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North Carolina bans same-sex marriage

North Carolina OKs constitutional same-sex marriage ban

North Carolina voters Tuesday approved a proposed amendment to the state’s constitution which would limit marriage to traditional one man-one woman marriages.

The amendment says: “Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State.” In effect, it would bar the state from giving legal recognition to civil unions between same-sex couples.

Gerry Broome / AP

Signs in support of and against the Constitutional Marriage Amendment greet voters May 8 at a polling location at Leesville Road Middle School in Raleigh, N.C.

Under North Carolina law, same-sex marriages are already banned.

And opponents of the constitutional amendment did not make the argument that defeating it was a prelude to changing the law so that same-sex couples could legally marry in North Carolina.

“This is not a conversation about a possible change of law down the road,” said Paul Guequierre, a spokesperson for the Coalition to Protect All North Carolina Families, the main group rallying opposition to the amendment, on Monday.

By approving the amendment, North Carolina joins 28 other states that have state constitutional provisions limit marriage to man-woman unions.

On Monday Peter Sprigg, the senior fellow for policy studies at the conservative Family Research Council in Washington said, “Marriage remains an essential social institution which unites men and women to provide for the reproduction of the human race and to provide mothers and fathers for children. We trust that the voters of North Carolina will recognize and protect this vital public purpose of marriage."

But President Barack Obama had opposed the amendment. "While the president does not weigh in on every single ballot measure in every state, the record is clear that the President has long opposed divisive and discriminatory efforts to deny rights and benefits to same sex couples," Cameron French, Obama's North Carolina campaign spokesman, said in March.

A Gallup Poll released Tuesday showed the American people split on the same-sex marriage question: 50 percent think marriages between same-sex couples should be recognized by the law as valid, but 48 percent think they should not be recognized as legal. Among Democrats, 65 percent say same-sex marriages should be recognized by the law as valid, but among only about one in five Republicans hold that view. Among independents, 57 percent think sex marriages should be legally recognized.

Thirty-eight states have prohibitions of same-sex marriage in their laws. Six states and the District of Columbia allow same-sex marriages.

http://nbcpolitics.msnbc....e-ban?lite

disbelief I thought I moved to North Carolina to escape this kind of bigotry. Ashame the entire state isn't like the area I live in. I never really thought about the majority of the state. Horrible, just horrible. Bisexual here btw.

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Reply #1 posted 05/08/12 7:17pm

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America needs to stop forever flip flopping on this issue.

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Reply #2 posted 05/09/12 4:22am

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smoothcriminal12 said:

America needs to stop forever flip flopping on this issue.

America is the new Middle East.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

America needs to stop forever flip flopping on this issue.

America is a place of 50 states, every state has it's own culture

Now where I come from
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Cloudbuster said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

America needs to stop forever flip flopping on this issue.

America is the new Middle East.

How's that?

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OldFriends4Sale said:

How's that?

Rampant homophobia.

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Cloudbuster said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How's that?

Rampant homophobia.

That's not new to America, at least in America there are some states that do allow, so that's progress
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Reply #7 posted 05/09/12 11:46am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Cloudbuster said:

Rampant homophobia.

That's not new to America, at least in America there are some states that do allow, so that's progress

It's not new in America but what exists in America certainly ain't as old as the homophobia

that exists in the Middle East, which is the birthplace of Western homophobia.

Homosexual love deserves the opportunity for marital expression just as much as heterosexual

love does.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

America needs to stop forever flip flopping on this issue.

America is a place of 50 states, every state has it's own culture

Is that supposed to be an excuse? lol

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Reply #9 posted 05/09/12 12:05pm

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In Jesus name.

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Reply #10 posted 05/09/12 2:06pm

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NC can have their fuckin word Marriage. Fuck them. But to deny civil unions as well? That's pure hatred..

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Hey, it's the South. They can look down their noses at places like Mississippi but their vote shows that they equally as stupid.

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runphilrun said:

NC can have their fuckin word Marriage. Fuck them. But to deny civil unions as well? That's pure hatred..

It sure is.

Andy is a four letter word.
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We will holds our head in shame over this in 50 years.

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vainandy said:

runphilrun said:

NC can have their fuckin word Marriage. Fuck them. But to deny civil unions as well? That's pure hatred..

It sure is.

nod And this goes for hetero couples as well. WTF?

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Reply #15 posted 05/10/12 3:59pm

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smoothcriminal12 said:

We will holds our head in shame over this in 50 years.

collectively, yes. but the people who are against it now will be lying to people about how progressive they were back when

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cborgman said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

We will holds our head in shame over this in 50 years.

collectively, yes. but the people who are against it now will be lying to people about how progressive they were back when

Not necessarily. My grandma still talks about how much she hates black people and even still has a copy of Little Black Sambo. And it's not just her either. Many will lie about their beliefs, many won't.

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Reply #17 posted 05/10/12 5:55pm

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Another group of Anti Christs!

What next, running their front man for an assination?

Yes, our rights be subjected by those with not a thought of the phrase, "We the People"

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smoothcriminal12 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

America is a place of 50 states, every state has it's own culture

Is that supposed to be an excuse? lol

Follow the conversation.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Is that supposed to be an excuse? lol

Follow the conversation.

Well you were responding to my post and there weren't many posts when you had responded...so there was no conversation to follow. confused

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smoothcriminal12 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Follow the conversation.

Well you were responding to my post and there weren't many posts when you had responded...so there was no conversation to follow. confused

right

the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

It's not America flip flopping

My 1st response should have cleared that up.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

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OldFriends4Sale said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Well you were responding to my post and there weren't many posts when you had responded...so there was no conversation to follow. confused

right

the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

It's not America flip flopping

My 1st response should have cleared that up.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

You have a point, but eventually it gets to the point where it is more than just "culture" and is a nationwide issue.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

right

the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

It's not America flip flopping

My 1st response should have cleared that up.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

You have a point, but eventually it gets to the point where it is more than just "culture" and is a nationwide issue.

I didn't say culture, I'm talking about Laws from state to state, each states laws are different concerning certain issues like this

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OldFriends4Sale said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You have a point, but eventually it gets to the point where it is more than just "culture" and is a nationwide issue.

I didn't say culture, I'm talking about Laws from state to state, each states laws are different concerning certain issues like this

Um...

America is a place of 50 states, every state has it's own culture

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Um...

smoothcriminal12 said:

America is a place of 50 states, every state has it's own culture

Yeah but in the prior post I explained further by saying laws. Are you saying you didn't read that. This was my 2nd response that was more explained. So why did you go back to a quick earlier response. Did I say culture in the the last posts? Didn't I explain things quickly about LAWs in different states.

Yes every state does have it's own culture, that culture a lot of times determines laws and how people vote, and what goes on the books.

OF4S: the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

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the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

Now where I come from
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Our clothes, our hair, we don't care
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OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah but in the prior post I explained further by saying laws. Are you saying you didn't read that. This was my 2nd response that was more explained. So why did you go back to a quick earlier response. Did I say culture in the the last posts? Didn't I explain things quickly about LAWs in different states.

Yes every state does have it's own culture, that culture a lot of times determines laws and how people vote, and what goes on the books.

OF4S: the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

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right

the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

Regardless of whether or not you clarified yourself, you said you didn't say culture, and I corrected that. Simple.

And once again, I say that there comes a time when a certain issue becomes more than just "culture" and becomes a nationwide issue, especially when it deals with civil rights and equality. Gay marriage is one of those issues. Yes, states do form laws and culture has a significant effect on those laws - but I believe gay marriage has become more than that and is now an issue that the nation needs to resolve head on.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah but in the prior post I explained further by saying laws. Are you saying you didn't read that. This was my 2nd response that was more explained. So why did you go back to a quick earlier response. Did I say culture in the the last posts? Didn't I explain things quickly about LAWs in different states.

Yes every state does have it's own culture, that culture a lot of times determines laws and how people vote, and what goes on the books.

OF4S: the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

Post #20

right

the response was to AMERICA needs to... when every state has it's own laws on the book.

Laws about Guns Abortion, Same Sex Marriage etc etc are different according to the state

Regardless of whether or not you clarified yourself, you said you didn't say culture, and I corrected that. Simple.

And once again, I say that there comes a time when a certain issue becomes more than just "culture" and becomes a nationwide issue, especially when it deals with civil rights and equality. Gay marriage is one of those issues. Yes, states do form laws and culture has a significant effect on those laws - but I believe gay marriage has become more than that and is now an issue that the nation needs to resolve head on.

I agree, but that's not going to happen anytime soon

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Reply #27 posted 05/11/12 4:53pm

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In Jesus name.

For God's heaven's sake

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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imago said:

In Jesus name.

God is love. wink

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Cloudbuster said:

imago said:

In Jesus name.

God is love. wink

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