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Reply #150 posted 05/04/12 5:34am

Musicslave

jjhunsecker said:

SUPRMAN said:

Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.

Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)

Gee, you've learned a lot! lol lol lol

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Reply #151 posted 05/04/12 8:07am

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SUPRMAN said:

Musicslave said:

Looks like O'Mara is threatening to use TM's social media postings if the State chooses to use GZ's.

Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.

I still think it would be more damaging and reek desperation for the defense to go there with TM's postings. I mean, you're going to smear a dead, defenseless, teenager? For some reason, I don't think that will sit well with most people, jury included.

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Reply #152 posted 05/04/12 11:57am

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http://articles.orlandose...department

George Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin circled his SUV, source says

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman's gun, and the two struggled over it.

Those portions of Zimmerman's account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hasn't yet seen his client's statements to police, and it would be inappropriate for him to address specific evidence in the case.

"It's hard for me to even comment on it," O'Mara said.

Sanford Spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern said the police department "cannot make any comments on anything related to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case."

Reached in Birmingham, Ala., Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Thursday that Zimmerman's claim that he was screaming in the 911 call and that his mouth was covered by the teen don't add up.

"[Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin told me that that's what [police] told him," Crump said, of Zimmerman making those statements to police.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Crump said. "We have to put together this puzzle because, unfortunately, we don't have Trayvon Martin's version" of events.

A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey declined to comment.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon in a Sanford gated community on Feb. 26. Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Critics say he is guilty of racial profiling and killing an innocent teenager.

In an audio recording of Zimmerman's call to police that night, Zimmerman says Trayvon is acting suspiciously and describes him as a black teenager when prompted by the dispatcher.

He does not say that Trayvon was circling his vehicle, but that's what he told police later that night and has consistently told authorities in subsequent interviews, according to the Sentinel's source.

Here, according to that source, is the sequence that Zimmerman provided:

Zimmerman spotted Trayvon, called a nonemergency police number and began describing the teenager. While he was doing that, Trayvon came toward his vehicle and began to circle it.

Zimmerman, though, never described that to the dispatcher.

At one point, about halfway through the four-minute call, he told the dispatcher, "Now he's just staring at me. … Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. … He's coming to check me out."

Trayvon then disappeared, Zimmerman later told authorities, according to the source, and while Zimmerman was still on the phone, he parked his vehicle, got out and began trying to find Trayvon on foot.

Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing on the call to police.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

Zimmerman later told investigators he could not find Trayvon, so he turned and was walking back toward his SUV. A short time later, Trayvon approached him from the rear, and the two exchanged words, he told authorities.

Trayvon threw the first punch, he told police. It knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and the teenager then got on top of Zimmerman and began beating his head against a sidewalk, police have said in recounting Zimmerman's version of events.

At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.

Gilbreath did not testify that Zimmerman claimed the circling happened while he was on the phone with the dispatcher.

Gilbreath also testified briefly about Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight.

Several audio experts who have analyzed the 911 tapes for the Sentinel and other news outlets have said they believe it is Trayvon's voice — not Zimmerman's — crying out for help. However, Gilbreath testified that similar identification attempts by law enforcement were fruitless.

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5151.

Copyright © 2012, Orlando Sentinel

[Edited 5/4/12 12:07pm]

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Reply #153 posted 05/04/12 1:07pm

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Musicslave said:

http://articles.orlandose...department

George Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin circled his SUV, source says

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman's gun, and the two struggled over it.

Those portions of Zimmerman's account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hasn't yet seen his client's statements to police, and it would be inappropriate for him to address specific evidence in the case.

"It's hard for me to even comment on it," O'Mara said.

Sanford Spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern said the police department "cannot make any comments on anything related to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case."

Reached in Birmingham, Ala., Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Thursday that Zimmerman's claim that he was screaming in the 911 call and that his mouth was covered by the teen don't add up.

"[Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin told me that that's what [police] told him," Crump said, of Zimmerman making those statements to police.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Crump said. "We have to put together this puzzle because, unfortunately, we don't have Trayvon Martin's version" of events.

A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey declined to comment.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon in a Sanford gated community on Feb. 26. Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Critics say he is guilty of racial profiling and killing an innocent teenager.

In an audio recording of Zimmerman's call to police that night, Zimmerman says Trayvon is acting suspiciously and describes him as a black teenager when prompted by the dispatcher.

He does not say that Trayvon was circling his vehicle, but that's what he told police later that night and has consistently told authorities in subsequent interviews, according to the Sentinel's source.

Here, according to that source, is the sequence that Zimmerman provided:

Zimmerman spotted Trayvon, called a nonemergency police number and began describing the teenager. While he was doing that, Trayvon came toward his vehicle and began to circle it.

Zimmerman, though, never described that to the dispatcher.

At one point, about halfway through the four-minute call, he told the dispatcher, "Now he's just staring at me. … Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. … He's coming to check me out."

Trayvon then disappeared, Zimmerman later told authorities, according to the source, and while Zimmerman was still on the phone, he parked his vehicle, got out and began trying to find Trayvon on foot.

Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing on the call to police.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

Zimmerman later told investigators he could not find Trayvon, so he turned and was walking back toward his SUV. A short time later, Trayvon approached him from the rear, and the two exchanged words, he told authorities.

Trayvon threw the first punch, he told police. It knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and the teenager then got on top of Zimmerman and began beating his head against a sidewalk, police have said in recounting Zimmerman's version of events.

At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.

Gilbreath did not testify that Zimmerman claimed the circling happened while he was on the phone with the dispatcher.

Gilbreath also testified briefly about Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight.

Several audio experts who have analyzed the 911 tapes for the Sentinel and other news outlets have said they believe it is Trayvon's voice — not Zimmerman's — crying out for help. However, Gilbreath testified that similar identification attempts by law enforcement were fruitless.

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5151.

Copyright © 2012, Orlando Sentinel

[Edited 5/4/12 12:07pm]

sources familiar with the investigation said!!

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Reply #154 posted 05/04/12 1:33pm

Musicslave

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Musicslave said:

http://articles.orlandose...department

George Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin circled his SUV, source says

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman's gun, and the two struggled over it.

Those portions of Zimmerman's account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hasn't yet seen his client's statements to police, and it would be inappropriate for him to address specific evidence in the case.

"It's hard for me to even comment on it," O'Mara said.

Sanford Spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern said the police department "cannot make any comments on anything related to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case."

Reached in Birmingham, Ala., Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Thursday that Zimmerman's claim that he was screaming in the 911 call and that his mouth was covered by the teen don't add up.

"[Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin told me that that's what [police] told him," Crump said, of Zimmerman making those statements to police.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Crump said. "We have to put together this puzzle because, unfortunately, we don't have Trayvon Martin's version" of events.

A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey declined to comment.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon in a Sanford gated community on Feb. 26. Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Critics say he is guilty of racial profiling and killing an innocent teenager.

In an audio recording of Zimmerman's call to police that night, Zimmerman says Trayvon is acting suspiciously and describes him as a black teenager when prompted by the dispatcher.

He does not say that Trayvon was circling his vehicle, but that's what he told police later that night and has consistently told authorities in subsequent interviews, according to the Sentinel's source.

Here, according to that source, is the sequence that Zimmerman provided:

Zimmerman spotted Trayvon, called a nonemergency police number and began describing the teenager. While he was doing that, Trayvon came toward his vehicle and began to circle it.

Zimmerman, though, never described that to the dispatcher.

At one point, about halfway through the four-minute call, he told the dispatcher, "Now he's just staring at me. … Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. … He's coming to check me out."

Trayvon then disappeared, Zimmerman later told authorities, according to the source, and while Zimmerman was still on the phone, he parked his vehicle, got out and began trying to find Trayvon on foot.

Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing on the call to police.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

Zimmerman later told investigators he could not find Trayvon, so he turned and was walking back toward his SUV. A short time later, Trayvon approached him from the rear, and the two exchanged words, he told authorities.

Trayvon threw the first punch, he told police. It knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and the teenager then got on top of Zimmerman and began beating his head against a sidewalk, police have said in recounting Zimmerman's version of events.

At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.

Gilbreath did not testify that Zimmerman claimed the circling happened while he was on the phone with the dispatcher.

Gilbreath also testified briefly about Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight.

Several audio experts who have analyzed the 911 tapes for the Sentinel and other news outlets have said they believe it is Trayvon's voice — not Zimmerman's — crying out for help. However, Gilbreath testified that similar identification attempts by law enforcement were fruitless.

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5151.

Copyright © 2012, Orlando Sentinel

[Edited 5/4/12 12:07pm]

sources familiar with the investigation said!!

I know. There's like a million different sources by now. lol

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Reply #155 posted 05/04/12 1:40pm

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Musicslave said:

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George Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin circled his SUV, source says

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman's gun, and the two struggled over it.

Those portions of Zimmerman's account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hasn't yet seen his client's statements to police, and it would be inappropriate for him to address specific evidence in the case.

"It's hard for me to even comment on it," O'Mara said.

Sanford Spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern said the police department "cannot make any comments on anything related to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case."

Reached in Birmingham, Ala., Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Thursday that Zimmerman's claim that he was screaming in the 911 call and that his mouth was covered by the teen don't add up.

"[Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin told me that that's what [police] told him," Crump said, of Zimmerman making those statements to police.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Crump said. "We have to put together this puzzle because, unfortunately, we don't have Trayvon Martin's version" of events.

A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey declined to comment.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon in a Sanford gated community on Feb. 26. Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Critics say he is guilty of racial profiling and killing an innocent teenager.

In an audio recording of Zimmerman's call to police that night, Zimmerman says Trayvon is acting suspiciously and describes him as a black teenager when prompted by the dispatcher.

He does not say that Trayvon was circling his vehicle, but that's what he told police later that night and has consistently told authorities in subsequent interviews, according to the Sentinel's source.

Here, according to that source, is the sequence that Zimmerman provided:

Zimmerman spotted Trayvon, called a nonemergency police number and began describing the teenager. While he was doing that, Trayvon came toward his vehicle and began to circle it.

Zimmerman, though, never described that to the dispatcher.

At one point, about halfway through the four-minute call, he told the dispatcher, "Now he's just staring at me. … Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. … He's coming to check me out."

Trayvon then disappeared, Zimmerman later told authorities, according to the source, and while Zimmerman was still on the phone, he parked his vehicle, got out and began trying to find Trayvon on foot.

Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing on the call to police.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

Zimmerman later told investigators he could not find Trayvon, so he turned and was walking back toward his SUV. A short time later, Trayvon approached him from the rear, and the two exchanged words, he told authorities.

Trayvon threw the first punch, he told police. It knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and the teenager then got on top of Zimmerman and began beating his head against a sidewalk, police have said in recounting Zimmerman's version of events.

At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.

Gilbreath did not testify that Zimmerman claimed the circling happened while he was on the phone with the dispatcher.

Gilbreath also testified briefly about Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight.

Several audio experts who have analyzed the 911 tapes for the Sentinel and other news outlets have said they believe it is Trayvon's voice — not Zimmerman's — crying out for help. However, Gilbreath testified that similar identification attempts by law enforcement were fruitless.

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5151.

Copyright © 2012, Orlando Sentinel

[Edited 5/4/12 12:07pm]

The Orlando Sentinal's 'slant' on this story has been apparent for some time. I would not go so far as to call the story irresponsible, but it does show bias by insinuating that GZ is a liar.

I find absolutely no discrepancies between what GZ said (that Trayvon circled) and what he told dispatch. He clearly told the dispatcher that Trayvon was coming up to 'check him out'. That he did not describe that in detail is typical of most men I know. He may not have been all that worried, at least initially. "Checking me out" pretty much covers it. After TM disappeared into the darkness, he may have thought, WTH, who the fuck does this kid think he is? And then got out to look for him. I know that is what I would do if some 'punk' (or someone I perceived as such) appeared to be trying to intimidate me.

Further, why does it not occur to any of the 'sources' (or the author of this article, for that matter) that TM's hand covered GZ's mouth during SOME of the struggle and that, therefore, for a portion of the time GZ was able to scream? And did so? I just don't see what the big deal is here.

O'Mara will make mincemeat of this nonsense.

The prosecutors need to come up with more substantial proof of GZ's deviousness before I will believe they have a good case for manslaughter in the second degree. This just doesn't cut it. We shall see. I wasn't at all impressed with the lead investigator for the prosecution who took the stand at the bond hearing. I'll leave it at that.

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Reply #156 posted 05/04/12 1:45pm

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How can anyone corroborate that Trayvon reached for GZ's gun? It was dark! The only eyewitness who saw the last minute or seconds of the physical struggle (saw TM on top, beating GZ), went upstairs to call 911, and while he was upstairs, GZ shot TM. There WERE no eyewitnesses to most of the struggle, that I know of. Nor to the moment when GZ pulled the trigger.

Many portions of what GZ says will not be corroborated by evidence. There isn't any. That's a given.

Maybe I gave the prosecutor's office waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too much credit. I'm beginning to think I did just that. Jesus.

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Reply #157 posted 05/04/12 1:52pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.

I still think it would be more damaging and reek desperation for the defense to go there with TM's postings. I mean, you're going to smear a dead, defenseless, teenager? For some reason, I don't think that will sit well with most people, jury included.

The only way O'Mara will use TM's social media accounts is if he is pushed into a corner AND if the content is legally relevant. He has already made repeated statements that he does not plan to talk smack about the victim or the family. Crump will be opening up a can of worms if he tries intro GZ's myspace statements into evidence. That could backfire.

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Reply #158 posted 05/04/12 3:04pm

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SUPRMAN said:

Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.

Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)

Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.

I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.

I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen

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Reply #159 posted 05/04/12 5:28pm

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Musicslave said:

Looks like O'Mara is threatening to use TM's social media postings if the State chooses to use GZ's.

Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.

Yeah, cuz I had to spellout "profiling" even if it was Zmanns own ethnicity. I guess it was tougher to figure out when it is ones own ethnicity. P R O F I L I N G. Zmann was profiling his own ethnicity on myspace but some could not see the wood from the trees. Guess he was profiling the wrong "type" of person?

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Reply #160 posted 05/04/12 6:34pm

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NiceNBreezy said:



jjhunsecker said:




SUPRMAN said:



Well it's already been made known here in the Org that Trayvon's are "character revealing" whereas GZ's should be dismissed as void of anything useful in portraying GZ.




Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)




Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.



I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.



I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.



http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen


So I suppose I should feel justified in thinking that every white man I see with a shaved head, whit rebirth and blue jeans is gonna stab a Jew and set a cross on fire in my front lawn? I suppose that is as likely as every black man in a hoodie is going to rob you....which isn't likely at all.
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Reply #161 posted 05/04/12 6:53pm

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I never see this discussed... but Trayvon was only 17 years old. Anything he did before that night was in line with what a teenager does - facebook, twitter, saying dumb teenage things blah blah - all typical for someone his age. He was not worldy, he was a kid. Full of hormones and male bravado.

Zimmerman, on the other hand, is an adult. He has an arrest record that stemmed from violent actions. He carried a gun and saw himself as a protector of his neighborhood.

Which one of these two people should KNOW BETTER when finding themselves in the situation which ended Trayvon's life? GZ could have calmly told the kid he was watching the neighborhood - introduced himself, whatever... but somehow it got hostile fast and ended in a fight that ultimately ended a 17 year old's life.

Also... it keeps crossing my mind that Zimmerman might be a coward and a weakling. He could not fight back - he had to grab his gun, shoot and kill. And it seems in whatever "violent" situation he's ever been in, the other person always started it first. Zimmerman always seems to be the victim.

I am not sure how this case will pan out yet, I am waiting for all the facts to be presented - just sharing some thoughts about it.

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Reply #162 posted 05/04/12 6:59pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

I never see this discussed... but Trayvon was only 17 years old. Anything he did before that night was in line with what a teenager does - facebook, twitter, saying dumb teenage things blah blah - all typical for someone his age. He was not worldy, he was a kid. Full of hormones and male bravado.



Zimmerman, on the other hand, is an adult. He has an arrest record that stemmed from violent actions. He carried a gun and saw himself as a protector of his neighborhood.



Which one of these two people should KNOW BETTER when finding themselves in the situation which ended Trayvon's life? GZ could have calmly told the kid he was watching the neighborhood - introduced himself, whatever... but somehow it got hostile fast and ended in a fight that ultimately ended a 17 year old's life.



Also... it keeps crossing my mind that Zimmerman might be a coward and a weakling. He could not fight back - he had to grab his gun, shoot and kill. And it seems in whatever "violent" situation he's ever been in, the other person always started it first. Zimmerman always seems to be the victim.



I am not sure how this case will pan out yet, I am waiting for all the facts to be presented - just sharing some thoughts about it.





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Reply #163 posted 05/04/12 6:59pm

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Musicslave said:

http://articles.orlandose...department

George Zimmerman told police that Trayvon Martin circled his SUV, source says

George Zimmerman told investigators that while he was on the phone with a Sanford police dispatcher reporting Trayvon Martin as suspicious, the teenager was circling his vehicle on foot, a source familiar with the investigation told the Orlando Sentinel.

The source said Zimmerman's account of events hasn't changed in his several statements to police — in which he said he was so unnerved by the teen's behavior that he rolled up his window to avoid a confrontation. However, he never mentioned any of that while talking to the dispatcher.

The details revealed by the source provide new insight into what Zimmerman said happened in the earliest moments of his contact with Trayvon. And they may reveal the inconsistencies alluded to by prosecutors in the case.

One of those inconsistencies: Zimmerman told police Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during their fight on the night he shot Trayvon.

The Sentinel's source confirmed that Zimmerman's statements include that allegation. But authorities do not believe that happened, the source told the Sentinel, because on one 911 call, someone can be heard screaming for help. If it were Zimmerman, as he claims, his cries were not muffled, the source said.

Zimmerman also told police, the source told the Sentinel, that while the two were on the ground, Trayvon reached for Zimmerman's gun, and the two struggled over it.

Those portions of Zimmerman's account are not corroborated by other evidence, the source said.

Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said he hasn't yet seen his client's statements to police, and it would be inappropriate for him to address specific evidence in the case.

"It's hard for me to even comment on it," O'Mara said.

Sanford Spokesman Sgt. David Morgenstern said the police department "cannot make any comments on anything related to the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case."

Reached in Birmingham, Ala., Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said Thursday that Zimmerman's claim that he was screaming in the 911 call and that his mouth was covered by the teen don't add up.

"[Trayvon's father] Tracy Martin told me that that's what [police] told him," Crump said, of Zimmerman making those statements to police.

"It's either one or the other, it can't be both," Crump said. "We have to put together this puzzle because, unfortunately, we don't have Trayvon Martin's version" of events.

A spokeswoman for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey declined to comment.

Zimmerman is charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of Trayvon in a Sanford gated community on Feb. 26. Zimmerman told police he acted in self-defense. Critics say he is guilty of racial profiling and killing an innocent teenager.

In an audio recording of Zimmerman's call to police that night, Zimmerman says Trayvon is acting suspiciously and describes him as a black teenager when prompted by the dispatcher.

He does not say that Trayvon was circling his vehicle, but that's what he told police later that night and has consistently told authorities in subsequent interviews, according to the Sentinel's source.

Here, according to that source, is the sequence that Zimmerman provided:

Zimmerman spotted Trayvon, called a nonemergency police number and began describing the teenager. While he was doing that, Trayvon came toward his vehicle and began to circle it.

Zimmerman, though, never described that to the dispatcher.

At one point, about halfway through the four-minute call, he told the dispatcher, "Now he's just staring at me. … Now he's coming towards me. He's got his hand in his waistband. … He's coming to check me out."

Trayvon then disappeared, Zimmerman later told authorities, according to the source, and while Zimmerman was still on the phone, he parked his vehicle, got out and began trying to find Trayvon on foot.

Zimmerman can be heard huffing and puffing on the call to police.

"Are you following him?" the dispatcher asks.

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"We don't need you to do that," the dispatcher says.

Zimmerman later told investigators he could not find Trayvon, so he turned and was walking back toward his SUV. A short time later, Trayvon approached him from the rear, and the two exchanged words, he told authorities.

Trayvon threw the first punch, he told police. It knocked Zimmerman to the ground, and the teenager then got on top of Zimmerman and began beating his head against a sidewalk, police have said in recounting Zimmerman's version of events.

At an April 20 bond hearing in Sanford, Dale Gilbreath, an investigator for Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, testified that Zimmerman told authorities he was frightened because Trayvon circled him while he sat in his SUV.

Gilbreath described that as one of the inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story — because getting out of the vehicle and looking for the teen is not the act of someone who is afraid.

Gilbreath did not testify that Zimmerman claimed the circling happened while he was on the phone with the dispatcher.

Gilbreath also testified briefly about Zimmerman telling police that Trayvon had his hand over Zimmerman's mouth during the fight.

Several audio experts who have analyzed the 911 tapes for the Sentinel and other news outlets have said they believe it is Trayvon's voice — not Zimmerman's — crying out for help. However, Gilbreath testified that similar identification attempts by law enforcement were fruitless.

rstutzman@tribune.com or 407-650-6394. jeweiner@tribune.com or 407-420-5151.

Copyright © 2012, Orlando Sentinel

[Edited 5/4/12 12:07pm]

The Orlando Sentinal's 'slant' on this story has been apparent for some time. I would not go so far as to call the story irresponsible, but it does show bias by insinuating that GZ is a liar.

I find absolutely no discrepancies between what GZ said (that Trayvon circled) and what he told dispatch. He clearly told the dispatcher that Trayvon was coming up to 'check him out'. That he did not describe that in detail is typical of most men I know. He may not have been all that worried, at least initially. "Checking me out" pretty much covers it. After TM disappeared into the darkness, he may have thought, WTH, who the fuck does this kid think he is? And then got out to look for him. I know that is what I would do if some 'punk' (or someone I perceived as such) appeared to be trying to intimidate me.

Further, why does it not occur to any of the 'sources' (or the author of this article, for that matter) that TM's hand covered GZ's mouth during SOME of the struggle and that, therefore, for a portion of the time GZ was able to scream? And did so? I just don't see what the big deal is here.

O'Mara will make mincemeat of this nonsense.

The prosecutors need to come up with more substantial proof of GZ's deviousness before I will believe they have a good case for manslaughter in the second degree. This just doesn't cut it. We shall see. I wasn't at all impressed with the lead investigator for the prosecution who took the stand at the bond hearing. I'll leave it at that.

Wow!

Is it bias to point out inaccuracies in GZ's account?

I guess it would uncivil to bring up the fact that you claim to have studied journalism.

Of course you find no inaccuracies. GZ makes Jesus look questionable.

If you think a person is armed are you really going to leave the safety of your vehicle to jump bad with them? How could such even be in GZ's haloed nature?

Yeah, sure GZ was screaming, although I'm sure the defense won't bring that up at trial. No record of him screaming but it was GZ not Trayvon . . . . Sure.

Yeah O.Mara will. By having his client plead guilty to manslaughter. It's not like O'Mara can do anything as GZ isn't going to take the stand.

I know. You are only impressed that GZ killed someone and has so far gotten away with it.

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Reply #164 posted 05/04/12 7:01pm

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I never see this discussed... but Trayvon was only 17 years old. Anything he did before that night was in line with what a teenager does - facebook, twitter, saying dumb teenage things blah blah - all typical for someone his age. He was not worldy, he was a kid. Full of hormones and male bravado.

Zimmerman, on the other hand, is an adult. He has an arrest record that stemmed from violent actions. He carried a gun and saw himself as a protector of his neighborhood.

Which one of these two people should KNOW BETTER when finding themselves in the situation which ended Trayvon's life? GZ could have calmly told the kid he was watching the neighborhood - introduced himself, whatever... but somehow it got hostile fast and ended in a fight that ultimately ended a 17 year old's life.

Also... it keeps crossing my mind that Zimmerman might be a coward and a weakling. He could not fight back - he had to grab his gun, shoot and kill. And it seems in whatever "violent" situation he's ever been in, the other person always started it first. Zimmerman always seems to be the victim.

I am not sure how this case will pan out yet, I am waiting for all the facts to be presented - just sharing some thoughts about it.

Of course GZ is a victim. He was forced to exit his vehicle with his gun and confront a Black male. A teenager, but he wasn't trying to bite off more than he could chew . . . . .

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Reply #165 posted 05/04/12 7:03pm

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How can anyone corroborate that Trayvon reached for GZ's gun? It was dark! The only eyewitness who saw the last minute or seconds of the physical struggle (saw TM on top, beating GZ), went upstairs to call 911, and while he was upstairs, GZ shot TM. There WERE no eyewitnesses to most of the struggle, that I know of. Nor to the moment when GZ pulled the trigger.

Many portions of what GZ says will not be corroborated by evidence. There isn't any. That's a given.

Maybe I gave the prosecutor's office waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too much credit. I'm beginning to think I did just that. Jesus.

My guess is GZ will never take the stand to challenge or corroborate them either.

If GZ takes the stand, he's going to jail for 2nd degree murder.

No you give GZ waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy too much credit.

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Reply #166 posted 05/04/12 7:07pm

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Musicslave said:

I still think it would be more damaging and reek desperation for the defense to go there with TM's postings. I mean, you're going to smear a dead, defenseless, teenager? For some reason, I don't think that will sit well with most people, jury included.

The only way O'Mara will use TM's social media accounts is if he is pushed into a corner AND if the content is legally relevant. He has already made repeated statements that he does not plan to talk smack about the victim or the family. Crump will be opening up a can of worms if he tries intro GZ's myspace statements into evidence. That could backfire.

No he won't be opening a can of worms and no it won't backfire.

Are you really going to try to convince the jury that the dead man was asking for it?

So you drag Trayvon Martin through the mud as you've done in the related threads here in the Org and that is going to move the jury to believe GZ who won't take the stand in his own defense?

If GZ never takes the stand but the defense wants to make Trayvon Martin into some mean threatening violent typical Black man, I don't think that would persuade the jury.

If GZ does not take the stand, he cannot claim self-defense. Remember that when he is convicted.

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Reply #167 posted 05/04/12 7:12pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)

Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.

I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.

I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen

Based on a question someone tweeted to him and him being present, but not involved in a fight on a YouTube video?

But you have no question that GZ had a broken nose, although there is no visual or medical evidence to support that claim.?

You believe GZ's head was repeatedly and forcefully bashed into cement (but only lacerated his scalp with no concussion) enough that he feared for his life and ONLY then shot the big scary Black man who attacked him from behind after trying to intimidate him (never mind that all GZ had to do was show Trayvon Martin he was armed while Trayvon was allegedly trying to intimidate him.)

Did they teach you that while studying journalism?

I did caution that if you didn't post BS, I couldn't call it. But you seem to be ignoring that piece of advice, so don't feign offense that your unverifiable, imaginative, speculative, statements are ripped apart.

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Reply #168 posted 05/04/12 10:21pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

jjhunsecker said:

Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)

Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.

I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.

I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen

I'll take your word for it.... If you say so confused

BTW- Love how you always bring up other crimes comitted by Blacks in this thread...just to make sure we all understand the "context" of this particular case

[Edited 5/4/12 22:27pm]

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Reply #169 posted 05/04/12 10:32pm

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NiceNBreezy said:

jjhunsecker said:

Don't you know : Trayvon was a nigger, and statistics show that they commit almost every crime in America. And once Sharpton gets involved, watch out , there will certainly be riots, bacause those hip=hop loving jig thugs just LOVE to riot at the the drop of a hat (at least that's what I learned from some of the posts here...)

Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.

I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.

I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen

Unlike Zimmy, referring to his ex-girlfriend as a "hoe" (actually, he needs to learn how to spell, since that is actually a garden tool and not the vernacular diminuation of "whore", which is probably what he intended...). Nope, that is not "gangsta"....

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Reply #170 posted 05/05/12 12:44am

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NiceNBreezy said:

Well, in Los Angeles on Tuesday a gang of mostly black thugs helped themselves to some poor salon owner's goods -- stole 50K in HAIR, and it was all caught on tape. Guess what? They were wearing hoodies!! Surprise! But of course you all never profile, ever. LOL.

I don't think of anyone of color as a 'nigger'. I use the term 'thug' when it fits (as it does to those seen on this video) whether they are white, green, OR black.

I doubt many see TM as a thug. He was influenced by hip-hop nonsense and was tryin' 2b cool. I do think he had some serious 'issues' however. I also have no illusions about him being capable of using his fists to resolve disputes. I think that is what he did on Feb. 26th.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/05/hair-store-robbery-video-50k-hair-stolen

Based on a question someone tweeted to him and him being present, but not involved in a fight on a YouTube video?

But you have no question that GZ had a broken nose, although there is no visual or medical evidence to support that claim.?

You believe GZ's head was repeatedly and forcefully bashed into cement (but only lacerated his scalp with no concussion) enough that he feared for his life and ONLY then shot the big scary Black man who attacked him from behind after trying to intimidate him (never mind that all GZ had to do was show Trayvon Martin he was armed while Trayvon was allegedly trying to intimidate him.)

Did they teach you that while studying journalism?

I did caution that if you didn't post BS, I couldn't call it. But you seem to be ignoring that piece of advice, so don't feign offense that your unverifiable, imaginative, speculative, statements are ripped apart.

Hey Supra, what did you study in college? I do find it uncivil of you to use personal information that I revealed to get your digs in. It's cheap and sucky. But you've already proved how low you will go (it's bottomless), so I can't say I am surprised.

Someone else in one of the threads posted details about the incident with the bus driver, and there's quite a lot to back that up. The only reason he wasn't arrested is because the bus driver declined to press charges. What do you THINK that tweet meant? Don't play dumb when it suits you. Do your homework and don't expect others to bring the info to you.

Deny, deny, deny. Let me spell it out for you. The kid was dealing 'plant' to his friends, and had a reputation for having the 'best plant'. 'I read a few of those tweets and I don't find them 'typical' or 'average' at all (for that age). Or maybe I am just out of it and 17-year olds routinely refer to women as having loose pussies. Three suspensions within the year. 'Average' my behind.

Journlists should go by 'just the facts' and save their opinions for blogs and forums. That Orlando Sentinel article was more of editorial than a news story, imo. All I care about are the facts, because I can draw my own conclusions. I don't need a 25 y/o news reporter to tell me what to think.

How do you know there is no medical evidence to back up GZ's claim of a broken nose? You don't. More hot air from Supra! Of all the speculators, I put you at the top of the list. You're a real pro. But your real forte is in denying the plain truth.

GZ could produce a stack of medical evidence a foot high and the likes of you (who already made up your mind the first time Sharpton said jump, you said 'how high') would still claim he had no right to self defend. You will just have to cool your heels, because no one is releasing the evidence just because Supra demands it. Doesn't work that way. Didn't they teach you that when you studied whatever?

O'Mara, a man of renown, with princples and integrity, disagrees with just about everything you assert.

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Reply #171 posted 05/05/12 12:56am

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NiceNBreezy said:

The Orlando Sentinal's 'slant' on this story has been apparent for some time. I would not go so far as to call the story irresponsible, but it does show bias by insinuating that GZ is a liar.

I find absolutely no discrepancies between what GZ said (that Trayvon circled) and what he told dispatch. He clearly told the dispatcher that Trayvon was coming up to 'check him out'. That he did not describe that in detail is typical of most men I know. He may not have been all that worried, at least initially. "Checking me out" pretty much covers it. After TM disappeared into the darkness, he may have thought, WTH, who the fuck does this kid think he is? And then got out to look for him. I know that is what I would do if some 'punk' (or someone I perceived as such) appeared to be trying to intimidate me.

Further, why does it not occur to any of the 'sources' (or the author of this article, for that matter) that TM's hand covered GZ's mouth during SOME of the struggle and that, therefore, for a portion of the time GZ was able to scream? And did so? I just don't see what the big deal is here.

O'Mara will make mincemeat of this nonsense.

The prosecutors need to come up with more substantial proof of GZ's deviousness before I will believe they have a good case for manslaughter in the second degree. This just doesn't cut it. We shall see. I wasn't at all impressed with the lead investigator for the prosecution who took the stand at the bond hearing. I'll leave it at that.

Wow!

Is it bias to point out inaccuracies in GZ's account?

I guess it would uncivil to bring up the fact that you claim to have studied journalism.

Of course you find no inaccuracies. GZ makes Jesus look questionable.

If you think a person is armed are you really going to leave the safety of your vehicle to jump bad with them? How could such even be in GZ's haloed nature?

Yeah, sure GZ was screaming, although I'm sure the defense won't bring that up at trial. No record of him screaming but it was GZ not Trayvon . . . . Sure.

Yeah O.Mara will. By having his client plead guilty to manslaughter. It's not like O'Mara can do anything as GZ isn't going to take the stand.

I know. You are only impressed that GZ killed someone and has so far gotten away with it.

Hey Sup, I didn't 'claim' anything, I said one of my college degrees is in Journalism. What's it to you? Were you smoking something when you wrote this? Seriously, I want to know. Because it's one head spinning load of BS. I can only imagine how learning that GZ raised nearly a quarter of a million dollars in a matter of weeks made you feel. lol lol

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Reply #172 posted 05/05/12 3:34am

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For all those that believe GZ's story so far, I think you better hope his story corroborates with the State's evidence. I got a feeling that your boy O'Mara may get blindsided by some of the evidence he hasn't seen yet. Why? Because I don't get the impression that GZ is as forthcoming as you might think. Think about it, he mentioned the $200K only when O'Mara was in the process of shutting everything down. Not to mention he presonally was in control of that website before being arrested. He knew very well how much he had in that account during his bond hearing. Remember his statements on the site THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN? He made it clear that he was the administrator of the site and would thank everyone for their support when he could. He called Hannity, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, and who knows who else against the advice of his previous attorney's. I believe you judge a tree by the fruit that it bears and so far GZ's fruit is one of a dishonest person.

In spite of everyone's dismay, I think the State was purposely withholding evidence during the bond hearing. That wasn't the real fight. That wasn't even a battle in the war. O'Mara did his job by trying to get as many nuggets of their evidence as possible in his impromptu mini-trial, without having all the evidence made public.

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For all those that believe GZ's story so far, I think you better hope his story corroborates with the State's evidence. I got a feeling that your boy O'Mara may get blindsided by some of the evidence he hasn't seen yet. Why? Because I don't get the impression that GZ is as forthcoming as you might think. Think about it, he mentioned the $200K only when O'Mara was in the process of shutting everything down. Not to mention he presonally was in control of that website before being arrested. He knew very well how much he had in that account during his bond hearing. Remember his statements on the site THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN? He made it clear that he was the administrator of the site and would thank everyone for their support when he could. He called Hannity, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, and who knows who else against the advice of his previous attorney's. I believe you judge a tree by the fruit that it bears and so far GZ's fruit is one of a dishonest person.

In spite of everyone's dismay, I think the State was purposely withholding evidence during the bond hearing. That wasn't the real fight. That wasn't even a battle in the war. O'Mara did his job by trying to get as many nuggets of their evidence as possible in his impromptu mini-trial, without having all the evidence made public.

Oh, like the judge had a degree from a community college. Do you think the people in the legal system did not know Zmann's website collected a considerable amout of money? Considering all the NRA members that believe in law like SYG? Zmann was in prison soon after the website was established so it's not like he was admin the site. I believe for a good week Zmann was locked up. So once again can you hold it against Zmann that people around him where not forthcoming about a paypal account??

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SUPRMAN said:

Wow!

Is it bias to point out inaccuracies in GZ's account?

I guess it would uncivil to bring up the fact that you claim to have studied journalism.

Of course you find no inaccuracies. GZ makes Jesus look questionable.

If you think a person is armed are you really going to leave the safety of your vehicle to jump bad with them? How could such even be in GZ's haloed nature?

Yeah, sure GZ was screaming, although I'm sure the defense won't bring that up at trial. No record of him screaming but it was GZ not Trayvon . . . . Sure.

Yeah O.Mara will. By having his client plead guilty to manslaughter. It's not like O'Mara can do anything as GZ isn't going to take the stand.

I know. You are only impressed that GZ killed someone and has so far gotten away with it.

Hey Sup, I didn't 'claim' anything, I said one of my college degrees is in Journalism. What's it to you? Were you smoking something when you wrote this? Seriously, I want to know. Because it's one head spinning load of BS. I can only imagine how learning that GZ raised nearly a quarter of a million dollars in a matter of weeks made you feel. lol lol

I have a full day ahead of me so it may be until tomorrow that I respond to some of your post.

You claim to have a degree in journalism. I don't see evidence that you do. Just saying.

Why would I care about how much GZ raised? I don't. What makes you think I do?

I don't doubt that there are plenty of GZ nutriders. Not my problem to worry about.

The fact that I think he's going to jail?

I'm not nearly invested in GZ as you are. Probably why you'd make such a vacaous statement.

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Reply #175 posted 05/05/12 8:02am

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NiceNBreezy said:

SUPRMAN said:

Based on a question someone tweeted to him and him being present, but not involved in a fight on a YouTube video?

But you have no question that GZ had a broken nose, although there is no visual or medical evidence to support that claim.?

You believe GZ's head was repeatedly and forcefully bashed into cement (but only lacerated his scalp with no concussion) enough that he feared for his life and ONLY then shot the big scary Black man who attacked him from behind after trying to intimidate him (never mind that all GZ had to do was show Trayvon Martin he was armed while Trayvon was allegedly trying to intimidate him.)

Did they teach you that while studying journalism?

I did caution that if you didn't post BS, I couldn't call it. But you seem to be ignoring that piece of advice, so don't feign offense that your unverifiable, imaginative, speculative, statements are ripped apart.

Hey Supra, what did you study in college? I do find it uncivil of you to use personal information that I revealed to get your digs in. It's cheap and sucky. But you've already proved how low you will go (it's bottomless), so I can't say I am surprised.

Someone else in one of the threads posted details about the incident with the bus driver, and there's quite a lot to back that up. The only reason he wasn't arrested is because the bus driver declined to press charges. What do you THINK that tweet meant? Don't play dumb when it suits you. Do your homework and don't expect others to bring the info to you.

Deny, deny, deny. Let me spell it out for you. The kid was dealing 'plant' to his friends, and had a reputation for having the 'best plant'. 'I read a few of those tweets and I don't find them 'typical' or 'average' at all (for that age). Or maybe I am just out of it and 17-year olds routinely refer to women as having loose pussies. Three suspensions within the year. 'Average' my behind.

Journlists should go by 'just the facts' and save their opinions for blogs and forums. That Orlando Sentinel article was more of editorial than a news story, imo. All I care about are the facts, because I can draw my own conclusions. I don't need a 25 y/o news reporter to tell me what to think.

How do you know there is no medical evidence to back up GZ's claim of a broken nose? You don't. More hot air from Supra! Of all the speculators, I put you at the top of the list. You're a real pro. But your real forte is in denying the plain truth.

GZ could produce a stack of medical evidence a foot high and the likes of you (who already made up your mind the first time Sharpton said jump, you said 'how high') would still claim he had no right to self defend. You will just have to cool your heels, because no one is releasing the evidence just because Supra demands it. Doesn't work that way. Didn't they teach you that when you studied whatever?

O'Mara, a man of renown, with princples and integrity, disagrees with just about everything you assert.

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I studied law.

Whatever.

I do do my homework.

If GZ COULD produce a stack of medical evidence I would believe it but he doesn't have it to produce, so he can't.

I made up my mind . . . . Show any post where I've supported Sharpton. Anyone on the Org. can accept that challenge. We all know it doesn't exist.

There you go trying to libel with a broad brush.

Oh so now he was selling marijuana? What a monster! What does that have to do with GZ killing him? Is that justification for you?! So GZ can act as judge and jury?

Right. So you know how O'Mara thinks also. I don't really care that he disagrees. He's entitled to his opinions.

I'm still guessing GZ never takes the stand. Does not try self-defense in court (he would have to take the stand to do that), and will be convicted if he doesn't plead to manslaughter first.

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Reply #176 posted 05/05/12 8:15am

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Musicslave said:

For all those that believe GZ's story so far, I think you better hope his story corroborates with the State's evidence. I got a feeling that your boy O'Mara may get blindsided by some of the evidence he hasn't seen yet. Why? Because I don't get the impression that GZ is as forthcoming as you might think. Think about it, he mentioned the $200K only when O'Mara was in the process of shutting everything down. Not to mention he presonally was in control of that website before being arrested. He knew very well how much he had in that account during his bond hearing. Remember his statements on the site THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN? He made it clear that he was the administrator of the site and would thank everyone for their support when he could. He called Hannity, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, and who knows who else against the advice of his previous attorney's. I believe you judge a tree by the fruit that it bears and so far GZ's fruit is one of a dishonest person.

In spite of everyone's dismay, I think the State was purposely withholding evidence during the bond hearing. That wasn't the real fight. That wasn't even a battle in the war. O'Mara did his job by trying to get as many nuggets of their evidence as possible in his impromptu mini-trial, without having all the evidence made public.

Oh, like the judge had a degree from a community college. Do you think the people in the legal system did not know Zmann's website collected a considerable amout of money? Considering all the NRA members that believe in law like SYG? Zmann was in prison soon after the website was established so it's not like he was admin the site. I believe for a good week Zmann was locked up. So once again can you hold it against Zmann that people around him where not forthcoming about a paypal account??

First of all GZ said he was the administrator in the very beginning. But anyway, you don't think it was a convenient coincidence that his brother (who took over the site after GZ's arrest) wasn't available during the bond hearing? Come man, you're smarter than that. That whole day was well orchestrated by O'Mara.

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Reply #177 posted 05/05/12 8:25am

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NiceNBreezy said:

SUPRMAN said:

Based on a question someone tweeted to him and him being present, but not involved in a fight on a YouTube video?

But you have no question that GZ had a broken nose, although there is no visual or medical evidence to support that claim.?

You believe GZ's head was repeatedly and forcefully bashed into cement (but only lacerated his scalp with no concussion) enough that he feared for his life and ONLY then shot the big scary Black man who attacked him from behind after trying to intimidate him (never mind that all GZ had to do was show Trayvon Martin he was armed while Trayvon was allegedly trying to intimidate him.)

Did they teach you that while studying journalism?

I did caution that if you didn't post BS, I couldn't call it. But you seem to be ignoring that piece of advice, so don't feign offense that your unverifiable, imaginative, speculative, statements are ripped apart.

Hey Supra, what did you study in college? I do find it uncivil of you to use personal information that I revealed to get your digs in. It's cheap and sucky. But you've already proved how low you will go (it's bottomless), so I can't say I am surprised.

Someone else in one of the threads posted details about the incident with the bus driver, and there's quite a lot to back that up. The only reason he wasn't arrested is because the bus driver declined to press charges. What do you THINK that tweet meant? Don't play dumb when it suits you. Do your homework and don't expect others to bring the info to you.

Deny, deny, deny. Let me spell it out for you. The kid was dealing 'plant' to his friends, and had a reputation for having the 'best plant'. 'I read a few of those tweets and I don't find them 'typical' or 'average' at all (for that age). Or maybe I am just out of it and 17-year olds routinely refer to women as having loose pussies. Three suspensions within the year. 'Average' my behind.

Journlists should go by 'just the facts' and save their opinions for blogs and forums. That Orlando Sentinel article was more of editorial than a news story, imo. All I care about are the facts, because I can draw my own conclusions. I don't need a 25 y/o news reporter to tell me what to think.

How do you know there is no medical evidence to back up GZ's claim of a broken nose? You don't. More hot air from Supra! Of all the speculators, I put you at the top of the list. You're a real pro. But your real forte is in denying the plain truth.

GZ could produce a stack of medical evidence a foot high and the likes of you (who already made up your mind the first time Sharpton said jump, you said 'how high') would still claim he had no right to self defend. You will just have to cool your heels, because no one is releasing the evidence just because Supra demands it. Doesn't work that way. Didn't they teach you that when you studied whatever?

O'Mara, a man of renown, with princples and integrity, disagrees with just about everything you assert.

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What really happened that night was that GZ saw Trayvon Martin and wanted him.

He left his truck to proposition him and ask Trayvon if he could suck Trayvon's big black dick.

When he grabbed Trayvon's dick through his sweats the fight ensued.

Don't ask me to back it up. The MSM just doesn't want to report that angle to the story.

It should be evident from the evidence that that is what happened. wink lol

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Reply #178 posted 05/05/12 1:37pm

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I never see this discussed... but Trayvon was only 17 years old. Anything he did before that night was in line with what a teenager does - facebook, twitter, saying dumb teenage things blah blah - all typical for someone his age. He was not worldy, he was a kid. Full of hormones and male bravado.

Zimmerman, on the other hand, is an adult. He has an arrest record that stemmed from violent actions. He carried a gun and saw himself as a protector of his neighborhood.

Which one of these two people should KNOW BETTER when finding themselves in the situation which ended Trayvon's life? GZ could have calmly told the kid he was watching the neighborhood - introduced himself, whatever... but somehow it got hostile fast and ended in a fight that ultimately ended a 17 year old's life.

Also... it keeps crossing my mind that Zimmerman might be a coward and a weakling. He could not fight back - he had to grab his gun, shoot and kill. And it seems in whatever "violent" situation he's ever been in, the other person always started it first. Zimmerman always seems to be the victim.

I am not sure how this case will pan out yet, I am waiting for all the facts to be presented - just sharing some thoughts about it.

It's been reported that GZ asked a question, and that TM's response was to deck him with single punch to the face (which broke his nose). That's allegedly how it got hostile fast. Not much time for GZ to engage in 'adult' discussion or 'adult' judgment. Even if he said 'what are you doing here', TM's reaction was over the top. Five days prior, he had 'swung' on a bus driver. This was a kid who had some major issues with problem resolution. He used his fists. I do not think it matters whether GZ was a weakling. It's not relevant. What is relevant, at least legally, is that he feared for his life. So he says.

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Reply #179 posted 05/05/12 1:43pm

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Musicslave said:

For all those that believe GZ's story so far, I think you better hope his story corroborates with the State's evidence. I got a feeling that your boy O'Mara may get blindsided by some of the evidence he hasn't seen yet. Why? Because I don't get the impression that GZ is as forthcoming as you might think. Think about it, he mentioned the $200K only when O'Mara was in the process of shutting everything down. Not to mention he presonally was in control of that website before being arrested. He knew very well how much he had in that account during his bond hearing. Remember his statements on the site THEREALGEORGEZIMMERMAN? He made it clear that he was the administrator of the site and would thank everyone for their support when he could. He called Hannity, Special Prosecutor Angela Corey, and who knows who else against the advice of his previous attorney's. I believe you judge a tree by the fruit that it bears and so far GZ's fruit is one of a dishonest person.

In spite of everyone's dismay, I think the State was purposely withholding evidence during the bond hearing. That wasn't the real fight. That wasn't even a battle in the war. O'Mara did his job by trying to get as many nuggets of their evidence as possible in his impromptu mini-trial, without having all the evidence made public.

I don't know the timeline of when the funds made it in to his website and when Mara knew what he had and when. It's kind of hard for me to gauge that given the way we're getting info (from a million 'sources'). If he's devious, then that should become clear over time. I just don't know. I am open to that possibility.

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