time frame).



By the way, in 2011, it went UP another 3.6%.

Will the GOP try to keep up this charade of "Obama-is-anti-oil" through election season?

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/political-parties-campaigns-elections/72313-us-oil-production-under-obama-admin-non-issue-election.html

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Reply #17 posted 06/22/12 2:29pm

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rudedog said:[quote]



OnlyNDaUsa said:




aardvark15 said:



I didn't say anything other than he's not in control of gas prices




and i said his policy can help. and he could help by giving a national tax Holiday. it is funny to hear government officials cry about the profits oil companies make when the government makes the most by far than anyone else.




Why weren't you crying with gas prices when up during Bush presidency? Fair and balanced. A little research will do wonders:




I am not crying now. And I was just as annoyed then as I am now. The difference is obama's energy policy seems to be anti oil and coal. And in July 2008 after bush said we would drill more prices dropped and went down to well under $2 a gallon.

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Reply #18 posted 06/22/12 2:34pm

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Some other interesting links:

Debunking American Petrol...Oil Issues

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/03/28/453894/debunking-american-petroleum-institute-claims-about-oil-issues/

More US drilling didn't drop gas price

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505145_162-57401456/more-us-drilling-didnt-drop-gas-price/?tag=cbsnewsLeadStoriesAreaMain

Presidents have little immediate power over fuel prices

http://www.chron.com/business/article/Presidents-have-little-immediate-power-over-fuel-3378834.php

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Reply #19 posted 06/22/12 2:35pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

And in July 2008 after bush said we would drill more prices dropped and went down to well under $2 a gallon.

I just debunked that, i posted various links from various sources, so get to reading and actually educate yourself on the issue.

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Reply #20 posted 06/22/12 2:46pm

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rudedog said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

And in July 2008 after bush said we would drill more prices dropped and went down to well under $2 a gallon.

I just debunked that, i posted various links from various sources, so get to reading and actually educate yourself on the issue.

you can not debunk it! lol it happened. are you saying that did not happen? that oil prices were not lower at the end of the day July 15th 2008 than they were on July 14th?

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Reply #21 posted 06/22/12 2:56pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

rudedog said:

I just debunked that, i posted various links from various sources, so get to reading and actually educate yourself on the issue.

you can not debunk it! lol it happened. are you saying that did not happen? that oil prices were not lower at the end of the day July 15th 2008 than they were on July 14th?

There are reasons why the price of oil goes up, i've posted why. Read the links.

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Reply #22 posted 06/22/12 2:57pm

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They will devote as much wall to wall coverage on it as when they went up. Fair and balanced. Yeah right. lol

They will spin it as Obama forcing Oil Companies with his socialist fist into lowering prices.

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Reply #23 posted 06/22/12 2:58pm

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rudedog said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you can not debunk it! lol it happened. are you saying that did not happen? that oil prices were not lower at the end of the day July 15th 2008 than they were on July 14th?

There are reasons why the price of oil goes up, i've posted why. Read the links.

but it just happened to be that day?

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Reply #24 posted 06/22/12 3:01pm

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and i never said the call to drill more caused it to happen. and it is a LIE to say I did or I implied as much. I was talking about energy policy difference between bush and obama. obama says drilling more will not help... bush said we should drill more and that day the price dropped and between then and the end of the year the cost of gas was cut in half.

we also have barack trying to take credit for increased drilling but his lie on of omission as that is on private property. federal drilling is lower.

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Reply #25 posted 06/22/12 3:03pm

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rudedog said:

V10LETBLUES said:

They will devote as much wall to wall coverage on it as when they went up. Fair and balanced. Yeah right. lol

They will spin it as Obama forcing Oil Companies with his socialist fist into lowering prices.

he is already trying to. he tells lies of omission that the oil companies make huge profits when 1)the are thin in terms of % of total operating costs and if they made no money a gallon of gas would drop at MOST 25 cents while the government takes 40 cents.

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Reply #26 posted 06/22/12 3:12pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

rudedog said:

There are reasons why the price of oil goes up, i've posted why. Read the links.

but it just happened to be that day?

I figured, you'd rather propagate lies rather read about the truth. Read the links and then we'll discuss this.

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Reply #27 posted 06/22/12 3:15pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

and i never said the call to drill more caused it to happen. and it is a LIE to say I did or I implied as much. I was talking about energy policy difference between bush and obama. obama says drilling more will not help... bush said we should drill more and that day the price dropped and between then and the end of the year the cost of gas was cut in half.

we also have barack trying to take credit for increased drilling but his lie on of omission as that is on private property. federal drilling is lower.

Obama has drilled more, that's the point. Bush drilled less domestically and prices still fluctuated, Obama has drilled more and they are still fluctuating. Speculation and middle east turmoil are two big factors. Read the links

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Reply #28 posted 06/22/12 3:32pm

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rudedog said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and i never said the call to drill more caused it to happen. and it is a LIE to say I did or I implied as much. I was talking about energy policy difference between bush and obama. obama says drilling more will not help... bush said we should drill more and that day the price dropped and between then and the end of the year the cost of gas was cut in half.

we also have barack trying to take credit for increased drilling but his lie on of omission as that is on private property. federal drilling is lower.

Obama has drilled more, that's the point.

that is a LIE. he has not drilled one drop!

Bush drilled less domestically and prices still fluctuated, Obama has drilled more and they are still fluctuating.

you mean more is being drilled now that then? yeah... all due to drilling on private lands that bbama can not do much to shut down,.

Speculation and middle east turmoil are two big factors.

yeah and?

Read the links

no need same info as it was years ago. if you read my post you would see they are about approaches not just results.

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Reply #29 posted 06/22/12 3:33pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

rudedog said:

They will spin it as Obama forcing Oil Companies with his socialist fist into lowering prices.

he is already trying to. he tells lies of omission that the oil companies make huge profits when 1)the are thin in terms of % of total operating costs and if they made no money a gallon of gas would drop at MOST 25 cents while the government takes 40 cents.

Oil companies make HUGE profits. That's PROFITS. That's the amount AFTER operating costs.

"I do not provide links because I do not get my information in that manner."
I have not said all of them never are.
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