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Reply #480 posted 07/12/12 5:47am

Musicslave

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Looks like the prosecutor has some more evidence to release Thursday @ 10 AM:

http://articles.orlandose...ce-release

New evidence Thursday in Trayvon Martin shooting

More evidence in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin is set for public release Thursday morning, prosecutors said Monday.

A recent court filing shows the documents include statements from several new civilian witnesses, reports generated by the FBI and Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Zimmerman's prior calls to police and his application for a concealed weapon permit.

The evidence also includes a sketch of the crime scene, as well as notes and memos from various investigators.

Defense attorney Mark O'Mara received the evidence last month. It will be released to the media 10 a.m. Thursday. George Zimmerman faces a second-degree murder charge in the Feb. 26 shooting. He says he shot the Miami Gardens teen in self-defense.

Meanwhile, the city of Sanford announced Monday afternoon that officials had removed items left as a "curbside memorial" outside Retreat at Twin Lakes, the townhouse community where the 17-year-old was shot.

In a statement, the city said the items were moved "[i]n an effort to protect and preserve the remaining Trayvon Martin curbside memorial items, and after communicating with representatives of Trayvon Martin's family."

The items were relocated to the Sanford Museum, officials said.

This might be interesting....hmmm

http://www.cnn.com/2012/0...?hpt=hp_t2

FBI interviews among evidence to be released in Zimmerman case

(CNN) -- Florida's state attorney is expected to release FBI reports Thursday that may shed light on whether race played a role the night George Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed teen.

The investigative reports are amid evidence in the second-degree murder case expected to be released by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey to Zimmerman's attorney, according to court documents filed in June.

The U.S. Department of Justice took up a civil rights investigation following allegations that race played a part in the killing of Trayvon Martin, 17, in February in a gated community in Sanford.

An official conclusion in the Justice Department's investigation is not expected as part of the evidence release, though details about some of the interviews will be turned over to Zimmerman's attorney.

Martin's family and supporters say Zimmerman racially-profiled the teen, describing him as "suspicious" during a 911 call and ignoring a police dispatcher's request that he not follow him.

The 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer, who is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting, has said he killed Martin in self-defense, saying the teen punched him and slammed his head into a sidewalk before the shooting, according to family members and police.

Trayvon Martin memorial r...preserved

Among the evidence to be released are details about federal interviews with more than 30 people, including key members of the Sanford Police Department and Zimmerman's friends, according to court documents.

Also expected to be released are details about interviews with agents of the Florida Division of Alcoholic Beverages and Tobacco, who arrested Zimmerman in 2005 on suspicion of battery against a law enforcement officer and obstruction of justice.

A timeline of events

The charges against Zimmerman, who was accused of pushing an undercover agent, were later dropped after he entered a pretrial diversion program and completed an anger management class.

Additionally, according to the court filings, details about Zimmerman's MySpace account, surveillance video and e-mails between Zimmerman and ousted Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee will be released as part of the evidence handover.

Zimmerman was released on $1 million bond last week. An initial bond of $150,000 was revoked last month after a judge learned that Zimmerman and his wife failed to disclose more than $150,000 in donations from the public.

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Reply #481 posted 07/12/12 10:37am

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FBI: George Zimmerman Tried to Buy More Guns After Trayvon Shooting

By Adam Martin | The Atlantic Wire1 hr 15 mins ago 12 July 2012

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi...28680.html

George Zimmerman was easygoing with police when they arrived at the scene of Trayvon Martin's shooting, but according to new evidence from the FBI, he afraid for his life in the weeks after the shooting became national news and even tried to buy more guns. The new batch of evidence, which special prosecutor Angela Corey released Thursday, includes findings from the FBI's investigation into whether Zimmerman violated 17-year-old Martin's civil rights. The FBI interviewed gun shop owners, according to The Orlando Sentinel's Jeff Weiner, and Darlene Jones, of WFTV. One shop owner told the FBI Zimmerman had called and said "his life was in danger and he needs more guns." So far, though, it's unclear whether he actually bought them.

The evidence also includes an email exchange between Zimmerman and Sanford police chief Bill Lee, in which Zimmerman "praises the officer he had been working with," Weiner tweeted. The Sentinel's coverage notes that Tim Smith, the first officer on the scene of the shooting, told FBI investigators he found Zimmerman with his back wet and covered in grass stains, bleeding from his nose. That suggests Martin was on top during their fight -- a key piece of evidence in Zimmerman's self-defense claim. Smith quoted Zimmerman saying, "I was yelling for help but no one would help me."

But the new evidence also includes an interview with Trayvon Martin's cousin, who was with him the day he died, and who said it was Martin, not Zimmerman, crying for help. Per the Sentinel: "One of Corey's investigators asked the cousin to identify a voice crying for help in the background of a 911 call. It was "without a doubt 'on a stack of Bibles' " Trayvon's, the cousin said, according to documents."

i'm so in agreement with the embolded part of this article. also, i'm sure Trayvon Martin's cousin would recognize the voice as being Trayvon's. imo he has no reason to lie.

the many times i've listened to the tape of the voice crying for help, without a doubt i can tell you the intonations of the voice do not match the vocal style of GZ. the sound of the voice crying out for help has the residuals left over of the post pre-teen higher pitched tones. that being of a male still in his youth. imo GZ is too old to have those teen intonations in his voice.

(many of you guys know the [what i call] yodelling period you go through during the mid-teen phase. it's where the voice warbels between lower tones and left over younger tones. well the voice sounds here is sounds like a desperate yodellers sound. not the sound of a 28yr old male.)

i remember hearing a young teen aged afican american male person (around 15yrs) yelling for help at a swimming party back in the day. i mean this guy thought he was drowing so he starts yelling help his young voice sounded much like the "help" cries from the 911 tape im-strong-o,

April 2, 2012

Thumbnailaudio link:Trayvon Martin shooting: It's not George Zimmerman crying for help on 911 recording, 2 experts say

Two audio forensics experts believe it is not George Zimmerman yelling for help in background of 911 call

when i listen starting at 1:11 when it gets to 1:18, i hear a sound similiar to "mama help me." now we know many young males call for their mother when in a life altering situation.

i doubt if GZ would be calling for his "mama" at 28yrs, especially in transistional adolenscense tonalities.

@28 years most men are no longer a yodellers when yelling for help.

imo those that do not hear the sound of a teenaged male when listening to the 911 audio tapes are (seemingly) biased and are hearing what they want to hear.

[Edited 7/12/12 20:31pm]

bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #482 posted 07/12/12 12:29pm

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^^ I sure hope those folks who gave donations to support GZ can sleep comfortable knowing they supported the killing of that child. Shame on all of them, and I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes.

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Reply #483 posted 07/12/12 12:58pm

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as to buying more guns... i do not care. I am not sure what happened to the gun he used that night, but where I live the police take the guns used in such shootings into evidence. (But I seem to recall the cops let him keep it. If it was me: i would lose that gun that night. But that is another issue).

Also: if he thinks he is about to lose the right to buy guns buying new ones is understandable.

Also: he was being threatened and he had bounties out on his head so again i see it as understandable.

And not evidence of anything at all. If i was on the jury that would hurt the prosecution's case. (and yes I 'know' I would not be on this jury)

To the voice: on GZ side he did say that night he was screaming for help--Yes I know he would have heard TM's cries as well so it can be argued that he was just thinking quick or said it was him (GZ) not knowing it had been recorded.

For anyone that says it was TM... there will be someone that says it was GZ. For the so called expert: (that I think is not part of the state's team) there will be other experts that will say it was GZ.

In the end they will play the tape for the jury and they will listen with head phones and they will have to decide who they think it was.

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Reply #484 posted 07/12/12 1:27pm

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/...d=16762044

Excerpts below....

Trayvon Martin Shooter George Zimmerman Called Overzealous 'Soft Guy' With a 'Little Hero Complex'

"A Florida investigator told FBI agents weighing possible civil rights violations against the neighborhood watch volunteer who killed teenager Trayvon Martin that he believed George Zimmerman's actions were based on Martin's attire rather than skin color, describing him as "overzealous" but a "soft guy" with a "little hero complex."

Sanford Police Department investigator Chris Serino "believes that when Zimmerman saw Martin in a hoody, Zimmerman took it upon himself to view Martin as acting suspicious," according to documents released today by the State Attorney's Office.

In a statement provided by Zimmerman's ex-fiancée, she told police that Zimmerman hit her in the mouth for chewing gum, and that a few weeks later there was an incident in which Zimmerman refused to leave her house and, she said, lied to police about a scratch he had incurred from the dog, saying that she instead scratched him. The couple were engaged for a year before calling it off.

She noted Zimmerman had aspired to become a police officer and that while he had a temper, she did not consider him to be the kind of person to put himself in harm's way.

The documents also go into detail about an incident in 2005 in Orange County involving Zimmerman and off-duty officers that resulted in his allegedly shoving one of them and displaying "an angry demeanor" even after the officers identified themselves. He was promptly arrested but charges were never filed.

The girlfriend of Martin's father told investigators that this was the first time the teen had stayed at her Sanford home without his dad. Martin's father was attending a convention nearby. On the night of the teen's murder, Martin's father took his girlfriend of 2 ½ years to the dinner.

When they came home, there was no sign of Martin. She told investigators that it was probably the first time the teen had walked to the nearby convenience store."

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Reply #485 posted 07/12/12 1:35pm

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2elijah said:

^^ I sure hope those folks who gave donations to support GZ can sleep comfortable knowing they supported the killing of that child. Shame on all of them, and I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes.

Don't worry, those people will sleep just fine at night knowing that their hero got rid of another no-good thug teenager (in their minds).

Then you got those who will feel some remorse but will justify their support in the ignorance of not knowing all the facts yet.

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Reply #486 posted 07/12/12 1:51pm

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Musicslave said:

2elijah said:

^^ I sure hope those folks who gave donations to support GZ can sleep comfortable knowing they supported the killing of that child. Shame on all of them, and I wouldn't want to be in any of their shoes.

Don't worry, those people will sleep just fine at night knowing that their hero got rid of another no-good thug teenager (in their minds).

Then you got those who will feel some remorse but will justify their support in the ignorance of not knowing all the facts yet.

Or they may think that it is not 2nd degree murder and believe that convicting GZ for that would make it all the more tragic.

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Reply #487 posted 07/12/12 1:52pm

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Is GZ still locked up or did he get out again?

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Reply #488 posted 07/12/12 2:09pm

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Astasheiks said:

Is GZ still locked up or did he get out again?

he is out on a Million Dollar bail.

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Reply #489 posted 07/12/12 3:25pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

as to buying more guns... i do not care. I am not sure what happened to the gun he used that night, but where I live the police take the guns used in such shootings into evidence. (But I seem to recall the cops let him keep it. If it was me: i would lose that gun that night. But that is another issue).

Also: if he thinks he is about to lose the right to buy guns buying new ones is understandable.

Also: he was being threatened and he had bounties out on his head so again i see it as understandable.

And not evidence of anything at all. If i was on the jury that would hurt the prosecution's case. (and yes I 'know' I would not be on this jury)

To the voice: on GZ side he did say that night he was screaming for help--Yes I know he would have heard TM's cries as well so it can be argued that he was just thinking quick or said it was him (GZ) not knowing it had been recorded.

For anyone that says it was TM... there will be someone that says it was GZ. For the so called expert: (that I think is not part of the state's team) there will be other experts that will say it was GZ.

In the end they will play the tape for the jury and they will listen with head phones and they will have to decide who they think it was.

GZ should be in jail in protective custody. the sanford p.d. would be a safe haven for him. ya'll know GZ is on psycho-medication, and needs to be monitered to make sure he's receiving correct dosages.

1. he's scared for his safety

2. he's probably paranoid about anything and everything, i.e., his wife's safety

3. he probably cannot go online without supervision [bored to the max]

4. that ankle bracelet probably is driving him nuts.

5. he's probably living and reliving the shooting (murder) incident/or maybe not - maybe he's deluded himself into thinking he's a hero hiding out. [early signs of megalo]

the man might blow a gasket. at least in jail he could be under psychatric montering. GZ maywell be a loose cannon.

seriously though, the boy should be in lockup for his own safety and peace of mind.

in jail GZ would be safe from vigi-force

[Edited 7/12/12 20:35pm]

bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #490 posted 07/12/12 3:54pm

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All pretty good points. An all seem to lack any legal weight.
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Reply #491 posted 07/12/12 5:24pm

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free2bfreeda said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

as to buying more guns... i do not care. I am not sure what happened to the gun he used that night, but where I live the police take the guns used in such shootings into evidence. (But I seem to recall the cops let him keep it. If it was me: i would lose that gun that night. But that is another issue).

Also: if he thinks he is about to lose the right to buy guns buying new ones is understandable.

Also: he was being threatened and he had bounties out on his head so again i see it as understandable.

And not evidence of anything at all. If i was on the jury that would hurt the prosecution's case. (and yes I 'know' I would not be on this jury)

To the voice: on GZ side he did say that night he was screaming for help--Yes I know he would have heard TM's cries as well so it can be argued that he was just thinking quick or said it was him (GZ) not knowing it had been recorded.

For anyone that says it was TM... there will be someone that says it was GZ. For the so called expert: (that I think is not part of the state's team) there will be other experts that will say it was GZ.

In the end they will play the tape for the jury and they will listen with head phones and they will have to decide who they think it was.

GZ should be in jail in protective custody. the sanford p.d. would be a safe haven for him. ya'll know GZ is on psycho-medication, and needs to be monitered to make sure he's receiving correct dosages.

1. he's scared for his safety

2. he's probably paranoid about anything and everything, i.e., his wife's safety

3. he probably cannot go online without supervision [bored to the max]

4. that ankle bracelet probably is driving him nuts.

5. he's probably living and reliving the shooting (murder) incident/or maybe not - maybe he's deluded himself into thinking he's a hero hiding out. [early signs of megalo]

the man might blow a gasket. at least in jail he could be under psychatric montering. GZ maywell be a loose cannon.

seriously though, the boy should be in lockup for his own safety and peace of mind.

in jail GZ would safe from vigi-force

[Edited 7/12/12 15:26pm

True. And I belive the judged ruled that this time he must stay in Seminole County. I think he went into hiding further away after the first bail-out.

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Reply #492 posted 07/12/12 8:54pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

free2bfreeda said:

seriously though, the boy should be in lockup for his own safety and peace of mind.

in jail GZ would be safe from vigi-force

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True. And I belive the judged ruled that this time he must stay in Seminole County. I think he went into hiding further away after the first bail-out.

yeah the passport scenario and the coded audio performance that judge lester called them on was good fodder for a screen writer.

GZ mrs. GZ

GZ "do we have enough u-no-what in the you know where?" mrs GZ, "uh-hmm and i did not pass on the two port wines you told me save in a special place."

title of story would be: 'hidden cache pass the port to escape ' starring jack black as GZ and tina fay as mrs. GZ

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bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #493 posted 07/12/12 9:01pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Musicslave said:

Don't worry, those people will sleep just fine at night knowing that their hero got rid of another no-good thug teenager (in their minds).

Then you got those who will feel some remorse but will justify their support in the ignorance of not knowing all the facts yet.

Or they may think that it is not 2nd degree murder and believe that convicting GZ for that would make it all the more tragic.

Yeah, he just shot a nigger...nothing to get too upset about

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Reply #494 posted 07/12/12 9:59pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Musicslave said:

Don't worry, those people will sleep just fine at night knowing that their hero got rid of another no-good thug teenager (in their minds).

Then you got those who will feel some remorse but will justify their support in the ignorance of not knowing all the facts yet.

Or they may think that it is not 2nd degree murder and believe that convicting GZ for that would make it all the more tragic.

How would the jury do that? That would be told to find 2nd degree or manslaughter. There are no other options unless he takes the stand.

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Reply #495 posted 07/13/12 6:00am

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It's not surprising that the headline from most media outlets was about GZ not being considered a racist. What's funny about this aspect of the story is that the State never charged him with a hate crime. Essentially, the State never claimed he was racist. They only investigated to see if he was. I think there's a big difference between the two. She/They were smart enough to say that he criminally profiled TM. Det. Serino said that he believed that GZ wrongly profiled TM as suspicious because he had on a hoody. He grilled him in those early interview tapes about not being TRAINED in that area to know what a suspicious person looks like. What a grave, tragic mistake.

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Reply #496 posted 07/13/12 7:03am

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SUPRMAN said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Or they may think that it is not 2nd degree murder and believe that convicting GZ for that would make it all the more tragic.

How would the jury do that? That would be told to find 2nd degree or manslaughter. There are no other options unless he takes the stand.

I think if it is 2nd degree he will take the stand. But I do not think that will be the final charge. And the jury can go rouge.

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Reply #497 posted 07/13/12 7:38am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

SUPRMAN said:

How would the jury do that? That would be told to find 2nd degree or manslaughter. There are no other options unless he takes the stand.

I think if it is 2nd degree he will take the stand. But I do not think that will be the final charge. And the jury can go rouge.

Well he is currently charged with 2nd degree and I don't see that charge changing short of a plea bargain.

Don't you mean rogue? Deliver a verdict against the judge's instructions? They can try, but the court is unlikely to accept that verdict.

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Reply #498 posted 07/13/12 7:50am

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Musicslave said:

It's not surprising that the headline from most media outlets was about GZ not being considered a racist. What's funny about this aspect of the story is that the State never charged him with a hate crime. Essentially, the State never claimed he was racist. They only investigated to see if he was. I think there's a big difference between the two. She/They were smart enough to say that he criminally profiled TM. Det. Serino said that he believed that GZ wrongly profiled TM as suspicious because he had on a hoody. He grilled him in those early interview tapes about not being TRAINED in that area to know what a suspicious person looks like. What a grave, tragic mistake.

why does this bit of information keep getting swept under the rug?

Orlando Sentinel: July 2, 2012

In paperwork released Monday, Assistant State Attorney Bernie de la Rionda did not spell out what witness 9 told authorities, but he described it as information about his "bias against black persons," including an unspecified "act."

The witness is the same woman who filed a domestic violence injunction against Zimmerman in 2005. He filed one against her the following day.

Neither was arrested. Both injunctions were granted.

She told police that Zimmerman is a racist according to court records.

In her first statement, Witness 9 says that she knows Zimmerman, as well as his family:

"I know George, and I know that he does not like black people...He would start something. He's a very confrontational person. It's in his blood. Let's just say that."

She went on to describe Zimmerman and his family as:

"Just mean and open about it, and I don't know what he's capable of, but I do know things that he's done to me that I would never, I would never talk to him about ever again."


Last month in a motion filed by O'Mara it stated that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and "would not be admissible" at trial.

O'Mara went on to argue that the release of Witness 9's statement would:

"Serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

It looks as though Witness 9 may have damaging statements against Zimmerman, which is why O’Mara wants the statement to remain sealed and for her not to testify


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-trayvon-martin-witness-9-girlfriend-bias-against-black-people-details#ixzz20VvMudcF

GZ making racist statements means that he had some racist tendencies and not only spoke out but acted out and upon this biased mindset on more than one occasion.

see the following:

'Lying, manipulating' George Zimmerman 'bullied his colleague with racial comments'

By James Nye

PUBLISHED: 20:37 EST, 27 June 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165784/Trayvon-Martin-case-George-Zimmerman-bullied-colleague-racial-comments.html#ixzz20W3bpYbC

George Zimmerman bullied and aimed racist comments at an Arab-American co-worker, mocking him as a terrorist and making fun of his accent.

That is the claim from Zimmerman's 28-year-old former colleague, who worked together with him at CarMax in Sanford, Florida, in 2008 and alleges remorseless bullying.

Speaking anonymously because of fears of getting his family involved with the furore surrounding the Trayvon Martin case, the former car-salesman labelled Zimmerman a 'manipulator' and a liar with a 'great poker face'


Speaking to ABC News, the man said that upon joining CarMax four years ago, he quickly became recognised as one of the top salesmen at the car retailership, which invoked the jealously of Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time.

Claiming that Zimmerman would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, the unidentified man said that although he does not believe that Zimmerman is racist, he certainly made racially motivated comments towards him.

so doth making racist statements and bullying a victim not make one a racist? i think it does. nod

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bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #499 posted 07/13/12 8:18am

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free2bfreeda said:

Musicslave said:

It's not surprising that the headline from most media outlets was about GZ not being considered a racist. What's funny about this aspect of the story is that the State never charged him with a hate crime. Essentially, the State never claimed he was racist. They only investigated to see if he was. I think there's a big difference between the two. She/They were smart enough to say that he criminally profiled TM. Det. Serino said that he believed that GZ wrongly profiled TM as suspicious because he had on a hoody. He grilled him in those early interview tapes about not being TRAINED in that area to know what a suspicious person looks like. What a grave, tragic mistake.

why does this bit of information keep getting swept under the rug?

Orlando Sentinel: July 2, 2012


Last month in a motion filed by O'Mara it stated that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and "would not be admissible" at trial.

O'Mara went on to argue that the release of Witness 9's statement would:

"Serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

It looks as though Witness 9 may have damaging statements against Zimmerman, which is why O’Mara wants the statement to remain sealed and for her not to testify


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-trayvon-martin-witness-9-girlfriend-bias-against-black-people-details#ixzz20VvMudcF

GZ making racist statements means that he had some racist tendencies and not only spoke out but acted out and upon this biased mindset on more than one occasion.

I know many may think GZ is racist but I think it would be a lot harder to prove based on the evidence released thus far. However, his profiling TM as a criminal without proper training is a lot more probable (to me at least).

Now, with that being said, did Trayvon's attire and color play into GZ calculations that night? More than likely yes.

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Reply #500 posted 07/13/12 8:36am

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free2bfreeda said:

Musicslave said:

It's not surprising that the headline from most media outlets was about GZ not being considered a racist. What's funny about this aspect of the story is that the State never charged him with a hate crime. Essentially, the State never claimed he was racist. They only investigated to see if he was. I think there's a big difference between the two. She/They were smart enough to say that he criminally profiled TM. Det. Serino said that he believed that GZ wrongly profiled TM as suspicious because he had on a hoody. He grilled him in those early interview tapes about not being TRAINED in that area to know what a suspicious person looks like. What a grave, tragic mistake.

why does this bit of information keep getting swept under the rug?

Orlando Sentinel: July 2, 2012


Last month in a motion filed by O'Mara it stated that the not-yet-released second statement "is not relevant" to the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, and "would not be admissible" at trial.

O'Mara went on to argue that the release of Witness 9's statement would:

"Serve to reignite and potentially enhance the widespread public hostility toward Mr. Zimmerman."

It looks as though Witness 9 may have damaging statements against Zimmerman, which is why O’Mara wants the statement to remain sealed and for her not to testify


Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmermans-trayvon-martin-witness-9-girlfriend-bias-against-black-people-details#ixzz20VvMudcF

GZ making racist statements means that he had some racist tendencies and not only spoke out but acted out and upon this biased mindset on more than one occasion.

see the following:

'Lying, manipulating' George Zimmerman 'bullied his colleague with racial comments'

By James Nye

PUBLISHED: 20:37 EST, 27 June 2012
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2165784/Trayvon-Martin-case-George-Zimmerman-bullied-colleague-racial-comments.html#ixzz20W3bpYbC

George Zimmerman bullied and aimed racist comments at an Arab-American co-worker, mocking him as a terrorist and making fun of his accent.

That is the claim from Zimmerman's 28-year-old former colleague, who worked together with him at CarMax in Sanford, Florida, in 2008 and alleges remorseless bullying.

Speaking anonymously because of fears of getting his family involved with the furore surrounding the Trayvon Martin case, the former car-salesman labelled Zimmerman a 'manipulator' and a liar with a 'great poker face'


Speaking to ABC News, the man said that upon joining CarMax four years ago, he quickly became recognised as one of the top salesmen at the car retailership, which invoked the jealously of Zimmerman, who was 24 at the time.

Claiming that Zimmerman would do anything to gain the approval of his colleagues, the unidentified man said that although he does not believe that Zimmerman is racist, he certainly made racially motivated comments towards him.

so doth making racist statements and bullying a victim not make one a racist? i think it does. nod

[Edited 7/13/12 8:19am]

Oh...to answer your question about the media sweeping stuff under the rug....It's not "sexy". Not sensational enough.

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Reply #501 posted 07/13/12 6:31pm

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It's not surprising that the headline from most media outlets was about GZ not being considered a racist. What's funny about this aspect of the story is that the State never charged him with a hate crime. Essentially, the State never claimed he was racist. They only investigated to see if he was. I think there's a big difference between the two. She/They were smart enough to say that he criminally profiled TM. Det. Serino said that he believed that GZ wrongly profiled TM as suspicious because he had on a hoody. He grilled him in those early interview tapes about not being TRAINED in that area to know what a suspicious person looks like. What a grave, tragic mistake.

Exactly.

Like I've said numerous times, I don't care if it was Al Capone, Deputy Dawg had no business going after someone in that manner in the first place.

"Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men"....Demosthenes
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Reply #502 posted 07/14/12 5:57am

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shhhees, this whole GZ (tryna be proven innocent) is turning into a real life mini-reality series. nod

check this out!!!

George Zimmerman Defense Moves to Disqualify Judge

George Zimmerman, accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, filed a motion on Friday to disqualify the judge that will preside over his case, citing his fear that he will not be given a fair trial.

Zimmerman, via his attorney, Mark O'Mara, filed the 17-page document with the Seminole County Circuit Court. The motion is a response to Judge Kenneth Lester's July 5 order that set $1 million bail for Zimmerman and claimed that Zimmerman had "flaunted the system" and practiced "deception upon the court."

It was the second time Lester granted Zimmerman bail. Lester revoked a previous $150,000 bail in April after prosecutors presented evidence that Zimmerman and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available by speaking in code on phone calls. Prosecutors added that Zimmerman initially lied about the existence of a second passport.

O'Mara recently tried to appeal to the judge that Zimmerman was confused and fearful back in March when the alleged deception occurred. In a second bond hearing in June, O'Mara reiterated that Zimmerman had voluntarily turned himself in to the court and now was completely open regarding his financial ability.

Lester, however, in that July 5 bail order, remained skeptical of Zimmerman's motives and expressed irritation at being lied to. He accused Zimmerman of manipulating the court and even suggested that if Zimmerman had the opportunity he would have fled prosecution.

In Friday's motion, O'Mara wrote that Lester's order was indicative of a bias against Zimmerman, saying that the judge's statements were "disingenuous, self-serving manipulations."

"In said order, the court made gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Mr. Zimmerman's character, advocated for Mr. Zimmerman to be prosecuted for additional crimes; offers a personal opinion about the evidence for said prosecution; and continues to hold over Mr. Zimmerman's head the threat of future contempt proceedings," the motion read.

O'Mara asserted that the judge and court "departed from its role as an impartial, objective minister of justice" and should therefore be removed from the case.

The state's attorney's office prosecuting the case said it planned to release a formal statement next week, but "objects to the defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."

Zimmerman is currently out of jail on bail and will remain in a safe house in Seminole County, Fla., until the trial begins.

now what the flock is o'mara thinking? why this? why now? what's the purpose? eek

bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #503 posted 07/14/12 6:11am

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O'Mara has donkey kong balls! Dude wants a new judge. Even after granting another bond (although with stiffer stipulations) he and GZ wants Judge Lester off the bench...... wow!

http://www.reuters.com/ar...5H20120714

Zimmerman seeks new judge in murder trial

(Reuters) - The Florida man charged with second-degree murder in the killing of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin asked for a new judge in his case on Friday, accusing the current judge of bias.

Lawyers for George Zimmerman filed a motion requesting that Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester withdraw from the trial.

Zimmerman alleged in the filing that Lester made "gratuitous" and "disparaging remarks" about him during a July 5 bond hearing and offered "a personal opinion" in the case.

"In doing so, the Court has created a reasonable fear in Mr. Zimmerman that this Court is biased against him and because of this prejudice he cannot receive a fair and impartial trial or hearing by this Court," the motion said.

Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer, was released from jail on $150,000 bail in April. But Lester later revoked his bail after prosecutors accused Zimmerman and his wife of misleading the court about their finances to secure a lower bond.

During the original bond hearing, Zimmerman sat silently as his wife, Shellie, told the court the couple had no money.

But investigators later learned the couple failed to disclose $135,000 they raised from a website created by Zimmerman to collect funds from anonymous donors for his legal defense and his wife was later charged with perjury.

Earlier this month, Lester set Zimmerman's bail at $1 million and issued a scathing decision rejecting arguments by Zimmerman's lawyer that he posed no risk to the community and his portrayal of the case against Zimmerman as weak.

"Under any definition, the defendant has flouted the system," Lester wrote at the time. He said Zimmerman's "stories changed with each retelling."

Lester also said Mark O'Mara, Zimmerman's attorney, attempted to portray Zimmerman as a confused young man who "experienced a moment of weakness" and may have acted out a sense of betrayal by the justice system.

"This court finds the opposite. The defendant has tried to manipulate the system when he has been presented the opportunity to do so," Lester wrote.

O'Mara referred to Lester's words in the motion. "The Court chose language ... to describe the defendant in ways that reflect the Court's opinion of Mr. Zimmerman's character as much as his conduct," he wrote.

"A reason why Mr. Zimmerman feels he cannot get a fair trial is that the Court spent a lot time and a lot of words crafting an order that was harsh and morally indignant in tone," O'Mara continued.

Zimmerman was released from jail last week after posting bail and is currently living in an undisclosed safe house in Seminole County, Florida.

It is the second time Zimmerman and his legal team have requested a new judge.

In April, they asked the judge presiding at the time to step aside because of a possible conflict of interest after revelations that the judge's husband had been contacted by Zimmerman's family as part of their search for a defense attorney.

The request was granted and Lester was appointed to serve as the judge in the case.

Zimmerman claims self-defense in the February 26 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin in a gated community in the central Florida city of Sanford.

Martin's killing drew national attention because police initially declined to arrest Zimmerman, citing Florida's "Stand Your Ground" self-defense law and his assertion that he used deadly force because he feared his life was in danger.

In a another development on Friday, Lester ordered the release of recorded telephone calls made by Zimmerman while he was in jail, denying a motion by his lawyer.

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Reply #504 posted 07/14/12 6:18am

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free2bfreeda said:

shhhees, this whole GZ (tryna be proven innocent) is turning into a real life mini-reality series. nod

check this out!!!

George Zimmerman Defense Moves to Disqualify Judge

George Zimmerman, accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, filed a motion on Friday to disqualify the judge that will preside over his case, citing his fear that he will not be given a fair trial.

Zimmerman, via his attorney, Mark O'Mara, filed the 17-page document with the Seminole County Circuit Court. The motion is a response to Judge Kenneth Lester's July 5 order that set $1 million bail for Zimmerman and claimed that Zimmerman had "flaunted the system" and practiced "deception upon the court."

It was the second time Lester granted Zimmerman bail. Lester revoked a previous $150,000 bail in April after prosecutors presented evidence that Zimmerman and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available by speaking in code on phone calls. Prosecutors added that Zimmerman initially lied about the existence of a second passport.

O'Mara recently tried to appeal to the judge that Zimmerman was confused and fearful back in March when the alleged deception occurred. In a second bond hearing in June, O'Mara reiterated that Zimmerman had voluntarily turned himself in to the court and now was completely open regarding his financial ability.

Lester, however, in that July 5 bail order, remained skeptical of Zimmerman's motives and expressed irritation at being lied to. He accused Zimmerman of manipulating the court and even suggested that if Zimmerman had the opportunity he would have fled prosecution.

In Friday's motion, O'Mara wrote that Lester's order was indicative of a bias against Zimmerman, saying that the judge's statements were "disingenuous, self-serving manipulations."

"In said order, the court made gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Mr. Zimmerman's character, advocated for Mr. Zimmerman to be prosecuted for additional crimes; offers a personal opinion about the evidence for said prosecution; and continues to hold over Mr. Zimmerman's head the threat of future contempt proceedings," the motion read.

O'Mara asserted that the judge and court "departed from its role as an impartial, objective minister of justice" and should therefore be removed from the case.

The state's attorney's office prosecuting the case said it planned to release a formal statement next week, but "objects to the defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."

Zimmerman is currently out of jail on bail and will remain in a safe house in Seminole County, Fla., until the trial begins.

now what the flock is o'mara thinking? why this? why now? what's the purpose? eek

My bad free, didn't realize you already posted this....Like I said in my post, O'Mara got balls!

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Reply #505 posted 07/14/12 7:04am

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free2bfreeda said:

shhhees, this whole GZ (tryna be proven innocent) is turning into a real life mini-reality series. nod

check this out!!!

George Zimmerman Defense Moves to Disqualify Judge

I think the defence has a pretty good chance of getting a new judge--but it may take several attempts.

I would not be too surprised if they filed this motion, got denied and then agreed under protest. Then if there was a guilty verdict. New Trial.

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Reply #506 posted 07/14/12 7:06am

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Musicslave said:

My bad free, didn't realize you already posted this....Like I said in my post, O'Mara got balls!

So you posted it a 3rd time razz

It would malpractice if O'Mara did not file this motion.

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Reply #507 posted 07/14/12 8:42am

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now i'm wondering how the office of special prosecutor Angela Corey's is going to handle o'mara's complaint of judge lester?

corey Tra...<<i'm thinking angela corey won't be intimidated and will choose to override o'mara's complaints

A spokesperson for State Attorney Angela Corey's office said in an email to media that it would file its own response to the recusal motion next week, and added that "the State objects to the Defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."

judge ken...i'm feeling judge lester will not be removed

Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O'Mara said in the judge-recusal filing that remarks by Seminole County Circuit Court Judge Kenneth Lester “created a reasonable fear in Mr. Zimmerman that this court is biased against him” and Zimmerman “cannot get a fair trial."

O’Mara took issue with Lester saying in a July 5 order setting Zimmerman’s bail at $1 million that the defendant had “flouted the system” by failing to disclose at his first bond hearing in April that he had raised money from donations for his legal defense.

In granting the $1 million bail earlier this month, Lester said that evidence indicated Zimmerman, 28, was preparing to flee to avoid prosecution based on the money raised online, and his possession of second passport that he had failed to disclose to the court.

O’Mara’s motion argued the comment showed bias.

link to quotes: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.c...-case?lite

bickering over who's right or who is wrong is an infantile game at best. point being when u bicker u only do ur enemy's work 4 him.
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Reply #508 posted 07/15/12 10:49am

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free2bfreeda said:

shhhees, this whole GZ (tryna be proven innocent) is turning into a real life mini-reality series. nod

check this out!!!

George Zimmerman Defense Moves to Disqualify Judge

George Zimmerman, accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, filed a motion on Friday to disqualify the judge that will preside over his case, citing his fear that he will not be given a fair trial.

Zimmerman, via his attorney, Mark O'Mara, filed the 17-page document with the Seminole County Circuit Court. The motion is a response to Judge Kenneth Lester's July 5 order that set $1 million bail for Zimmerman and claimed that Zimmerman had "flaunted the system" and practiced "deception upon the court."

It was the second time Lester granted Zimmerman bail. Lester revoked a previous $150,000 bail in April after prosecutors presented evidence that Zimmerman and his wife misled the court about how much money they had available by speaking in code on phone calls. Prosecutors added that Zimmerman initially lied about the existence of a second passport.

O'Mara recently tried to appeal to the judge that Zimmerman was confused and fearful back in March when the alleged deception occurred. In a second bond hearing in June, O'Mara reiterated that Zimmerman had voluntarily turned himself in to the court and now was completely open regarding his financial ability.

Lester, however, in that July 5 bail order, remained skeptical of Zimmerman's motives and expressed irritation at being lied to. He accused Zimmerman of manipulating the court and even suggested that if Zimmerman had the opportunity he would have fled prosecution.

In Friday's motion, O'Mara wrote that Lester's order was indicative of a bias against Zimmerman, saying that the judge's statements were "disingenuous, self-serving manipulations."

"In said order, the court made gratuitous, disparaging remarks about Mr. Zimmerman's character, advocated for Mr. Zimmerman to be prosecuted for additional crimes; offers a personal opinion about the evidence for said prosecution; and continues to hold over Mr. Zimmerman's head the threat of future contempt proceedings," the motion read.

O'Mara asserted that the judge and court "departed from its role as an impartial, objective minister of justice" and should therefore be removed from the case.

The state's attorney's office prosecuting the case said it planned to release a formal statement next week, but "objects to the defendant trying to disqualify Judge Lester."

Zimmerman is currently out of jail on bail and will remain in a safe house in Seminole County, Fla., until the trial begins.

now what the flock is o'mara thinking? why this? why now? what's the purpose? eek

1. Because he can.

2. The law allows the challenge.

3. Attempt to 'taint' the comments of Judge Lester.

Even if the Judge is removed, the judge's comments remain part of the record of the case. The new judge will see the same evidence and comments. As a practical matter, it does nothing except please those who think Judge Lester should not have any opinion as a judge.

Judges, including those of the SCOTUS share opinions in their rulings. Nothing unprofessional, but in California, the law allows one free challenge. So he can use it or lose it and he's using it.

Won't help his client though.

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Reply #509 posted 07/15/12 10:53am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

free2bfreeda said:

shhhees, this whole GZ (tryna be proven innocent) is turning into a real life mini-reality series. nod

check this out!!!

George Zimmerman Defense Moves to Disqualify Judge

I think the defence has a pretty good chance of getting a new judge--but it may take several attempts.

I would not be too surprised if they filed this motion, got denied and then agreed under protest. Then if there was a guilty verdict. New Trial.

You do not get a new trial simply because a motion for a new judge is denied.

You don't agree under protest either. If the motion is denied, it is denied. You are not proceeding under protest, nor can you represent that you are. How would that work for every motion in a legal proceeding? All this is, is another motion. Same as any other. You ask and see if the court says yes or no. Being told no, is not in itself a grounds for appeal.

It shouldn't take several attempts. You don't get to keep asking for a new judge because you don't like the one assigned. What's he looking for, a judge that sees things his way?

They will get a new judge but it changes nothing in the record. They can't exclude the second bail hearing because that was the 'old' judge for instance.

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